Template:Did you know nominations/Françoise de Rimini


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The result was: promoted by Cwmhiraeth (talk) 06:13, 23 March 2017 (UTC)

Françoise de Rimini

 * ... that a duet in Françoise de Rimini, the last opera by Ambroise Thomas (pictured rehearsing the opera), has been compared to that of Tristan und Isolde? Source:
 * ALT1:... that the historic characters in Françoise de Rimini, the last opera by Ambroise Thomas (pictured rehearsing the opera), include not only Francesca da Rimini, but also Dante and Virgil? Source: same
 * Reviewed: John Blair, Sr.

Created by Gerda Arendt (talk). Self-nominated at 17:15, 17 March 2017 (UTC).


 * Symbol confirmed.svg I think this is fine. It's well-sourced and informative, new and long enough, and the hook fact is interesting and reliably sourced. I've made some minor changes to wording and a few other fixes but overall it's good to go. Prioryman (talk) 09:08, 18 March 2017 (UTC)


 * Note: Gerda, Prioryman, the description of the illustration is completely inaccurate, and it shouldn't be used. Lautrec's watercolour sketch was done in January 1896 and shows Thomas (seated in the armchair behind the conductor) listening to a rehearsal of an 1896 concert in which the prelude from Françoise de Rimini was part of the program. This is not a rehearsal of the opera. See: Masson, Georges (2011). Bicentenaire Ambroise Thomas: «Françoise de Rimini», son ultime opéra. Cercle Lyrique de Metz (page 72 of the pdf). Voceditenore (talk) 09:11, 20 March 2017 (UTC)


 * Thank you for the clarification, - I was surprised how young he looks, but blamed the artist, - I am sorry now. Thank you for bringing a better source that what we read on the commons. I guess the image will not be taken anyway, as so confusing ;) - If taken, how about "(pictured listening)", caption "Ambroise Thomas listening to his work"? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:25, 20 March 2017 (UTC)
 * Actually, Gerda, he doesn't look young. He's the old man with white hair hunched in the chair behind the conductor. He's not the conductor or the man holding the score, who is presumably one of the singers. I agree the image is confusing. I'm also going to add a better image to the infobox, a scene from the premiere production. I'll move the caricture lower down in the article in case you still want to use it for the DYK. Best, Voceditenore (talk) 09:47, 20 March 2017 (UTC) PS I've also expanded the description of the Lautrec file on Commons to reflect this new information. Voceditenore (talk) 09:53, 20 March 2017 (UTC)
 * (ec) Yes, I got that he is the old man. The "was surprised" was at a time before your explanation, when I only saw what we have on the commons, and the image in his article in French: "Ambroise Thomas assistant à une répétition de Françoise de Rimini par Henri de Toulouse-Lautrec (1896).", I (wrongly) assumed he was the conductor, misinterpreting "assistant", but even that seems to be wrong. - I thought "répétition" means rehearsal, - is that at least right? - I'll look at the better image. - Thank you for that, the commons, the updates! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:01, 20 March 2017 (UTC)
 * That's a great picture, but unsuitable for DYK. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:07, 20 March 2017 (UTC)