Template:Did you know nominations/2015 Baltimore protests


 * The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as |this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: promoted by Victuallers (talk) 16:45, 24 July 2015 (UTC)

2015 Baltimore protests

 * (previously nominated "Death of Freddy Gray")


 * ... that within an hour of being taken into police custody, Freddie Gray lapsed into a coma?
 * ALT2:... that blood tests showed that Freddie Gray and his sisters were affected by lead poisoning?
 * ALT1:... that Freddie Gray had a twin sister, Fredericka?


 * Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Aroma of Tacoma I'll re-use someone else's QPQ elsewhere because this nomination is not yet rejected. George Ho (talk) 04:08, 2 May 2015 (UTC) You know what? Let's use this for the other article. In the meantime, I'll use my own QPQ elsewhere. --George Ho (talk) 04:32, 2 May 2015 (UTC)

Expanded by Sebwite (talk), RightCowLeftCoast (talk), Patapsco913 (talk), and Illegitimate Barrister (talk). Nominated by George Ho (talk) at 06:01, 29 April 2015 (UTC).


 * Symbol question.svg Not sure this is a great idea for DYK. ALT2 is definitely a poor choice—it's completely irrelevant to Gray's death, but seems to imply he was recently poisoned or that it was involved in his death. More generally, with this being such a current event, putting it in DYK will probably just come across as political. GorillaWarfare (talk) 02:15, 28 April 2015 (UTC)


 * Symbol delete vote.svg - Agree that this is not in good taste for a DYK, and is way too soon considering it's a breaking news story. -- Fuzheado &#124; Talk 02:21, 28 April 2015 (UTC)


 * Symbol delete vote.svg Given the stability issues of this article, plus the fact that the hooks are insensitive to Gray's family, I suggest withdrawal. Epic Genius (talk) 02:32, 28 April 2015 (UTC) (edited 02:57, 28 April 2015 (UTC))


 * Symbol delete vote.svg Bad timing to have this, we should think of the family. - Knowledgekid87 (talk) 02:52, 28 April 2015 (UTC)


 * Symbol delete vote.svg Too sensitive a topic for DYK, already covered under In the News. ViperSnake151   Talk  05:38, 28 April 2015 (UTC)
 * @ViperSnake151: Not really. Many opposed featuring it on Main Page's ITN, so it's not featured at this time. George Ho (talk) 08:38, 28 April 2015 (UTC)


 * Symbol delete vote.svg I agree this DYK is not now appropriate for reasons cited above. When asked me about nominating it, the protests had just begun on April 25, and the article was more stable. I request withdrawal of this nomination. — Grand&#39;mere Eugene (talk) 09:35, 28 April 2015 (UTC)
 * Symbol redirect vote 4.svg Wait... Give it some more weeks. This isn't a voting discussion or something like that. Yeah, now is not the time to approve or promote mainly due to the nature of the topic. However, rejecting it now is also not the right time. So is requesting withdrawal. Why impatience nowadays? --George Ho (talk) 10:23, 28 April 2015 (UTC)
 * But then we would need another hook. All three alts given are too insensitive. How about:
 * ALT3:... that the death of Freddie Gray in the Baltimore Police Department's custody caused protests?
 * Yeah, not too good, since people in the US already mostly know about this, but not too insensitive, either. Epic Genius (talk) 13:55, 28 April 2015 (UTC)
 * If this DYK goes forward, the lead poison alternatives should be replaced since that info is not well-integrated into the narrative, and seems irrelevant. I've offered a replacement hook; perhaps in the next days/weeks we'll have better perspective on whether to go forward with it, and if so, what an appropriate (i.e., less insensitive?) hook would be. Grand&#39;mere Eugene (talk) 16:46, 28 April 2015 (UTC)
 * How about these:
 * ALT4: ... that protestors in Baltimore have been rioting in the wake of the death of Freddie Gray in the Baltimore Police Department's custody?
 * ALT5: ... that people in Baltimore protested the death of Freddie Gray in the Baltimore Police Department's custody?
 * Also, I am nominating 2015 Baltimore riots for DYK. Here is my QPQ for that article: Template:Did you know nominations/Party of the Democratic Revolution. (Pulling the QPQ out into another nomination page.) --George Ho (talk) 06:01, 29 April 2015 (UTC)
 * Sounds a lot better than my hook. Epic Genius (talk) 13:53, 30 April 2015 (UTC)

