Talk:Xena: Warrior Princess in popular culture

Self-referentiality
Surely "Xena Warrior Princess in popular culture" is just a longer synonym for "Xena Warrior Princess"? What next - "comics in popular culture"? "pop music in popular culture"? --Paularblaster (talk) 22:01, 4 March 2008 (UTC)
 * I see the problem: it should be called Xena: Warrior Princess in Cultural Studies (something rather different from "popular culture"). --Paularblaster (talk) 22:03, 4 March 2008 (UTC)


 * In popular culture is the standard name. The thing should be deleted, IMHO, as the only few paragraphs of relevance could easily fit into the main series article, but it passed AfD, so it stays as is. AnmaFinotera (talk) 22:08, 4 March 2008 (UTC)


 * "(subject) in popular culture" can be thought of as shorthand for "(subject)'s influence on popular culture".--Father Goose (talk) 00:55, 5 March 2008 (UTC)

Micro-references
I read through the extremely long list of references to individual passing moments in shows and movies. Not a single one of them sounds important enough to mention, and there are really a lot of them; this is basically a list of every time the word "Xena" was mentioned. Having some in a list may make sense but we need some selectivity here... unfortunately, my normal standard (i.e. toss out passing references or one-liners, keep mentions that are at least important to the plot of the work) seems to exclude every mention we have here. So unless we can find another standard, I think not a single one of these needs to be mentioned and the entire list should be removed. Mango juice talk 14:22, 29 May 2008 (UTC)


 * When it really comes down to it, I agree. In this case the prose sections really is extremely high quality, and the rest of the minor references do not really improve the coverage of the article subject. -- Nick Penguin ( contribs ) 01:27, 4 June 2008 (UTC)

FanFics
I don't want to just change it without asking if anybody else sees a problem with it. But the term "fanfics" seems to be wrong. It's like saying "plastics". It's a quantity plural thing. You'd only use the s for pluralizing when you're talking about multiple types of the item rather than just multiple instances of it.


 * Umm, "FanFic" is just a portmanteau/contraction of the term/phrase "Fan Fiction". Seeing as how it was construction, I see no problem with the word "Fanfics" in reference to multiple "fan fictions".
 * I do however have a problem with "AltFic" and would like to call the legitimacy of the sources in general used into question. Altfic is contraction for "Alternate Fiction" or non-cannon fictions created by fans (ie, fictions that take liberties on the story while retaining some semblance of the original work- characters, setting, events). I don't think that the definition in the article has that right.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.153.29.23 (talk) 11:17, 19 April 2010 (UTC)

Also the sentence, "Followers of Xena (Fandom) has written numerous fanfictions on the series." doesn't really make sense. "Fandom" and "Followers of Xena" are not synonymous. If the fandom word is important, then it should be made clear that Xenites (fans of Xena) are part of the larger fandom community. Though I don't know how you'd word that. And shouldn't it be "have" instead of "has"? Fandom "has", but Followers of Xena "have"?

I don't want to step on anyone's toes by making changes to the article if other people don't think there's anything wrong with it. 71.227.241.43 (talk) 09:32, 26 July 2008 (UTC)


 * Go ahead, don't be shy. The article still needs plenty of work, including the changes you suggested.  Dive right in.--Father Goose (talk) 21:33, 26 July 2008 (UTC)

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 * Taken care of. Mango juice talk 16:38, 7 November 2008 (UTC)

Water Transfer?
What exactly is the "mouth-to-mouth Water Transfer filmed to look like a full kiss" supposed to be? Is it literally the transfering of water into Xena (as in they would've used a cup but there wasn't one handy at the time) or is it something else completely I'm missing, like a movie-making term... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.153.29.23 (talk) 11:26, 19 April 2010 (UTC)
 * No, the literal sense is meant. Florian Blaschke (talk) 01:44, 29 May 2010 (UTC)

Overlaps
I am not an expert on this subject. I wound up here researching Lucy Lawless. I do want to say that the three sub-sections of "Fandon and Unofficial Sequences" (the second major section) have a lot of overlap. For example:
 * "popularized the term altfic" in FanFic vs. "also popularized the term Altfic" in Influence
 * "Jokes, innuendo, and other subtle evidence" in Influence vs. "humorous lesbian innuendo" in Shipping
 * "subtext" (all three sections)

Even when the three sub-sections don't use the same words, they're basically re-telling the same material under different headings, possibly with different sources and from a slightly different point of view.

Couldn't someone more knowledgeable than I streamline all of this? Or turn it into an explicit "all significant viewpoints" perspective without the redundancy; see WP:UNDUE.

And, by the way, what "Unofficial Sequences" (in the section heading)?

--RoyGoldsmith (talk) 21:40, 24 January 2011 (UTC)

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