User:Gibson Flying V

User:Gibson Flying V (talk · contribs · logs) has been on Wikipedia since early 2007, materially editing and creating several articles, mostly on the topic of "the greatest game of all". Really caring about Wikipedia means resolving to have it come down on the right side of every content editing choice, important and unimportant alike. The right or wrong side is less readily discernible by the diverse group of people who click 'edit' than one might think. This is why Verifiability is so important, as well as Competence is required.

Oh, and no one wants to hear it, but I have the solution to the Australian flag debate and New Zealand flag debate right here.

Internationals
Sam Backo 🇦🇺 • Dud Beattie 🇦🇺 • Harry Bolewski 🇦🇺 • Mick Bolewski 🇦🇺 • Dave Bolton 🇬🇧 • Kerry Boustead 🇦🇺 • Les Boyd 🇦🇺 • Edwin Brown 🇦🇺 • Tony Brown 🇦🇺 • Johnny Brown 🇦🇺 • Mick Burke 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿 • Arthur Butler 🇦🇺 • Jock Butterfield 🇳🇿 • Jean Capdouze 🇫🇷 • Mark Carroll 🇦🇺 • Bill Carson 🇦🇺 • Jim Challinor 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿 • Roy Christian 🇳🇿 • Douglas Clark 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿 • Chris Close 🇦🇺 • Raymond Contrastin 🇫🇷 • John Cootes 🇦🇺 • Steve Crear 🇦🇺 • Harold 'Mick' Crocker 🇦🇺 • Andy Currier 🇬🇧 • Ken Day 🇦🇺 • Fred de Belin 🇦🇺 • Jim Devereux 🇦🇺 • Pat Devery 🇦🇺 • Jean Dop 🇫🇷 • Ian Doyle 🇦🇺 • Paul Dunn 🇦🇺 • Sam Edwards 🇳🇿 • Joe Egan 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿 • John Elias 🇱🇧 • Alf Ellaby 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿 • George Fairbairn 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿 • Bill Farnsworth 🇦🇺 • Frank Farrell 🇦🇺 • Denis Flannery 🇦🇺 • Arthur Folwell 🇦🇺 • David Furner 🇦🇺 • Jean Galia 🇫🇷 • Fred Gardner 🇦🇺 • Russel Gartner 🇦🇺 • Andrew Gee 🇦🇺 • Ken Gee 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿 • Nick Geiger 🇦🇺 • Geoff Gerard 🇦🇺 • Jimmy Gibbs 🇦🇺 • John Gibbs 🇦🇺 • Charlie Gill 🇦🇺 • John Gleeson 🇦🇺 • Neville Glover 🇦🇺 • Sid Goodwin 🇦🇺 • Mark Graham 🇳🇿 • John Grant 🇦🇺 • Paul Green 🇦🇺 • Fred Griffiths  • Duncan Hall 🇦🇺 • Bill Hamilton 🇦🇺 • Ernie Hammerton 🇦🇺 • Michael Hancock 🇦🇺 • Les Hanigan 🇦🇺 • Earl Harrison 🇦🇺 • Paul Hauff 🇦🇺 • Johnny Hawke 🇦🇺 • Noel Hazzard 🇦🇺 • Les Heidke 🇦🇺 • Gerry Helme 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿 • Ray Higgs 🇦🇺 • Martin Hodgson 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿 • Jack Holland 🇦🇺 • Henry Holloway 🇦🇺 • Dick Huddart 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿 • Craig Innes 🇳🇿 • Peter Jackson 🇦🇺 • Brian Jellick 🇳🇿 • Chris Johns 🇦🇺 • Cliff Johnson 🇳🇿 • Fred Jones 🇦🇺 • Harry Kadwell 🇦🇺 • John Kolc 🇦🇺 • Eric Lewis 🇦🇺 • Bob Lindner 🇦🇺 • Steve Llewellyn 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁷󠁬󠁳󠁿 • James Lomas 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿 • Phil Lowe 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿 • Bob Lulham 🇦🇺 • Ron Lynch 🇦🇺 • Cliff Lyons 🇦🇺 • John MacDonald 🇦🇺 • Ken Maddison 🇦🇺 • Bill Marsh 🇦🇺 • Ken McCaffery 🇦🇺 • Matt McCoy 🇦🇺 • Des McGovern 🇦🇺 • Dugald McGregor 🇦🇺 • Alan McIndoe 🇦🇺 • Pat McMahon 🇦🇺 • Les Mead 🇦🇺 • Jim Mills 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁷󠁬󠁳󠁿 • Peter Moir 🇦🇺 • Billy Moore 🇦🇺 • Brian Moore 🇦🇺 • Jim Morgan 🇦🇺 • Noel Mulligan 🇦🇺 • Frank Myler  • Tony Myler  • Noa Nadruku 🇫🇯 • Herb Narvo 🇦🇺 • Steve Nash 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿 • William Neill 🇦🇺 • George Nicholls 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿 • Bill Noble 🇦🇺 • Graeme Olling 🇦🇺 • Julian O'Neill 🇦🇺 • Bob O'Reilly 🇦🇺 • Bryan Orrock 🇦🇺 • Don Parish 🇦🇺 • Gary Parcell 🇦🇺 • Jonty Parkin 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿 • Dave Parkinson 🇦🇺 • Jim Paterson 🇦🇺 • Herman Peters 🇦🇺 • George Piggins 🇦🇺 • Geoff Pimblett 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿 • Greg Platz 🇦🇺 • Jim Porter 🇦🇺 • John Quayle 🇦🇺 • Paul Quinn 🇦🇺 • Jack Reardon 🇦🇺 • Ray Ritchie 🇦🇺 • