Talk:ZE:A

Table
Please explain your objections to a table format for the list of members. By all means add position to the table but do not revert to a silly list format with "name", "date of birth and age", etc. vainly repeated. &mdash; RHaworth 04:55, 25 January 2010 (UTC)

I have added position for three of them. Do you think you can manage the rest? &mdash; RHaworth 05:06, 25 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Pretty much the consensus for a lot of K-Pop related articles is the use of the 'silly list format', which is why some editors are persistent to enforce that MOS. Also, pages such as Beast, 2PM/2AM & MBLAQ follow the list format. I personally feel there is no point in having a members section since the members are already listed in the infobox, and ages/DOBs are very trivial. + Thermo  Nuclear  ☢ 17:38, 25 January 2010 (UTC)

Members
2602:30A:C0C8:AD90:912D:2DEE:7F61:E37F (talk) 04:10, 30 November 2013 (UTC)


 * . Reason: Please supply WP:RELIABLESOURCES for proper WP:QUALITYCONTROL. Thank you. Δρ.Κ. λόγοςπράξις  04:43, 30 November 2013 (UTC)

not updated.
the article is not properly updated and their discography and filmography should be in tabular form like for other kpop bands. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2002:75C6:10C0:0:0:0:75C6:10C0 (talk) 05:25, 7 February 2014 (UTC)

Remove mentions of disbandment
I would like to ask that all mentions of disbandment are removed. This is because their company, Star Empire, has not released any official statements about the group being disbanded. As there is no official source, the article is currently spreading false information. The source I have seen been cited as saying the group has disbanded is this link: http://tenasia.hankyung.com/archives/1132161. That link is only about an ambiguous post on Instagram by Junyoung. The closest thing to disbandment mentioned in that post is this: Please do look out for and support our members, including me, in our new beginning in the future and also individual schedules. New beginning does sound like something could've happened, but it is not solid evidence and therefore should be removed until the agency itself gives an official statement. (Nobody has responded in a few days, that is why I am opening this up again) Moonjunhui (talk) 21:23, 2 March 2017 (UTC)
 * I will not make changes to a protected article without agreement from other editors. Please wait for others to comment or reactivate in a few days if no one responds &mdash; Martin (MSGJ · talk) 09:13, 3 March 2017 (UTC)

Siwan had a interview recently, and he confirmed that the group is not disbanded. Therefore, I really think this needs to be removed. Moonjunhui (talk) 20:34, 23 March 2017 (UTC)


 * Comment: WikiProject_Korea/Reliable_sources considers Hankyung a reliable source. This may be somewhat WP:RECENT but given Korean agencies don't always respond promptly to negative news, this isn't necessarily out of line. If other sources (preferably Korean news) report this as well, I expect this is noteworthy enough to keep. Again, Wikipedia isn't here for agency advertisement or promotion - it isn't to "protect" anyone's image from "fake news" Evaders99 (talk) 05:33, 4 March 2017 (UTC)


 * I do get that it is considered as a reliable source, however the source isn't saying anything about official disbandment. The source is talking about a post made on Instagram that could be interpreted in a way of disbandment. As it is just assuming something based on words that have been said many times before, we should not jump to conclusions about it. Agencies do announce disbandments, so we should wait until it has been said by them as other sources may be uninformed as this is about a decisions that would happen behind closed doors in the company. Wikipedia also isn't here for speculations, just confirmed facts. Therefore, I suggest we remove this for now, and if there is an official annoucement about the group disbanding, only then add it back in. Moonjunhui (talk) 22:37, 4 March 2017 (UTC)


 * I've found other reliable sources online, which are: and . I do not understand Korean, hence, I would be grateful if anyone could translate it to see whether the sites mentioned anything about disbandment. If the above-mentioned had stated that the group has officially disbanded, it should already be confirmed as there are more than one reliable source backing it up. Administrators can proceed to include the sources in as well, to make it more convincing with several sources. But like I said, I can't read Korean, so these sources may or may not be giving a clear stand of disbandment. Requiem II (talk) 00:32, 5 March 2017 (UTC)


 * Those sources are only about Star Empire's official statement saying that even though ZE:A's contracts have expired, they still are discussing whether or not to resign with the agency and that until it is decided, Star Empire will still take care of their activities. They are not about an offical disbandment. Moonjunhui (talk) 05:18, 5 March 2017 (UTC)


 * It is not uncommon for agencies to avoid confirming group disbandment or the departure of members, particularly among the smaller companies (beating around the bush instead of being direct is simply the cultural attitude here in Korea). TVreport: "ZE:A, disbandment process... " The TVreport reference provided by more specifically states its a de facto disbandment. In the Nate source, it states that Star Empire will oversee their individual activities for the time being, and that's likely because the active members are contractually bound to those respective TV shows, dramas, etc, which are not related to their expired contract with the record company. There is no source that confirms the group is still together, but several that state they aren't.  ℯ  xplicit  03:41, 9 March 2017 (UTC)


