User:FisherQueen/Archive13

 {| style="text-align:center; border: 1px solid #000000; background-color:#3CB371" ! style="font-family: Trebuchet MS, sans-serif; color: #000000; font-size: x-large; line-height: 1.3em;" colspan="2"|FisherQueen
 * - padding:1em;padding-top:0.5em;"

 User Page · Talk page · Archives · To do list · Contributions · Edit count · Sandbox · Patrol 
 * style="text-align:left; padding: 8px; background-color:#DCDCDC"|
 * style="text-align:left; padding: 8px; background-color:#DCDCDC"|

Anon
I guess he's getting ready to go at it again, he's added a few peculiar edits to Rufino Tamayo, and he seems intent on rewriting Frida Kahlo. Modernist 03:24, 1 October 2007 (UTC)

Burcu Günes
Hello. I see the case is closed now but can anyone tell me please why it is necessary to have ENGLISH sources of someone to be notable? :) I mean, the native language of that country is Turkish, and the person is notable in her own country. You can't expect to have English sources with a national star whose native language is not English... It's just a matter of history that English became a world language and thus I can read about country music starts in America, of whom I have NEVER heard about because I don't listen to American country music. See what I mean? What if the native language of America would be German (we all know it did depend on only one vote at the time)? Then you'd require an American artist unknown elsewhere in the world to have English sources? :) I mean, this is crazy :) I don't want to bother you or anything, I was just shocked that this happens here in Wikipedia, and that it happens so frequently! This is really unfair that we want everyone to speak English and refer to everything in English. This is a huge bias. Just wanted to tell my opinion and I'm happy that in the end you withdrew the stuff from deletion. Have a nice day! --Teemeah Gül Bahçesi  06:31, 1 October 2007 (UTC)
 * It's not required to have English sources. However, it's more difficult to verify sources in other languages, because we have to find someone who reads Turkish.  In the case of Burcu Güneş, the original version of the article didn't say anything that would indicate that she was notable in Turkey.  No, really- the article was, to me, indistinguishable from any of the hundreds of autobiographical non-notable musician articles I see.  There were no sources- not even sources in Turkish- in the article.  But I wanted to give it the benefit of the doubt, since I recognized the difficulty of verifying notability for someone if the sources are not English, so instead of speedying it, I used a {prod} tag, giving the author a chance to explain why she is notable and add some kind of sources.  Instead, the author removed the tag and made no changes, which is exactly what the author of an autobiographical non-notable musician article always does.  How-- no, really, how am I supposed to know that a musician is notable when the author doesn't say that she is notable, doesn't add any sources, removes the prod tag without any comment, and none of the sources in Google are in a language that I can read?  Your assumption that I'm just biased against non-English speakers isn't fair.  This is the English Wikipedia, and somebody has to explain in English at some point who the person is and why she is notable, or the rest of us have no way of knowing. -FisherQueen (Talk) 11:42, 1 October 2007 (UTC)
 * I see your point and you are totally right in this particular case. If there are no sources you can't verify it., However, sadly enough, I had some cases in the past where I provided all the links for notability and still some admin put the article for deletion and I had to rush to Turkish editors to help me prove that the person is really a known one in Turkey, it didn't matter for that certain Englis-speaking editor that I had various sources to verify it. I'm talking about the Emre Altug article. I do feel that there is a certain very negative bias in wikipedia towards non-english speaking celebrities.... anyways, I'm happy that you are not among them :) --Teemeah Gül Bahçesi  06:36, 2 October 2007 (UTC)
 * I really try hard not to do that. Sometimes I'll even figure out what the relevant WikiProject is and leave a note asking for help... sometimes, though, I mess one up, and this was definitely one of those times.  -FisherQueen (Talk) 10:07, 2 October 2007 (UTC)

Incivil to bots
Thanks for your support on the "incivil to bots" thing, I was beginning to think it was just me. Kelpin 15:19, 1 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Well, it is kind of funny, so I am in complete sympathy with the people who are joking about incivility to bots. But when you insult a bot for being poorly programmed, there is an attack about a real person happening, too.  -FisherQueen (Talk) 15:21, 1 October 2007 (UTC)
 * I can see the humour in the situation too - not least that he typed that message to a bot that can't read it on a talk page that the bot's writer is hardly likely to read - and that does mitigate the comment a little. Having said that I get pretty worked up when someone who has no idea what they're talking about picks holes in my work so I can imagine how angry one of the wiki programmers is going to feel if they do happen to come across that program.  I've seen some bots do some incredible work on here (including the one he was having a go at) and I have nothing but respect for the people who build them.  Kelpin 15:27, 1 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Yes, I don't know a single line of code- even the HTML on my userpage is stolen from other people's pages- so I'm in awe of people who write bots. Like SineBot, for example.  Here, SineBot!  Fetch! stupid SineBot didn't come and sign my post... -FisherQueen (Talk) 15:47, 1 October 2007 (UTC)

from learnportuguese
My bad. I just don't have the time or the resources. I DO want these articles to be started for sure! :) If you put a watch on my user page and talk page, you will see how much my college studies prevent me from working on Wikipedia, let alone reading it! :) learnportuguese 15:44, 1 October 2007 (UTC)
 * It's all cool. I could see from your talk page that you're knowledgeable and editing in good faith... it's just that we can use informative articles about a smaller number of topics more than one-sentence articles on a larger number.  I have a too-short article in my sandbox right now, just waiting for me to find more information about it so I'll feel good about creating it in mainspace... -FisherQueen (Talk) 15:46, 1 October 2007 (UTC)

jonty haywood
i didn't create an article about myself, he just has the same name as me, hence my interest in him. JontyHaywood 16:13, 1 October 2007 (UTC)
 * In that case, you can mentally replace the warning against writing about yourself to the warning against writing about people who don't meet the notability guidelines. -FisherQueen (Talk) 16:29, 1 October 2007 (UTC)

Ratko Delorko
Hi dear Fisher Queen, I reestablished the Ratko Delorko article. You proposed to delete this article because "No reliable sources verify that this person meets the notablity criteria". It might be amazing for you, but there is excellent musicians even outside the USA :-) Ratko Delorko has been in the USA at least 3 times within a year and was very succesful with concerts and lectures even at the pianists congress in Las Vegas.

Google finds 16500 Links. here are some of them:


 * http://www.hfmdk-frankfurt.de/lehrende_einzeln.php?lehrende_id=50
 * http://www.germanticketoffice.com/detail_de.php?ID=d1009110146017
 * http://www.kir.essen.de/asp/bioframe.asp?KOMPONIST=81
 * http://www.radioparadise.com/content.php?name=Amazon&asin=B000002X8C
 * http://www.spjm.de/Dozenten.80.0.html
 * http://www.tastenwelt.de/ttdp107.0.html
 * http://www.zimmermann-frankfurt.de/cgi-bin/main?action=nlt_dis
 * http://www.spendel.com/projects.php

This should be enough, and we can leave out the other 16.000 :-)

So, what´s your Problem with the article?

Best regards: Detlev WulfWulfmusic 16:47, 1 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Why are you adding these to my talk page, instead of to the article? Just do what I suggested- pick the ones that best show how he is important, and cite them in the article. -FisherQueen (Talk) 16:48, 1 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Make sure that you review the reliable sources guidelines as you do that; even though I don't read German I was able to remove quite a few sources from this list that didn't meet them. You don't need everything in the world that mentions his name, just three that discuss his importance in depth and come from good sources.  One of yours I couldn't access; my firewall blocked it as 'malicious software.' -FisherQueen (Talk) 17:20, 1 October 2007 (UTC)

Football referee lists
Hi. I currently help maintain and watch the List of football referees and the list of Football League Referees. The consensus for both seems to be to include redlinks and bluelinks together in the lists, as you will see on closer inspection, and therefore, to keep uniformity, your edits following the deletion of Danny McDermid have been reverted. It is surely not necessary to destroy all linkage when an article is deleted - that seems to me to be overkill. Thanks. Ref (chew) (do) 19:14, 1 October 2007 (UTC)
 * That's cool. WP:TWINKLE removes redlinks when it deletes articles automatically, though, so this isn't the last time, probably, that you'll be affected by someone who uses Twinkle to do deletions. -FisherQueen (Talk) 20:04, 1 October 2007 (UTC)


 * Thanks for your measured response, sorry to have commented unnecessarily, and I will be sure to refrain from posting to Twinkley users' talk pages about this sort of thing in future! Best wishes. Ref (chew) (do) 20:58, 1 October 2007 (UTC)
 * I'm sorry that my Twinkle use is not quite conforming with consensus on that page; I certainly don't care if you undo my changes on that page, or any other page with a similar situation. -FisherQueen (Talk) 22:33, 1 October 2007 (UTC)



Indeed
Heck, if this wasn't copywritten... I'd post it here to fulfill your kitten quotient.--Isotope23 talk 13:53, 2 October 2007 (UTC)

Chad Dukes
Good Lord! Give me more than a couple of minutes to complete the bios, why dontcha! I was setting up the disamb page. --Tischlerpaul 15:58, 2 October 2007 (UTC)
 * That's cool. I was just patrolling new pages, and we get non-notable radio personalities adding themselves to Wikipedia about once every ten minutes.  The tag I used gives five days before anything actually happens, you know. -FisherQueen (Talk) 16:00, 2 October 2007 (UTC)

My Bangla Space
I know I'm biting the new user (see their contribs), but I'm letting you know, just in case. Mister1nothing 16:12, 2 October 2007 (UTC) complain about me!
 * Sure, we don't bite the newbies, but that means that we explain to them politely why we're deleting their articles. Not that we leave their advertisements up in article space so as not to hurt their feelings. You did the right thing, and in using {prod} instead of {db-web}, you were more generous than I would have been. -FisherQueen (Talk) 16:14, 2 October 2007 (UTC)

The RickK Anti-Vandalism Barnstar

 * Aw, shucks. Thanks. -FisherQueen (talk · contribs) 15:58, 3 October 2007 (UTC)



Leave me alone
Leave me alone. Take my page off your watchlist. Just leave me in peace. Mikeyt817 20:30, 3 October 2007 (UTC)
 * No, I won't do that. I will, however, be happy to block you if you are unwilling to interact in a civil way with other editors, or if you continue overreacting when you are corrected in errors of policy.  Being blocked, you may find, is very peaceful. -FisherQueen (talk · contribs) 20:35, 3 October 2007 (UTC)

Why so nasty? I was very cordial to you. What's with the attitude? Mikeyt817 20:39, 3 October 2007 (UTC)
 * No, this is nasty. I've blocked you for 48 hours for, once again, responding to correction by vandalizing a userpage.  If you are not able to cope politely with correction from others, you will find Wikipedia very upsetting, but if you think you can learn better manners (and to stop vandalizing completely), then you're welcome to come back after the block and try again. -FisherQueen (talk · contribs) 21:03, 3 October 2007 (UTC)

User:Stencle
Hi, you blocked Stencle for a week. However, I think his relatively long history of vandalism proves that they're up to no good. Would you mind if I extended it up to indef?  bibliomaniac 1  5  00:12, 4 October 2007 (UTC)
 * No! No!  Not Stencle... Please, don't indefinitely rob us of the inestimable value of the contributions made by... never mind.  I forgot, I don't care what happens to him, because he's a expletive deleted vandal.  Carry on; feel free to increase the length to indef, or to something longer if it's available. -FisherQueen (talk · contribs) 00:14, 4 October 2007 (UTC)

FisherQueen
Please do not threaten me with a ban because you perceived a post of mine in a certain way, i very politly asked a user to not post on my talkpage, i even used please and thank you. Geoffrey the ninja carrot 11:20, 4 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Yes, when you were welcomed to Wikipedia, you immediately replaced the welcome with "Geoffrey the ninja carrot does not speak to mere mortals" and then told the user who welcomed you not to post on your talk page, the purpose of which is to allow other to communicate with you. It was, despite the please and thank you, very bad manners.  Of course, if you want to participate in writing the encyclopedia with us, you are still welcome to do so; many successful editors have started off badly. -FisherQueen (talk · contribs) 11:23, 4 October 2007 (UTC)


 * You are using 'weasel' words <--i think that's the term, i never 'told' the user not to post there, i made a request that he didn't. Please stop being negative and assume good faith. Geoffrey the ninja carrot 11:27, 4 October 2007 (UTC)
 * As I said in my message, it is entirely up to you, whether you choose to help write the encylopedia usefully or not. I see from your comment that you are not new to Wikipedia, although you have a new account.  What was your previous username? -FisherQueen (talk · contribs) 11:29, 4 October 2007 (UTC)


 * I was Anonymous before this account, but i was always Geoffrey the ninja carrot in my heart. And yes ofcourse i intend to edit Wikipeida in a contributing way, please assume good faith. Geoffrey the ninja carrot 11:32, 4 October 2007 (UTC)
 * I look forward, then, to seeing your useful contributions. -FisherQueen (talk · contribs) 11:33, 4 October 2007 (UTC)


 * Good, remember to always assume good faith. Geoffrey the ninja carrot 11:36, 4 October 2007 (UTC)
 * And as it says at WP:AGF, "This guideline does not require that editors continue to assume good faith in the presence of evidence to the contrary." -FisherQueen (talk · contribs) 11:38, 4 October 2007 (UTC)

And do you have any evidence on the contrary? It seems to me that you have attempted to pick a fight for reasons oblivious to me, please assume good faith. Geoffrey the ninja carrot 11:44, 4 October 2007 (UTC)
 * While you are cajoling FisherQueen to assume good faith, you may want to take the time to try and do the same yourself Geoffrey. Asking someone who placed a simple welcome message on your talkpage not to post on said talk page, even if done politely, isn't really in the spirit of WP:AGF.  If you don't like it... just delete and move on.--Isotope23 talk 12:19, 4 October 2007 (UTC)


 * I disagree, it's not like i was assuming bad faith when WODUP posted that, i simply requested he not post there on my talkpage as i wanted it to remain blank, i don't think that is related to WP:AGF to be honest.


 * But; i am sorry if you guys perceived what i meant wrong. Geoffrey the ninja carrot 12:30, 4 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Talk pages are for other users to communicate with you, so you won't be able to keep your talk page blank. Other users will use the talk page to communicate you, just as you're using this one to communicate with me.  If you want a blank page that no one that you ever posts on, Wikipedia talk pages are not a good choice.  -FisherQueen (talk · contribs) 12:48, 4 October 2007 (UTC)


 * Aye. I think this conversation is now beating a dead horse, but remember to assume good faith, especially as someone with moderator status. Geoffrey the ninja carrot 13:00, 4 October 2007 (UTC)
 * You keep using that phrase. I do not think it means what you think it means. -FisherQueen (talk · contribs) 13:02, 4 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Heh... I actually heard a spanish accent in my head when I read that. :) --Isotope23 talk 14:27, 4 October 2007 (UTC)
 * I have read the article through and i understand it, i just think that from looking at some of your contributions you need to follow this policy a little more, your initial comments can seem harsh to new users and it can sometimes confuse them further. Geoffrey the ninja carrot 13:17, 4 October 2007 (UTC)

Regarding your message -
Thats fine! Don't delete futurion power article, and ill stop. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Nick Tompson (talk • contribs) 12:53, 4 October 2007 (UTC)
 * I'm afraid that isn't how it works. Futurion Power Systems is inevitably going to be deleted, because it doesn't meet the notability requirements, and because you are apparently not able to make a polite and reasonable case, supported by reliable sources, for its inclusion.  The only question is whether you will also be blocked for your inappropriate edits or not.  -FisherQueen (talk · contribs) 12:58, 4 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Whatever. I tried politely, it got me no where, and nor is this. so i give up. i dont care anymore. also, phpBB article references it's own site. some equal opportunity here eh? or you just dont give that sorta thing to new wikipedians?
 * It's unfortunate, isn't it? You have all the same opportunities as other editors. You have the opportunity to create articles, to edit them, and to participate in discussion. But you've used those opportunities to advertise your own company, to insult other users, and not to learn enough about Wikipedia policy to prevent the deletion of the article you wrote. All the opportunity in the world will not help if you do not use your opportunities wisely. By the way, you keep pointing out another article, but that isn't really relevant to the question of whether this article meets the criteria. Wikipedia has two million articles, and we aren't quite finished reviewing them all yet. Are you interested in helping make the encyclopedia better? Or is your only interest in Wikipedia using it to promote yourself? -FisherQueen (talk · contribs) 13:06, 4 October 2007 (UTC)
 * FisherQueen, you are repeatedly threatening people with bans and blocks, please assume good faith, or atleast attempt to help the user, threatening them with blocks is not going to do anymore good than usual scare-tactics. Geoffrey the ninja carrot 13:03, 4 October 2007 (UTC)
 * It's not so much a threat. It's more cause and effect.  If you edit disruptively, you get blocked.  I try to help by letting people know that, just as a parent warns a child that, if she plays in the street, she will get hit by a car.  Of course, people who don't listen to helpful warnings have to bear the unpleasant consequences of their choices. -FisherQueen (talk · contribs) 13:06, 4 October 2007 (UTC)


 * I think that's a bad analogy, comparing new users to 'children' can be offensive. Geoffrey the ninja carrot 13:18, 4 October 2007 (UTC)
 * I notice that, not heeding my warning, this user has already been blocked, by some other admin who noticed his ongoing pattern of uncivil behavior. -FisherQueen (talk · contribs) 15:11, 4 October 2007 (UTC)
 * So what you're saying, then, is that someone ELSE'S mother caught him playing in traffic? - Philippe &#124; Talk 16:39, 4 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Some kids listen to their mommys' advice, and some kids have to actually eat grille before they learn. -FisherQueen (talk · contribs) 17:04, 4 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Except ofcourse this is Wikipedia and you just ban people indefinitly, not giving them the chance to 'learn' *shakes head* Geoffrey the ninja carrot 20:05, 4 October 2007 (UTC)
 * When was he banned indefinitely? No single admin has the power to ban, and I didn't see a discussion of banning him.  According to his log, he was blocked for 24 hours.  And not by me, of course, but by another admin, after he failed to take my warning seriously and kept on editing rudely.  He'll have the chance to learn after his block expires, if he wants to.  Or maybe he'll keep insulting people, and get a longer block next time; that's really up to him. FisherQueen (talk · contribs) 20:24, 4 October 2007 (UTC)

Please see
Hi FisherQueen, can you see this. You blocked the vandal account so bringing it to your notice. — Lost (talk) 13:58, 4 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Yes, I noticed that and was confused by it, but didn't have time to do anything about it before work. I'll be interested in hearing what that user has to say... it's a very strange situation. -FisherQueen (talk · contribs) 15:05, 4 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Here's the deal. When a user is re-named, and their old name moved, their former account evidently is "released" and thus, open to anyone to create, sadly. This seems to be a flaw in the system, refer to the ANI post regarding it. Duja proved beyond a doubt that this is indeed, true for a renamed user, creating the account of someone re-named, their former username. The initial block of (vandal re-created) Boricuaeddie wasn't done with creation disabled, so this vandal that created that account could create a string of bot accounts, which is what came up this morning. I think a Bureaucrat will need to fix that if Agüeybaná wants the old name safe. And, perhaps that could become part of the re-naming procedure, to avoid this in the future. Ariel ♥ Gold 15:13, 4 October 2007 (UTC)


 * Thanks for that link. I thought it was a little bizarre that a user so apparently upstanding could suddenly be responsible for a spree of pointless vandalism, and I'm glad that wiser heads than mine are on the case.  Then again, I have occasionally considered sacrificing my good reputation and unleashing an army of sockpuppets to spread my pov across the wiki... but fortunately, I have a firm rule against editing after more than one drink. -FisherQueen (talk · contribs) 15:17, 4 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Yeah, it is pretty scary, really. I mean, this means that anyone who has renamed, basically forfeits their old name, and it is open for creation by anyone. Now, it is bad enough that a vandal gets ahold of it, but that is easily fixed. Imagine if an innocent user ends up with the name from coincidence, and does a lot of editing under the name, and people think it is the other person not realizing they've renamed? Confusing situation, indeed, lol. Maybe you could bring it up at the next Admin meeting? ~*Giggle*~ Ariel ♥ Gold 15:19, 4 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Aha!! So that solves it... And now I am getting ideas just as I pour myself a second drink.. — Lost (talk) 15:22, 4 October 2007 (UTC)
 * ROFL! Here, let's pour one for Queen, too! Ariel ♥ Gold 15:26, 4 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Mmmm... cider. I love cider. -FisherQueen (talk · contribs) 15:55, 4 October 2007 (UTC)

Thanks
Thank you for the revert on my userpage :D AngelOfSadness  talk  17:48, 4 October 2007 (UTC)
 * A pleasure as always. -FisherQueen (talk · contribs) 18:26, 4 October 2007 (UTC)

crack me up!
I was cracking up when I read your message. Why did you think I was male? learnportuguese 21:50, 4 October 2007 (UTC)
 * ...I have no idea. But then, I can't shake my original impression that Isotope23 was female, either... somehow, I always picture him as a woman, then remember that he isn't one.  -FisherQueen (talk · contribs) 22:17, 4 October 2007 (UTC)


 * 'sokay, Merope thought I was girl, too. Happens almost every time I'm at a drive-through window shouting my order into the clown's head.  Invariably, the speaker crackles and says "Thank you ma'am".  I mean, I'm not the butchest thing around, but unless someone lied to me about anatony...   (It really does happen.  Really. And you people wonder why I am the way I am?  Oh god, I'm off to call my therapist.) 22:24, 4 October 2007 (UTC)  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Philippe (talk • contribs)  WHORE!
 * Philippe, I've always pictured you as male, but now that I know you better, this is how I choose to picture you. This, of course, is Isotope23.  And here's Learnportuguese.  In case you're curious, I look almost exactly like this. -FisherQueen (talk · contribs) 22:48, 4 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Well, I'm okay with that, presuming you aren't picturing me wearing that horrid checked shirt with a very nice tailored suit, like Marc St. James is. Gotta give a boy some point for fashion.  But what the hell, ain't least you're not picturing me like that!  - Philippe &#124; Talk 22:54, 4 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Psst, that wasn't a fair use image and shouldn't be used outside of the boundaries of acceptable fair use (i.e., on a talkpage).--Isotope23 talk 16:38, 5 October 2007 (UTC)
 * It's not my fault! It's Philippe's!  That's why I just used links to my images... block Philippe! -FisherQueen (talk · contribs) 16:58, 5 October 2007 (UTC)
 * I'll admit, the checkered shirt is not so good, and I'm not a big fan of the cardigan, either. But he works at a fashion magazine, so he must be more stylish than I am... -FisherQueen (talk · contribs) 22:58, 4 October 2007 (UTC)
 * And I have to confess that I actually look a bit more like this. But on the Internet, you can be hot if you want to. -FisherQueen (talk · contribs) 23:09, 4 October 2007 (UTC)
 * That's exactly what I told my first two boyfriends. - Philippe &#124; Talk 23:22, 4 October 2007 (UTC)
 * So now that I've actually read this thread, that is rather funny. A while back I ran a bunch of blogs I wrote through the gender genie and the vast majority came up as being written by a female; I apparently write like a girl.  I don't think I look quite so dour as Madam Curie usually looked... At least according to some rather nifty face recognition software, I most resemble Joshua Jackson with a beard (78% match) or George Clooney without (74% match).  The closest female match I got off a picture of myself was Christie Brinkley at 68%, which was rather weird for me because I had a huge crush on her back in the 80's. Other than that, if that is an accurate comparison of you FQ, it makes me kind of sorry I'm not female.--Isotope23 talk 17:31, 5 October 2007 (UTC)
 * It should also be noted that in my opinion at least, I look more like this guy than anyone else...--Isotope23 talk 17:47, 5 October 2007 (UTC)

what's your problem?
Kite-flying is fun, and can lead to scientific discoveries! ;-) - CobaltBlueTony 16:29, 5 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Yes. I myself have discovered, for example, that kites are still subject to gravity.-FisherQueen (talk · contribs) 16:57, 5 October 2007 (UTC)
 * As was I going to point out. Personally, I hate anything that flies. Will (talk) 22:07, 5 October 2007 (UTC)

picture
Someone said they had a picture of me on this talkpage. What is it like? learnportuguese 23:34, 5 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Briefly touched upon in the conversation above. -FisherQueen (talk · contribs) 02:48, 6 October 2007 (UTC)