The article, "Death of Freddie Grey", has been featured as part of ITN. Therefore, it's no longer eligible for DYK. There's still hope. The link to the other article that I'm nominating is not bolded in ITN, so it's still eligible. --George Ho (talk) 04:03, 2 May 2015 (UTC)

Because I added another related article originally intended to be the 2nd article for one hook, I moved the nomination forward to April 28. Although the nomination page is titled this way originally intended for already-featured article, I'd still want to retain the other article without creating a separate nomination page. George Ho (talk) 04:14, 2 May 2015 (UTC)
 * Reverted back.Changed to "protests". George Ho (talk) 20:20, 16 May 2015 (UTC)

Changed ALT5 slightly. Also, full review is needed. George Ho (talk) 20:14, 13 June 2015 (UTC)
 * NB: The article at issue has been moved to 2015 Baltimore protests and there is a pending request for it to be merged with 2015 Baltimore curfew that has very strong support but has stalled since June 5, presumably in want of a closer willing to do the merge. - Dravecky (talk) 10:57, 24 June 2015 (UTC)
 * Subsequent note: the merge proposal, of curfew into protests, has just been closed as "merge". Until the merger has been completed, the review should not be started, because a significant amount of material needs to be incorporated into the final version of the protests article, and that new material will need to be properly sourced and meet other DYK criteria. BlueMoonset (talk) 03:16, 25 June 2015 (UTC)


 * Comment: If the article "Death of Freddie Grey" has been featured in ITN and is now being merged into "2015 Baltimore protests", it would seem that this violates the spirit of the DYK criteria (if not the word). If the two articles are merged, this more-or-less states that they should have been one article the entire time. If one of them has been in ITN, I'd say the merged article should be ineligible for DYK. Has there ever been discussion on this before? I've been able to find no written guideline, but I think the intention behind the DYK criteria is very clear here. ~ RobTalk 18:08, 7 July 2015 (UTC) (See below)
 * Pardon me? These two are separate topics. There isn't an agreement to merge both the "death" article and the "protests" article. Consensus agreed to merge the "curfew" article into "protests" article. Shall I explain more? George Ho (talk) 19:48, 7 July 2015 (UTC)
 * You're absolutely right; I misread the earlier discussion. My apologies. ~ RobTalk 20:20, 7 July 2015 (UTC)
 * Shall I strike that comment out on your behalf? George Ho (talk) 20:26, 7 July 2015 (UTC)
 * There's not really a need to strike something that has been rescinded further down, but I've done so since you prefer it. ~ RobTalk 20:53, 7 July 2015 (UTC)


 * Symbol confirmed.svg - qpq done, long enough, new enough, inline citations and prose checks, image checks, I support alt 5. Good 2 go.--BabbaQ (talk) 22:37, 12 July 2015 (UTC)
 * Symbol question.svg As noted above by BlueMoonset, a merge is ongoing and the content of this article is likely to change substantially as that is completed. A review is needed after the merge is completed. ~ RobTalk 22:47, 12 July 2015 (UTC)
 * Symbol redirect vote 4.svg Portions were merged, but I still need content help. George Ho (talk) 08:36, 13 July 2015 (UTC)

Nom is a strike/merge jumble so I'm going to just review 2015 Baltimore protests for simplicity's sake. New at the time of the original nom (1.5k chars on 28 April) and long enough (now at 22k chars). Appears neutral enough and well sourced to news reports. There doesn't seem to be any copyvio. The (copyedited ALT5) hook: is stated and cited in the infobox. Issues:
 * ALT6: ... that the death of Freddie Gray in police custody sparked the 2015 Baltimore protests?
 * The first two sections in the body (under Events, April 18 and April 23) have orange maintenance tags. They need to be dealt with, either through expansion or removal.
 * The second paragraph under Events, April 28, Morning needs an inline citation.
 * QPQ provided is only a partial review, dealing with one criterion (article length). Please complete a full QPQ review.

Last thing, not a big deal but perhaps consider crediting more editors for this DYK nom. Fuebaey (talk) 22:11, 15 July 2015 (UTC)
 * Note to Fuebaey: a nominated article that is under a merge consensus with another article set to be merged into it at any time is, by its very nature, unstable, and should not pass DYK until the merge is complete. And since the resulting article is likely to have a significant amount of new material, the review would need to be redone once the merge is completed. BlueMoonset (talk) 00:51, 16 July 2015 (UTC)
 * I'd assumed George completed the merge on the 13 July with his review symbol. The merge discussion was closed on the 24 June and the curfew article was redirected on the 13 July, after additions were made to the protest article. If that is not the case, then I would kindly ask the nominator not to call for merging help with a review request. Fuebaey (talk) 01:19, 16 July 2015 (UTC)
 * I did the merger and could not insert irrelevant details from the other article. Some were already there (copied and pasted, or duplicated) before I did. George Ho (talk) 02:05, 16 July 2015 (UTC)
 * My mistake. I apologize, Fuebaey, George Ho, for not rechecking, as I should certainly have done. George, it looks like you still have some work to do per Fuebaey's review; I hope you can finish soon so this last remaining nomination from April can be concluded. BlueMoonset (talk) 01:50, 17 July 2015 (UTC)
 * Symbol redirect vote 4.svg Re-checking the "curfew" redirect, I think the mission is completed. Nothing important is missing when I checked both pages (one redirect included). George Ho (talk) 16:09, 17 July 2015 (UTC)
 * Symbol possible vote.svg George Ho, so far as I can see, you have not dealt with any of the issues Fuebaey raised in the July 15 review: two sections with orange maintenance tags, the paragraph without an inline citation, and the partial (insufficient) QPQ. Please take care of these before calling for a new review. Thanks. BlueMoonset (talk) 21:38, 17 July 2015 (UTC)

My other QPQ: template:did you know nominations/September 11 attacks. George Ho (talk) 21:48, 17 July 2015 (UTC)


 * BlueMoonset, I removed the maintenance tags as unnecessary. No expansion is needed; in fact, I merged two sections into one. I added one of the same sources for one paragraph, and here's the QPQ above. I don't know whether having another review is too soon, so I've not yet added a red icon. George Ho (talk) 16:51, 18 July 2015 (UTC)


 * Fuebaey, have your concerns with this nomination been addressed? Please weigh in. Many thanks. (Note: you can add more DYKmake templates yourself if you think it appropriate.) BlueMoonset (talk) 22:32, 19 July 2015 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the ping, and apologies for the late response. My only niggly point is that the second QPQ suffers from the same issue as the first. While I appreciate that quick fails reduce the nom backlog, I think it is unfair to those who spend the time reviewing and providing constructive feedback for articles that stand a realistic chance of getting promoted. Would you mind completing a full review based on the five eligibility criteria? Fuebaey (talk) 14:46, 23 July 2015 (UTC)
 * Another QPQ: Template:Did you know nominations/Trouble (Keith Richards song) --George Ho (talk) 16:36, 23 July 2015 (UTC)
 * Symbol confirmed.svg Thanks. The image is suitably licensed but I don't think it shows up well at that size. I've added, and  to the credit list from the article history. Feel free to rem/add more if necessary. We're good with ALT6. Fuebaey (talk) 15:21, 24 July 2015 (UTC)