Talk:Ysabel

this is hands down the fucking shittiest book I have ever read

First urban fantasy?!
I would think that the Fionavar Tapestry, about then-contemporary college kids drawn into a fantasy realm, would rate as "urban fantasy."
 * The Fionavar Tapestry could hardly count as urban fantasy. It uses some modern-era characters, yes, but they spend all but a couple chapters (out of three books) in a traditional fantasy world. Urban fantasy is distinguished by setting, not characters. Think of Donaldson's "Thomas Covenant" books, which transport a similarly contemporary figure into a fantasy land, or Zelazny's "Chronicles of Amber" which spend a little time on Earth but soon skip out to Amber and the shadow worlds. Nerrin 02:05, 16 July 2007 (UTC)

I agree, The Fionavar Tapestry is clearly an example of crossover fantasy...urban fantasy, as you say, imposes fantasy elements on an urban "real world" setting, rather than the other way around (ie, characters from the "real world" travel to a fantasy setting). Cadence3 (talk) 22:10, 1 July 2008 (UTC)

No more stub
Working on expanding this... Cadence3 (talk) 05:57, 3 July 2008 (UTC)

"Fantasied Europe milieu"
As written, the third sentence of the article describes all the books Mr Kay wrote between the Fionavar books and Ysabel as taking place in the same world, but they didn't. Tigana, A Song for Arbonne and the Jad books all are set in milieux reminiscent of mediaeval Europe, but they are three different milieux. I am going to pluralise "milieu" in the sentence to reflect that. Binabik80 (talk) 18:02, 23 November 2010 (UTC)

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