User talk:Dr Jeffrey F. Cayzer
Hi, I see you blocked this user earlier, but I am wondering why you did so. This person does not appear to be notable in any way, and users are welcome to use their real names when editing. Only Usernames that match the name of a well-known living or recently deceased person are blockable, per WP:U. Cheers! -- lucasbfr talk 12:39, 6 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Nevermind, I checked the contribs and you are right :) -- lucasbfr talk 12:48, 6 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Yes, I thought that one would be pretty clear. Some kid using his headmaster's name to create disparaging articles about the guy... not, overall, very nice. -FisherQueen (talk · contribs) 13:13, 6 October 2007 (UTC)

Ageism

 * Ok then FisherQueen, if you are suggesting that anyone who has cuddled a little girl needs therapy then I guess everyone who has a daughter needs therapy, as surely they must have hugged a little girl at some point. That's an awful lot of people that need therapy, maybe I should become a psychiatrist instead of an investment banker. I don't see why wanting to look after a little girl indicates "desires that are inappropriate and wrong", I am disgusted at that to be honest. It is not creepy. Cuddle a grown up girl - that's fine, cuddle a small girl -thats creepy. What a load of bollocks. I don't really see why you can't show love and affection towards someone just because of their age, what utter discrimination. It's agist. Lorna is extremely sweet and more worthy of being cuddled than the vast majority of grown up girls who just want to have sex with you and not actually care about having something deeper. I don't know why you refer to my mother so much, but yes, she does know that I find that little girl (and other ones I know) to be very cute and sweet. Cosh curve 17:06, 6 October 2007 (UTC)
 * You said "I'd like to curl up with Abi and adore her." That is inappropriate. &mdash; AnemoneProjectors (会話) 20:36, 6 October 2007 (UTC)

Request to be blocked
YOUR A DIRTY FUCKING SLAPPER! YOU HAVE AIDS, HAHAHAHA!!! —Preceding unsigned comment added by Mij769 (talk • contribs)
 * Yes, I would be happy to block you. Thank you for putting the request here, instead of making it by vandalizing another article. -FisherQueen (talk · contribs) 22:00, 6 October 2007 (UTC)
 * LOL! Well played! -- But |seriously |folks  20:03, 7 October 2007 (UTC)
 * I think that user went from a new account to being blocked in less than half an hour, and his abuse was not particularly imaginative or amusing. I give him a D+, with points taken off because 'slapper' isn't coherent even as an insult. -FisherQueen (talk · contribs) 20:11, 7 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Before I take this to WP:VGR (Vandalism Grading Review), I thought you should see this page. (And no, I didn't know what it meant either until I looked it up.)  Maybe C-? -- <font color="White">But |<font color="White">seriously |<font color="White">folks   20:19, 7 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Oh! So it is a real insult; and I'm just experiencing one of those intercontinental communication rifts.  In that case, I'll raise it to a C-. -FisherQueen (talk · contribs) 20:20, 7 October 2007 (UTC)

Awww...
Lorna Fitzgerald is sweet and I want to snuggle up to her and cuddle her, with the rain pouring down outside the window at night time. She's well innocent and as pure as crystals of CuSO4 after rigourous filtration techniques. She's magical, sparkly, innocent, pure, sweet, snuggly, magical, cute, wonderful, cuddly, adorable and worshipable. I want to cuddle up to my lil' baby and look after her, and protect her. I'd kill anyone who hurts her. She's so cuddly. Awww. Innappropriate ? Yeah hardly. I don't see what's wrong with that, oh, yeah I need chemical castration just because I'm capable of showing a child, yes a child, some love, adoration, admiration, respect and adoring her. Don't children deserve to be loved too ? Projectors, why is wanting to curl up with her, just as a a parent may innocently curl up with their little girl, and adoring her,  an innopropriate statement. Are you all cold and dead inside ? Whenever I come up with anything like a convincing argument you just blank my comment, don't reply or leave a brief and banal comment. Shows you who's right. Hiphop sucks, nu metal and punk rock rule. I'm very good at differentiation and integration and linear algebra and analysis and set theory. Yeah man. Down with hiphop 00:32, 8 October 2007 (UTC)

Harassment
well, its not really me, its a room-mate who is having this problem, I said I would try and help out! The harassment is basically some guy from off Wikipedia seems to have a bizarre fixation with her! he managed to bother her so much she made what was interpreted as a "legal threat", because he broadcasted her place of employment by looking up her ip address, he also falsly accused her of being a "sock puppet", this claim was dismissed! however this guy (he seems like hes 12 or something!) immediatly went on a rip after the sock puppet claim was denied by admin and enlisted a couple of editors to harass her, putting up "sock puppet" again by broadcasting her workplace on an ip address (sorry if this is confusing to you) well sadly she took the bait and again threatened to talk to wiki admin about this, or to file a wiki alert about this abuse. In responce to this and to stop her from taking action he froze her account! and ip (hense calling me up to help!) when a wiki alert is clearly not a legal threat! what do you recommend ..I fear if this continues my friend is heading for a mental breakdown!

She is concerned because these couple of users have discussed her location on their talk pages, the fact that she does edits from a particular library in town. Maybe my friend is over-reacting but she recently had to go to court to get a peace bond against a boyfriend who was stalking her. Any advice? This is craziness! Maybe I should not get involved in all this, but this seems abusive! Also I did some research and it is a violation of wiki policy to threaten employment. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Libertybell01 (talk • contribs) 20:36, 7 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Can you link me to your friend's Wikipedia account? Is she using a username, or an IP address?  Either way, I'll need to be able to see the problem. -FisherQueen (talk · contribs) 20:39, 7 October 2007 (UTC)

Libertybell01 20:42, 7 October 2007 (UTC)by me helping out, or attempting to, is this going to block my ip as well, these guys seem a little vindictiveLibertybell01 20:42, 7 October 2007 (UTC)
 * You just gave me your own Wikipedia account; I can't look into it without hers. I assure you that I am a Wikipedia administrator, and if any administrator blocks you in a way that is a violation of Wikipedia policy, I will either unblock you myself or take the problem to the community to be fixed.  There's not really anything I can do to help if I don't know who you're talking about, though.   -FisherQueen (talk · contribs) 20:44, 7 October 2007 (UTC)

Libertybell01 20:46, 7 October 2007 (UTC)what is meant by Quacking, I really don't want trouble, or for someone to complain to my ip as well, I just want to help out but in the right way and to not cause troubleLibertybell01 20:46, 7 October 2007 (UTC)
 * I'll happily explain the quacking after I solve this problem. I don't understand what you expect me to do, though, if I don't know what user you are talking about.  I can't review her contributions or see who blocked her inappropriately if I don't know who she is.  -FisherQueen (talk · contribs) 20:49, 7 October 2007 (UTC)

Libertybell01 20:58, 7 October 2007 (UTC)http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Requests_for_checkuser/Case/Tweety21Libertybell01 20:58, 7 October 2007 (UTC) 1. Follow this link to see what this started out as. 2. From what I have been able to piece together from her excited conversations and these links is another user was unhappy that a "sock puppet" reveiw did not go his way, and went on a rip against her. I am sorry to bother you with this as it seems pretty crazy to me, so I can't see how you feel about it, I think this girl is headed for a mental breakdown. Maybe it's not my place to get involved, but the last thinng I want is for one of these people to contact my ip and complain that I too am an "abusive sock puppet", I'm sorry but I'm 28 and all this whole saga seems immature and bizarre to me, she is even talking about complaining to the local police about this (the revelation of her location, where she goes to the library) I just want to take the temperature down on this and for everyone to go their way. The other administrators were able to let this go, why is this guy persisting with driving my friend to the loony bin?

Libertybell01 21:02, 7 October 2007 (UTC)One more thingLibertybell01 21:02, 7 October 2007 (UTC) This was on the user "Preciuos Roys'" website

Libertybell01 21:03, 7 October 2007 (UTC)"Precious Roy is disenchanted with recent developments regarding an abusive editor who appears to have been allowed to skate away, and will be taking an extended wikibreak. He does, however, reserve the right to lurk and, perhaps, make the occasional edit here or there. His watch list has been stripped to the bone—troublemakers, go nuts!" This man seems to have issues with the fact that he feels she "got away" with something, it's like he thought this was the OJ Simpson trail or something. If you can't help with this, I understand, but this does not seem respectful to me.Libertybell01 21:03, 7 October 2007 (UTC) 21:08, 7 October 2007 (UTC) Re:Tweety21 "I have to say I'm a little disappointed that she's been unblocked so quickly, and without hearing from those involved in her Wikidrama. Please read my comments on her talk page." Precious Roy 21:19, 4 October 2007 (UTC)

This was left on another users Talk page. What is with this guy? Are alot of people on wiki this involved, it seems so weird.Libertybell01 21:08, 7 October 2007 (UTC)
 * I'm looking into the links you've given me now. Please- just sign your comments once, at the end, instead of signing at the beginning, middle, and end.  And if there are specific places you want me to see, links to them are more helpful than quotes from them. -FisherQueen (talk · contribs) 21:10, 7 October 2007 (UTC)

Libertybell01 21:13, 7 October 2007 (UTC) This may be beneficial, I will try and contact this user as well to see what she thinks, She seems to have tried to be neutral http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Incidents&diff=prev&oldid=162464087
 * I see the problem now. After you were blocked for acting inappropriately in AfD discussions, instead of accepting a short-term block, learning from it, and editing more appropriately, you tried to get around the block by creating new accounts.  You did this so much, and caused so many problems, that quite a few editors became involved in preventing you from creating new accounts.  The rules at Wikipedia don't allow you to create a new account to avoid the consequences of bad decisions with an old account, so you broke the rules by doing that.  I can see why you might have been shocked to discover that it isn't particularly difficult to identify where you are editing from; my advice to you is that you don't create any more new accounts.  You have a rather distinct editing style, so it's easy to tell when it's you, even when you have a new name.  I didn't even know about the situation with User:Tweety21 until you brought it to my attention, but I immediately saw that you have her unique editing style, and I'll recognize it right away if I see it again.  Your threat to call the police and report Wikipedia is, of course, rather silly, since anyone can use a whois program to identify the location of an internet user, not just on Wikipedia, and doing so isn't illegal at all.  I'm going to go ahead and block your account, since you aren't allowed to create new accounts, and I think it would be a good idea if you just stopped creating sockpuppet accounts and found a new hobby.  Knitting is getting trendy, I've heard. By the way, the "quacking" notes I put in my edit summaries, the ones that you asked about, were a reference to an old aphorism: "If it looks like a duck, and quacks like a duck, it probably is a duck."  I knew you were the sockpuppet of some editor avoiding a block from your first edit here; I just didn't know which one. -FisherQueen (talk · contribs) 21:25, 7 October 2007 (UTC)

Peter Zuckerman
Please note that my edits are not personal commrntary, but facts as outlined in references. if you would please point out specifically what you view in conflict please let me know. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 208.54.14.11 (talk) 22:15, 7 October 2007 (UTC)
 * The problem with your edits, as the warnings on your talk page say, is that they seem to violate the neutral point of view policy. You appear to be trying to make the subject look worse, instead describing why he is notable in a neutral way.  For example, putting "scare quotes" around his Poynter institute title in order to disparage his position there, or removing the word 'praise' to make it look like his writing has only received disapproval and not praise (when the sources say that he was widely praised for the articles), or by adding 'claims to' to make it look like he is not being honest about being harassed (when the sources confirm that he faced harassment).  My suggestion is that you don't rewrite the article in ways that are biased or that don't accurately reflect what the sources say. -FisherQueen (talk · contribs) 22:20, 7 October 2007 (UTC)

Thanks
You are my new favorite admin. That exchange with Libertybell01 was great. I was a little confused when she asked about quacking so your final comment in the thread was quite a payoff. Cheers! Precious Roy 22:42, 7 October 2007 (UTC)
 * I assumed you went back to the history and saw me quacking at her from her first comments... the story of the "roommate" who was unjustly blocked by a cabal of out-of-control admins was a little obvious, I thought. -FisherQueen (talk · contribs) 22:44, 7 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Wow -- one's dirty slapper to another's favorite admin in 24 hours. You go girl!!! -- <font color="White">But |<font color="White">seriously |<font color="White">folks   07:30, 8 October 2007 (UTC)
 * I have long been a fan of Queen's, even before we got to know each other. Her wonderful style of humor, mixed with good common sense, and knowledge of policy and procedure, is such a wonderful asset, a real breath of fresh air to a project that can sometimes suffer from too little humor and fun. Having humor and inserting it into situations can lighten the mood, and still get the job done quite effectively. Queen's talk page is a perfect example of this, and I for one, just love how she handles exchanges such as the above with Libertybell. But my dear Queen, where is my picture of a duck! <font color="8B00FF">Ariel <font color="F64A8A">♥ <font color="007FFF">Gold 07:44, 8 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Thank you for the kind words; I get a lot of entertainment from slapping down vandals and trolls, so much that it might say something unpleasant about my psyche. And you're absolutely right; there should have been a picture of a duck, and an appropriate one has now been added to the relevant discussion. -FisherQueen (talk · contribs) 10:41, 8 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Much better! ~*Giggle*~ <font color="8B00FF">Ariel <font color="F64A8A">♥ <font color="007FFF">Gold 11:25, 8 October 2007 (UTC)

My secret page
Hee hee! Thanks for the edit there. I created it ages ago as my Administrator Recall page. Also, the day you edited it was my three year Wikibirthday and my one year adminship anniversary, so it was a very nice present. Hope you're doing well. -- Merope 13:31, 8 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Happy anniversary. -FisherQueen (talk · contribs) 13:49, 8 October 2007 (UTC)

Gayness
Yes, im FisherQueen and i dont know the fucking rules! But im still an admin deleting articles for no reason and using the same rule to back it up over and over, even though that rule clearly says fiction is allowed —Preceding unsigned comment added by Joshyboy1000 (talk • contribs)
 * Could you please link me to the rule you found that says that you are permitted to create articles on subjects you made up, such as your article on Vegetable Kiev? I'm always interested in learning new rules; if the community has decided that Wikipedia isn't an encyclopedia any more, I'm a little surprised I haven't already heard about. By the way, your subject heading doesn't appear to have anything to do with the contents of your topic. If you are confused about what the word gay means, we have a very good article on the subject you could read. -FisherQueen (talk · contribs) 16:32, 8 October 2007 (UTC)

THE VEGETABLE KIEV IS REAL!!!!!!!!!!!!! it is an animal that exists near the Devils Punchbowl in south england, so SCREW you! —Preceding unsigned comment added by Joshyboy1000 (talk • contribs)
 * Regarding the first, I am happy to review your sources and reconsider the deletion. Regarding the second, as you accurately pointed out, I am gay, and so unlikely to screw a boy, even if he were over the age of 18, which you appear not to be. -FisherQueen (talk · contribs) 16:38, 8 October 2007 (UTC)

Just out of interest, youve given me my final warning, whats to stop me creating a new account??? asshole also, i never called you gay, just mearly titled this part Gayness, and i never asked you to screw an under 18 boy, i asked you to screw yourself —Preceding unsigned comment added by Joshyboy1000 (talk • contribs) 11:39, October 8, 2007
 * No, my rectum doesn't type well. As for the other... I think it'll be more fun for you to discover it on your own. And... I don't get how that last is an insult. Masturbation is lots of fun. Maybe you aren't quite old enough to have discovered it yet, but I assure you that you'll enjoy it. -FisherQueen (talk · contribs) 16:43, 8 October 2007 (UTC)

Dont worry, Ive discovered it, but i was telling you to cut your midget dick off and shove it up your ass, and i take it youll block my IP address from creating a new account?, well dont worry, I have a lot of computers in my house, bring it on, dickwipe
 * Okay. -FisherQueen (talk · contribs) 16:46, 8 October 2007 (UTC)
 * By the way, why do you keep assuming that I'm male, when my username and my comments to you make it clear that I'm female? Is it poor reading comprehension skills, or just the sexist assumption that there are no girls on the intarwebs? -FisherQueen (talk · contribs) 16:48, 8 October 2007 (UTC)
 * ~*Gasp*~ There are no girls allowed on the internet? Omigosh, nobody told me! Does this mean I can't be here anymore? <font color="8B00FF">Ariel <font color="F64A8A">♥ <font color="007FFF">Gold 16:53, 8 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Ahem. Girls are always welcome on my talk page.  -FisherQueen (talk · contribs) 16:56, 8 October 2007 (UTC)
 * [[Image:Face-smile-big.svg|25px]] As usual, you've brightened my morning, dear Queen! <font color="8B00FF">Ariel <font color="F64A8A">♥ <font color="007FFF">Gold 17:04, 8 October 2007 (UTC)
 * /me about died when I read "Masturbation is fun" in a discussion of Vegetable Kiev. And, by the way, isn't that picture actually Chicken Cordon-Bleu?  :-P  - Philippe &#124; Talk 17:10, 8 October 2007 (UTC)
 * No; cordon-bleu has ham and cheese (that's what I'm hungry for after looking at the picture!), and kiev has butter and herbs. Don't forget, vegetable kiev is a wild animal. Context is important, you know. -FisherQueen (talk · contribs) 17:12, 8 October 2007 (UTC)


 * But can you make a cordon bleu out of a properly dressed Vegetable Kiev? After reading the article I'm unclear if this is some sort of flightless fowl or just a mutant vegetable/mammal crossbread that happened when an amorous gerbil got into the lettuce patch.--Isotope23 talk 17:18, 8 October 2007 (UTC)
 * I don't see any culinary reason why you couldn't make a vegetable kiev cordon bleu. Might even be yummy.  And thank you so much for that gerbil image. -FisherQueen (talk · contribs) 17:21, 8 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Darn, I did not get to read the article about vegetable kiev! And I just about spit out my tea all over my keyboard when I read that image caption, lmao. <font color="8B00FF">Ariel <font color="F64A8A">♥ <font color="007FFF">Gold 17:26, 8 October 2007 (UTC)
 * If I had even a whit of artistic ability I'd get right on drawing a picture of a cornbil... and corn is a better partner anyway. Works perfectly into my "crossbread" typo.--Isotope23 talk 17:32, 8 October 2007 (UTC)
 * I can't help noticing that our original troll, who assured me that he'd just create another username and be right back, hasn't yet joined in the conversation. I guess he changed his mind... or maybe he found that it wasn't quite as easy as he'd assumed. -FisherQueen (talk · contribs) 17:35, 8 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Autoblock is a bitch goddess eh?--Isotope23 talk 17:37, 8 October 2007 (UTC)
 * When will these kids learn... you just can't mess with us? We're older, and smarter, and frankly, we're more attractive. -FisherQueen (talk · contribs) 17:39, 8 October 2007 (UTC)
 * This talk page has absolutely sunk to into ritual depravity. I like it.  Now I need to go order some Chicken Cordon-Bleu from 742-DINE for lunch.  And, about that troll... auto-block is our friend.  Btw, did you see that our OTHER troll friend asked for an unblock?  Summarily Declined.  - Philippe &#124; Talk 17:40, 8 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Er... which one? I just checked in on several of my recent favorites, but I think I missed it. -FisherQueen (talk · contribs) 17:44, 8 October 2007 (UTC)
 * The one who's into pre-pubescent girls. On his sockmaster account... User talk:Ln of x.  - Philippe &#124; Talk 17:57, 8 October 2007 (UTC)
 * You know, I didn't even check that one... it never occurred to me that he would care about an unblock, when he seems to have so much fun making sockpuppets. I made sockpuppets for my sister's school project once, of the characters in Great Expectations.  It was fun, tea-dying the lace and gluing it on Miss Havisham, and finding just the right buttons for her eyes.  Oh, and you're right- that request is pretty funny.   Maybe he's realizing that he can't actually get anywhere, ever.  Maybe our little troll is growing up. Or maybe it's because we've started removing his comments without engaging him, which is kind of boring for him.  Or maybe he met a real, live little girl to seduce... ew.  I hope it's a or b, and not c. -FisherQueen (talk · contribs) 18:00, 8 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Yeah, for a while there, I figured it was better that he harassed us than other folks. Then he just began to bore me.  Not exactly into witty reparte, and the victim mentality got old after a bit.  Oh yeah, I hope he hasn't actually found a little girl to cuddle.  I think I just threw up a lil, in my mouth.  Nothing against females, you see, just when they're ...what, 8 or 9?... it starts to get creepy.  - Philippe &#124; Talk 18:05, 8 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Yeah Philippe, stick to the 10 year olds . . . ;-)  -- <font color="White">But |<font color="White">seriously |<font color="White">folks   19:57, 8 October 2007 (UTC)
 * I'd like to officially say, ick. I work with twelve and thirteen year olds every day.  They aren't attractive.  At all.  In any way.  Just yuck. -FisherQueen (talk · contribs) 19:59, 8 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Do I hear 14? 14 . . . 14 . . . going once . . . -- <font color="White">But |<font color="White">seriously |<font color="White">folks   20:42, 8 October 2007 (UTC)

Tim
Hi there! Regarding this, you either need to remove the entry (if the subject is non-notable and should not have an article), or leave the link red (if an article can be created later), or to point the link elsewhere. Removing the link but leaving the entry leaves does not really solve anything. I can't make the decision because I've never heard of these books, but perhaps you could? Thanks!—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); 17:28, 8 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Sorry; Twinkle removes the links automatically. I wasn't sure; the article I deleted was sheer nonsense, and doesn't have anything to do with those books; that entry was on the Tim page before the troll made the article.  Feel free to delete it if google doesn't show any evidence that the books are real or significant. -FisherQueen (talk · contribs) 17:31, 8 October 2007 (UTC)
 * They appear to be real and possible notable as well.--Isotope23 talk 17:35, 8 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Might want to change the link to Tim (book series) or some such. It's OK if it's going to be red.—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); 17:36, 8 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Yeah, good call.--Isotope23 talk 17:40, 8 October 2007 (UTC)

