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Discipline Global Mobile

 * ... that the music company Discipline Global Mobile has the policy that copyrights belong to artists and consequently does not own even its corporate logo (pictured)?


 * Reviewed: Reviewed hook for Gauss' Pythagorean right triangle proposal
 * Comment: Fivefold expansion of unsourced stub.

Created/expanded by Kiefer.Wolfowitz (talk). Self nom at 16:45, 21 February 2012 (UTC)


 * Symbol possible vote.svg Absolutely a 5X new expansion, however, the hook cite is from the founder of DGM, so I am concerned about neutrality.
 * Note: Nom.'s user page says "busy in real life."
 * Remark: the hook info is factual and undisputed as far as we know, so the citation is not material. In contrast, a hook based on the view that DGM aims to be ethical in an industry tarred by exploitation, deceit, theft and greed, would be very problematic. This one instead reports an amusing consequence of the company's reported policies: it does not own its own logo! Geometry guy 23:57, 5 March 2012 (UTC)
 * I don't understand your comment about "from the founder of DGM" being non-neutral. These two sources clearly follow what the hook says. And the hook is saying that the company has such a policy, a policy that the founder wrote. So...I guess it is from the founder? But just because a company has a policy doesn't mean that it follows it. The hook isn't stating that this is what the company does, the hook is saying this is what the policy says. What's the issue here? Silver  seren C 01:33, 6 March 2012 (UTC)
 * You maybe correct that it is okay for this type of statement. My thinking is that it is a primary source and we are supposed to be using secondary sources here and no original research.  My understanding of original research is that it is done with primary sources. I also am suspicious when an article like this uses the sources from the company/business itself, that there is a neutrality issue. Sometimes these rules are strictly adhered to, and sometimes they are overlooked, so the waters get muddy sometimes. There is no question that the source was written by the founder, his name is on the source.--Ishtar456 (talk) 02:13, 6 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Symbol confirmed.svg slogging through the rules again, I see that is this case the source is acceptable. Thanks to those who spoke up in the nom.'s absence.  I think this is all set.--Ishtar456 (talk) 02:13, 6 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Symbol confirmed.svg slogging through the rules again, I see that is this case the source is acceptable. Thanks to those who spoke up in the nom.'s absence.  I think this is all set.--Ishtar456 (talk) 02:13, 6 March 2012 (UTC)


 * Reply to Ishtar456,
 * As Geometry guy and Silver seren wrote, there are several secondary reliable sources that state that the DGM policy is that artists own their copyrights; the word choice is telling, "artists" being more general than "musicians". There is a secondary reliable source (Hegarty and Halliwell) stating that Ball is the designer of the knotwork logo, along with Ball's and Fripp's repeated affirmations (over many years).
 * The specific proposition that Ball owns the copyright to the knotwork design is affirmed by two citations from Fripp (over many years) and a verifiable link to DGM Live! (for King Crimson's Absent Lovers: Live in Philadelphia 1984), besides the aforementioned citations of the "artist" policy.
 * Regarding my being "busy in real life": Truly my editing time must be reduced. However, our article DGM deserved and continues to deserve my attention, particularly when it was un-sourced and in danger of elimination.
 * Thanks to all of you for your interest, follow-through, and help.
 * Best regards, Kiefer .Wolfowitz 07:55, 6 March 2012 (UTC)

I moved the approved nomination to 25 March, which is the anniversary of Guitar Craft. As noted in the DGM article,
 * 1) Guitar Craft's performance side, The League of Crafty Guitarists, records with Robert Fripp for DGM, and
 * 2) Guitar Craft also uses another knotwork by Steve Ball as its logo. 10:06, 6 March 2012 (UTC) 13:39, 24 March 2012 (UTC)