 * How does it state that? As I read it, nothing seems to say that. None of these are stating that they aren't together, they are speculating that there is a chance that the group will disband. As the group is still discussing contract renewals, we can not assume anything until a official statement is released. It is also quite rude to fans of the group too, as nothing other than speculation is being used to say this on an article which many people will read. As nothing officially states they aren't together, then we should not say anything as it is not officially confirmed. Remember, we aren't here to put what could possibly happen in the article, but what could happen. Moonjunhui (talk) 23:07, 11 March 2017 (UTC)


 * Where are these sources published in February that claim the group is still negotiating the contracts? Especially in light of: Kwang-hee signing with Bonboo Entertainment, and Si-wan has reportedly in talks with Plum Entertainment . This doesn't sound like there's much to do with Star Empire at this point. Additionally, an article posted this morning by Osen discusses Joon-young, Si-wan, and Kwang-hee, where they're all referred to as former ZE:A members. This assumption that noted reliable sources are "speculating", when Wikipedia's standards require them to have a history of fact checking to be deemed reliable, is really bizarre. You're pushing to wait for a statement from Star Empire to confirm the disbandment, but it is more than likely that one will never be produced. ℯ  xplicit  04:43, 13 March 2017 (UTC)


 * Just because Kwanghee isn't under Star Empire anymore doesn't mean they have disbanded. Siwan's is still a rumour- and if it is true, it's the same with Kwanghee's case. Many groups have had members in different companies but still continue to work as a group means that those statements do not mean anything. It puts them at a greater risk of disbandment, but those do not mean anything and we can not base anything off of those. I doubt those reports on today's article knew that nothing was officially out- at this point it has became like a rippling effect, people keep saying false things about their disbandment, and people keep believing in it. I was only referring the source listed for the disbandment- it is about Junyoung's instagram post that didn't confirm anything, but used words that could've been interpreted as a revealing of disbandment, key word "interpreted". It really isn't likely that Star Empire will not confirm a disbandment if it does happen, disbandments are something that no company does not report about. Star Empire didn't keep quiet when Kwanghee signed into another agency, why would they keep quiet if the group disbands? Star Empire in the past has announced their artists disbandments too. There is no reason to assume that "one will never be produced". Moonjunhui (talk) 05:31, 14 March 2017 (UTC)

where does this leave us? It doesn't look like it is accurate to say unequivocally "On February 9, 2017, it was announced that ZE:A disbanded." Is there a more suitable phrasing that can be used? &mdash; Martin (MSGJ · talk) 09:19, 10 March 2017 (UTC)
 * I think if you really must keep it in, the only thing those sources are doing is speculating. Looking at the sources, the only thing that would really work is more amongst the lines of "It is speculated that ZE:A may disband." But, I do find it weird to put speculations into an article, but that is of course your choice on what to do there. Moonjunhui (talk) 23:08, 11 March 2017 (UTC)
 * I'd take several reliable sources' word regarding the matter. ℯ  xplicit  04:43, 13 March 2017 (UTC)
 * I tend to agree with Moonjunhui. Although there is not a consensus yet, it is Wikipedia's usual practice to err on the side of caution and remove disputed facts until a source can be provided. We should not push rumours and speculation. Anyway as I have now voiced an opinion I will leave this request for another administrator to review. &mdash; Martin (MSGJ · talk) 08:46, 13 March 2017 (UTC)
 * I have requested some input on this issue at WP:RSN &mdash; Martin (MSGJ · talk) 10:19, 27 March 2017 (UTC)

I feel ZE:A's disbandment is a little similar to that of Spica, in the aspect that the company, or in this case trusted sources announce the end of the group, while the members say otherwise. It seems Siwan and Kwanghee have already signed with other companies, but that does not necessarily mean that they have left or disbanded the group. The members have stated themselves that they feel this is not the end. However it does seem as though the members will be focusing on solo careers and individual activities for the time being. I think that in the context given, this can be regarded as a hiatus. Abdotorg (talk) 12:39, 28 March 2017 (UTC)
 * Also, I am constantly being referred to articles from WP:KO/RS,so I point you towards some more trusted English languages news portals; . Abdotorg (talk) 12:48, 28 March 2017 (UTC)


 * I agree with you, I think that if we really need things like this in there, it is definitely more of a hiatus situation then one for a disbandment. Moonjunhui (talk) 13:07, 29 March 2017 (UTC)


 * I note the protection of this article will expire in a couple of days so I suggest making a change as discussed above after this time. Further edit warring will be dealt with appropriately. I have disabled the request. &mdash; Martin (MSGJ · talk) 08:10, 31 March 2017 (UTC)