*sigh*
Do you ever see articles that you want to delete with the deletion reason being "No. Just... no."? Here's one. -- Merope 17:53, 8 October 2007 (UTC)
 * I don't know... there are plenty of articles about soap opera characters that are pretty much like that. There are probably existing articles about those characters.  With, you know, last names in the title.  I don't think it's worthy of a redirect, though.  -FisherQueen (talk · contribs) 17:56, 8 October 2007 (UTC)
 * And since when do we not capitalize proper names? - Philippe &#124; Talk 18:06, 8 October 2007 (UTC)
 * I'll bet you two cents that the creator didn't use any caps at all, but Wiki autocapped the first letter. -FisherQueen (talk · contribs) 18:07, 8 October 2007 (UTC)
 * I hope anyone can add pictures. Your user talk page has been a delight as of late.  -- Merope 18:11, 8 October 2007 (UTC)
 * "And what's with all the carrots? What do they need such good eyesight for anyway?"  You are welcome to put helpful illustrations on my talk page whenever you feel that they're called for, as the bunny certainly was. And I knew you would get the reference in my edit summary. -FisherQueen (talk · contribs) 18:17, 8 October 2007 (UTC)
 * The boyfriend and I are working through the whole series -- it's his first time. We just watched the musical last week and it was a delight to watch him watching it.  Of course, now we're up to Seeing Red and I can't really make us watch it.  *sniffle*  -- Merope 18:19, 8 October 2007 (UTC)
 * By the way, there's a reason I have nothing better to do than search the Commons for pictures of gerbils in suggestive poses with vegetables. I'm not just a slacker. -FisherQueen (talk · contribs) 18:19, 8 October 2007 (UTC)
 * I will, never, ever forgive Joss for Tara. But I did learn about his plan to bring her back, and it would have been beautiful, and that he tried makes me soften towards him a tiny bit.-FisherQueen (talk · contribs) 18:20, 8 October 2007 (UTC)
 * ...and I'll never forgive Joss for not casting Paul Reubens from the original movie.--Isotope23 talk 19:48, 8 October 2007 (UTC)
 * I also have problems with the Spike/Buffy scene triggering me. And ... huh, there's not a Wiki article on the concept of triggers.  Unless I'm mistaken?  Anyway, I'll probably just watch it like I watched The Body -- a bottle of red wine in one hand and a box of tissues in the other.  Also -- have you been reading the comics?  They're delightful.  -- Merope 18:25, 8 October 2007 (UTC)

Hrmm... so, you are supposed to be taking a test, and instead you are explaining policy to new editors? Or you are taking the test, but you're so awesome you're through early and are on your laptop? Or, you're giving the test to students, and bored out of your mind... Hrmmm, which one could it be... <font color="8B00FF">Ariel <font color="F64A8A">♥ <font color="007FFF">Gold 18:26, 8 October 2007 (UTC)
 * That would be the third answer. All my papers are graded, my test is written, my desk is tidy, and here I am. -FisherQueen (talk · contribs) 18:28, 8 October 2007 (UTC)
 * You're a teacher? Cool! Duh.. smack me I've only read your userpage about 20 times, and still didn't connect it... I think it is past my bedtime, lol. And Merope, Emotional trigger could probably redirect to Psychological trauma. lol <font color="8B00FF">Ariel <font color="F64A8A">♥ <font color="007FFF">Gold 18:30, 8 October 2007 (UTC)
 * I'm not sure that Emotional trigger would correctly redirect to Psychological trauma; they aren't really the same thing, are they? It might be an interesting subject for an article, come to think of it. And... yes. I'm a teacher.  Which is why some days, the kids are taking boring tests and you see lots of me, and other days, we're discussing something and you hardly see me at all. -FisherQueen (talk · contribs) 18:53, 8 October 2007 (UTC)-FisherQueen (talk · contribs) 18:53, 8 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Well, Psychological trauma discusses emotional triggers pretty extensively, so until the article exists it would be a good redirect, lol. And yeah I have noticed how you're here a lot some days, and not others, but as I said, my tired brain did not put 2 and 2 together... (No I didn't fail math, I just have a headache, lol) Anyway, night night. <font color="8B00FF">Ariel <font color="F64A8A">♥ <font color="007FFF">Gold 18:56, 8 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Oh- and yes, I have been enjoying the comics. If you haven't yet, search Dark Horse Comics's MySpace page for his online comic, Sugarshock.  It's... adorable. -FisherQueen (talk · contribs) 19:51, 8 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Dark Horse... must resist urge... falling back into comic book fandom... noooo... Grendel Rulez!--Isotope23 talk 19:56, 8 October 2007 (UTC)
 * I'm on my way to the comic book store after the bell rings tonight. I've got a hankering for a few volumes of Transmetropolitan... and possibly some McNuggets. -FisherQueen (talk · contribs) 20:00, 8 October 2007 (UTC)
 * I've never seen Transmetropolitan, but it looks cool. In years past I was a big Vertigo fan (Doom Patrol in particular).  You can keep the McNuggets though  :).  I won't bore anyone with my natural food rant.--Isotope23 talk 20:04, 8 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Yeah, but the thing about natural food is... it tastes like shit. I have a weak spot for heavily processed food.  I also love Chef Boyardee.  -FisherQueen (talk · contribs) 20:17, 8 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Not necessarily... I can make organic chicken nuggets that are out of this world; just without trans fats. They are still deep fried goodness though.--Isotope23 talk 21:37, 8 October 2007 (UTC)

A grammar query
wuts wrong w/ aposterphes? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Robotsamtheanswerman (talk • contribs)
 * Not a thing. They're very useful.  But putting four of them in a row and naming them 'tildes' won't sign your comment. By the way, you can just put your comment at the bottom of the page; blanking my talk page could be interpreted as vandalism.  -FisherQueen (talk · contribs) 18:15, 8 October 2007 (UTC)

How do you delete bad opinionated pages you make?
doctorrob1234 —Preceding unsigned comment added by Doctorrob1234 (talk • contribs) 20:33, 8 October 2007 (UTC)
 * You can't. Only administrators get the 'delete' button.  Oh, the power! :)  If a page you created is tagged for deletion, as Russian Cyber Attack on Estonia – Jose Nazario, you can either relax and wait for it to be deleted, or if you agree that it should be, you can add a  tag to the top of the article to let admins know that you think so.  -FisherQueen (talk · contribs) 20:35, 8 October 2007 (UTC)
 * I'm assuming that's the article you're talking about; notice that it's already been deleted by me after you requested deletion. -FisherQueen (talk · contribs) 20:36, 8 October 2007 (UTC)

Guinea pigs
Guess which cute and cuddly fictional character keeps guinea pigs! &mdash; AnemoneProjectors (会話) 23:32, 8 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Really? It's a British show, I guess- I've never seen it.  That's a funny coincidence... I don't suppose it will lead to any Nameless Horrors.  Maybe. Are we talking about, in one episode she had a guinea pig in a cage in the room, or are we talking about, she breeds large numbers of them and sells them for their meat and pelts?  -FisherQueen (talk · contribs) 01:03, 9 October 2007 (UTC)
 * The show is EastEnders and the character is Abi Branning. She used to have a hamster or something, called Rolf or Ralph, but it died so she got a guinea pig called Marge to replace it. Then she and her family went on holiday and her half-brother was left to look after Marge, but he thought he'd thrown her out in the garbage so he replaced her with an identical guinea pig. Then Abi came back off her hols and Marge turned up so there were two Marges! Marge 1 and Marge 2! Then it turned out Marge 2 was male so they had baby Marges! The last one died but Abi managed to save its life! Now that's magical! ;) Anyway she's given away the babies now... awwww... &mdash; AnemoneProjectors (会話) 09:36, 9 October 2007 (UTC)
 * And people watch this shit on purpose? Are they, like, stuck in nursing home lounges, unable to change the channel?  Bleah.  That sounds just as boring as US soap operas.  Now, if she attached laser beams to them and trained them to kill, then we might have something. -FisherQueen (talk · contribs) 09:49, 9 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Or... I could crossbread a guinea pig with a Vampire Watermelon and create the ultimate killing machine... something capable of defeating both the much lauded Vegetable Kiev and the mythical laser shark. I call it the Isotope23 equation, represented graphically as follows:
 * [[Image:Iris Guinea Pig.JPG|178px]] + [[Image:Vampire watermelon.jpg|108px]] = [[Image:Cthulhu and R'lyeh.jpg|100px]]
 * Isotope23 talk 12:47, 9 October 2007 (UTC)
 * See? Now that's a soap opera that I'd watch. -FisherQueen (talk · contribs) 13:00, 9 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Perhaps you should email the producers and let them know your idea :) &mdash; AnemoneProjectors (会話) 13:15, 9 October 2007 (UTC)
 * I've already got a pitch in. K'tulu finds out that his girlfriend Yhoundeh wasn't on a business trip in Boise, Idaho with her friend Misty, but was really on Blake's yacht on a romantic trip to the Bahamas. Zstylzhemghi finds out that Yog Sothoth isn't really the father of her child Tsathoggua... but who is? Rlim Shaikorth finally rids himself of the heretic priests of Thasaidon (who were living in his pool house).  Finally Quachil Uttaus gets a makeover... and now a word from our sponsors.--Isotope23 talk 13:17, 9 October 2007 (UTC)
 * This is the BBC, we don't have sponsors! &mdash; AnemoneProjectors (会話) 17:35, 9 October 2007 (UTC)
 * No commercials? That does it, I'm moving to England. -FisherQueen (talk · contribs) 17:43, 9 October 2007 (UTC)
 * What they do have however is a "television licensing" system. I actually had a representative of the licensing administration show up at my flat to search for a TV when I declined to pay the fee because I didn't own a television.  I'll take those insipid Geico commercials over a home invasion any day.--Isotope23 talk 17:56, 9 October 2007 (UTC)

AWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW. Isn't Abi just so cuddly and adorable. Lorna loves animals in real life too. Cute and cuddly. She is sparkly and magical. AWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW Linear algebra 11:16, 10 October 2007 (UTC)

Nameblock
Did you mean to block this for a year? Name blocks are normally indefinite, see. Rlevse 17:06, 9 October 2007 (UTC)
 * I didn't block him for his username, I blocked him for his vandalism. Do you think he should be indeffed for the name as well? -FisherQueen (talk · contribs) 17:22, 9 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Absolutely. It's an "attack" name. Plus, it appears to be vandal only account, which also warrants an indef block.Rlevse 17:35, 9 October 2007 (UTC)
 * It's done. I guess that I just don't, in general, read 'gay' as an insult, though you're right that it was certainly intended as one. -FisherQueen (talk · contribs) 17:42, 9 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Yes, it was. That's why I looked at contribs. Now if this user had made a user page with a bunch of LGBT userboxes and had constructive contribs,that'd be different, because he/she would be saying "I'm gay and proud of it", but such was not the case here, here it was intended as an attack and was nothing but vandalism.Rlevse 17:51, 9 October 2007 (UTC)
 * He is gay, just closeted and self-loathing. Isn't that true of most such vandals?  Maybe by the time his block expires in a year, he'll be able to say with pride, "Yes!  Miguel IS gay!  And we've been dating for three months!  Hoorah!"  ...nah, probably not. -FisherQueen (talk · contribs) 17:57, 9 October 2007 (UTC)
 * How do you know he is gay? Possibilities: Miguel created the account and is self-loathing, XYZ created account to insult Miguel, XYZ created it to out Miguel, Miguel created it to show his pride (but not likely since it's a vandal acct). For me, I instantly thought it was an attack account because 99% of similar usernames have been such; only a few were in the category of proclaiming one's pride in self. Rlevse 18:03, 9 October 2007 (UTC)
 * The guy who is obsessively worried about gayness, perceives it in his friends, makes a lot of noise about how disgusting it is... there's often a reason that guy is so worried about gayness. Look at Ted Haggard, or Larry Craig.  Poor souls, I feel sorry for them.  And block them. -FisherQueen (talk · contribs) 18:07, 9 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Anecdotally, the guys I grew up with that made the most effort to be "manly" and constantly characterized others "gay" are, by and large now out. The ones that aren't, I'm still expecting the phone call any year now.--Isotope23 talk 18:14, 9 October 2007 (UTC)

Captain Richard Avery Hornsby
Dear FisherQueen - I just wanted to say thankyou very much for your support over this page. I really have appreciated your help, guidance and support. I've now set up a couple of new pages on other unsung heroes too... here's hoping that they don't go through the mill like this one!!Cheers! Seahamlass 11:46, 10 October 2007 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Seahamlass (talk • contribs)
 * No problem. Just remember to keep your temper as you learn your way around; there's a lot to learn, and conflicts are inevitable. -FisherQueen (talk · contribs) 12:11, 10 October 2007 (UTC)

Need your opinion!
Hi there! I've got a question which hopefully you can answer. I believe you are an admin, yet you also tagged The Limns. Why didn't you just delete the article? (My guess is that some articles are borderline, and thus letting another admin judge is a good idea). I don't mean to be critical in this question of what you did, but I'm interested to hear your reasoning. Ciao (for now)! Phgao 13:59, 10 October 2007 (UTC)
 * I think that band is almost certainly non-notable, but if there's any possibility of notability, it seems to me like good manners to tag it first, then go back and delete it in a little while, so that if there is an assertion of notability that can be made, a new user can learn how to make it.  If another admin doesn't beat me to it, I'll return and delete it a bit later on. -FisherQueen (talk · contribs) 14:14, 10 October 2007 (UTC)
 * ...and I see that NawlinWiki has indeed beaten me to it, which is fine. -FisherQueen (talk · contribs) 14:16, 10 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Ah that's actually very good, as it gives users a bit more time to assert potential notability, and AGF in users. Thanks for the clarification! Phgao 14:22, 10 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Rofl, that's nice... very nice indeed :) Phgao 14:33, 10 October 2007 (UTC)

Frank Palumbo
I am confused. I just got this from you saying that there was a prod on Frank Palumbo.

However, there isn't one there and the notice showed up while I was in the middle of creating the article!

What's the story?

Mdbrownmsw 15:35, 10 October 2007 (UTC)
 * That is weird. I prodded it because none of the refs that were on it when I looked were actually about Palumbo, but the prod seems not to have been placed.  Edit conflict, maybe?  At any rate, you seem to have expanded it considerably since I last saw it. -FisherQueen (talk · contribs) 15:39, 10 October 2007 (UTC)
 * I took the liberty of fixing your broken reference list while I was checking ... -FisherQueen (talk · contribs) 15:40, 10 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the clarification and the clean ups!
 * Mdbrownmsw 15:47, 10 October 2007 (UTC)
 * I've worked extensively on the references now: many of the articles may not seem to be about Frank Palumbo, but in reality actually do. I live in the Philly area, so I know the guy's name, same as Frank Rizzo. - CobaltBlueTony 16:39, 10 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Yeah, I wasn't planning to restore the prod after I saw the additional context you'd added. -FisherQueen (talk · contribs) 16:40, 10 October 2007 (UTC)

Please block. Thanks. - CobaltBlueTony 19:49, 10 October 2007 (UTC)
 * I see that it's already taken care of, so I'll just claim credit. -FisherQueen (talk · contribs) 19:56, 10 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Hmm, I'm gonna miss that guy. We barely had a chance to get to know each other.  Good block FQ!--Isotope23 talk 19:57, 10 October 2007 (UTC) [[Image:Pacific Princess 1987.jpg|thumb|right|Bon Voyage Moviedirector08!]][[Image:Chaise réal.jpg|thumb|right|His little chair fits comfortably on deck.  Don't forget the sunscreen!]]
 * He's right, too. I am a bitch.  But the last time I checked, I still have the right to delete "his" band advertisement anyway.  Goodbye, sweet Moviedirector08, we hardly knew ye... -FisherQueen (talk · contribs) 19:59, 10 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Not just a bitch, he says . . . -- <font color="White">But |<font color="White">seriously |<font color="White">folks  20:01, 10 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Yes, he said a fucking bitch, but tragically, I'm not fucking nearly as much as I might like, at the moment. It's okay; I get plenty of rest, and the other will come along in God's good time. -FisherQueen (talk · contribs) 20:21, 10 October 2007 (UTC)
 * [[Image:Face-surprise.svg|25px]] <font color="8B00FF">Ariel <font color="F64A8A">♥ <font color="007FFF">Gold 20:26, 10 October 2007 (UTC)
 * For what it's worth, I don't think you're a fucking bitch. A bitch, probably, but I think that's kind of sexy in its own way. - Philippe &#124; Talk 21:33, 10 October 2007 (UTC)

Peru Surfing
Hi, I've added a number of sources since you last commented on "Who invented surfing" I'd appreciate your looking at the new documents especially #4. Also, Henning has written a lot about surfing including one book about Polynesia...his reseach indicates Peru as the origin and is generally accepted in the most of "Knowledgable" surfing community. The authors and their credentials of Document 4 are a sign of this acceptance. Surfmac2004 21:17, 10 October 2007 (UTC)
 * I'm afraid that, no matter what sources you've added, my opinion is the same as it was- information about the history of surfing, in my opinion, would be more useful as a good section of the main Surfing article, rather than in a fork with a title people are unlikely to search for in the search box. -FisherQueen (talk · contribs) 21:21, 10 October 2007 (UTC)

Hi
Thanks for the help wit Marci, its needed —Preceding unsigned comment added by Marci Bowers Helper (talk • contribs) 21:25, 10 October 2007 (UTC)
 * I was glad to find enough references about Marci Bowers to save it from speedy deletion, but it isn't immune from a community deletion discussion. It could really use more development, especially details about why she is important.  Has she distinguished herself in her medical field?  Or is she important to transsexual history?  That's the kind of information that would really help.  Take a look at the article on Christine Jorgensen to see what a more developed article might look like. -FisherQueen (talk · contribs) 21:28, 10 October 2007 (UTC)

I am new and really want to help Marci, could you help me? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Marci Bowers Helper (talk • contribs) 21:37, 10 October 2007 (UTC)
 * What other questions do you have? -FisherQueen (talk · contribs) 21:40, 10 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Gang, she really could use some help on this one, looking at her contribs. If anyone want to take a stab at it, be my guest... I gotta go. -FisherQueen (talk · contribs) 21:44, 10 October 2007 (UTC)
 * ✅ Take a look at it now. <font color="8B00FF">Ariel <font color="F64A8A">♥ <font color="007FFF">Gold 22:36, 10 October 2007 (UTC)

I just want a wiki which is good and stays up, lol. Thanks for the help, oh and im male, but i'll let you off. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Marci Bowers Helper (talk • contribs) 17:47, October 10, 2007
 * Nice work, ArielGold! It looks much better. -FisherQueen (talk · contribs) 10:32, 11 October 2007 (UTC)
 * ~*Blush*~ Thank you Queen! That's actually kind of my specialty, cleaning up references, putting them into inline citation templates, formatting articles per MOS, etc., back end invisible work mostly, but I do like how it helps the article's readability. <font color="8B00FF">Ariel <font color="F64A8A">♥ <font color="007FFF">Gold 14:34, 11 October 2007 (UTC)

Thanks everyone, marci is very proud. lets keep it up! —Preceding unsigned comment added by Marci Bowers Helper (talk • contribs) 20:05, 11 October 2007 (UTC)

U2's twelfth studio album
I could see this was speedy deleted as per result of an AfD in May. I'm not sure if you had looked at the talk page of the article, there was another AfD (the article name was different because the page was moved) in June which resulted in a "keep", thus it shouldn't have been a CSD G4. I think the deleted content looked fine with relevant and reliable sources. Could you please look over the page again when you have some time? Regards, PeaceNT 16:10, 11 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Thank you for drawing the later AfD to my attention; I have restored the article. Are you absolutely sure this "U2" band meets WP:MUSIC, though?  Sounds like just some Irish garage band to me. :) -FisherQueen (talk · contribs) 18:17, 11 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Yeah, sounds pretty fishy, you sure this isn't a giant WP:HOAX, Queen? I seem to recall seeing a picture of a garage the other day... maybe this entry was inspired by that? <font color="8B00FF">Ariel <font color="F64A8A">♥ <font color="007FFF">Gold 18:27, 11 October 2007 (UTC)

Fair use rationale for Image:Tipton_portrait.jpg
Thanks for uploading or contributing to Image:Tipton_portrait.jpg. I notice the image page specifies that the image is being used under fair use but there is no explanation or rationale as to why its use in Wikipedia articles constitutes fair use. In addition to the boilerplate fair use template, you must also write out on the image description page a specific explanation or rationale for why using this image in each article is consistent with fair use. Suggestions on how to do so can be found here.

Please go to the image description page and edit it to include a fair use rationale. Using one of the templates at Fair use rationale guideline is an easy way to ensure that your image is in compliance with Wikipedia policy, but remember that you must complete the template. Do not simply insert a blank template on an image page.

If you have uploaded other fair use media, consider checking that you have specified the fair use rationale on those pages too. You can find a list of 'image' pages you have edited by clicking on the "my contributions" link (it is located at the very top of any Wikipedia page when you are logged in), and then selecting "Image" from the dropdown box. Note that any non-free media lacking such an explanation will be deleted one week after they have been uploaded, as described on criteria for speedy deletion. If you have any questions please ask them at the Media copyright questions page. Thank you. Rettetast 21:51, 11 October 2007 (UTC)


 * Thank you for pointing this out. I have added what I hope is an acceptable rationale. -FisherQueen (talk · contribs) 11:13, 12 October 2007 (UTC)

LGBT WikiProject Newsletter
Delivered on 17:31, 11 October 2007 (UTC).

