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Myatav Erdenechimeg

Śāradā script & Siddhaṃ script


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 Lhoyü Zong 珞瑜地区、珞隅地区

Moghol: 蒙兀儿 莫卧儿(Mughal) 忙豁勒

莫戈勒语

Endangered

 * Mogholi language
 * Yugh language
 * Orok language


 * Kallawaya language 卡亚瓦亚 Callahuaya
 * Cahuilla language
 * Luiseño language
 * Utian languages
 * Havasupai-Hualapai language-Yavapai&Paipai
 * Wurundjeri (extinct?)
 * Dyangadi
 * Lardil language

non-Endangered

 * Shoshone language
 * Havasupai language
 * Algonquin language

Some important extincted

 * Algonquian languages-Weapemeoc, Poteskeet, Moratoc, Roanoke, Secotan (Secoughtan), Pomuik, Neusiok, Croatan

Extinct?

 * Coahuiltecan languages
 * Chumashan languages(of Hokan languages)

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Wênsa Zhügu

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=Temp article= (tag removed) mergeto|Human rights in India|date=August 2008}} In this section, we'll mainly talk about the existance of cultural genocide in these place, not normal human rights, since this is the most serious one in these places.

South Tibet and Tawang in ancient times
Since it's too ancient, there's not enough information.

Other's situation
In Ladakh, India, instruction is in Urdu, with a high dropout rate from Tibetans.

WP:NPOV
I have added an NPOV tag. The article editors have clearly stated that their intentions are to write an anti-India piece rather than an encyclopaedic article.

The factual accuracy of this article is also questionable: medium of instructuion is "Urdu"? How come? I thought Hindi was the offical language of India, not Urdu. --Deepak D'Souza (talk • contribs) 05:28, 2 September 2008 (UTC)
 * I've never said my intentions are to write an anti-India piece. I admit I don't like Hinduism personally, but I like Buddism, and of course I admire Gandi. I write this article because I heard many thing imply there's many thing racially bad in India. Why don't you place a NPOV label to Human rights in India? Isn't that the same? --虞海 (talk) 08:57, 2 September 2008 (UTC)
 * When someone writes a statement like "but India is never accused of cultural genocide against Tibetans" it says: India should be accused of cultural genocide against Tibetians. The only single line of substance that this article contains is violative of WP:NPOV. Pleaes read the link to understand what neutrality means. Then you will understand why Human rights in India is not NPOV-tagged. And please stop using the term "South Tibet" It is not a standard term. Use Laddakh and Arunachal Pradesh which are the internationally accpeted names for two distinct geographical areas which are thousands of kilometers apart. "South Tibet" is a biased term. --&#91;&#91;User:Deepak D&#39;Souza&#124;Deepak D&#39;Souza&#93;&#93; (&#91;&#91;User talk:Deepak D&#39;Souza&#124;talk&#93;&#93; • &#91;&#91;Special:Contributions/Deepak D&#39;Souza&#124;contribs&#93;&#93;) (talk) 19:55, 2 September 2008 (UTC)
 * "but India is never accused of cultural genocide against Tibetans": Well, it originally means a comparision between Tibet and Urdu, in Tibetan culture under Chinese rule. But once copying here, your misgivings is correct. I'll go about it before remove POV tag. --虞海 (talk) 03:30, 3 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Well, that is a problem, you can move it to Human rights in Arunachal Pradesh / South Tibet and Tawang, as well as human rights of Tibetan people in India. --虞海 (talk) 02:50, 3 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Wait.  Both these 2 name is disputed, so I think the most neutral way is "A / B" or "A or B". --虞海 (talk) 03:24, 3 September 2008 (UTC)
 * If you feel it's unneutral, you can help me to improve it and we can talk with each other. But I don't think you should place a NPOV label to a newly writing article. --虞海 (talk) 09:01, 2 September 2008 (UTC)
 * No editor is under any obligation to improve any article. Especially not when the article is written in bad taste, to make a point or simply violates wikipedia guidlines like this one does.--&#91;&#91;User:Deepak D&#39;Souza&#124;Deepak D&#39;Souza&#93;&#93; (&#91;&#91;User talk:Deepak D&#39;Souza&#124;talk&#93;&#93; • &#91;&#91;Special:Contributions/Deepak D&#39;Souza&#124;contribs&#93;&#93;) (talk) 19:55, 2 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Please do not use such word like "bad taste": do not define something without Wikipedia rules. Also, there will be more people who would like to care about this. And I hope you point out which Wikipedia rule it violates. --虞海 (talk) 02:57, 3 September 2008 (UTC)
 * As for "factual accuracy", don't you know there's more than 20 official language in India? It differs from states. --虞海 (talk) 09:01, 2 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Also, there was a time I believe there's no racial problem in India, but later I found that I had been wrong. None of these official language in India is Lepcha, Bhutia or Tibetan language. --虞海 (talk) 09:30, 2 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Yes I know that there are 23 national languages in India. And Hindi is the offical language of India, not Urdu. It is surprising that a professor at the Hong Kong University can be so lax in getting his information correct; It only shows that he was out make a point rather than a serious scholarly analysis. Fails WP:RELIABLE. I guess, since he lives in Hong Kong he has to prove that he is a loyal citizen of China? And you have taken it and quoted it without checking the article for reliability. As far as official language is concerned I dont think there is a nation where the offical language is not taught compulsarily in all schools. China has 52 ethnic communities . All have to learn Mandarin, right? All Americans have to learn English. Similarly in India everyone has to learn Hindi. How does it become cultural genocide? There are hundreds of languages in India. All cannot be included in the list of National languages. --&#91;&#91;User:Deepak D&#39;Souza&#124;Deepak D&#39;Souza&#93;&#93; (&#91;&#91;User talk:Deepak D&#39;Souza&#124;talk&#93;&#93; • &#91;&#91;Special:Contributions/Deepak D&#39;Souza&#124;contribs&#93;&#93;) (talk) 19:55, 2 September 2008 (UTC)
 * I think you should read a little about Official_languages_of_India. These "National language" is not only a National language. Actually, it's Official languages at the state level. In that article, it's clear that:


 * And that proves what the professor at the Hong Kong University is correct. You took your opinion for granted. --虞海 (talk) 03:09, 3 September 2008 (UTC)


 * Wait, wait, wait! China has 56 ethnic group. However, part of minority does not use Mandarin at all. As a result, cities in Inner Mongolia AR, Tibet AR, etc are bilingual. I've been to Huhhot, and found out that it's really a good policy. And I got many information that even primary school in Tibet AR teach children Tibetan language. So that it's not a problem for minority to use their own language. Most minority do study Mandarin, but they never forget their own language!  Can Lepcha and Bhutia children study their language since their primary school? If you have any information I hope you can show me. --虞海 (talk) 03:20, 3 September 2008 (UTC)


 * I've never meant to exaggerate anything. What I said is the real thing as far as what I saw. If there is any exaggerate, convince me and I will remove it. --虞海 (talk) 09:32, 2 September 2008 (UTC)
 * I would suggest that you go throught the wikipedia guidlines. All contet must be verifiable. You cannot just write anything that you beleive is true. It has to be backed by reliable sources. And sayaing that some friend you have in "South Tibet" has told you this and that is not acceptable. Your "friend" does not meet WIkipedia's definition of reliable sources. Please see WP:NOT to understand what is not acceptable in WIkiepdia. You cannot treat WIkipedia like a blog--&#91;&#91;User:Deepak D&#39;Souza&#124;Deepak D&#39;Souza&#93;&#93; (&#91;&#91;User talk:Deepak D&#39;Souza&#124;talk&#93;&#93; • &#91;&#91;Special:Contributions/Deepak D&#39;Souza&#124;contribs&#93;&#93;) (talk) 19:55, 2 September 2008 (UTC)
 * I've already care about this. And I've told my friend this. So I wrote I'm not afraid if it's deleted. I'm afraid if it's deleted and when I get enough information and rewrite it people delete it directly.However, I think everyone can express their opinion there, but I don't think you add your emotion on it. Such as, add "Speedy" before "Delete". --虞海 (talk) 03:35, 3 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Speedy deletion is one of the techniques of deletion; not an emotion :-). I would love to reply to your mnessages and point out inaccuracies but since this article is well on its way to deletion, it would be a waste of my energy. --Deepak D'Souza 17:40, 3 September 2008 (UTC)

Here are my points:


 * 1. India has only ~125,000 Tibetians. In the state of Jammu and Kashmir, there are just ~25,000 Tibetians. The total population of the state is ~10,000,000. This means Tibetians make up ~0.25% of the J&Ks population. Hence is it logical for Tibetian to be an official language of the state? Even in Ladakh alone (a division of J&K), they form less than 10% (25,000 / 270,000) of the total population. Hence Tibetian is not significant enough to be an officially recognised language. Note that not all Tibetian Buddhist are Tibetian people. Most people of Ladakh are Indo-Tibetians. Their native language is Ladakhi, which is closely related to Tibetian, although this is also not an officially recognised language in the state. However India encourages the propogation of various cultures within its borders. Please see The Druk White Lotus School.


 * 2. You argued that "none of these official language in India is Lepcha, Bhutia or Tibetan". How significant are these languages in the first place? Going by your argument, Manchus form between 2% and 3% of the population of Heilonjiang Province, China. However Manchu is not an official language the Heilongjiang. The Heilongjiang government website is available only in Mandarin and English . So can I say that Manchus are facing "cultural genocide"? Or are Spanish Americans facing "cultural genocide" since their language, Spanish is not recognised by the US government eventhough they form 10% of the population? Please understand. Cultural genocide is a term used to describe the deliberate destruction of the cultural heritage of a people or nation.


 * 3. All of India's languages on the 8th schedule have a significant number of native speakers, except Sanskrit, which is a classical language from which several other Indo-Aryan languages evolved from. More prominant languages like Tulu, which have ~2,000,000 speakers are also not recognised!


