Talk:Yu Darvish


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Darvish Yu's Popularity
The article referred regarding Yu's popularity is overstated. Darvish's popularity may have been very high during 2004, the year he pitched in the National High School Baseball Championship and when the article was written, but it has since waned in Japan. Darvish has joined the ranks of Japanese players, and is nowhere near as popular as iconic stars such as Daisuke Matsuzaka or Ichiro Suzuki. Darvish's popularity was also driven by the fact that he was a very good pitcher.

Yu's mixed heritage popularity is also superseded by other mixed race celebrities in Japan, including, but not limited to, Becky (Japanese-British), Rosa Kato (Japanese-Italian), Anna Tsuchiya (Japanese-Russian), Kaela Kimura (Japanese-British) and Takeshi Kaneshiro (Japanese-Taiwanese). This is further highlighted by the fact that Darvish has no advertising deals that often reflect a celebrity's popularity, unlike the previous 5 celebrities. Darvish could be considered Japanese baseball's biggest mixed race star, but it can be easily argued that he is not THE biggest mixed race star in Japan. Yet, even this is questionable due to the fact Darvish is a micron of a star compared to Sadaharu Oh, who is half-Taiwanese. --IceX 11:23, 8 August 2006 (UTC)


 * The Taiwanese, Chinese, Korean and Japanese are all classified as Oriental people and the same race.


 * Obviously I know the huge differences in culture, history, language and physical appearance but they are considered to be and are classified as the same race.


 * This automatically removes Takeshi Kaneshiro and Sadaharu Oh from your debate.


 * He won the most valuable player award of the Konami Cup Asia Series 2006 aswell as pitching the clinching game that enabled Japan to win the series. --Taz Manchester


 * There's very little difference to the Japanese between multi-racial and multi-cultural. As a result, a "half is a half", and most domestic articles regard multi-ethnic Asians and multi-racial Asians in the same boat, though it has decreased over the last few years.


 * Also, I'm not happy with the content of the article. There's an obvious abuse of using citations as a way of legitimizing editorial comment as "fact", such as Darvish being Japan's biggest rising star (the spot light is completely on Rakuten's Masahiro Tanaka this year, along with Waseda's Yuki Saito). --IceX 05:37, 21 March 2007 (UTC)

Well, he's on the cover of espn.com today, so he's about to get a heck of a lot popular I would think. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 12.15.7.70 (talk) 17:34, 13 May 2008

He is a very popular kid in Iran also. This kid is amazing it would be a horiblle if he doesn't consider the MLB. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.5.235.37 (talk) 00:04, 25 March 2009

Religion
what's his religion?.... ~davi 10:47, 17 March 2007 (UTC)


 * I don't think he is a muslim. Not all Iranians are muslims. He plays for a team who's owners sell ham. The Nippon Ham company. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 210.79.170.66 (talk) 20:14, 23 March 2008
 * So? 98.210.68.80 (talk) 04:51, 25 March 2008 (UTC)Has
 * Hey 98.210.68.80 What do you mean so? I say this because on the categories section of the article it says he is a Japanese Muslim, however he could be a Zoroastrian. You never know. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 210.79.170.66 (talk) 19:37, 25 April 2008

Why is there a link to "Japanese Muslims" on his page? How do you know he is a muslim? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 210.79.170.66 (talk) 18:33, 17 May 2008

Early life
It is incorrect to refer to the official language of Iran - Persian - as Farsi when writing in English. "Farsi" (an Arabic adaptation of the word "Parsi"), is the indigenous name of the Persian language. Just as the German speaking people refer to their language as 'Deutsch', the Greek 'Ellinika' and the Spanish 'Espanol', the Persians use 'Farsi' or 'Parsi' to identify their native form of verbal communication. Recognising this, it has been Wikipedia's policy (based on Wiki:Correct; Wiki:Verifiability; Wiki:Naming conventions (languages); Wiki:Official names) to consistently use the term Persian (language) instead of Farsi.

Therefore, I will change the following sentence:

"Darvish knows some words in Farsi but does not speak it."

To:

"Darvish knows some words in Persian but does not speak it."

Thanks NuturalObserver (talk) 03:21, 19 December 2016 (UTC)

Relevance of "Further reading" section
I chose to delete the section that was titled "Further reading" for the following reasons: While I'm all for having such a section as part of the article when it lists (print) sources that are relevant to the subject matter, the only source it listed was (as far as I could tell, please correct me if I'm wrong) a photo album of celebrities and athletes, many of them posing nude. Don't get me wrong, there's nothing wrong with listing such a book in and of itself, but frankly I doubt Making of Superstars qualifies as either "reading" or a "source relevant to the subject matter". Moreover, while it might have some value if it was quite a popular or well-known book, this seems questionable, too. A quick Google search on "Making of Superstars" and "Darvish" (or even "Making of Superstars", "Kee", and "Leslie") returns only this Wikipedia page itself and some versions of the same article in other languages (along with some mirror pages on other sites). I have no doubt the book exists, but if the only mention you can find of it anywhere is on this page, does it merit being listed? It's neither relevant, informative (that is, provides factual information), nor well-known/prominent/popular enough to warrant inclusion. If anyone differs and thinks it should be stuck back in, please let me know your thoughts on this matter. Tech77jp (talk) 11:13, 4 April 2009 (UTC)