Creepy Crawler is back.
Based on contributions, User talk:Voyager Bogg is the same sock I've been playing with for months now. The barefoot guy. Can you do anything? WLU 10:27, 12 October 2007 (UTC)


 * Is that the rollback function I've heard so much about or manual? I'll be going through VB's contribs once he/she is offline and repairing what doesn't belong.  Thanks!  WLU 11:12, 12 October 2007 (UTC)


 * I indef blocked this sock, and yes, that was the admin's sexy 'rollback' function quickly undoing his edits. Thanks for noticing this and fixing it.  This is, without a doubt, the oddest troll I have encountered.  -FisherQueen (talk · contribs) 11:14, 12 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Wow, he's been a busy little imp, hasn't he? -FisherQueen (talk · contribs) 11:19, 12 October 2007 (UTC)


 * Indeed. I think foot fetishist, but I could be wrong.  The 'creepy' (ha!) associations with barefootedness (helplessness, fleeing from danger and physical harm, nudity) don't help much.  One thing I do however, I generally leave his 'category' contributions alone, for the most part they look OK.  I don't know if this is a policy violation or not, but I figure might as well milk what good I can from his actions.
 * By the way, the only sexier use of a rollback function I've ever seen is from Isotope23. Gives me goosebumps it does.  Yes I know you're reading this Isotope.  In real life, I'm waving at you, hello!
 * FisherQueen has the best talk page, 98.539% funner than then next most fun page on wikipedia. WLU 13:58, 12 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Even though his category changes are mostly harmless, I rolled back all his edits from this account. Partly because banned editors aren't allowed to edit at all, and partly because I couldn't be arsed to actually review all his contribs.  -FisherQueen (talk · contribs) 14:10, 12 October 2007 (UTC)
 * What in the world makes you think I'm constantly keeping an eye on FQ's talkpage? Ah, shit.
 * Were I doing a top 10 list of most peculiar vandals, Creepy would be in the top 5.--Isotope23 talk 14:20, 12 October 2007 (UTC)

Really? Top 5? I somehow feel more special now. I've also seen other editors dispute his cateogry additions, they appear worthwhile after a very superficial look-over and I can't be arsed to read up on WP:CAT. I hate categories. I also don't really feel that wikipedia is a better place because of some cats being added, particularly when many of them are dubious placements of Category:Fictional nudists. If other editors watching the pages feel that CC's contribs of cats are worth keeping, the undo feature is always there. WLU 14:48, 12 October 2007 (UTC)
 * I had no idea that Category:Fictional nudists existed. I do not approve. -FisherQueen (talk · contribs) 14:56, 12 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Yes... top 5. Were this not so public a forum I'd go into more detail, but I don't want to glorify (or for that matter publicly disparage) the other editors I've run across that I personally would consider even more peculiar.  I will say thought that FQ has dealt with one of them, 2 I've had extensive dealings with but I suspect neither of you have run across them, and #1 is someone I've only peripherally encountered, but he is by far the strangest of them all.--Isotope23 talk 16:09, 12 October 2007 (UTC)
 * I feel confident that I have guessed which editor we've both met who you consider odder; it really is a judgement call, as, if my guess is correct, they're both very odd. -16:10, 12 October 2007 (UTC)
 * You're right... it's the Snuggle bear (curses fair use... otherwise I'd post a picture)!
 * Not to completely change the topic, but I've always wondered if your username was a reference to this (which I always assumed it was, probably because I'm a big Gilliam fan) or the original arthurian legend.--Isotope23 talk 16:17, 12 October 2007 (UTC)
 * When I originally started using it, lo these many years ago, it was a reference to the movie. As I grew older and more well-read, I continued using it because I enjoyed the Arthurian reference as well. -FisherQueen (talk · contribs) 16:18, 12 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Fair enough... It's really the same situation with my username. I started using it for one reason, then I realized that the only stable Isotope23 is Sodium...which is arther fitting in some ways.
 * You know, the first time I saw your username, I was suddenly struck with a vision of Michael Jeter singing "I Love New York".--Isotope23 talk 16:27, 12 October 2007 (UTC)
 * I'm afraid I picture Robin Williams singing Lydia the Tattooed Lady more often, when I think of that movie. It's been years and years since I've seen it... I should go buy it on DVD. -FisherQueen (talk · contribs) 16:31, 12 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Ah, I need to do that as well. It's one of the only movies I still have on VHS (along with Cemetery Man because it's never been released on region 1 DVD, and my Stanley Kubrick collection... because I just never got around to upgrading it).--Isotope23 talk 16:33, 12 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Oooo, the wikipedia article says it has been. Time to research that.--Isotope23 talk 16:35, 12 October 2007 (UTC)

I feel I should contribute, since I started the section and I'm a desperate seeker of attention. I think both your names are excellent. Though I had guessed that I23 was a reference to potassium. Personally, I think tungsten is the best, because it's old name is wolfram and it's got an incredibly high melting point. Yay for obscure trivia :) Now I've got work to do.  Thanks for the assistance as usual, it's nice to see admins taking time out of their cabaling to help the wanna-be cabalists.  WLU 16:35, 12 October 2007 (UTC)
 * I'm a fan of technetium myself. Poor little thing's so weird and unstable, it must have been teased horribly when it was growing up.  It so tries to be like the heavier elements, but it's so small, I'm sure they don't give it the time of day.  And the other elements its size don't let it hang with them either, because it just can't sit still like they do.  If I were an element, I'd be technetium! -- <font color="White">But |<font color="White">seriously |<font color="White">folks   16:51, 12 October 2007 (UTC)
 * You are always welcome in my secret cabal... there's a link to it on this page. :) -FisherQueen (talk · contribs) 16:56, 12 October 2007 (UTC)
 * ~*Grin*~ <font color="8B00FF">Ariel <font color="F64A8A">♥ <font color="007FFF">Gold 17:02, 12 October 2007 (UTC)
 * So... you're saying I just need to add my name to Category:Fictional nudists?--Isotope23 talk 17:11, 12 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Only if you're fictional. -FisherQueen (talk · contribs) 17:14, 12 October 2007 (UTC)
 * As a nudist, I am.--Isotope23 talk 17:30, 12 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Oh, and I don't know if you in any way keep up with current television viewing in North America, but there is a show on TV that made reference to a Cheese box... that completely reminded me of your welcome.--Isotope23 talk 17:36, 12 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Pushing Daisies reference? I missed the pilot.  This talk page is so far away from a useful discussion of improving wikipedia it's not funny.  Well, perhaps it is.  WLU 19:18, 12 October 2007 (UTC)
 * :) -FisherQueen (talk · contribs) 17:37, 12 October 2007 (UTC)
 * I guess my name could be a reference to potassium, but 23K is unstable, and really, I'm a more stable molecule. Honestly. Despite what you've heard.--Isotope23 talk 16:58, 12 October 2007 (UTC)
 * You enormous liar, I've received e-mails from your off-wikiself full of paranoid ramblings and discussions of the concentration of flouride in government cheese. Tsk I say, tsk.  WLU 19:18, 12 October 2007 (UTC)
 * And 23F is extremely unstable!!! -- <font color="White">But |<font color="White">seriously |<font color="White">folks  19:23, 12 October 2007 (UTC)

Have fun, vandals!
I will be spending quality time with the family all weekend, and am unlikely to make much of an appearance here until Monday afternoon or evening. Please, don't break Wikipedia while I'm away. -FisherQueen (talk · contribs) 19:37, 12 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Have a wonderful weekend, dear Queen! <font color="8B00FF">Ariel <font color="F64A8A">♥ <font color="007FFF">Gold 19:38, 12 October 2007 (UTC)

I restored this removed vandalism, just so I could make fun of it
Hello, people of Wikipedia! This is FisherQueen, out on a trip. Sorry I'm not here to have flaming homosexual fun with you, but alas, I am with my manfriend. To tell you the truth, I have no life. I sit here, in front of this computer, and just add random shit that keeps you reading this. Bye, my hourly ass-pounding is ready, and this time we have toys! —Preceding unsigned comment added by Fock me harder (talk • contribs)
 * What is the deal with these people? I don't mean vandals; I understand that their deal is a kind of instinctual testosterone-fueled territory marking, and comes from the same psychological place that makes boys write their name on bathroom walls.  No, I mean, what is the deal with people who just cannot fathom the idea that someone they meet on the internet might be female?  Once again, the vandal assumes that I am male, despite the word "queen" in my username and the fact that my archives are littered with references to my lesbianity.  And moreover, what kind of future will a teenaged boy have, who hates gay men but cannot see even a possibility that a woman might participate in the same world that he does?  Especially one who sees sex as something disgusting and threatening?  A sad, lonely future, alone with his inadequate computer, that's what kind.    And also... I'm back.  Had a nice weekend.  My grandmother told me a story that really fascinated me, and I got to play with my adorable baby nephews, so all in all, a pretty good time. -FisherQueen (talk · contribs) 23:11, 14 October 2007 (UTC)
 * I think having this on your userpages would give those people no excuse to make that mistake ever again unless its intentional. I have it at the top of my userpages and there has been no gender confusion for months so it has been proven it can help :D AngelOfSadness  talk  23:21, 14 October 2007 (UTC)
 * I've had a "male" userbox on my page for months and people still get confused...
 * My guess, kids like this got into MMORPG's, tried to cybersex with Aliantha Starsong (a level 30, female, druid, elf) and after shooting their wad, found out the player behind Aliantha Starsong is really named "Chet" and lives around the corner in his mom's basement... and when he found this out, he wasn't nearly as disgusted as he hoped he would be. Now the kid is just engaging in classic projection.--Isotope23 talk 23:30, 14 October 2007 (UTC)
 * I thought the vandal was rather cleverly mocking you for being with a man, knowing your gender and orientation suggested otherwise. Anyway, have fun with the toys!  :-O  -- <font color="White">But |<font color="White">seriously |<font color="White">folks   02:53, 15 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Clever? Vandal?  The two rarely go in the same sentence, and certainly not this time.  Now, if you were to say "cuddly, adorable" and "vandal"... - Philippe &#124; Talk 03:54, 15 October 2007 (UTC)

Need help? ~ Riana ⁂ 05:13, 15 October 2007 (UTC)
 * LMAO! - Philippe &#124; Talk 05:15, 15 October 2007 (UTC)
 * That... is unspeakably wonderful. -FisherQueen (talk · contribs) 10:35, 15 October 2007 (UTC)
 * By the way- I do like patchwork and cosmopolitans. And doesn't everyone love pink glitter?  -FisherQueen (talk · contribs) 10:43, 15 October 2007 (UTC)

Feeling alone?
Keep an eye on - his only edite have been undoing yours. -Jéské ( v^_^v ) 06:05, 15 October 2007 (UTC)
 * And undoing whomever undoes his. - Warthog Demon  06:11, 15 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Blocked as a sock of the barefootin' guy. -- <font color="White">But |<font color="White">seriously |<font color="White">folks  06:17, 15 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Nobody undoes my edits with impunity. And by the way... I'm editing barefoot. Does it turn you on, baby? -FisherQueen (talk · contribs) 10:45, 15 October 2007 (UTC)

Small Mercies
Would you consider a band which has been nominated for a prestigious ARIA Award (Breakthrough Artist) to be notable enough for it to be kept in Wikipedia? Please say your opinion about it. RaNdOm26 11:36, 15 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Did it? The article didn't say so... it was just one sentence that said, essentially, "this is a band."  If there's something to say about the band, and sources that show that the band is notable, then by all means create a fully developed article about them. Some people like to build articles in their own userspace until they're ready to post... I do it in my own sandbox, for example. -FisherQueen (talk · contribs) 11:44, 15 October 2007 (UTC)
 * I double-checked- here is a copy of the article I deleted in its entirety: "Small Mercies are a rock band from Brisbane, Australia." -FisherQueen (talk · contribs) 11:45, 15 October 2007 (UTC)

Latent!
Girls in the latency phase are well cuddly. It's interesting how you get to say a little boy is adorable, but I cant's say that about a sparkly girl without you calling me a pervert. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Latency phase! (talk • contribs) 13:15, 15 October 2007 (UTC)

Cool userpage
More of a Jagerbomb gal myself, but the flagellation, well, yes. Bring on the birch rods and all that. ~ Riana ⁂ 17:28, 15 October 2007 (UTC)
 * For what it's worth, I like flowers. But I'm not a girl.  So maybe this is one of those "all squares are rectangles but not all rectangles are squares things...?"   ie, "All girls are flower-lovers, but not all flower-lovers are girls?"  - Philippe &#124; Talk 17:30, 15 October 2007 (UTC)
 * What blasphemy is this, Philippe? If you like flowers you are a girl. If you are a girl you like flowers. Honestly. ~ Riana ⁂ 17:33, 15 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Then I have a serious misunderstanding of biology. :-P  - Philippe &#124; Talk 17:35, 15 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Very well, I accept that there are quirky types ;) ~ Riana ⁂ 17:36, 15 October 2007 (UTC)
 * That may, perhaps, be the best description of myself that's ever been given. - Philippe &#124; Talk 17:47, 15 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Jager Bombs? Oi... I've now distanced myself from my dark mistress as she has a tendency to reacquaint me with another old friend every time I bow before her.  Now, I've made a new friend (though I hope to some day meet Louie).--Isotope23 talk 19:16, 15 October 2007 (UTC)

Please review my essay?
Hi FisherQueen, I've written an essay, spurred by my experiences with a few special users. Could you be kind enough to have a read, perhaps leave a comment, maybe even edit it for comprehensibility?

I know you're watching Isotope23, I'm not even bothering to post a comment on your talk page because this is just as good. You Queen-stalker :P I'll give you a shiny wikidollar if you can guess who it's about without clicking or hoverring over any links.

link

WLU 18:36, 15 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Sorry, I didn't see this right away... I was trying to put all of FQ's trash back in the can before she gets home (McNuggets for dinner again FQ???).
 * While on one hand I agree with the sentiment, I also think that sometimes it is best to deny our obsessive-compulsive friends by not obliquely giving them recognition.--Isotope23 talk 19:07, 15 October 2007 (UTC)
 * It made me chuckle, for sure. But I don't think I'd ever refer to us, since the fetishists get off on our attention, and the idea of someone reading one-handed while I talk about how disgusting they are for their edits is... not appealing. -FisherQueen (talk · contribs) 19:16, 15 October 2007 (UTC)

I'm assuming you kept some of the trash, right Isotope?

I suppose you've a point the both of you, but writing it was cathartic (possibly making me a hypocrite on some level). I could remove the specific references to individual users/edits I suppose. I wouldn't bother with the two particular people I referenced anyway since they fall into the "you've already been warned yet you persist" category. Rational discussion might fail for someone who likes feet that much. Not that there's anything wrong with feet, or liking them, except when it affects their editing. WLU 19:21, 15 October 2007 (UTC)
 * I read it again, and it made me laugh even more. And that's worth something.  The footnotes are especially helpful.  -FisherQueen (talk · contribs) 19:26, 15 October 2007 (UTC)


 * And ironically, yes, I am having McNuggets for supper again tonight... I do tend to end up at McDonald's for supper on grocery night. Later this week, though, I will make a lasagna.  I make a pretty competent lasagna, if I do say so myself.  Learned it from my Irish mother.  The Irish, as you probably know, are well known for their lasagna. -FisherQueen (talk · contribs) 19:29, 15 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Grocery night... I usually end up mixing up a whole wheat pizza crust in the morning; then it is all risen and ready to get rolled out and topped for dinner. This however is the one really unhealthy thing I do; after making this healthy pizza with everything on it, I take 2 pieces, cover them in Red Hot, Parmesan, & Ranch Dressing... then I fold it over and eat it like a sandwich.--Isotope23 talk 19:45, 15 October 2007 (UTC)


 * You sicken me. *writes down the recipe* WLU 19:47, 15 October 2007 (UTC)

I do love a good editorializing footnote or wikilink.

Tsk. The Irish? Everyone knows the Chinese make the best lasagne. Lord knows you can't put a potato in lasagna. WLU 19:31, 15 October 2007 (UTC)
 * You can put a potato in anything. They're God's magical tuber. -FisherQueen (talk · contribs) 19:41, 15 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Indeed... Gnocci Lasagna anyone?--Isotope23 talk 19:45, 15 October 2007 (UTC)

Apparently they're also useful as an antidepressant and sleep aid, with as much tryptophan per weight as turkey. And caused a massive famine due to the incredible increase in population in 19th century Ireland followed by the collapse of potato monoculture. And kill people, the naughty carbohydrates. The word tuber is inhernetly funny, moreso it's extension, tuberosity. Torroidal tuberosity. Oh my, my day just got better. WLU 19:47, 15 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Look, I don't care what you do with your tubers, just keep them out of my 'pedia. Or your feet.  - Philippe &#124; Talk 21:01, 15 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Tuber socks? -- <font color="White">But |<font color="White">seriously |<font color="White">folks   21:11, 15 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Care if I chime in :D. How's this for a coincidence? Seems a lot more people have already read the essay(or the opening paragraph at least) than all the people commenting here. Great essay by the way. I especially enjoyed the notes at the end. Really it couldn't be closer to the ugly truth :D. AngelOfSadness  talk  22:49, 15 October 2007 (UTC)

Your praise is ambrosia to me. Does any actual work get done on this page?

I take my inspiration for footnotes from Terry Pratchett. I can only imagine what that man would do with wikilinks. The truth ain't pretty, but her breath smells like...victory...and napalm...and potatoes...

Yeah. WLU 01:39, 16 October 2007 (UTC)


 * The best part about this is that we don't actually require FisherQueen's permission to hijack her page for our own nefarious purposes. WiKi-RuLz, Dude! Sometimes I feel like this page is the equivalent of the basement on "That 70's Show".  - Philippe &#124; Talk 02:25, 16 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Sometimes actual work gets done on this page. Yesterday, I was kind of busy... and look at you people, running amok on my talk page.  Amok, I say. -FisherQueen (talk · contribs) 10:21, 16 October 2007 (UTC)

Ln of x
I think that the user Ln of x (by the way do you know about Ln) should be unblocked. His edits seem to be very worthwhile of inclusion in the encyclopedia and I don't get why they are reverted. It's true, Abi Branning is extremely cuddly and the actress that plays her, Lorna Fitzgerald, pure and adorable. This corollary should be included in the relevant articles so the encyclopidia can be improved.

Abi's cuddly and sparkly and magical and adorable and pure and innocent, and sweet and cute and extremeley sparkly. She&#39;s in the Latency phase! 15:45, 16 October 2007 (UTC)

TechMaster Telecom Speedy Deletion Issue
If you look at criterion 11 of the Criteria for speedy deletion, this is not an advertisement. It simply has a company as the subject. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Cybiko123 (talk • contribs) 15:33, 16 October 2007 (UTC)
 * My major concern is the lack of any assertion of notability; that's the tag I used on the article. -FisherQueen (talk · contribs) 15:36, 16 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Its notability is listed in paragraph 2 of the article (social networking built into the phones). Cybiko123 15:40, 16 October 2007 (UTC)
 * That's it? Well, if that's all that it's notable for, you'd better be able to produce some great sources discussing it.  Three newspaper articles or business journal articles (NOT press releases, of course) would do nicely. -FisherQueen (talk · contribs) 15:42, 16 October 2007 (UTC)
 * TechMaster Telecom doesn't get much press (it's mainly spread through word-of-mouth). I'll let you know if I find anything, though. Cybiko123 15:47, 16 October 2007 (UTC)
 * A brand new company which doesn't get any attention from the press is what we call a non-notable company. Wikipedia only needs articles about notable companies, so I'll go ahead and delete this for you. -FisherQueen (talk · contribs) 15:49, 16 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Fine. Cybiko123 15:51, 16 October 2007 (UTC)

Gay basher?
Gay basher. Your essay isn't fair. and my article was good; please don't delete it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Onondagan opossum (talk • contribs)
 * The Roadkill cafe? What in the world does that have to do with gayness?  It's a tiny article about a local radio program, which has no reliable sources and no assertion of notability.  You removed the prod tag, but you haven't added either of the things that would save it from being deleted; you've only added an inappropriate and misspelled call for help to the article, which I'll move now. -FisherQueen (talk · contribs) 15:39, 16 October 2007 (UTC)

I'm sorry. I was referring to the title of one of your essays on one of your links... I rudely misenterpreted it and I'm really sorry. --Onondagan opossum 17:07, 16 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Now at least I understand what you were talking about... you had me good and confused. Now that you've read Friends of gays should not be allowed to edit articles, you probably get the joke.  I'm gay myself, which makes gay-bashing very efficient for me.  I can slap myself around without even having to get up off my comfy chair. -FisherQueen (talk · contribs) 17:33, 16 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Did you forget your tags again?--Isotope23 talk 19:06, 16 October 2007 (UTC)
 * I didn't even write that essay (I swear!). I just link to it in my useful essays section on my userpage. FisherQueen (talk · contribs) 19:28, 16 October 2007 (UTC)


 * Wait... you are not meta user Evan???--Isotope23 talk 19:33, 16 October 2007 (UTC)
 * No, but I'm often told that I look like him. -FisherQueen (talk · contribs) 19:39, 16 October 2007 (UTC)

Essay
That would just rock completely if you would review the essay for me. I already know it is long, but in a way, I think that's a good thing, because someone jumping into RC Patrol with little or no experience would really benefit from all that information (I know I sure would have at first lol), but I think maybe some areas could still be trimmed. DGG has been helping, DSiegel helped out a lot in the beginning, and it has been looked over by a number of other admins, but yet it still languishes in my userspace, basically unused. While I'd love to see it out there helping people, at the same time, I don't want to see any backlash from it as has happened in the past with essays, and this is probably why I'm taking such a long time with it, just to be quite sure that everything is on point, worded correctly (mostly to reflect that it is not policy, but just my personal style and suggestions), and has no errors. No rush on it, obviously, lol. But I'd love your thoughts! <font color="8B00FF">Ariel <font color="F64A8A">♥ <font color="007FFF">Gold 21:59, 16 October 2007 (UTC)

Thank You
Just wanted to say thanks for saying I was doing a good jobRidernyc 11:16, 17 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Ooo, you posted this just as I posted a note on your talk page. That dude talked to you in a really unpleasant way.  Of course, if you're like most of us recent changes patrollers, that just made you laugh, I'm guessing.  I got a good chuckle out of "show me where you are the boss of Wikipedia." -FisherQueen (talk · contribs) 11:23, 17 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Yeah if you look at my talk archives it's basically nothing but people complaing about me waring them or having something deleted. Most of the articles I work on are pretty much abaoned so people never coment on the work I do on articles. By the way look at the history page of Administrator intervention against vandalism he actually reported me for vandalism.Ridernyc 11:29, 17 October 2007 (UTC)
 * I saw that when I was reviewing his contributions- I liked that he interpreted AfD notices on articles he likes as vandalism. Have you seen his response to my unblock decline yet?  There is a dude who just has not yet comprehended the point of Wikipedia.  Moreover, I do not believe for a moment that he is 30, no matter what he claims on his userpage.  -FisherQueen (talk · contribs) 11:31, 17 October 2007 (UTC)
 * I did look at your archives, by the way. I'm guessing you have figured this out by now, but the user who told you when you were getting started that you can only tag articles for deletion if you have the 'patroller' userbox on your userpage was full of shit.  Notice that I have no userboxes at all, and yet I flatter myself that I'm a moderately useful patroller. -FisherQueen (talk · contribs) 11:33, 17 October 2007 (UTC)
 * BWAH! Now he's posted another unblock request, and in it, he makes a legal threat!  It'll serve him right if the next admin to review it indefs him.  -FisherQueen (talk · contribs) 11:36, 17 October 2007 (UTC)
 * I figured out the patroller userbox thing the second he told me. But I added it anyway because I wanted to. One day I'll sit down and make a nice user page.  Wow not sure I've ever seen that many f-bombs. I knew he was going to freak out and make things worse, just figure he would 3 hours and go after me again. Ridernyc 11:38, 17 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Spiffy userpages are cool, but hardly essential. I made mine as a gift for myself when I was made an admin... I mostly pieced it together by stealing code from userpages I liked.  Theft is the sincerest form of flattery, you know. I admit I was a little startled by how quickly he lost it completely, but at least he skipped all those pesky middle stages. -FisherQueen (talk · contribs) 11:42, 17 October 2007 (UTC)
 * BWAH HA! As I predicted, the next reviewing admin extended the block to indefinite.  I'd like to think he'd learn a valuable lesson about good faith and courtesy, but I suppose he probably won't. -FisherQueen (talk · contribs) 11:44, 17 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Well he deserves it but I want to see him go off again. I've been looking at other people users pages and plaining on borrowing some code just haven't gotten around to it. If I'm not patrolling or talking about AFD's I'm working on The Residents or concept album.  I'm waiting for the day someone freaks out about my reverts on concept album, but thank god most of those are hit and runs and never come back.Ridernyc 11:50, 17 October 2007 (UTC)
 * That's a pretty cool article, and my favorite concept album made the cut, so I'm doubly pleased. (That would be Operation: Mindcrime, if you're curious).  I tend to think that a fancy userpage definitely comes second to making useful edits. -FisherQueen (talk ·contribs) 11:52, 17 October 2007 (UTC)
 * No... FisherQueen is a Queensryche fan? Too perfect.--Isotope23 talk 13:07, 17 October 2007 (UTC)

Resetting the indent. I was actually a member of the Queensryche fan club. I kind of felt like it almost a CoI to leave it in, howerver it's perhaps the best example of concept album ever put out. It's also one of the few truly great rock operas, manages to clearly tell it's story within the confines of the album. I listen to it about once a week. Ridernyc 12:01, 17 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Oh, yes- you don't leave it in because you love it, you love it because it's great- and that's why you leave it in. I agree that an article about concept albums that doesn't discuss Operation:Mindcrime would be incomplete- it'd be like leaving out Sgt. Pepper. -FisherQueen (talk · contribs) 12:05, 17 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Well Sgt. Peppers is in there as an example of an album that's mistaken as a concept album. Funny that it kind of kicked the gener into high gear but was not actually a concept album. No mater how many times John and Paul explained people kept calling it a concept album. OK I"ll try to turn of my music nerdiness now.Ridernyc 12:14, 17 October 2007 (UTC)
 * There's a subtle distinction there that I think I need to go read more about; I've always thought of it as a concept album, so clearly I have an imperfect understanding of what that term means. You never have to turn off your nerdiness on my userpage... here, nerdiness is a virtue. -FisherQueen (talk · contribs) 12:54, 17 October 2007 (UTC)
 * ok to save you a bit research since I've read more then I want to about it in the past few months. It started as a concept album, first The Beatles said they wanted an album that could tour for them. I have no clue what that means. Then they came up with the concept, the first 2 songs on the album fit the concept, they introduce the band then introduce one of the characters. But after that they just gave up on the concept. John later said he never wrote any songs with a concept in mind. So basically you had the first 2 songs and the album cover, the rest of the album had nothing to do with a concept. Ridernyc 13:02, 17 October 2007 (UTC)
 * I went back and read the paragraphs on the subject in concept album, too- I get what you're talking about, and I'll agree that it wasn't totally a concept album, and yet was important for other people making better concept albums. "Hey, that's a great idea... wonder why they didn't do that? Guys, we could do an album like that, right?  Right?  Grab your guitar, Bob, and a pencil." -FisherQueen (talk · contribs) 13:05, 17 October 2007 (UTC)
 * How interesting that 2112, Hemispheres, Take Me to Your Leader, or Diamond Dogs are not mentioned (though I guess Diamond Dogs was a bit of an aborted mission). I always thought of Sgt Pepper as a theme album, kind of like Ween's The Mollusk with its nautical based songs.--Isotope23 talk 13:12, 17 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Hmm, though I guess a "theme" album is a "concept" album eh? Here in Isoland I've always defined them differently.--Isotope23 talk 13:13, 17 October 2007 (UTC)
 * The article concept album seems to focus on explanations, with representative examples, which is appropriate. I wonder if a List of concept albums article would also be interesting and useful?  And, of course, a fascinating place for music nerds to argue.

