Template:Did you know nominations/Isabelle Ciaravola


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The result was: promoted by Callanecc (talk • contribs • logs) 10:28, 2 April 2014 (UTC)

Isabelle Ciaravola

 * ... that Isabelle Ciaravola carries Corsican good luck charms in her dance bag?
 * Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Siphoniulus
 * Comment: for Women's History Month

Created by Ipigott (talk), Rosiestep (talk). Nominated by Rosiestep (talk) at 23:13, 26 March 2014 (UTC).


 * Symbol confirmed.svg Article is new enough, long enough and within policy. Hook fact is interesting and reliably sourced. QPQ done. Good to go for Women's History Month. 97198 (talk) 01:24, 30 March 2014 (UTC)


 * Symbol possible vote.svg The hook fact is fluff: non-encyclopedic and inappropriate for an article. I've just removed it. Instead, I'm suggesting a hook based on her thirty-minute ovation at retirement:
 * ALT1: ... that Isabelle Ciaravola received a 30-minute standing ovation after her final performance with the Paris Opera Ballet?
 * "Paris Opera Ballet" can be wikilinked if you think it appropriate; I didn't think "standing ovation" needed one, but you can add it if you prefer. —BlueMoonset (talk) 14:32, 30 March 2014 (UTC)
 * ALT1 is fine.
 * Your statement that the original hook is "fluff", "non-encyclopedic and inappropriate" is culturally insensitive. Superstition is real to some people and well-documented, including among athletes. Though it doesn't match with everyone's sense of reality, carrying/wearing/creating charms, amulets, talismans, etc. is an important part of certain belief systems. Biographies should include rounded information on the subject, including beliefs, when that information is reliably sourced, and, as Isabelle mentioned the good luck charms during an interview, I found it to be relevant vs. trivial. --Rosiestep (talk) 16:49, 30 March 2014 (UTC)


 * Symbol redirect vote 4.svg Need independent reviewer to verify ALT1. As for the good-luck charms, they were included near the end of a list of product that happened to be in her dance bag at the time of the interview about it, including many brand names. Given the original fluff context of the source (show-and-tell) and how it was originally written up in the Wikipedia article, it came off as non-encyclopedic to this reader. If the charms had been better grounded in the source, or incorporated there with more detail (how long she'd had them, whether she ever wore them, etc.), I expect my feeling would have been different. BlueMoonset (talk) 17:24, 30 March 2014 (UTC)


 * The 30 minute ovation is well documented and I therefore have no objection to ALT1. (I agree that Paris Opera Ballet should be wikilinked.) I would however have preferred the original hook as it casts considerable light on the personality of the ballerina and we are after all trying to provide her with a biography.--Ipigott (talk) 20:33, 30 March 2014 (UTC)
 * Symbol voting keep.svg New enough, long enough, well referenced. Unable to check for close paraphrasing in foreign-language sources, but the article appears to be written NPOV. Foreign-language hook ref AGF and cited inline. QPQ done. ALT1 good to go. Yoninah (talk) 21:24, 30 March 2014 (UTC)