His father
The article says that his father played for the Iranian national football team. As far as I know and based on the records no one with his fathers name or various spellings of it ever played for the national team. This needs to be checked.Nokhodi (talk) 05:57, 29 June 2010 (UTC)

Overextension of source...
The source cited for Darvish's name in "Persian" (which should really read "Farsi", as that seems to be the convention here on WP) is sourced to an ESPN article that does not include that information (It has his legal surname in English, which is Darvishsefad). MSJapan (talk) 17:40, 20 December 2011 (UTC)
 * Since there's been some back-and-forth over the full name, none of it well sourced, I've removed it altogether. Orange Suede Sofa  (talk) 17:41, 23 May 2012 (UTC)

Spring Training
Yu has been pitching for a little while during Spring Training and from what I have been hearing he is doing pretty astonishing. Should this be added or wait until later when things are set further into motion? — Preceding unsigned comment added by NovemberEnd (talk • contribs) 20:35, 29 February 2012 (UTC)

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Semi-protected edit request on 31 July 2017
Player was traded to the Los Angeles Dodgers today. 204.239.11.6 (talk) 21:05, 31 July 2017 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Trade is awaiting confirmation by both MLB and teams involved. jd22292 (Jalen D. Folf) (talk) 21:14, 31 July 2017 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 31 July 2017
The deal is official now 67.86.57.10 (talk) 21:19, 31 July 2017 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: per above. According to WP:MLB, trades aren't official pending review by the league and confirmation by the teams involved. Please do not jump the gun. jd22292 (Jalen D. Folf) (talk) 21:26, 31 July 2017 (UTC)

First paragraph needs smoothing
The opening paragraph begins with Mr. Darvish's current role with the L.A. Dodgers, followed by mention of his 2008 appearance in the Olympics as a member of the Japan national team, moves forward to his 2009 World Classic pitching as a member of the Japan national team, and closes with his time on the Rangers, 2012-2017. There is a better way to tell this opening story. I tried but failed to find it. Can someone help? Rainbow-five (talk) 01:23, 28 October 2017 (UTC)
 * How's this? – Muboshgu (talk) 02:00, 28 October 2017 (UTC)

Right-handed
He is right-handed, but one photo in the article has him as a left-handed pitcher. --2604:2000:E010:1100:4152:36B5:22D4:7880 (talk) 07:21, 23 August 2020 (UTC)

Orphaned references in Yu Darvish
I check pages listed in Category:Pages with incorrect ref formatting to try to fix reference errors. One of the things I do is look for content for orphaned references in wikilinked articles. I have found content for some of Yu Darvish's orphans, the problem is that I found more than one version. I can't determine which (if any) is correct for this article, so I am asking for a sentient editor to look it over and copy the correct ref content into this article.

Reference named "auto1": From Brad Wieck:  From Zach Davies:  From Japan:  From Steve Carlton:  From Hiragana: Walter & Walter 1998. From Memorial Day:  

I apologize if any of the above are effectively identical; I am just a simple computer program, so I can't determine whether minor differences are significant or not. AnomieBOT ⚡ 17:24, 5 October 2020 (UTC)

Screwball - Stressful?
This Darvish article states: ''Prior to the 2006 season Darvish's "go-to" pitch was a screwball, and he tends to rely more on his off-speed pitches than his fastball. After injuring his shoulder in an exhibition game start against the 2006 World Baseball Classic Japanese national team in February 2006, because of the strain the screwball had gradually been putting on his shoulder, he took the pitch out of his in-game repertoire and worked to develop his splitter until it became an equally effective pitch that would replace the screwball.''

However, in https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Screwball, it states: "Contrary to popular belief, the screwball is not particularly stressful on a pitcher's arm.[14] The pronation of the forearm allows for the protection of the ulnar collateral ligament, which is replaced during Tommy John surgery.[citation needed]"  ....That reference [14] directs to https://www.nytimes.com/2014/07/13/magazine/the-mystery-of-the-vanishing-screwball.html.

Would it be best to interpret this through the eye of the beholder? In other words, Darvish is the only person who can judge his condition or the source of strain. If Darvish stated that the screwball indeed induced HIS shoulder pain, then I would suggest inserting a reference where he reports this (rather than outside assumption by others). Gprobins (talk) 04:39, 3 November 2020 (UTC)

Traded to Padres
Darvish was traded to Padres pending medical eval as of 12/28/20 98.191.253.15 (talk) 20:17, 29 December 2020 (UTC)

Yu Darvish himself posted he got traded via his Twitter. Why is it not on here yet? Eliastroadmire (talk) 23:03, 29 December 2020 (UTC)
 * , because he is a WP:PRIMARY source and the secondary sources do not yet say this reported trade has been completed. It took Blake Snell a few days. Be patient. – Muboshgu (talk) 23:56, 29 December 2020 (UTC)