-FisherQueen (talk · contribs) 13:14, 17 October 2007 (UTC)
 * I'm sure they were all in there at some point. I had to take out so many random albums that people threw in. Instead of working it into the article people would just add random albums everywhere.  Also the 70's section can get insanely out of control and long. This is what it looked like before I kind of took it over

You have to draw the line somewhere, so I just tried to make it historical points. I made a list but it got deleted which I agree with. I just nominated list of Rocke Operas to be deleted because it works better as a category and seems redundant to have a list and a category.Ridernyc 13:20, 17 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Yeah, as much as I think it would be interesting to have a list of concept albums, I wouldn't start it. After some of the other genre related crap I've seen (like Geek rock) I'm not looking to involve myself in the endless talkpage discussion of what defines a particular group in a particular genre. It is maddening.--Isotope23 talk 13:25, 17 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Try have a conversation about Math Rock people claim every math rock band was never really math rock.Ridernyc 13:30, 17 October 2007 (UTC)
 * We could do it the way they do at List of GLB people and require each one to be sourced to a reliable music critic calling it a 'concept album'. -FisherQueen (talk · contribs) 14:07, 17 October 2007 (UTC)
 * In a perfect world yes, but you have to watch it constantly. People will always try to ad Kid A and other albums that are not concept albums. Yesterday I went through album in the rock opera category and people had added songs to the category. Ridernyc 14:25, 17 October 2007 (UTC)
 * I'm sure you're right, and since I'm not volunteering for all that squabbling... :) -FisherQueen (talk · contribs) 14:37, 17 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Lets face it's time to give up and just admit that we will never get people to source anything on wikipedia. Another great example, Bohemian Rhapsody is the best know example of a rock opera, I too k that out of the rock opera article yesterday. Ridernyc 14:43, 17 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Using elements of rock and elements of opera does not make it a rock opera. Someone, I think, got a bit confused.  The music articles are ignorance magnets; if we could find some way to generate electricity from ignorance, we could use our music articles to power the country, and wouldn't need oil any more. -FisherQueen (talk · contribs) 15:01, 17 October 2007 (UTC)

Pretty much all the popular media is horrible. You get the anime guys and video game guys who alway want to exaand everything to infinity. The worst I have seen though are the comic book articles, Where they try to list every plot ever, but at least they for the most part keep it to one article.Ridernyc 15:05, 17 October 2007 (UTC)

User:RBLakes
Just wanted to let you know, I extended the 1-wk block you placed on User:RBLakes to indef, for making legal threats (, "Do we need to get the lawyers involved?") in the unblock templates... SQL(Query Me!) 11:44, 17 October 2007 (UTC)
 * No! Not User:RBLakes!  Such a nice guy, and so valuable to the project... wait a minute.  Never mind.  Is there something longer than 'indefinite' that we can give him?  How about 'infinite?' -FisherQueen (talk · contribs) 11:46, 17 October 2007 (UTC)

Thanks
I just posted on ANI about that editor... I apparently wasn't getting through to the individual. Mostly I'm concerned that the warnings are going out to editors who edited a specific article days ago, with consecutive edits (i.e. no edit warring)... or in the latest case, an IP with no edits at all.--Isotope23 talk 15:17, 17 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Gp75motorsports doesn't seem to be a vandal, but he is making some inappropriately hostile edits that, I think, need to be nipped in the bud. That kind of tone will inevitably end up with him in hot water eventually. -FisherQueen (talk · contribs) 15:21, 17 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Agreed... the road to Hell is paved with good intentions (and asphalt). I think he is intending to help, but his warnings are being directed at editors/IPs who actually are not edit warring, or over edits that happened days ago and the editor has already been warned over the incident.  I'm way more concerned about the warnings to IP editors than I am to a warning on my own page.--Isotope23 talk 15:25, 17 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Take a look at this edit. This editor doesn't have the power to ban, nor is this user banned, he is simply indef blocked. The tone this editor is taking with people, and the manner with which he states things is giving an impression (at least to me) that this editor thinks he is more important than any editor, or is in a position of administration. this edit is quite rude, inflammatory, and completely unnecessary. I'm not completely sure what's going on here, but the whole tone this editor uses with others is quite bothering to me. <font color="8B00FF">Ariel <font color="F64A8A">♥ <font color="007FFF">Gold  16:03, 17 October 2007 (UTC)
 * This user seems to want the thrill of being a WikiCop without the required knowledge of policy... not a combination that's likely to end anywhere he wants to be. And he'd done the same thing, and been warned for it, earlier on his talk page. I offered another warning... we need to keep an eye open for his contribs for a little while, I think. -FisherQueen (talk · contribs) 16:08, 17 October 2007 (UTC)

Article "Jake Bergevin"
I am suprised you deleted my article "Jake Bergevin".

I think (along with all the other members of his band) that this article needs to be kept. Jake Bergevin in an influential musician who teaches a nationally-known Jazz Band. He is one of the best band directors in the country. He is a VERY significant person. Not very many bands play at Essentially Ellington, the largest high-school level jazz competition in the world. —Preceding unsigned comment added by T1madpaintballer (talk • contribs)
 * No problem. Just provide me with links to three newspaper or magazine articles about him that were not printed in the high school paper or in the newspaper of the town he lives in, and I'll be happy to review the sources and re-evaluate whether he meets the notability criteria. -FisherQueen (talk · contribs) 15:44, 17 October 2007 (UTC)

SciVee
Please dopn;t act so rashly!

I amended it from the CORDIS website of press releases - which of oucrse are intende to be copied! -Johnbibby 15:42, 17 October 2007 (UTC)

IMHO it is a perfectly valid item to have an articled on .... Sorry I haven;t yet mastereds the art of 'talking' vie Wikipedia.

I did not COPY the press release, but wrote sometghing based on that. It is a stub & needs expanding. -Johnbibby 15:55, 17 October 2007 (UTC)
 * If you aren't yet ready to post the article- if it doesn't yet include reliable sources and an assertion of notability at the minimum- then new page patrollers will inevitably tag it for deletion. Some people like to work on articles in their own userspace until they're ready to post them; Here's an example of my sandbox with a couple of half-finished articles in it.  -FisherQueen (talk · contribs) 15:59, 17 October 2007 (UTC)

You say that "Press releases don't have an appropriately neutral tone". But that is beside the point. What was "un-neutral" about my article? -Johnbibby 19:20, 17 October 2007 (UTC)


 * Besides the fact that a bot identified it as a copyright violation (so it clearly was not very completely rewritten), it had no assertion of notability and no reliable sources cited. I think I said that on your talk page, in the same comment that you quote.  Also, I'm tired of reformatting your comments. There's no reason to indent comments, or to introduce your signature with a long line of colons. -FisherQueen (talk · contribs) 19:29, 17 October 2007 (UTC)

Article
Sources to article "Jake Bergevin". —Preceding unsigned comment added by T1madpaintballer (talk • contribs) 15:59, 17 October 2007 (UTC)

http://www.wyntonmarsalis.org/2007/05/07/wynton-plays-with-winners-of-essentially-ellington-2007/

A link to the results of the 2007 Essentially Ellington festival.

http://archives.seattletimes.nwsource.com/cgi-bin/texis.cgi/web/vortex/display?slug=jazz28n&date=20030528&query=jake+bergevin

About Edmonds-Woodway's loss of Essentially Ellington in the Seattle Times.

http://www.jakebergevinmusic.com/

Jake's Website and CD's, "My Name is Jake" and "Holding Back the Dawn".

--T1madpaintballer 15:59, 17 October 2007 (UTC)
 * That's one article that isn't about Bergevin but does at least quote him... one list of winners that doesn't mention Bergevin at all... and one link to Bergevin's own web page, which is blocked by my firewall. Zero articles that are written about Jake Bergevin. -FisherQueen (talk · contribs) 16:02, 17 October 2007 (UTC)

Here's another link to one of his CD's: http://cdbaby.com/cd/bergevin

This is a video of him with Milo Peterson: http://dabble.com/node/2242291

Link to his profile on the school disctrict site: http://staff.edmonds.wednet.edu/users/bergevin/Bergevin.htm

A link to a music theater - Jake is scheduled to play here: http://www.bakesplace.org/events.php

This is a source about Jake on JazzTimes - I did not read it - the page wouldn't load for me: http://www.jazztimes.com/reviews/concert_reviews/detail.cfm?ar...%20www.jazztimes.com/reviews/concert_reviews/detail.cfm?article=10340

This shows the standing of EWHS at a festival: http://www.today.uidaho.edu/details.aspx?id=3434

EWHS band linked on SeattleTimes: http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/wishlist/music.html

Past preformance: http://www.plu.edu/~sota/calendar.html

You could ask Wynton Marsalis who Jake is, and i bet he knows. the point is, this page deserves to live; Jake is an important person. —Preceding unsigned comment added by T1madpaintballer (talk • contribs) 23:01, 17 October 2007 (UTC)


 * The only one of those that you even claim is an article about him is the JazzTimes one. But it isn't an article about him, either.  It's a review of an album by someone else.  I didn't even see him mentioned.  There's no need to keep giving me links to things that are not articles with this person as their main subject which were printed in reliable independent sources; they don't really do anything to help support notability for this person.  Even if I did feel that it was appropriate to call up Marsalis, he isn't an article about this person in a reliable independently published source, so it wouldn't help. Wikipedia doesn't need articles about every high school band director; in fact, very few of those would be able to meet the notability criteria.  -FisherQueen (talk · contribs) 02:34, 18 October 2007 (UTC)

Re: User talk:Ioeth
Yes, under Anthony Chidiac. I discovered that that article had been created and deleted so many times (AFD and CSD) that it was protected from creation. --Ioeth (talk contribs friendly) 17:47, 17 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the pointer; my lunch break is over but I've added the relevant links to the talk page of the article. -FisherQueen (talk · contribs) 17:50, 17 October 2007 (UTC)

FisherQueen **Bling** my article has gone. Someone evaporated it into cyberdust! Can you please lead me through how to bring it back from the dead? Surely, it could have been a longer process so that the other admins who were a part of the original article can see it. Please guide me through this. Thanks. T. —Preceding unsigned comment added by T3Smile (talk • contribs) 18:01, 17 October 2007 (UTC)
 * If I were in your position... well, I'm sure I'd be very good looking. :) Also, if I were in your position, I'd submit an appeal at deletion review.  There, the community can discuss the article and whether it should be undeleted, and you'll have the opportunity to plead your case, too.  Also, if I were in your position, I'd buy FisherQueen a bottle of good wine.  Just to be nice. :) -FisherQueen (talk · contribs) 18:26, 17 October 2007 (UTC)

sorry about splish splosh
hes used to be a mate but now he hates everything i stand for, thanks for the undo. Marci Bowers Helper 22:10, 17 October 2007 (UTC) Hes still at it, aww well i have it backed up and im sure a bot will black list his ip addressMarci Bowers Helper 22:37, 17 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Once more, and I'll block him. -FisherQueen (talk · contribs) 02:43, 18 October 2007 (UTC)

Chubs and Disambiguation
Greetings. Recently, on Tue 16 Oct, I constructed a disambiguation page for the various fish known as chubs. After having done so, I began to contemplate whether that page and the current Chub page might be better named. I posted a discussion on the Chub page but it's not yet received any comment. I noticed from the article's revision history that you had made one or more contributions to the page. Consequently, I thought I might profit from your advice at Talk:Chub#Page title if you have a moment or two to spare. Thanks. &mdash; Dave (Talk | contribs) 03:46, 18 October 2007 (UTC)

Huish Champflower
Hi, I've just seen an action by you deleting back links to Huish Champflower on List of places in Somerset & List of civil parishes in Somerset citing WP:CSD#G1 patent nonsense. Huish Champflower is a genuine village in Somerset near Wiveliscombe see Huish Champflower on Genuki, Huish Champflower on Wivelscome & I wondered what the patent nonsense was? &mdash; Rod talk 14:13, 18 October 2007 (UTC)
 * The article that was created, and which I deleted, added to Wikipedia such useful information as, "the majority of the housing in huish champflower are produced by th local mason, larry, who uses sand and is own semen as the foundaions to this lovely community," and "The name Huish Champflower derives from the Dutch phrase 'hu ish cham blower' which refers to the ancient dutch cultural event of a blow job competitiion." If anyone wants to write a more accurate article about the village, they are entirely welcome to. I'd be happy to undelete, of course, if provided with sources that show that the above details are true.  I'm planning a visit to England next summer, and would love to attend the blow job competition.  -FisherQueen (talk · contribs) 15:02, 18 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Thanks I hadn't seen the entry. I will do a reasonable stub (supported with refs etc) in a few hours - but I doubt it will be as exciting as the vandalism!&mdash; Rod talk 16:20, 18 October 2007 (UTC)
 * You're telling me that there isn't really a blow job competition, aren't you? I'm deeply disappointed.  I thought, if I read it on Wikipedia, it must be true. -FisherQueen (talk · contribs) 16:29, 18 October 2007 (UTC)


 * Just in case it's true, while in Huish Champflower be sure to get some pictures for the Commons. Incidentally, if the nearby village of Quiette Sorluser is having their annual wet t-shirt/best thong contest, snap some pics of that for me?  WLU 18:33, 18 October 2007 (UTC)


 * Huish Champflower now has an article but I'm sorry to report I can't find anything verifable about blow jobs or wet T shirts - the only pic I can offer is of the 15th century church.&mdash; Rod talk 21:15, 18 October 2007 (UTC)

Front Running Sports
Hello FisherQueen! I need to retrieve the deleted article and more importantly the edit history for the article entitled Front Running Sports. This article was deleted on the 22nd of September. I believe the time of the deletion was >> 03:40, 22 September 2007 (UTC). Can you advise me on how this info might be emailed to me or posted to my userpage? I would be happy just to retrieve the edit history details. I noticed that you assisted with the deletion. I have posted this request to the deletion review page but not sure if that is the correct route since I did not receive any response. I value your advice. Thanks! - Realverse - 18 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Here is the deleted article: "Front Running Sports Inc. is a specialty retail store founded in 2007 by runner/triathlete Brian NeSmith. It is located in Lake Mary, Florida."  -FisherQueen (talk · contribs) 14:44, 18 October 2007 (UTC)
 * By the way, there's no way that this will be undeleted. It's about a brand new business, local in scope, which clearly doesn't meet the notability guideline. -FisherQueen (talk · contribs) 14:59, 18 October 2007 (UTC)

Thanks FisherQueen, but is there any way to retrieve the edit history for the article Front Running Sports deleted on the 22nd of September. Either posted here, emailed or posted to my userpage? I have no intention of getting this article undeleted, just trying to capture the edit history details for a project. Please help. Thanks in advance - Realverse - 18 October 2007 (UTC)
 * No, I don't think I can do that. -FisherQueen (talk · contribs) 18:38, 18 October 2007 (UTC)

We agree with the article deletion, and frankly are trying to determine how to keep our staff from repeating the posting on this site. As part of this process, we need confirmation that IP address 71.42.6.153 is in the Front Running Sports edit history. Can you facilitate or is there another process we should pursue? Thanks. - Realverse - 18 October 2007 (UTC)
 * You created that article, not that IP. If you don't want your staff to use the internet on company time, then you should install some tracking software, but if you just don't want to be insulted by being accused of selling sporting goods to gay people, then this gay person doesn't have any good suggestions for you.  -FisherQueen (talk · contribs) 02:53, 19 October 2007 (UTC)

New article?
Hey FisherQueen! I've just added an article on director, producer and editor Mike Listo to the Wikipedia, but you immediately suggested to delete it. Can you please explain why so I could make a decision? Thanks. Dmarex 15:41, 18 October 2007 (UTC)
 * From the article, it looks like a guy who has directed a few television episodes. Just from reading the article, I can't tell how he meets the notability criteria.  You'd need to add information explaining why he's an important director, and links to several independent sources- not IMDB, but articles that have been written about him in newspapers, magazines, or trade journals. -FisherQueen (talk · contribs) 15:42, 18 October 2007 (UTC)

I think you need refrences to back up statements, once you have a couple it should be safe for a while, then its time to expand it, i will see if i can help. Marci Bowers Helper 15:44, 18 October 2007 (UTC)

OK, then no problem. The director doesn't seem to be too special or important, so feel free to delete it. And thanks for explaining. Dmarex 17:05, 18 October 2007 (UTC)

Deletion
Hello FisherQueen. I have attempted to create a page for a website three times, and it has been deleted three times. The page involves a website called HireWorth.com. I am not sure what I am doing wrong...can you please give me some insight as to why I am so unsuccessful using wiki? This is my first attempt to use the site and it has not worked out very well. Thx. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Durhamrecruiter (talk • contribs)
 * At Wikipedia, as has been explained in various ways on the HireWorth.com talk page and your own talk page, we have very little patience for people who attempt to use the encyclopedia to advertise their companies. You may not use Wikipedia as a forum for advertising your company.  For many reasons.  Because your company doesn't appear to be notable by Wikipedia's definition.  Because it is your company, and we don't write about ourselves here.  Because there are no reliable independent sources that discuss your company in any significant detail.  And because we just don't use Wikipedia for advertising at all.  If you're interested in trying to help write an encyclopedia, we're glad for the help, but we have plenty of spammers already, and aren't currently accepting applications for more. -FisherQueen (talk · contribs) 17:22, 18 October 2007 (UTC)

Thank you for your candor. I did not think that I could feel any worse about having my efforts, to post something that I thought was notable, wasted three seperate times. I promise I will not use your site again. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Durhamrecruiter (talk • contribs) 17:35, 18 October 2007 (UTC)

The Queen is gay
U suck cock. HAHAHAHAHA> Philippe is a girl hahahahaahah. Lorna's cuddly. AWWWWWWWWWWWWW. Lorna&#39;s cuddlyness 14:38, 19 October 2007 (UTC)



User:ArielGold, Hero of HTMLland Good HTML Fairy

 * Hrmm, that messed something up, notice the entire big grey space behind the box? That was never like that before, but for the life of me, I can't figure out why it is doing it with this image. I compared it with how it was in this revision, and it makes no sense. You didn't change the page layout at all, so odd... Okay, guess someone putting a comment here will fix that, but still, that's odd because when you clear your talk page normally it doesn't do that... ~*Shrug*~ <font color="8B00FF">Ariel <font color="F64A8A">♥ <font color="007FFF">Gold 15:35, 19 October 2007 (UTC)
 * It's my fault. The text box only expands when there's enough text to fill it to the edge; I have no idea how to fix the code so that it's always the right size.  You don't see the problem very often because I usually make sure to leave a comment here just to keep the text box formatted correctly... I don't know how to code at all. -FisherQueen (talk · contribs) 15:38, 19 October 2007 (UTC)

Well, the very last thing I'd ever want to do is kill you, but do you want me to fix it so that doesn't happen? lol. <font color="8B00FF">Ariel <font color="F64A8A">♥ <font color="007FFF">Gold 15:40, 19 October 2007 (UTC)
 * If you know how to fix it, I'd be very grateful. -FisherQueen (talk · contribs) 15:40, 19 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Done. Remove all text if you'd like to test it, but it should work. If it doesn't I'll look closer, but this should fix it. <font color="8B00FF">Ariel <font color="F64A8A">♥ <font color="007FFF">Gold 15:45, 19 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Thanks very much! I'm off to add the change to my sandbox and my to-do list! -FisherQueen (talk · contribs) 15:48, 19 October 2007 (UTC)
 * LOL I think the "Hero" bit is a bit of overkill, honestly I'm not that great at coding myself, it is just I've had this particular issue multiple times myself, so it just happens that I figured out how to fix it, finally, lol. Either way, I'm very glad that it worked and that you're happy! That makes me happy, hee hee. <font color="8B00FF">Ariel <font color="F64A8A">♥ <font color="007FFF">Gold 16:07, 19 October 2007 (UTC)
 * In the country of the blind, the one-eyed man is king. You may have only added five characters, but it was enough to impress me. -FisherQueen (talk · contribs) 16:09, 19 October 2007 (UTC)

Chelsea Kate Isaacs
Well, now that you have added a source to the article, I guess we'll have to keep it. I'm going over right now to change my !vote. ;-p --Evb-wiki 16:11, 19 October 2007 (UTC)
 * This girl just grates my cheese... I was googling to look for embarrassing but verifiable information, but I couldn't find any other mention of her at the University of Miami... I guess she hasn't distinguished herself in any way at all. -FisherQueen (talk · contribs) 16:13, 19 October 2007 (UTC)
 * If I may butt in, the sappy SPA comments are what drove me to wearing out my anti-stress squeeze toy. "She's in the air we breathe"? So? And I was going through the hits for the pseudonym the SPA provided, thinking maybe I missed something. If this girl's an artist, she's done zero to distinguish herself. If she isn't really an artist, well, she's an artist in some way. Thanks for the spot of tea,FQ. The irony is I was having tea when I read what had transpired.--Sethacus 16:50, 19 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Now she's trying to blank the articles, blank your rant... I don't know if it was your anger, my note about her reputation, or maybe my addition of actual, verifiably true information about her to the article, but she seems to have changed her mind. I'm laughing. -FisherQueen (talk · contribs) 16:57, 19 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Shoot, just as I was writing up my Ariel Verbosity™ comment on that AfD, the pages went "poof!" into the ether! Drat. <font color="8B00FF">Ariel <font color="F64A8A">♥ <font color="007FFF">Gold 17:16, 19 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Isotope beat me to it -- I was trying to zap it myself. However, I thought "Article is clearly crap" wouldn't be an appropriate deletion summary.  -- Merope 17:17, 19 October 2007 (UTC)
 * I was just getting fond of Chelsea, too. Watching her scuttle around trying to blank things was just funny as hell. -FisherQueen (talk · contribs) 17:18, 19 October 2007 (UTC)
 * I'm tempted to friend her on Facebook. :)  -- Merope 17:28, 19 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Did you find her there? I don't have a Facebook account, and couldn't quite bring myself to create one just to look for her... -FisherQueen (talk · contribs) 17:30, 19 October 2007 (UTC)
 * I can't see her profile, unfortunately, just a pic and her school. Friending her would reveal my secret superhero identity, though.  -- Merope 17:37, 19 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Being how I'm a virtual chameleon, perhaps I can find out.--Isotope23 talk 17:59, 19 October 2007 (UTC)

About Chelsea Isaacs
So I'm guessing that my guess was right after all? (you know, the sockpuppets being Chelsea) -- Slarti ( 19  92 ) 18:23, 19 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Actually, I'd say no... they were not all her. A few of them probably were, but if I had to give my (unprofessional) opinion, I'd say the vast majority of them were friends and associates of hers.--Isotope23 talk 18:25, 19 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Seems like a reasonable explanation. -- Slarti ( 19  92 ) 19:44, 19 October 2007 (UTC)
 * I thought they were all her. They had a certain similarity of writing style.  -FisherQueen (talk · contribs) 20:12, 19 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Yeah, that's the reason that made me think that it was her. I'm uncertain now, though, since some of the comments had some minor variations in style (eg.: some did not state "keep chels on the wiki"). -- Slarti ( 19  92 ) 20:30, 19 October 2007 (UTC)

ROFL at image... I just love these AfD's about people since they give so much to talk and laugh about... the last one I've had was about Jessica Smith (poet) -- Slarti ( 19  92 ) 20:34, 19 October 2007 (UTC)

I can't help myself
Since you're always decorating your talk page, I thought maybe you'd want a picture of my new baby. Her name is Akroma. Please squee over her. (Yes, I know Wikipedia is not a free webhost. I'll delete the image later.)  -- Merope 02:43, 20 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Merope, I don't think you should delete it, in fact, I think it is an excellent representation of a kitten, and should remain! <font color="8B00FF">Ariel <font color="F64A8A">♥ <font color="007FFF">Gold 04:31, 20 October 2007 (UTC)
 * No, this image should obviously be added to both belt and chair, but not kitten. Akroma is obviously a far superior feline, not typical of her species and therefore not suitable to illustrate its article.  OK, back to my cocktail. -- <font color="White">But |<font color="White">seriously |<font color="White">folks   04:34, 20 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Perhaps you could create a new article about her, Super Kitty! Have another drink, and type away, it is bound to be an interesting read! <font color="8B00FF">Ariel <font color="F64A8A">♥ <font color="007FFF">Gold 04:46, 20 October 2007 (UTC)
 * That is an extremely adorable kitten, and I must add my squee to the chorus. It should be used to illustrate such articles as 'World peace' and 'Omnipotence.' -FisherQueen (talk · contribs) 12:14, 20 October 2007 (UTC)

Needing a good admin fairy again
Seems User:Nathweni and User:Bananas'n'Cream have a problem with my very existence and are now resorting to threats and personal attacks. See User talk:Bananas'n'Cream. I archived spat I had with these two over shetland pony after a third party opinion settled the matter, so it wasn't cluttering up the talk page, and have removed some of the flaming that was getting started on my talk page, though if you care, the discussion was here with the heading "Where do you get offf?" I am concerned with their level of threat, and feel that it is best for a third party to step in and help cool things down. In the past, Nathweni blanked my talk page, I think these two are just a couple of kids, but I wanted to give a few people a heads up that things are heating up with these folks, who seem determined to declare that I am acting in bad faith, which I am not. (That I am occasionally tired and snippy, I confess). I am going to try to step away from this spat and disengage, but I think someone with admin cred needs to talk to these folks. Thanks Montanabw (talk) 04:23, 20 October 2007 (UTC)

Sigh...note edit history of mare (horse), too. Anon IP 124.177.23.123 traces to Telestra, Australia, a generic ISP, almost certainly one of these two, not sure where Nathweni is from but Bananas'n'Cream is in Australia... —Preceding unsigned comment added by Montanabw (talk • contribs) 05:20, 20 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Cute. I'll be away all day, but will look in on you when I get back. -FisherQueen (talk · contribs) 12:16, 20 October 2007 (UTC)


 * I think Dreadstar is dealing with these people, but I would appreciate you just keeping an eye on things too, they seem to think I am horrible and I really have no clue why they have such a burr up their butts. Montanabw (talk) 00:43, 21 October 2007 (UTC)
 * What, this one? [[Image:AaronBurr.jpg|thumb|100px|left|That's gotta hurt . . .]]

-- <font color="White">But |<font color="White">seriously |<font color="White">folks  05:37, 21 October 2007 (UTC)

LOL! That may have been just the problem! I think the spat is now over, whew! Montanabw (talk) 06:36, 21 October 2007 (UTC)

You make silencing threats and attempt to bully me through my talk page
How is Transexualism in any way distinguishable from the recognised symptoms of Gender identity disorder, which is a diagnostic category of Abnormal psychology per professional consensus express in the DSM-IV Codes?? Grateful for you to enlighten me before you go ahead with any further plan to act the bully.NewLabourNewLies 12:29, 21 October 2007 (UTC)

this was intended for this page, not Wikipedia:Grief
 * To seek consensus for the change you want to make, use the talk page at Talk:Transsexualism, rather than my own talk page. You need community consensus, not just mine. I am an admin; blocking you for disruption isn't bullying, it's my job.  Bullying is actually what you're doing- trying to force your changes through without seeking consensus or paying any attention to those who disagree- and you're learning now that bullying tactics really don't work very well at Wikipedia.  -FisherQueen (talk · contribs) 12:37, 21 October 2007 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Psfk
You listed a position in Articles for deletion/Psfk after which I found and listed some sources and the discussion was relisted for more comment. Please consider revisiting Articles for deletion/Psfk. And if you have the time to incorporate the sourced material into the article, that would be terrific. Thanks. -- Jreferee    t / c  15:42, 21 October 2007 (UTC)
 * I had already !voted keep in that discussion... do you want me to look at your sources and then change my position? :) -FisherQueen (talk · contribs) 16:09, 21 October 2007 (UTC)

Diavlog
needs to be nominated for deletion. 99.230.228.58 18:14, 21 October 2007 (UTC)
 * It's fun to have a user account; then, you can create article, nominate articles for deletion, and other fun Wikiactivities. -FisherQueen (talk · contribs) 19:36, 21 October 2007 (UTC)

I need some help...
I noticed you're an admin, and to be honest an admin is exactly what I need at the moment. See, I'm having trouble with this one user, Keithn, and I was wondering whether he should already be blocked. A couple months back, an article he was somewhat obsessive about, BulletBall, was deleted thanksto my efforts. Now he's angry at me and any attempts I've made for communication are purposefully reverted once until he gives in and leaves them on his talk page, but doesn't answer. Could you maybe check this out, see what should be done, etc.? Thanks, Slarti  ( 19  92 ) 19:15, 21 October 2007 (UTC)
 * I looked at both sets of contributions, but I can't see what he's done that you think he should be blocked for. As far as I can tell, the two of you disagreed about what the consensus was on a deletion discussion, and he is removing your attempts to discuss it from his talk page.  You can't make him be friends with you if he doesn't want to, and he's allowed to remove comments from his talk page if he chooses.  If there's something else going on, I'm not really into reading all of both of your contribs for the last two weeks to try to find it. -FisherQueen (talk · contribs) 19:32, 21 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Yeah, that's what made me wonder whether he was doing something wrong. But if you say that removing stuff from his talk page isn't really an offense... OK. I'm just kind of mad since my attepmts at contacting him are perfectly harmless (or most of them) and he just removes them while I actually want to talk to him. The thing he did that I most consider an offense toward me is that he accused me of vandalism when I left comments on his talk page (see the last section on my talk page). And when I got a third person to see if he would talk to me, he started deleting the other person's comments as well. But if you say he hasn't done anything wrong... I guess you know best. Thanks anyway, Slarti  ( 19  92 ) 21:00, 21 October 2007 (UTC)
 * There was some stuff bordering on personal attack on the BulletBall talk page. However, this was deleted. There wouldn't happen to be any sort of "post-deletion history" or something like that, would there? -- Slarti ( 19  92 ) 21:18, 21 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Found something. Says at the last part of the second post in this section that I'm "doing a disservice to Wikipedia", and the whole sentences would roughly translate to "go away, don't edit this article". I consider that an offense. But this was about a month back so you probably didn't find it when you searched his contribs. This goes back about a month, just before the BulletBall article was deleted. Just telling you in case you wanted to browse through those contribs. -- Slarti ( 19  92 ) 21:28, 21 October 2007 (UTC)
 * My suggestion for now is that you stop leaving comments on his talk page. He's made it clear that he doesn't want to talk right now.  If he continues causing problems, then we can deal with future problems as they happen.  -FisherQueen (talk · contribs) 23:31, 21 October 2007 (UTC)
 * You probably know best. Thanks for your time. -- Slarti ( 19  92 ) 00:07, 22 October 2007 (UTC)

Talk page contribs only.
Hi FQ (and Isotope; have you considered #REDIRECT User talk:FisherQueen on your talk page? Might save time :P),

In your infinite and funny wisdom, is there any essay, policy, or general anti-troll statement anywhere about how just talk-page edits are a bad thing? Imbrella is testing my patience with exclusively talk-page edits and no mainspace contributions, all regards the failings of evolution and the spurious criticisms of creationists. There is no headway being made despite myself and several other contributors, and I'd like to push him/her away from debating on talk pages and towards actually contributing usefully.

Gracias,

WLU 23:43, 21 October 2007 (UTC)
 * I'm honestly not sure about this one... could you run it through AN/I? I don't think there's any rule against contributing in this way, and... do you really want him to start editing the mainspace, considering the nature of his contributions? -FisherQueen (talk · contribs) 10:50, 22 October 2007 (UTC)


 * It's a piss or get off the pot thing for me - actually contribute, or stop wasting our time. Oh, why isn't there a policy?  I should make one.  WLU 11:16, 22 October 2007 (UTC)
 * No redirect... I'm sure FQ doesn't want to be bothered with the tedium of some of the individuals who have taken an interest in me. To answer your question, no, there is no policy or guideline against editors who contribute exclusively outside the mainspace.  I've not really looked at  the contribs of, but hypothetically speaking, if someone is contributing worthwhile and meaningful content to talkpage discussions, then I'd say that is quite fine.  If they are trolling, they should be blocked.  If they are simply engaging in POV bickering and soapboxing, I'd leave them a friendly message suggesting they check out blogspot.com and ignore them.  We work on consensus and if someone is just using the talkpage to argue their minority point when consensus is clearly against them, there really is no reason to engage in this format... this isn't a forum or discussion page.--Isotope23 talk 12:37, 22 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Don't sell yourself short, I always take the time to read posts on your user page, and I'm sure FQ is just as fascinated.
 * Shunning would be a great alternative, but all the contributors (myself included) have a huge itch to respond to his/her comments. I'll bring up your point though (leaving my source anonymous.  Not even "I got this from an anonymouse source").  WLU 14:28, 22 October 2007 (UTC)
 * To be honest, it's been much quieter there since I started ignoring the people who seem to be more interested in wasting my time than anything else.--Isotope23 talk 17:12, 22 October 2007 (UTC)


 * Doesn't matter, user is now blocked. Like watching an avalanche in slow-mo.  You know it's coming, you know it's going to hurt.  WLU 17:21, 22 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Just for future reference... Shunning tends to work better if you don't announce it first (per the essay) :)--Isotope23 talk 17:27, 22 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Oh, no, not... er... that guy! That guy was so useful, too.  Those creation/evolution pages are so difficult to deal with in a cordial manner that anyone who makes a useful change is my hero.-FisherQueen (talk · contribs) 17:31, 22 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Maybe someone should get that editor Dr. Suresh's Activating Evolution as a lovely parting gift.--Isotope23 talk 18:11, 22 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Unannounced shunning? Nay, I like to think of my actions as a special application of WP:IAR and a wild mis-application of uncommon sense.  WLU 19:07, 22 October 2007 (UTC)

COI
Hi FQ,

I've just found out that, and replied with. Could you scan quickly and see if everything is kosher? I don't know what happens if someone edits with a COI, but I'm guessing it'll involve admin powers beyond my feeble reach. Can I ask you, or should I go to WP:ANI? And by 'you', I naturally mean both of you. Possibly all three, wasn't there another admin who hangs out here? WLU 15:36, 22 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Jeez, you'll scare the new guy. There's a conflict of interest noticeboard that's specifically for this stuff. -FisherQueen (talk · contribs) 15:41, 22 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Yeah, I don't like COI and tend to go a bit overboard. Thanks for the noticeboard, what do you think of his reply?  Should I apologize and withdraw my section?  WLU 15:47, 22 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Given that reply, I think you should issue an apology but remind the user of our attempts to maintain a neutral point of view, which is why the COI policy is in place. That'll help him/her learn about the project and how to contribute in a way that fits our mission.  And, for the record, I think at least four admins hang out here.  :)  -- Merope 15:49, 22 October 2007 (UTC)


 * Four? How do you all find the time to form cabals and write up the minutes from your diabolical meetings?  Can't have a good diabolical meeting without minutes to record the plotting.  I take your advice under engagement Merope, thanks.  I'll include a link to this discussion as well if you don't mind.  WLU 17:27, 22 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Well, we do have an evil stenographer, which helps a lot. And there are diabolical pastries. -FisherQueen (talk · contribs) 17:29, 22 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Diabolical pastries? They must be filled with sinfully-dark chocolate.  WLU 17:44, 22 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Most of them are, but one of them is filled with frog. That's why they're diabolical. -FisherQueen (talk · contribs) 17:44, 22 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Oh my, that is diabolical. You're the worst/best Rouge Admin/Diabolical Cabalist Evar! W00t!  WLU 19:04, 22 October 2007 (UTC)
 * It's a Crunchy Frog, by the way. -- <font color="White">But |<font color="White">seriously |<font color="White">folks  19:11, 22 October 2007 (UTC)
 * I love Monty Python jokes. And I've removed a redlink on that page.  And I officially feel guilty over using FQ's talk page as a forum.  I'm out, and on principle refuse to reply no matter how funny.  WLU 19:16, 22 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Well then, I refuse to comment on your refusal to reply. -- <font color="White">But |<font color="White">seriously |<font color="White">folks  19:24, 22 October 2007 (UTC)
 * I'm not replying to any of you. Bunch of slackers, go speedy-tag those spammers! Admins, isn't there a backlog at CSD?  (There's always a backlog at CSD...)  Get to work! -FisherQueen (talk · contribs) 19:26, 22 October 2007 (UTC)

I'm not an admin, so I am exempt from all criticism. I refuse to comment on BSF's refusal to comment on my refusal to reply, forming a neverending loop of illogic, causing the universe to disappear. *POP* WLU 19:32, 22 October 2007 (UTC)

user page links

 * i took your list of links. looked useful.  do you mind?  Law &amp; Disorder 19:58, 22 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Help yourself. I periodically add whatever I find myself needing to look up... you'll probably end up customizing it for your own frequently used pages too. -FisherQueen (talk · contribs) 20:06, 22 October 2007 (UTC)
 * I checked you out and noticed that you're new. Welcome to Wikipedia!  Feel free to ask me questions if you like... I only bite vandals.  And idiots.  But you don't appear to be either, so I'm glad to help you out if I can. -FisherQueen (talk · contribs) 20:23, 22 October 2007 (UTC)

Well, that's one reliable source.
Chelsea speaks!

W. T. F. -- Merope 20:51, 22 October 2007 (UTC)
 * ROFL, I hope that makes it into this week's Signpost! <font color="8B00FF">Ariel <font color="F64A8A">♥ <font color="007FFF">Gold 21:07, 22 October 2007 (UTC)


 * Lol I wish. Anywho, Chelsea saying "I don't know who did it"... I think I know who and I think Chelsea does too... -- Slarti ( 19  92 ) 22:19, 22 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Oh, my God. I feel like a celebrity now.  I wonder how in the world Reuters chose her... and if they agree that she's in the air we breathe. -FisherQueen (talk · contribs) 10:53, 23 October 2007 (UTC)
 * I sort of think that, if Chelsea is misleading reporters about the nature of this article, that might be a reason to restore the deletion discussion, so that people who are interested because of the news story can see the reasons for the deletion. -FisherQueen (talk · contribs) 12:15, 23 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Honestly, I'd personally just rather leave it deleted unless someone tries to DRV it. I certainly have my suspicions about some of the contributors there, but without proof I'd rather just leave it in the covered bin.  If consensus is to restore I certainly won't stand in the way.--Isotope23 talk 12:44, 23 October 2007 (UTC)

Transsexualism - category in abnormal psychology
Why did you remove Transsexualism from abnormal psychology?--J2000ca 04:54, 23 October 2007 (UTC)
 * I got the same question on my talk page and have answered at Talk:Transsexualism where the same user asked the same question. --AliceJMarkham 05:54, 23 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Your question has been answered on that article's talk page. -FisherQueen (talk · contribs) 10:51, 23 October 2007 (UTC)

...and now for something completely different
What do you think of this? worth an MFD?--Isotope23 talk 12:46, 23 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Er yeah... too many pipes.--Isotope23 talk 13:06, 23 October 2007 (UTC)
 * I was looking at that this morning... I can't figure out what it is. What is this little organization they think they've started, and what is its purpose?  I'm deeply puzzled by it.  I'd really like to have someone who speaks ... er... Asian translate the characters on this template, too.  I ran "fung suo" through babelfish as Chinese and got nothing. -FisherQueen (talk · contribs) 13:10, 23 October 2007 (UTC)
 * The abridged version... some editors decided to start a group that was part WP:CVU, part WP:EA, and part WP:AMA. The pages were tagged and deleted after an MFD. This editor appears to have offered "his space" so they can restart it. To be clear, the 2 individuals who started the group have grokked that it is time to walk away.  Later additions seem to have not gotten this yet.  Regardless, while sandboxes are acceptable, this looks more like a dumping ground for stuff that has been deleted elsewhere doesn't it?--Isotope23 talk 13:18, 23 October 2007 (UTC)
 * If it's an attempt to restart a deleted group, then yes, I think that an MfD would be appropriate for it. -FisherQueen (talk · contribs) 13:19, 23 October 2007 (UTC)
 * I deleted the "restart" per G4... I'm more trying to decide what to do with the bridge toll (?) information page and just the general idea of a storage "free host". Oh, and you could always ask  what the Kanji mean since he created the images...  I only recognize a handful and those are not ones I know.--Isotope23 talk 13:22, 23 October 2007 (UTC)
 * It's not as if I was going to start using it or anything... but I'd hate to think of anyone using a template that says "fuck you vandal scum" in Chinese along the sides. For example. -FisherQueen (talk · contribs) 15:11, 23 October 2007 (UTC)
 * I thought it said "Mr. Lee uses Calgon"... but like I said, my kanji knowledge is incomplete. --Isotope23 talk 15:14, 23 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Funny how things go around, I actually ran into this issue the other day, while doing Help Desk monitoring, he did a asking if he was allowed to make the template. Well, you can see my replies, and I did fix some of the issues, but the coding was completely off. But yes, now I recall that's one of the users who was creating that "organization" and electing officers, etc., to fight vandalism... interesting turn of events. I'm leaving it in your capable admin hands, lol. <font color="8B00FF">Ariel <font color="F64A8A">♥ <font color="007FFF">Gold  11:55, 24 October 2007 (UTC)

Your troll
Queenie, I rv'd the troll that hit your user page and was going to block him, but you beat me to it. You were too nice to him, he deserved indef for a vandal only acct, not one year. I'm sorry he harrassed you. On a lighter note, your comments to these guys are hilarious.Rlevse 15:33, 23 October 2007 (UTC)
 * My attitude toward trolls is- they're teenagers. This guy is a troll at 15... at 16, he might well be ready to become an editor.  That's why I tend toward one-year rather than indef blocks for trolling children... but I'm not that married to my theory, either.  This poor kid just made a factual error, after all.  I'm not a fag, I'm a dyke. -FisherQueen (talk · contribs) 15:35, 23 October 2007 (UTC)
 * ROFL! I literally almost fell out of my chair at that one! While you seem quite capable of taking care of yourself, you let me know if you ever need help.Rlevse 15:37, 23 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Thanks, dude. Where would I be without my posse? -FisherQueen (talk · contribs) 15:38, 23 October 2007 (UTC)

True. At 16, he'll probably realize that the dykes are the ones with the bumps. . . -- <font color="White">But |<font color="White">seriously |<font color="White">folks  15:41, 23 October 2007 (UTC)

Nas talk
I have been on Nas talk...please check...you denied my request because you found no evidence that I was on the discussion but there i am..sosa..samil20...before blocking me you should block the other person as well because he was just as engaged in edit warring as I was....keep it up and I will file a grievance.- Sosa —Preceding unsigned comment added by 198.110.88.240 (talk) 21:56, 23 October 2007 (UTC)
 * In general, Samil20, it's a good idea not to log off to make comments, because unsigned comments from an anonymous IP can be confusing for users. You are welcome to file a grievance against me- the appropriate place to do it is at the administrators' noticeboard- but I think you'll find that you won't get much sympathy, since my comment was phrased as a polite and reasonable question about whether you want to enter immediately into the same edit conflict that you were so recently blocked over.  You can, of course, but I'd hate to see you blocked for edit-warring again. -FisherQueen (talk · contribs) 22:02, 23 October 2007 (UTC)

Chatsworth Road Market
--User:Drfinn page "Chatsworth Road Market" Why did you delete my page? Information was sourced from various areas and not plaigarised. Wouldn't it have been far more civil to advise changes instead of deleted the work it took me hours to create? I'm a Hackney local of long standing with an interest in my local community and do not appreciate the flippant way you deleted a posting on what I feel is part of the areas heart and soul. Lets come to some agreement here please. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Drfinn (talk • contribs) 01:54, 24 October 2007 (UTC)
 * See (Speedy deleted per (CSD G12), was a blatant copyright infringement and . — Rlevse  •  Talk  • 02:13, 24 October 2007 (UTC)
 * The article I deleted cited 0 sources, and was copied from another web page. If I hadn't deleted it for the copyright infringement, I would have sent it to AfD for the lack of assertion of notability.  Your talk page has many, many comments explaining these problems, which you either haven't been reading or didn't understand.  There's even one that I wrote personally to you when I deleted this article, which answered these questions before you even asked them.  -FisherQueen (talk · contribs) 11:35, 24 October 2007 (UTC)

Helpme
Thanks for the message. No me and him aren't the same individual... we edit different topics. --Whitmorewolveyr 13:41, 24 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Yes, I do want my userpage deleted. Wasn't testing the tag out. --Whitmorewolveyr 13:42, 24 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Done. -FisherQueen (talk · contribs) 13:44, 24 October 2007 (UTC)

Nehoryn
--User:Hoxman You have deleted my page, I understand, this is a young band. But why this page is not deleted : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Binary_Mind Please, delete all pages according to your reflection or restore the 3 sentences about my musical project. Thank you. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Hoxman (talk • contribs) 16:10, 24 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Thanks for pointing out another non-notable band page.--Isotope23 talk 16:13, 24 October 2007 (UTC)
 * If you're interested in helping us remove articles about non-notable bands, we can always use the help. Welcome to Wikipedia! -FisherQueen (talk · contribs) 16:16, 24 October 2007 (UTC)
 * --User:Hoxman Thank you ;-) See you soon ^^

