Template talk:/æ/ raising in North American English

Australian English
Can't we add it to the table, per Ae tensing? Kbb2 (ex. Mr KEBAB) (talk) 06:16, 18 April 2020 (UTC)
 * I'd say no. We already have more than enough complications. Once we start including varieties outside North America who knows how big the table is going to be. Nardog (talk) 06:40, 18 April 2020 (UTC)
 * Which other non-American and non-Canadian varieties could be included here? I thought only Australia had a (simple, non-phonemic) raising system. Kbb2 (ex. Mr KEBAB) (talk) 06:42, 18 April 2020 (UTC)
 * Cockney has for  before voiced consonants, especially . This approaches  ( in cockney) in production, much like in NAE. Sol505000 (talk) 04:02, 12 July 2021 (UTC)

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 * Hi, can you name your exact problems please? You can see that Nardog and I have already had a long discussion about relevant sources above. Thanks. Wolfdog (talk) 00:54, 7 July 2021 (UTC)
 * I explained in the edit summary: "... not footnoted, unlike several other similar comments in the table." Please see notes B and D. These statements have footnotes to the sources. I.e., my problem is purely formal. Lembit Staan (talk) 00:59, 7 July 2021 (UTC)

/æ/ raising before /ŋ/ in New York City
@Nardog, would it be okay if the footnote said "Some New Yorkers may have instead of  before  (...)", instead of what it said earlier? This is closer to the source; my writing "raised " was a mistake. Tyrui (talk) 07:34, 20 August 2023 (UTC)


 * Sure, but I suggest we cite something newer and peer-reviewed like this instead of Becker & Wong (2010), which is a working paper. Nardog (talk) 16:15, 20 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Presumably, too, this chart is referring to a genericized classic New York accent, which we may want to keep in mind. Traditionally, NYC keeps a tense/lax distinction, but in reality the younger generations are rapidly changing the whole /æ/ situation and, in fact, the whole dialect. Wolfdog (talk) 17:55, 21 August 2023 (UTC)

canadian /æg/ raising
the Canadian column of the /æ/ raising chart seems incorrect to me, specifically the bag, dragon sets (pre-vocalic and non-prevocalic /g/). I read the source (Boberg 2008) and it seems to be to be showing a use of ɛ mainly in the prairies, not in "ontario, quebec, or the maritimes" which imo is specific enough to not be the best transcription for a broad general Canadian such as in this chart. I don't feel comfortable changing it because I know there are a lot of regional Canadian accents and I might stand to correction but anecdotally I've never heard this pronunciation in my life. (note this is distinction from leg, egg as /ejg/ which IS certainly common). Does anyone have any other sources on this? Phantasmofaman (talk) 19:45, 9 May 2024 (UTC)
 * What's the transcription for what you impressionistically hear? Wolfdog (talk) 12:09, 13 May 2024 (UTC)