Template:Did you know nominations/Magnificat and Nunc dimittis for St Paul's Cathedral


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The result was: promoted by — Maile (talk) 23:07, 14 October 2017 (UTC)

Magnificat and Nunc dimittis for St Paul's Cathedral

 * ... that Herbert Howells made changes of harmony and tonality in his Magnificat and Nunc dimittis for St Paul's Cathedral (cathedral choir pictured) in "more spacious ways"?
 * Reviewed: Andy Boarman
 * Comment: best on the composer's birthday, 17 October

Created by Gerda Arendt (talk) and Bencherlite (talk). Nominated by Gerda Arendt (talk) at 22:25, 4 October 2017 (UTC).
 * I don't understand the hook (I think some edit mangled the syntax) and the source is not cited. From reading the article, I think the hook means:

ALT1: ... that the Magnificat and Nunc dimittis for St Paul's Cathedral had to be written with slower, "more spacious" changes in harmony and tonality to accommodate the long reverberation time (cathedral choir pictured)?
 * If the (beautiful) image is captioned I don't think the hook needs to identify it. HLHJ (talk) 03:47, 5 October 2017 (UTC)
 * I miss the composer, - the article was written to honour his birthday! Magnificat and Nunc dimittis (should have an article) is almost as common as Symphony ;) - I didn't know how to say that not the piece is pictured but only the last part of its title, and don't think the picture-clause should be at the end. Also, I find "more spacious ways" more poetic than plain "more spacious", - a little preview of some wonderful quotations in the article (thanks to Bencherlite!) that are all too long for a hook. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 06:20, 5 October 2017 (UTC)
 * ps: the source is not cited because it's a book that I don't have. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 06:23, 5 October 2017 (UTC)
 * Incidentally, the quotation can be verified from this source, already in the article, where the composer's words are quoted but without attribution to the underlying source (the Argo sleeve notes that he wrote) - hence my use of a published source for the quotation. Suggest Alt 2:
 * ALT2: ... that in his Magnificat and Nunc dimittis for St Paul's Cathedral, Herbert Howells uses slow and spacious changes in harmony and tonality to suit the cathedral's building's long echo (interior pictured)?
 * How's that? Incidentally, I don't want a DYK credit for this article. BencherliteTalk 12:12, 5 October 2017 (UTC)
 * I like it, would prefer "cathedral" only once but understand that it is tricky. Thank you for your substantial improvement! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:32, 5 October 2017 (UTC)
 * "building" instead. BencherliteTalk 13:13, 5 October 2017 (UTC)


 * Comment Rather than the generic word "building" why not use "vast church's" long echo. That is quoted from the source, and i think it better.  7&amp;6=thirteen (☎) 21:46, 12 October 2017 (UTC)


 * Symbol redirect vote 4.svg Full review needed. BlueMoonset (talk) 02:43, 13 October 2017 (UTC)
 * ALT3: ... that Herbert Howells's Magnificat and Nunc dimittis for St Paul's Cathedral features slow and spacious changes in harmony and tonality to suit the vast church's long echo (interior pictured)?

Good to go with ALT 2, with or without "cathedral" appearing twice at the discretion of the promoting editor (I favor removing it , but it is a de minimus edit either way. "building" or "church" is equally acceptable to me) Article is new enough, short enough, hook cited, neutral, stable and so on. Montanabw (talk) 23:46, 13 October 2017 (UTC)