Bryce Rheeder
Bryce Rheeder has been deleted for soliciting false information; Brycei7 is the user spreading this false information. Can you please address this? I'd suggest salting the actor article. —Erik (talk • contrib) - 18:26, 24 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Thank you for pointing this out; I didn't realize that it had already been deleted through afd. -FisherQueen (talk · contribs) 18:28, 24 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Deleted and the proud recipient of my very first salting. (I'm not much of a cook...) -FisherQueen (talk · contribs) 18:31, 24 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Haha! Thank you very much for taking care of the matter. :) —Erik (talk • contrib) - 18:35, 24 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Would immediate deletion of Look Its That Kid (film) be warranted based on the user conduct? There's no verifiable information about the film, which is in line with the distribution of false information by the user. —Erik (talk • contrib) - 18:37, 24 October 2007 (UTC)
 * BTW, creator has been blocked as a sockpuppet.--Isotope23 talk 18:43, 24 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Why do people even try to mess with Wikipedia? Don't they know how bad we are? -FisherQueen (talk · contribs) 18:54, 24 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Just wait until you get your own fan club.--Isotope23 talk 19:49, 24 October 2007 (UTC)

delete templates

 * Moved from your userpage ~ Riana ⁂ 12:29, 25 October 2007 (UTC)

I explained my reason for removing the templates. No discussion or reason was given on the talk page. Content was deleted from the article at the same time that explained the intent of the article. It looked very much like a simple act of vandalism. Rogerfgay 12:25, 25 October 2007 (UTC)
 * And did you still think that after the third time he warned you that it was a policy violation? It isn't vandalism to think that an article should be deleted, or to nominate it for deletion, even if the article creator disagrees.  The AFD template clearly says that it is not to be removed until the discussion is over; AFDs that are made in bad faith close quickly, because it's obvious to the community that some articles should be kept.  The articles you created are not obvious, and some discussion of them will be helpful. -FisherQueen (talk · contribs) 12:32, 25 October 2007 (UTC)

Need your opinion
I deleted Bill Lichtenstein for having copyvios from some Lichtenstein Media sites. Bill contacted me recently and I told him I'd have a look and if he met WP:BIO, I'd post a new stub. I've been collecting some stuff in my sandbox. What do you think? Peabody award winning producer meets WP:BIO? A couple sources I found are not independant from him, but I think a NY Times story and the award should be enough. What is your opinion?--Isotope23 talk 15:24, 25 October 2007 (UTC)
 * just jumping in here, I say go for it. — Rlevse  •  Talk  • 15:26, 25 October 2007 (UTC)
 * PBS is a reliable source as well, and NYT definitely holds weight. Three National News Emmy Award nominations, plus a Peabody award meets criteria for media biographies, I believe, and the www.kidsmentalhealth.org is a reliable source, as well. I'd say a decent start-class article could be written easily about him. <font color="8B00FF">Ariel <font color="F64A8A">♥ <font color="007FFF">Gold 15:55, 25 October 2007 (UTC)
 * I started a stub. I think the core problem here is that Bill holds copyright on some of the text that was being added and perhaps doesn't understand the implications of the copywritten text being posted on a copyleft site.  I'm going to try and get in touch with him.--Isotope23 talk 16:22, 25 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Ahhh, yeah if he can give permission, that would definitely help issues, lol. Okay, I'm really off to try to sleep now! See you on the flip side. <font color="8B00FF">Ariel <font color="F64A8A">♥ <font color="007FFF">Gold 16:33, 25 October 2007 (UTC)

I almost missed this
In trying to avoid deletion, what reasons did the creator of the LAX group page give to you ? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Micha851 (talk • contribs) 14:35, 26 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Are you referring to this very old AFD?--Isotope23 talk 14:42, 26 October 2007 (UTC)
 * I really, truly don't remember. But if this band has become more notable, you can take the better sources to deletion review and ask for the article to be undeleted.  -FisherQueen (talk · contribs) 21:46, 26 October 2007 (UTC)

Please stop
Please stop. Rogerfgay 15:27, 25 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Stop what? I tried giving you a word or two of advice, because you looked like you were getting frustrated, about what you could do to prevent so many admins from admonishing you on your talk page... I do give friendly advice, when people seem to need it.  -FisherQueen (talk · contribs) 16:10, 25 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Anyway, I see that you didn't take my advice- which was that admins might stop warning you for doing the same thing if they could see that you'd already been warned- and removed my note from your talk page, too. That's your right.  I see that you also added some unsourced pov to another article, which shows that while you're getting angrier and angrier at people correcting you, you haven't yet quite mastered the way we do things at Wikipedia, which is calm, neutral, and sourced, even when we disagree with each other.  At this point, you have a problem that is going to get solved.  It would be groovy if it's solved by your reading up on policy and learning to do things in the Wikipedia way.  Or it might get solved when you get blocked for persistently disrupting the process of writing the encyclopedia.  I hope you choose the first, but if you choose the second, that's okay with me, too. -FisherQueen (talk · contribs) 17:09, 25 October 2007 (UTC)
 * I see that you've been blocked now. That was more or less what I was trying to help you avoid. -FisherQueen (talk · contribs) 12:15, 26 October 2007 (UTC)

Notability question
'Cause you're so knowledgeable and knotable regards knotability, do you think Keen Footwear deserves an AFD, or is the single article in The Oakland Tribune it's saving grace? WLU 18:11, 25 October 2007 (UTC)
 * I... just don't know. I'm filled with doubt.  Am I losing my edge?  Or I distracted by the sobbing of the child whose two cellphones I confiscated?  Or maybe this one is just kind of uncertain... I googled and used findarticles, and it does seem at least to be a legit company... -FisherQueen (talk · contribs) 20:58, 25 October 2007 (UTC)


 * That's ok, I still think you're great. And those little bastards deserved it.  Swap their batteries.  Lick the keypads.  Rub the handset on something unmentionable...use Isotope's unmentionable.
 * Remember, crying prevents cancer of the tear ducts. It says so on Wikipedia.  Or it will soon...
 * The question for me is, is just being a legit company with one newspaper article in a non-national newspaper sufficient? A loose reading of WP:CORP syas it does.  I hate loose readings, I love strict policies.  WLU 00:19, 26 October 2007 (UTC)
 * 2 phones from the same kid? Were they calling themselves?--Isotope23 talk 12:58, 26 October 2007 (UTC)
 * No, she was using her mom's good cell phone, and when I tried to confiscate it, she dug in her purse and gave me her own cheap cell phone instead. So I ended up confiscating both of them. -FisherQueen (talk · contribs) 14:02, 26 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Ha ha ha... you are so cruel. I love it.--Isotope23 talk 14:44, 26 October 2007 (UTC)


 * You should have given her a backhand or two for lip.
 * I wish I was a teacher where cruelty in the school system was institutionalized. The kids these days with their Wrap Music and MTVs and Creationism.  Grumble.  Where's my pants?!?!? WLU 15:50, 26 October 2007 (UTC)
 * I like rap music. I like MTV, too.  And creationism is hilarious.  You should probably find your pants, if you want to continue fighting evil today. -FisherQueen (talk · contribs) 15:52, 26 October 2007 (UTC)

Fortunately my computer allows pant-less contributions. Also: FOR HAVING AN USER TALK PAGE OF MOST AWESOME AMUSEMENT, I GRANT ONE, YON FISHERQUEEN, AN INDULGENCE OF THE PLENARY SORT, REDEEMABLE FOR TWO MINOR SINS (i.e. failing to eat one's broccoli), ONE MEDIUM SIN (i.e. watching of the show most diabolic, Survivor), ONE HALF OF ONE MAJOR SIN (i.e. caring about Paris Hilton's latest exploit) OR ONE QUARTER OF ONE MORTAL SIN (i.e. murder through to attempting to offer an other's soul to the Devil in exchange for immortality). Redeemable off-wikipedia only. It's not my fault, coupons are fickle. WLU 16:20, 26 October 2007 (UTC)
 * I'm afraid I'm going to have to use it for the profound wrath I felt at the person in my gym who was watching televangelists this morning. I like God as much as the next girl, but that stuff is ten times worse before breakfast.  -FisherQueen (talk · contribs) 17:06, 26 October 2007 (UTC)


 * Makes me wish I was sitting next to a girl so I could ask her how much she likes God. I am pleased I could provide said indulgence at a fortuitous moment.  Yay for me!  WLU 17:15, 26 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Eh, it could have been worse... it could have been this guy you were listening to. Probably the second greatest moment of personal victory I've ever felt was when I argued with this guy on a college campus and actually got him completely discombobulated.  I figured I'd never see him again after that, but he did condemn me to hell, so maybe we'll run into each other again after all. --Isotope23 talk 17:35, 26 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Poor Phred. He's clearly profoundly mentally ill, but it's sad that his family has been so sucked into his delusions.  I wonder what'll happen when he dies?  (I'd really love to organize gay people to be ready when the time comes, to stand at the funeral with signs that say "God forgives Fred.") -FisherQueen (talk · contribs) 17:36, 26 October 2007 (UTC)
 * As a straight (sane) person, I'd still protest, even if I wasn't a supporter of gay rights.
 * I would have a different sign, but kudos to you for being so understanding.
 * If his family is still with him, methinks there's something genetic there; the alternative is terrifying. WLU 17:47, 26 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Yep, I really, really hope that happens. I'd also love to see every single present and former American serviceperson (who are able to) attend and hold up an American flag while the Patriot Guard Riders gun their engines during the whole service.  That would be a sight to behold.--Isotope23 talk 17:56, 26 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Much of his contributions to society have come in the form of picketing funerals. I think that his funeral would be an opportunity for his victims to show their moral superiority to him, by resisting the temptation to retaliate while acknowledging what he did. I'd like to see gay choirs singing hymns outside.  "Amazing Grace" seems like an obvious choice.  -FisherQueen (talk · contribs) 20:45, 26 October 2007 (UTC)
 * You are a better person than I FQ... My base instinct would be to disrupt.--Isotope23 talk 21:18, 26 October 2007 (UTC)

I can't resist jumping in here. The Westboro Church and Fred Phelps are getting sued for disrupting funerals (saw it in the news today). This article was about a Marine who died in Iraq. I salute the father who stood up to these idiots. This Marine and his family are entitled to a dignified burial, not some circus side of Fred and his Westboro church. Ditto for all the other funerals they've disrupted. People will disagree about all sorts of things when they are alive, including war and homosexuality, but EVERYONE is entitled to a dignified burial. — Rlevse  •  Talk  • 20:53, 26 October 2007 (UTC)

Look! It's that rarest of treasures, a new editor who isn't a vandal or an idiot! Treasure her.
Thanks for helping with the footnote to Dioclesian. I see that you teach English- me too, until my retirement. —Preceding unsigned comment added by JuliaJG (talk • contribs)
 * I was happy to help. Feel free to tag me with any other questions you have as you learn your way around here... it's a challenge, but an entertaining one.-FisherQueen (talk · contribs) 11:36, 26 October 2007 (UTC)

Vandalism
Thank you for your help on my User page - much appreciated! StephenBuxton 11:10, 26 October 2007 (UTC)

1RR
Are we at 1RR now on your precious Potter pages? KurdzenWeys 20:47, 26 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Two by my count, the first clearly vandalism, the second more subtle, but since it follows the vandalism immediately, it seems unlikely to be intended for improving the article. You're welcome to stop, I just put the lowest-level warning on your talk page as a friendly reminder. -FisherQueen (talk · contribs) 21:38, 26 October 2007 (UTC)

Question
So you're saying posting a link to animated content that aired nationally in an electric football site about electric football....in not notable? Okay, here's three then. http://www.adweek.com/aw/creative/best_spots_02/020318_21.jsp http://www.boardsmag.com/screeningroom/animation/259/ https://www.shootonline.com/go/news-view.13163.Davey-And-Goliath-Resurrected.html Can you help me put them back up now? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Chuck sample (talk • contribs) 20:17 October 26, 2007
 * Added this after the editor who added it removed others' comments. <font color="8B00FF">Ariel <font color="F64A8A">♥ <font color="007FFF">Gold 02:16, 27 October 2007 (UTC)
 * So what does animated content do to confirm the information in the article, or to give the reader more reliable information about electric football? Wikipedia isn't a link farm, it's an encyclopedia; if the link doesn't help the reader learn about the topic, it isn't needed in the article.  -FisherQueen (talk · contribs) 02:23, 27 October 2007 (UTC)

I understand what wikipedia is, which is why a link showing what electric football is seems important. After all, doesn't this link do the same: Wild Horses Reduxan animated film using Electric Football players by PES The only difference is the animated content that I'm trying to put up actually aired. One is from an animated show, one aired at a live football game, and one was a commercial on TV. So, in a world where we can explain things and link to things that show exactly what we're talking about is, why not. And if you say it's not a link farm...then how did that other spec commercial that didn't even air get up? I just don't see how that makes sense? I just don't think that I'm being silly here, I'm just standing up for what I think is unfair editing. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.126.249.222 (talk) 14:46, 27 October 2007 (UTC)
 * I'm afraid I don't know what you are talking about. I'm not a regular editor at Electric football, and if there are other inappropriate external links on that article, I don't mind if they're removed, too.  If you think that link is important to the article, all you need to do is discuss it with the other editors of that article on the talk page, and seek consensus that it should be added.  If you are as right as you claim you are, it should be easy to show that the other editors agree with you that this link is appropriate, without having to edit war to add it. -FisherQueen (talk · contribs) 14:57, 27 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Okay, I looked at the links on that article, and I agree with you that there was another link on that article that wasn't exactly useful. Thank you for bringing it to my attention; I have removed it.  If you're interested in that kind of work, we can always use folks to help us keep inappropriate links off of Wikipedia. -FisherQueen (talk · contribs) 15:30, 27 October 2007 (UTC)

I guess I was confused before. When I saw that link showing electric football I thought it would be okay to show it. You (and your editors) have an opinion that doesn't need to be there. At least by taking down that other link you are fair about it, and it makes your decision to keep mine of consistent. Sorry to waste your time, but thanks for clearing it up. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Chuck sample (talk • contribs) 15:44, 27 October 2007 (UTC)

ANI troll
Hi FisherQueen,

I was looking thru User:Haute Fuzze's contribs, trying to formulate a warning for his ANI troll, when I saw you beat me to the punch. Take a look and tell me if a final warning, or even an outright block if you're feeling rouge, would be in order. He's been trolling since day 1. --barneca (talk) 03:10, 27 October 2007 (UTC)
 * You know, I was just looking at those same edits, and after some consideration, I made the decision to just indef block him. Every single edit he has ever made has been trolling in one way or another; I can't believe it took this long for someone to smack him down.  I kind of get the impression this may not be his only account; maybe someone else will recognize him. Maybe I'm overstepping my authority in indeffing him... but at any rate, he won't be trolling any more tonight. -FisherQueen (talk · contribs) 03:14, 27 October 2007 (UTC)
 * If I were an admin, that's what I would have done. Trolling-only account.  Especially now that the new, improved anti-trolling policy has been handed down from above. Thanks. --barneca (talk) 03:19, 27 October 2007 (UTC)

Question
Was this an edit conflict or do you feel that I didn't use clear enough wording? Not an accusation, I am honestly asking. <b style="color:green;">IrishGuy</b> <sup style="color:blue;">talk 03:36, 27 October 2007 (UTC)
 * That was an edit conflict; I didn't know you had responded at the same time. Your prose is as eloquent as ever. -FisherQueen (talk · contribs) 11:18, 27 October 2007 (UTC)

Hey Rama!!
Hey Rama, Raima, or whatever your name is, keep your nose out of my business and tend to your own affairs. If I want to post a message on users David-A or Gaashooru's talk pages, that my business, stay out of it!!!!--69.132.96.215 02:46, 27 October 2007 (UTC)
 * I have no idea what that's about, but does it have any relationship to this user, who has a similar vocabulary? -FisherQueen (talk · contribs) 03:03, 27 October 2007 (UTC)
 * No, it doesn't. It has to do with this user. Who unfortunately seems to be back. Time to keep an eye on the comics-based pages again... Gscshoyru 03:46, 27 October 2007 (UTC)

AfD nomination of OffTopic.com
An article that you have been involved in editing, OffTopic.com, has been listed for deletion. If you are interested in the deletion discussion, please participate by adding your comments at Articles for deletion/OffTopic.com (3rd nomination). Thank you. It's been well over a year, I think it's time to take this for another spin. hbdragon88 04:54, 27 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Whee! -FisherQueen (talk · contribs) 11:19, 27 October 2007 (UTC)

If you want a good laugh
Go read the AFD for Ottawa Panhandlers Union, now not only am I the boss of wikipedia but I'm also part of some huge international conspiracy to suppress information about a few homeless people in Canada. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ridernyc (talk • contribs) 06:56, 27 October 2007 (UTC)
 * It's first thing in the morning, but I feel confident in saying that I won't read anything all day funnier than "How many KEEPs do I have to put here for you guys to understand." -FisherQueen (talk · contribs) 11:24, 27 October 2007 (UTC)
 * I particularly liked Samir's reply to that: "Wait a second, how many keeps have you put on here?" [[Image:Face-smile-big.svg|25px]] <font color="8B00FF">Ariel <font color="F64A8A">♥ <font color="007FFF">Gold 11:33, 27 October 2007 (UTC)
 * I love the 3 keeps in a row all within 10 minutes of each other, All with the same weird formating, one from a user 2 from IP's but no one was sock puppeting.Ridernyc 13:42, 27 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Oh and if you haven't read the stuff that got cut out. They accuse samir of being a police sgt. it's great.Ridernyc 13:44, 27 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Even if Samir were an Ottawa police sergeant, the article still would have the same WP:ORG problem. It's a shame- if the defender weren't acting so much like a complete nutcase, the article might get more benefit of the doubt from reviewers.  He's just smashing holes in his own canoe as fast as he can. -FisherQueen (talk · contribs) 15:36, 27 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Eactly if they would listen and clean it up and fix the POV, I would have no problem with it, Just when I try to fact check some of the statements they make and find a blog it makes it hard to stick up for them. Then the conspiracy crap starts. Ridernyc 17:01, 27 October 2007 (UTC)

Creepy sock
I think I found Creepy Crawler's IP address - User:70.188.24.125. There's a whole bunch of warnings about barefoot edits, and he reverted one of mine to feature bare feet. WLU 13:55, 27 October 2007 (UTC)
 * It is nearly winter now, isn't it a little cold to go barefoot? <font color="8B00FF">Ariel <font color="F64A8A">♥ <font color="007FFF">Gold 14:21, 27 October 2007 (UTC)
 * When you are spreading your fetish across wikipedia like mustard across a delicious, delicious sandwich, it's never too cold to go barefoot. WLU 14:23, 27 October 2007 (UTC)
 * ~*Snickers*~ Yes, I did read that when you first put it up, quite entertaining, dear WLU! <font color="8B00FF">Ariel <font color="F64A8A">♥ <font color="007FFF">Gold 14:45, 27 October 2007 (UTC)
 * I'm not quite sure of the protocol for blocking IPs. He does appear to be the only person using that IP right now... I made it a month rather than indef until I have a better understanding of the policy, but if someone more experienced wants to shorten or lengthen my block, I won't think they're wheel-warring. -FisherQueen (talk · contribs) 15:05, 27 October 2007 (UTC)
 * The IP seems to be static, because it's all comics, games and bare feet, so I upgraded to indefblock. And why can't I find a free image of an old-fashioned beverage can pull tab? -- <font color="White">But |<font color="White">seriously |<font color="White">folks   16:44, 27 October 2007 (UTC)


 * Two things:
 * Does this prevent Creepy from creating future creepy accounts? If so, huzzah!
 * Have you read my essay on not spreading your fetish like delicious mustard across a sandwich? It's linked above.  It was inspired by said sockpuppeter.  And if I do say so myself, it's quite amusing.  Feed my ego!  WLU 16:50, 27 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Yes, but only from that computer, and yes, best use of the literary device of using the same adjective twice, which must have a name but I can't think of it. FQ jump in please. -- <font color="White">But |<font color="White">seriously |<font color="White">folks   16:51, 27 October 2007 (UTC)

Plush Movies; they're not what you think; thank God.
I've observed in the recent past (an AfD) that you have a taste for bathos and thus might be amused by Articles for deletion/Plush Movies; at least, I was. Would that the little darlings put half so much effort into their homework. Accounting4Taste 02:15, 28 October 2007 (UTC)
 * I have weighed in. I hope I won't be guilty of canvassing if I confess here that I voted delete; if any one here goes there, I encourage them not to just vote as I did, but to seriously consider the sources and decide for themselves whether or not Wikipedia will benefit from keeping this article.  -FisherQueen (talk · contribs) 12:01, 28 October 2007 (UTC)
 * I should have offered that caveat myself -- I do encourage everyone to make up his/her own mind about this and any AfD, and thank FisherQueen for reminding everyone not only of that but also for tagging the top of the discussion to remind people that it's not a vote. And also for making sure that we didn't think that plush movies were ... eurgh, I'm not going there; they're movies made by children with their plush toys and posted on YouTube, and what they are not is up to you to consider.  Accounting4Taste 14:59, 28 October 2007 (UTC)
 * I'm glad you shared this AfD with me; you're right that I get inordinate amounts of amusement out of watching the ignorant thrash around in their ignorance making a spectacle of themselves. I'm, unfortunately, not a very nice person. -FisherQueen (talk · contribs) 18:19, 28 October 2007 (UTC)

Back and barefoot
Special:Contributions/MutantGarden. I wonder who this is? Rollback? WLU 13:33, 28 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Oh good grief. Okay, who else thinks it is time to put together a list of socks, and request a checkuser to block the underlying IP if possible? <font color="8B00FF">Ariel <font color="F64A8A">♥ <font color="007FFF">Gold 13:53, 28 October 2007 (UTC)
 * I don't know what that means, but I'm still in favour or it happening. If you check the what links here on Creepy Crawler, I've put in sock templates on all the socks I've been able to find.  WLU 14:02, 28 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Well, if someone wishes to take the time to get all the socks listed, (use the template), then we can submit a request for a Checkuser to identify the underlying IP, and if they are all within a certain range, (assuming that range is not so wide that it would likely affect many innocent users) the range can be blocked to prevent them from creating more accounts. Anyway, I reported it to AIV, got it blocked, and helped revert the edits, so for today, anyway, our barefoot fetishist has had his fun. <font color="8B00FF">Ariel <font color="F64A8A">♥ <font color="007FFF">Gold  14:04, 28 October 2007 (UTC)
 * I agree that a checkuser might be helpful at this point. -FisherQueen (talk · contribs) 17:44, 28 October 2007 (UTC)


 * I looked up WP:RCU and didn't really understand it, but since I'm probably the most familiar with Creepy's contributions, I can post the list of users and diffs if desired. I don't think I'm familiar enough with all the aspects of vandalism to really contribute on the RCU page, unless there's some other policy pages I should read up on first.  Glad to help if I can.  WLU 18:16, 28 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Okay if you know all the various socks (or even most of the major ones) then just list them using the template, and provide a couple diffs that illustrate the "barefoot" thing, (if they are on the same articles that helps prove it is the same, but this editor's MO is so obviously similar it shouldn't matter if they're not the same articles). So if you can post names, put them into a template like this: (edit this to see how it looks)
 * If you can gather that information and post it here, that would be a ton of help! <font color="8B00FF">Ariel <font color="F64A8A">♥ <font color="007FFF">Gold 18:20, 28 October 2007 (UTC)
 * If you can gather that information and post it here, that would be a ton of help! <font color="8B00FF">Ariel <font color="F64A8A">♥ <font color="007FFF">Gold 18:20, 28 October 2007 (UTC)


 * OK, so you'd like to see the following?
 * Perfect. Are there any others? I could have sworn there were more than three, lol. Oh, and since I'm not as familiar, is there a reason that the original sock, Creepy, didn't do the whole "barefoot" thing? What's the connection between Creepy Crawler and these users, I checked both of the SSP reports for CC, and didn't see any mention of this whole barefoot thing. Just wondering how they're connected. <font color="8B00FF">Ariel <font color="F64A8A">♥ <font color="007FFF">Gold 18:44, 28 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Added four more. <font color="8B00FF">Ariel <font color="F64A8A">♥ <font color="007FFF">Gold 18:51, 28 October 2007 (UTC)


 * Also note here, here, previous RCU, here, here, here, here WLU 19:31, 28 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Cool beans. Yeah I noticed the category junk earlier. Okay, this should be good to get a CU going. If Queen doesn't want to do it, I can get Rlevse to either help me, or do it himself, he's really awesome with CU stuff. I moved them all together (sorry about the edit conflict, lol), you did an awesome job! <font color="8B00FF">Ariel <font color="F64A8A">♥ <font color="007FFF">Gold  19:38, 28 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Ariel, if you want this job, you're more than welcome to it, and have fun. -FisherQueen (talk · contribs) 21:05, 28 October 2007 (UTC)
 * There's more. I'll keep adding them below this line.  I've always used two things to identify this particular user - the first is the spurious barefoot entries, the second is the addition of a bunch of dubiously worthwhile categories or their alphabetization.  The patterns seem to have changed over time, this particular sock appears to have a long history of sockpuppetry with a shifting pattern.  Or it's multiple people, I'm not really sure.  No matter what though, the contribution patter shows an obvious list of problematic edits.  Another indicator is the way the account usually ends its contribution history immediately after I put the sockpuppet notice up or otherwise initiate communication on the talk page.  WLU 20:04, 28 October 2007 (UTC)


 * All blocked now. -- <font color="White">But |<font color="White">seriously |<font color="White">folks  20:22, 28 October 2007 (UTC)

All the socks I could find

 * , ,
 * ,, category changes
 * - not put up by me; it's always possible that barefoot guy isn't creepy, but still deserves to be blocked.
 * , ,
 * ,, category fun
 * , ,
 * 
 * 
 * 
 * , ,
 * , ,
 * , ,
 * 
 * , ,
 * , ,
 * , ,
 * , ,
 * , ,
 * ,, the other trademark of the puppetmaster, loves to add categories
 * , ,
 * , ,
 * , ,
 * ,, [
 * , ,
 * , ,
 * , ,
 * IP Blanked ManiacMikey's page
 * 
 * 


 * Also note here, here, previous RCU, here, here, here, here

WLU 01:06, 29 October 2007 (UTC)


 * I can't possibly be the first person to find it ironic that the barefoot guy needs so many socks?  Acroterion  (talk)  01:16, 29 October 2007 (UTC)


 * Ha ha! That was awful.  I hope you're ashamed.  WLU 01:21, 29 October 2007 (UTC)


 * Not in the least - just picking the low-hanging fruit.   Acroterion  (talk)  01:26, 29 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Blocked the new ones. -- <font color="White">But |<font color="White">seriously |<font color="White">folks  01:35, 29 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Okay, if they're all blocked (with ACB, I assume?) then is there a valid reason for a checkuser? Do you guys think the editor is getting around an ACB by using a rotating IP, and if so, would a checkuser really be able to stop it? Only having one IP in all these, it is hard to judge if this would be something remotely possible, so I guess I'm wondering if it is even worth doing a CU on. <font color="8B00FF">Ariel <font color="F64A8A">♥ <font color="007FFF">Gold 06:21, 29 October 2007 (UTC)
 * I wouldn't bother with a checkuser. They usually reject requests to confirm obvious socks like this.  Let's give it some time to see if he is able to post after I hard blocked his IP just a couple of days ago.  Judging from the IP contribs, it's obviously static.
 * Ooooh! Just found an earlier IP, also static.  All of the contribs are his.  AND an older registered username.  For those of you waiting for the plot to thicken, the new username, ManiacMikey, is already tagged as a suspected sock of BorisTheBlade, which also has the familiar edit pattern.  I'm blocking them and adding them to the list above. <font color="White">But |<font color="White">seriously |<font color="White">folks   06:50, 29 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Yeah, that's what I figured too, these are just so obvious no real need for a CU. Should the tags on those users be changed from BorisTheBlade socks to Creepy Crawler? <font color="8B00FF">Ariel <font color="F64A8A">♥ <font color="007FFF">Gold 06:50, 29 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Can I just add... good gravy. I mean, jeez.  Who the hell does this?  My mind is boggling. -FisherQueen (talk · contribs) 11:26, 29 October 2007 (UTC)

Obviously someone with even more time than we have. I'll post here if I see any more socks. I think I've got enough of the pages watched, and the pattern's sufficiently obvious, that I can spot him if he comes back. Or she. Possibly a he/she, let's not be...hermaphrist? I would think that the easiest thing would be to use the sockmaster/mistress with the most RCU done on him/her (I think there's been a couple) and tag them with his/her sock name. I think that's Creepy, but I'm sufficiently unsure as to hope that someone else does it :) WLU 18:28, 29 October 2007 (UTC)

Re: Citizen Kane
I checked his discussion with Erik and it appears that he is only dismissing the guideline because it doesn't say anything about film-related articles (as if that was an excuse). I don;t know how else I can explain to him why wee don't need to list every article upon which the policy applies (in this case, all articles) and he has a history of violating the 3RR despite discussion so I just thought I wouldn't bother. Reginmund 17:58, 28 October 2007 (UTC)

Re: User:Shmede
My younger brother would like to apologise greatly for all the nonsense he has caused today on Wikipedia, and would like to know if there is any way he can get all the information back that was on his userpage? It took him hours to perfect and just wishes that he can have a copy of it to save. He does not wish to trouble you further by re-posting it on Wikipedia, is there anything that you can do? Many thanks in this matter, Schumi555 19:44, 28 October 2007 (UTC)
 * While it is technically feasible to retrieve this and I don't speak for, I'm going to go ahead and say, "no, nobody is willing to get that for him."--Isotope23 talk 20:27, 28 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Okay thanks anyway! Regards, Schumi555 21:03, 28 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Yeah, that's what I would have said. I'm sorry he spent hours coming up with a page full of racist personal attacks and assorted nonsense, but next time, he should probably just read a book or something. -FisherQueen (talk · contribs) 22:26, 28 October 2007 (UTC)

SPA tagging
Thanks for tagging those SPAs. I tagged one earlier today, but I forgot to tag the rest. Nishkid64 (talk) 22:22, 28 October 2007 (UTC)
 * No problem. That discussion is getting ugly; there's a reasonable argument for notability that can be made (though I don't think the org passes, in the end), but the supporters' paranoid accusations and drawerful of sockpuppets are distracting the neutral editors from it.  Too bad; oh well. -FisherQueen (talk · contribs) 22:25, 28 October 2007 (UTC)

David Pearce (Australian soldier) AfD


By the way, is there any chance you could point me toward a couple of other "death-in-action" AfDs? I just don't know where to start looking). Regardless of which way the current AfD goes, I wouldn't mind putting a little something into WP:BIO to reflect the decisions.  I had a scan through before writing the article (and the somewhat-more-notable Matthew Locke (Australian soldier) (he's very well decorated)), but the only thing I could find suggesting I shouldn't write it, was that people who are in the news for single events are not necessarily notable (that's really the point I'm arguing against in the AfD).  The "soldier" case seems like one that's bound to come up time and time again, so should probably be mentioned in there explicitly. ~

David Pearce (Australian soldier) AfD


By the way, is there any chance you could point me toward a couple of other "death-in-action" AfDs? I just don't know where to start looking). Regardless of which way the current AfD goes, I wouldn't mind putting a little something into WP:BIO to reflect the decisions.  I had a scan through before writing the article (and the somewhat-more-notable Matthew Locke (Australian soldier) (he's very well decorated)), but the only thing I could find suggesting I shouldn't write it, was that people who are in the news for single events are not necessarily notable (that's really the point I'm arguing against in the AfD).  The "soldier" case seems like one that's bound to come up time and time again, so should probably be mentioned in there explicitly. Mark Chovain 22:56, 28 October 2007 (UTC)
 * I have seen it more than once, and it's always difficult, because it's usually a friend or relative of some fallen soldier creating the articles, and you hate to make them feel any sadder than they already do. I don't think I can remember any of the names right now; you'd have to dredge through the old AfD archives, or maybe try to use google to find them.  There is a one-sentence mention at WP:MEMORIAL, which is a section of WP:NOT.  You might be right that a mention at WP:BIO would be useful.  By the way- I might have disagreed with you in that AfD, but that doesn't mean I don't like you. :) -FisherQueen (talk · contribs) 23:00, 28 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Wow, it looks like I opened a real can of worms with that AfD. -FisherQueen (talk · contribs) 11:36, 29 October 2007 (UTC)

Moved from my userpage
Hey why you deface my edition? What was so non neutral? Just because you dun agree does not mean it is not neutral. Check your dictionary on the meaning. I think that it is you who is judgemental. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Dead777 (talk • contribs)
 * I'm afraid that you are not allowed to add your personal analysis of the subject to Wikipedia articles. -FisherQueen (talk · contribs) 16:08, 29 October 2007 (UTC)
 * You're too quick! I got all the relevant pages open, go to get a pop, come back, and both the account and the sockpuppet are blocked! <font style="background:#990000;color:#FFFFFF;border:2px solid #999999">SQL <font color="#999999">Query me! 17:46, 29 October 2007 (UTC)
 * I'm fast, I'm mean... and I'm damned pretty, too. :) -FisherQueen (talk · contribs) 17:49, 29 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Your summary made me think of Abe Vigoda.--Isotope23 talk 17:51, 29 October 2007 (UTC)
 * I so would have lost "Dead or Alive" with him . . . -- <font color="White">But |<font color="White">seriously |<font color="White">folks  17:53, 29 October 2007 (UTC)

Online
Are you online? Is it considered okay to review an unblock request if you blocked the guy? This guy's first unblock was shot down and he's asked for another. Is that considered abusing the system? Respond here. — Rlevse  •  Talk  • 17:46, 29 October 2007 (UTC)
 * I suspect FQ is out, but yes, generally speaking it is bad form to review your own blocks, even as a second view. It creates way more problems than it solves.  I'd let another admin handle it.  Also, it depends on the specifics, but usually a second view isn't abusive... though they never really work.--Isotope23 talk 18:33, 29 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Blocked users are usually allowed at least two unblock requests. More may be appropriate if they are reasonable.  Less may be afforded if they are abusive. -- <font color="White">But |<font color="White">seriously |<font color="White">folks   19:12, 29 October 2007 (UTC)
 * That unblock request has been up all day; I think no one can make heads or tails of it to respond. -FisherQueen (talk · contribs) 19:15, 29 October 2007 (UTC)
 * "Me Fail English? That's Unpossible!"--Isotope23 talk 19:48, 29 October 2007 (UTC)
 * He called one person an ass, insulted two other's intelligence--all in the last couple of days, and has a long pattern of this behavior. — Rlevse  •  Talk  • 20:02, 29 October 2007 (UTC)
 * I've seen Gene around a bit, though never interacted with him. Apparently he isn't "Der Kabal" because I've seen others do a heck of a lot worse than that and get an almost immediate unblock (and the editor issuing the block took shit for blocking).  Please note, I'm not attacking the block, I'm just ruminating on the sliding scale we seem to have these days for some editors.--Isotope23 talk 20:09, 29 October 2007 (UTC)
 * He did seem to have a longer and more eventful block log than mine, though, and folks do take that into account. -FisherQueen (talk · contribs) 20:20, 29 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Gene also threatened ArielGold with "If you continue to insist that your conversions are correct, you and I are going to be tangling for a long time." — Rlevse  •  Talk  • 20:20, 29 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Z-man just shot it down again for 2nd time. — Rlevse  •  Talk  • 20:31, 29 October 2007 (UTC)

Check this out
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/List_of_anarchist_musicians, same exact group voting as happened in the pan handlers union AFD. And if you have check out the review no going on for pan handlers union. Ridernyc 23:04, 29 October 2007 (UTC)

Zhu, Senchen
I dont think such articles qualify for speedy. Asserting a professorship and published works is an assertion of significance. i dont know if its notable, in fact i think not, but it deserves a discussion. DGG (talk) 03:45, 30 October 2007 (UTC)
 * There has never been an article called Zhu, Senchen, nor do I see any article having ever existed at Senchen Zhu. Can you provide a link to the article you're talking about?-FisherQueen (talk · contribs) 12:58, 30 October 2007 (UTC)

GIMarketing
Granted request for unblock based on promise to change name and not post or edit article about own company. Didn't think you'd mind based on your comments there. I have the company on my watchlist (just in case). Cheers! -- <font color="White">But |<font color="White">seriously |<font color="White">folks  07:51, 30 October 2007 (UTC)
 * That's fine. I'm a little surprised, because he didn't really seem to have any interest in Wiki beyond selfpromotion, but whatever. -FisherQueen (talk · contribs) 12:59, 30 October 2007 (UTC)
 * We'll use the short leash. :-)  -- <font color="White">But |<font color="White">seriously |<font color="White">folks   16:15, 30 October 2007 (UTC)

WP:Fiction
Was wondering if you had look3ed at the WP:Fiction guideline lately. They recently changed and I think they have opened up somewhat of loophole that is against policy. Just wanted to see if someone else could take a look at it. Because the people working on the guideline think BHG and I are nuts. Ridernyc 10:30, 30 October 2007 (UTC)
 * By the way I totally understand if you want to stay away from this can of worms. Ridernyc 10:37, 30 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Diff? I'd be curious what the old wording was vs new wording.--Isotope23 talk 12:53, 30 October 2007 (UTC)
 * It's been watered down overtime since they created it. But the new change is "To a limited extent, sub-articles are sometimes born for technical reasons of length or style. Even these articles need real-world information to prove their notability, but might not include that information in the same article (due to said technical reasons).[3] In these situations, the sub-article should be viewed as an extension of the parent article, and judged as if it were still a section of that article. Such sub-articles should clearly identify themselves as fictional elements of the parent work within the lead section, and editors should still strive to provide real-world content."
 * The problem as I see it is they imply that notabilty is automaticlly carried over from the parent, and "Strive to provide real world content" which is pretty much against WP:Plot. The guideline is supposed to be about notability. But as it's written it basically says everything is notable.  On the talk page even fans of this guideline admit as written it's open for abuse. Basically I view the guideline as a loophole to write articles with no real world content. Ridernyc 13:13, 30 October 2007 (UTC)
 * this is the section that was removed and replaced with the quote above "Although the sub-article may be kept if is there is a clear availability of real-world information, please do not create sub-articles until this material is added." Ridernyc 13:20, 30 October 2007 (UTC)

Delete user
Thanks for blanking my user page but, could you go one further and delete me as a user? I feel that there is no need me being on anymore as i won't contribute to the site. The way i see it is that im just a waste of server space. Andrus Mortonus 14:05, 30 October 2007 (UTC)
 * As far as I know there is no mechanism to actually delete a user... and if there is it is a function performed beyond the admin level.--Isotope23 talk 14:24, 30 October 2007 (UTC)
 * If you just want to quit contributing, you don't need to have your user page deleted. It doesn't take up that much space, and even deleted pages still exist on the server.  Just... quite contributing, if you like.  -FisherQueen (talk · contribs) 14:42, 30 October 2007 (UTC)

Sorry
I apologize. It's just that Nampa Municipal Airport is really big out there. It does need some recognition. I just need some help with making the article. Didn't mean to bother you like that. Romoboy 11. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Romoboy11 (talk • contribs) 15:03, 30 October 2007 (UTC)
 * The article does need real real sources- newspaper and magazine articles about the airport, for example. The airport's own web page isn't sufficient to show notability. -FisherQueen (talk · contribs) 15:05, 30 October 2007 (UTC)

Panhandlers Union
You do realize that the review was sabotaged. The person named Proshanto Smith is a very real member of the union. However the real person did not actually post anything on Wikipedia. He doesn't even access to a computer right now. Isn't it interesting that someone would take the time to post as someone else to purposely suggest they voted several times to keep this article. It's an obvious violation of the rules and didn't help our chances. So, yes, there is a conspiracy about the article. I just don't have any clue who was pretending to be Proshanto Smith. The edits came from South Korea yet they obviously know this person very well. So don't jump to any conclusions.Apples99 15:45, 30 October 2007 (UTC)
 * You appear only to have joined Wikipedia in order to try to keep this article. Have you considered the possibility that you are wrong?  After you falsely accused User:Samir of being someone he clearly is not, I don't really believe any other accusations you make.  Perhaps you've heard the story of The Boy Who Cried Wolf?  I don't really care whether there is a conspiracy or not, because I don't think this organization is notable; I also think that it has gotten neutral editors like myself reviewing it twice now and coming to the same conclusions, so I'm satisfied the the deletion was fair and reasonable.  You don't seem to be on Wikipedia for any reason except to promote your own agenda, and your accusations and threats are both irritating and disruptive, so I'm hoping that you get bored and go away soon now that your pet article has been deleted.  -FisherQueen (talk · contribs) 15:51, 30 October 2007 (UTC)
 * What's the greatest nation in the world?--Isotope23 talk 15:53, 30 October 2007 (UTC)
 * USA! USA! USA! -FisherQueen (talk · contribs) 15:54, 30 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Nope... DONATION!--Isotope23 talk 15:56, 30 October 2007 (UTC)
 * amazing how this conspiracy keeps growing. I'm telling you we are through the looking glass people, this is going to blow the lid off everything man. Ridernyc 18:17, 30 October 2007 (UTC)

Heolgerrig Club
Hello there im new to all this so ive probably left this message incorrectly. You just deleted an article I spent some time over about the heolgerrig club in Merthyr Tydfil. I'm not sure why it was deleted. The club is quite notable in the village community and I wanted to use wikipedia to tell people about it ans, hopefully, let others add to the article regarding the clubs history. Any guidance on how i can make the article stay online would be much appreciated. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Gdh03 (talk • contribs) 16:07, 30 October 2007 (UTC)
 * You'll need to be able to show how the club meets the notability criteria, including reliable sources for your information. If this club is only important in one village, though, an encyclopedia probably wouldn't need an article about it.  What other encyclopedias have written about this club? -FisherQueen (talk · contribs) 16:17, 30 October 2007 (UTC)

You online? Need to babysit
Things are getting a bit hot over at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Agriculture There is an individual, User:WAS 4.250, who started quite a discussion over there, and is now threatening me and claiming that my addition of a link to Don't feed the trolls was a personal attack. Judging by the talk page of this individual, as well as their edits to this discussion page, there is a need for a babysitter for a bit. Now, having reported over at the noticeboard, but also to someone I know is good at handling these things (grin), I am going to take my own advice. Montanabw (talk) 17:52, 30 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Have I soapboxed today about how Wikiproject reform or dissolution would be a good thing? I'm not getting involved there because given my views I'd be anything but a calming influence... but I have yet to see a project here that doesn't have have ownership issues (excepting the wonderful WikiProject Endorsements which was so benevolent that the page and MFD were deleted).--Isotope23 talk 18:24, 30 October 2007 (UTC)


 * This is the fifth personal attack on me by Montanabw in under an hour. WAS 4.250 18:37, 30 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Hmmm, I fail to see how either of you personally attacked each other here. Even if he is wrong about you being a troll (and I personally think that it is the case that he is wrong), it still doesn't constitute a personal attack in my book... but maybe I'm just hardened by promises by editors to piss on my mother's casket at her funeral and being compared to Pontius Pilate.--Isotope23 talk 19:05, 30 October 2007 (UTC)


 * Situation resolved by Isotope and the gang (I hope), was just hoping you were online to help because your admin style is so much fun to watch and your edit summaries are a delight to the eye! Montanabw (talk) 20:28, 30 October 2007 (UTC)

Nice Pic
Ah good old Max Schreck...--Isotope23 talk 13:02, 31 October 2007 (UTC)
 * ...and I should thank you because that picture led me to read his article, which led me to a religious/vampire/lesbian/Canadian movie (with a luchadore) that I now must see.--Isotope23 talk 13:04, 31 October 2007 (UTC)
 * I'm not really happy with that picture; its low resolution doesn't work well in the size I'm using on my userpage. But I have to work, and don't have time to search for a better Halloween picture, so Schreck it is.  It is a cool picture; I just wasn't expecting it to pixellate quite as much as it did. -FisherQueen (talk · contribs) 13:07, 31 October 2007 (UTC)


 * Seen the movie, met the director, met the star, eaten at the restaurant with the extra-garlic shawarma. WLU 13:12, 31 October 2007 (UTC)
 * I have totally added that movie to my Netflix queue. -FisherQueen (talk · contribs) 13:17, 31 October 2007 (UTC)


 * Wish I could provide more feedback than that, the memory of the film has been washed from my mind. I do remember the shawarma though, a very tasty shawarma indeed.  My tastes run more towards teenage sweedish lesbians and boy meets girl, boy beats girl.  Incidentally, I love the poster on the latter page, so perhaps I lack the moral authority to criticize Creepy Crawler.  WLU 13:21, 31 October 2007 (UTC)
 * I have seen, and loved, both of those movies. -FisherQueen (talk · contribs) 13:24, 31 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Secretary was a fantastic movie. I've not seen Fucking Åmål, but I think I shall.  Shawarma is OK, but I've always been more partial to a nice lamb kafta sandwich with tahini and pickles or Shanklish, olive oil, mint, and cucumber on pita.--Isotope23 talk 13:48, 31 October 2007 (UTC)
 * My girlfriend has an insane aversion to garlic so I rarely get to indulge in Middle-Eastern cuisine. I've considered leaving her over this matter, but who would pay her half of the rent? It's a tough decision, garlic versus rent, one that I take very seriously.  FA was really just a very conventional teen romance movie, but with lesbians instead of heterosexuals.  Think The Breakfast Club, but with two characters, both with breasts.  Secretary was instrumental in helping me realize that James Spader wasn't a douche, though I wouldn't go out of my way to see any of his movies past or present.  WLU 14:02, 31 October 2007 (UTC)

Indeed. I used to live very close to the ByTowne Cinema in Ottawa, which contributed towards my excellent taste. Now I live much further away and sadly the last movie I watched was Blades of Glory. I was drunk at the time. Now I'm sober, and filled with shame. WLU 13:30, 31 October 2007 (UTC)
 * I stumbled onto FA one night and couldn't turn away. Something magnetic going on there. -- <font color="White">But |<font color="White">seriously |<font color="White">folks   16:57, 31 October 2007 (UTC)

King James syntax and Homosexuality
Can you please take a look at my comment here: ? I can't make sense of what Realiseyourdignity is saying. Thanks!LCP 17:21, 31 October 2007 (UTC)
 * I sympathize with your dilemma. It is possible that the last paragraph of this edit by the same user might shed some light on the difficulty. -FisherQueen (talk · contribs) 17:26, 31 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the tip! I'll just ignore the stuff from this user that doesn't make sense to me in Talk pages.LCP 17:39, 31 October 2007 (UTC)

A quick note

 * I do appologrise to you, the sod off was aimed at user:nick actually. Sorry. I do thank you for all your hard work what you did for me and I hope you continue helping people in the future. Btw, please don't put a 'targeted attack' template on my talkpage ThebestkianoTundefinedC 21:29, 31 October 2007 (UTC)

Young Independents Page Deletion
@FisherQueen -

I apologize. I am a new user, and I was really stupid. I promise I won't repeat it. Independents.rm 21:31, 31 October 2007 (UTC)