 * 4. The Indian constitution does not specify the official languages to be used by the states for the conduct of their official functions, and leaves each state free to, through its legislature, adopt any language used in its territory as its official language or languages. The language need not be one of those listed in the Eighth Schedule, and several states have adopted official languages which are not so listed. (e.g. Mizoram: Mizo, Pondichery: French)


 * 5. India has hundreds, perhaps thousands of different dialects spoken. How can you expect the govenment to recognise each and every language? As long as the freedom remains to use them at will is sufficient, and adherent to basic human rights.


 * 6. Why in the first place did you create an article with just 1 single sentence as citation? And your citation does not support "Human rights in Arunachal Pradesh or South Tibet and Tawang". And as I said above (with examples), not recognising a language spoken by a barest minority does not qualify for "human rights violation".

Thanks. S3000 ☎  08:11, 5 September 2008 (UTC)

Speedy delete

 * P.S. Almost all external link in this page is evidence and permanent link I use. --虞海 (talk) 08:38, 5 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Some information is in Articles for deletion/Human rights in South Tibet and Tawang, as well as human rights of Tibetan people in India. --虞海 (talk) 08:56, 5 September 2008 (UTC)

I didn't say "personal" attack, just that it's an attack page. It is an entirely unsourced article about a "cultural genocide". You shouldn't make claims of genocide without proper sources. Beeblebrox (talk) 08:21, 5 September 2008 (UTC) Ok, my bad, the automated message from WP:TWINKLE does use the term "personal attack", but I stand by what I said anyway, this is an unsourced attack page. Beeblebrox (talk) 08:26, 5 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Did you see I awared and changed it before? --虞海 (talk) 08:33, 5 September 2008 (UTC)
 * That's a sentence I thought normal but the day I found it unneutral I changed it. However, you need to explain why I was make "personal attack" or (what you later say) "attack", or else give me a apologize in my talk page. Or after delete these page with a "personal attack" remain in my personal talk page and with all my evidence removed? You said I attack others, but did you imagine what you did to me? --虞海 (talk) 09:01, 5 September 2008 (UTC)
 * (removed here from article):|Still now, you didn't mention where I "make personal attacks". I've write almost all my opinion at the talk page and the deletion request page but you label me "personal attacks" without say anything! Also, I've already improved my article with Deepak D'Souza's help but you vote it at the deletion request page with your impress when you saw it first. With talk with Deepak D'Souza I solved all unneutral part of this article and he acquiesce to remove the POV label.
 * Yes, "Cultural Genocide" is excessive to use. Please refer to my argument above. S3000  ☎  08:35, 5 September 2008 (UTC)
 * So I changed it as soon as you wrote it. --虞海 (talk) 08:45, 5 September 2008 (UTC)
 * I don't know why you think I'm not looking at the article as it exists right now, I only became aware of it about a half an hour ago. Beeblebrox (talk) 08:37, 5 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Because you never refer those evidence I list. --虞海 (talk) 08:40, 5 September 2008 (UTC)
 * This is an evidence. --虞海 (talk) 08:45, 5 September 2008 (UTC)


 * 虞海|虞海, you need to add all new remarks at the bottom of the discussion, otherwise it makes it difficult to determine what was said when. Beeblebrox (talk) 08:42, 5 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Why? Wikipedia has its own indent format. We shouldn't break it. We should reply thing just after other's speech. --虞海 (talk) 08:51, 5 September 2008 (UTC)


 * Never mind Beeblebrox (talk) 09:01, 5 September 2008 (UTC)
 * WP:STICK: "This is an essay, a page containing the advice or opinions of one or more Wikipedia contributors. You may heed it or not, at your discretion." --虞海 (talk) 09:05, 5 September 2008 (UTC)
 * However, I'll bigmark newly say and once you reply please remove the  label. --虞海 (talk) 09:05, 5 September 2008 (UTC)

=Sandbox=

Gyurmed Namgyal succeeded his father Chador. Consequently upon a Mongol (Dzungar) invasion on Tibet to persecute Nyingma sect, the Mindoling Abbot's sister. In his times the people were forced to work on the fortification of Rabdentse in the fear of Gurkhas and Bhutanese raids. Many Tsongs who were not prepared to yield to forced labour fled to Limbuana, which became a rebel district and broke away from Sikkim even earlier to Gurkha expansion. A boundary dispute with Bhutan also arose. The Magar Chieftain Tashi Bidur also revolted, though he was subdued. Limbuana was, however, lost to Nepal. Gyurmed had no issue but while on his death bed at the age of 26 (1733) gave out that a nun in Sanga Choling was carrying his child. But some people do not believe it. It is said, he was impotent and generally shunned his wife.

http://sikkim.nic.in/sws/sikk_his.htm

Human rights

 * Human rights in Indonesia‎
 * Human rights in South Tibet and Tawang, as well as human rights of Tibetan people in India
 * Human rights in Sikkim

Sípsɔ́ngpǎnnǎː Dai Autonomous Prefecture

 * Xishuangbanna Dai Autonomous Prefecture → Sípsɔ́ngpǎnnǎː Dai Autonomous Prefecture
 * Søren Wichmann
 * Encyclopædia Britannica Eleventh Edition
 * Chữ Nôm