Talk:Xenophon of Robeika

Dates
evrik, the ru Wikipedia article says X lived in the 14th-15th centuries per Bobrov or 12th-13th centuries per the later life, while the en Wikipedia article says he lived in the 12th-13th centuries or 200 year earlier per his 18th century biographers, which is correct? TSventon (talk) 00:14, 29 May 2024 (UTC)
 * This source says he died on June 28, 1262. That would indicate he lived in the 12th-13th centuries. I saw the discrepancy in the ru site. Don't know what to make of it. --evrik (talk) 02:24, 29 May 2024 (UTC)
 * evrik, I think that the ru Wikipedia dates are correct, the Wikisource Russian Biographical Dictionary entry here says he died on June 26, 1262 and I looked at a few pages of Bobrov's paper (reference 3) at Academia.edu using Google translate and he seemed to be talking about the 15th century. The Orthodox Church in America source suggests that they used an older source rather than Bobrov. I think you should ask a Russian speaker to check, possibly the author of the ru Wikipedia article. You could offer them a joint DYK credit. TSventon (talk) 08:57, 29 May 2024 (UTC)
 * FWIW, are we concerned about the month and day he died, or the century? These three sources say 1262 is the year of his death:
 * РБС/ВТ/Ксенофонт (преподобный Робейский)
 * https://www.oca.org/saints/lives/2014/01/26/100319-saint-xenophon-of-robeika
 * https://web-archive-org.translate.goog/web/20140430035042/http://www.sedmitza.ru/lib/text/437399/?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en

--evrik (talk) 15:31, 29 May 2024 (UTC)


 * "Russian Biographical Dictionary" is outdated source. The information placed there reflects the views as of the end of the XIX century. ~ Чръный человек (talk) 16:18, 29 May 2024 (UTC)

Also, were you able to check the source for the hook Ankudinov, I. Yu. (2016)? TSventon (talk) 14:11, 29 May 2024 (UTC)
 * https://www.academia.edu/26688826/%D0%90%D0%BD%D0%BA%D1%83%D0%B4%D0%B8%D0%BD%D0%BE%D0%B2_%D0%98_%D0%AE_%D0%9A%D1%81%D0%B5%D0%BD%D0%BE%D1%84%D0%BE%D0%BD%D1%82%D0%BE%D0%B2_%D0%A0%D0%BE%D0%B1%D0%B5%D0%B9%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%B9_%D0%9D%D0%B8%D0%BA%D0%BE%D0%BB%D0%B0%D0%B5%D0%B2%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%B9_%D0%BC%D0%BE%D0%BD%D0%B0%D1%81%D1%82%D1%8B%D1%80%D1%8C_%D0%9D%D0%BE%D0%B2%D0%B3%D0%BE%D1%80%D0%BE%D0%B4%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%B9_%D0%B0%D1%80%D1%85%D0%B8%D0%B2%D0%BD%D1%8B%D0%B9_%D0%B2%D0%B5%D1%81%D1%82%D0%BD%D0%B8%D0%BA_%D0%92%D1%8B%D0%BF_13_%D0%92%D0%B5%D0%BB%D0%B8%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%B9_%D0%9D%D0%BE%D0%B2%D0%B3%D0%BE%D1%80%D0%BE%D0%B4_2016_%D1%81_83_141


 * Yes, but not recently. --evrik (talk) 15:31, 29 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Do you have any comments? --evrik (talk) 15:39, 29 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Evrik, I understand that the recent scholarship used as sources for the article, i.e. Ankudinov and Bobrov. prefers a 14th and 15th century date for X, rather than a 12th and 13th century date and the article does not maker that clear. I am not disputing the exact traditional dates. I have now queried the hook on the nomination page. TSventon (talk) 16:04, 29 May 2024 (UTC)


 * The reasons for such discrepancies are described in the Orthodox Encyclopedia: "Judging by the linguistic features, the extant version of the Life was compiled quite late: not earlier than the XVIII century, therefore its information is not reliable". Correct dates of his life is XIV - XV centuries. The exact date is unknown since his authentic life has not been preserved. (See ) ~ Чръный человек (talk) 16:13, 29 May 2024 (UTC)
 * I am behind a firewall that limits my access to russian domains. Could you make the needed fixes to the English article? I'd be glad to share DYK credit. Thank you. --evrik (talk) 16:58, 29 May 2024 (UTC)