Template:Did you know nominations/Lily Bristow


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The result was: promoted by  S ven M anguard   Wha?  17:26, 4 April 2014 (UTC)

Lily Bristow

 * ... that mountaineer Lily Bristow may have been the namesake of a Virginia Woolf heroine?
 * Reviewed: A Barca

Created by 97198 (talk). Self nominated at 12:09, 29 March 2014 (UTC).


 * Symbol voting keep.svg Length (it is just a bit >1500 char so ok), date verified. Hook's ref accepted AGF as I couldn't download the academia.edu article. All non-lede paragraphs have refs; all refs appear to be RS. No apparent close-paraphrasing issues. QPQ done. GTG. For Women's History Month please. --Rosiestep (talk) 15:13, 29 March 2014 (UTC)


 * Symbol possible vote.svg The hook and article seem to be using the word "namesake" incorrectly. It's the character "Lily Briscoe" in the Woolf novel who is possibly the namesake of (named after) the real person Lily Bristow, not vice versa. I also wonder about the use of the word "heroine", especially given the description of the novel; wouldn't "character" be more accurate? BlueMoonset (talk) 05:28, 30 March 2014 (UTC)
 * And having just read the Sparks source—unlike Rosiestep, I was able to read it online—I'm very dubious about this. The way Sparks presents it this is pure speculation: "isn't it fun to imagine" that an eleven-year-old Virginia "might have learned" of Bristow and later named her artist character Briscoe after her. (I see now that Sparks is the one that describes Briscoe as an "artist heroine".) Without some actual evidence, the paragraph in the article and hook are on very thin ice. And, assuming they are deleted, the article not only needs a replacement hook, but it's too short to qualify for DYK; another sentence of similar length would need to be added. BlueMoonset (talk) 05:50, 30 March 2014 (UTC)
 * I see what you mean - I've adjusted the text in the article to clarify that it is pure speculation. Here's an alt hook just to be safe:
 * ALT1: ... that Lily Bristow was one of the first women to climb the Grépon? 97198 (talk) 07:15, 30 March 2014 (UTC)
 * Thanks, 97198. Suggesting another ALT based on the source (added a word to the article to cover it):
 * ALT2: ... that Lily Bristow made the second-ever ascent of Grépon, and did so without a guide?
 * Does that work? (I struck the original hook because of the problematic "namesake" wording.) BlueMoonset (talk) 15:33, 30 March 2014 (UTC)
 * Looks good, thanks! 97198 (talk) 08:44, 31 March 2014 (UTC)
 * Symbol confirmed.svg as per prev review. Alt1 and Alt2 are fine and sourced. QPQ is done. GTG. Thanks. This is part of the 150 plus DYKs for WHM. Thanks to all. Victuallers (talk) 21:45, 1 April 2014 (UTC)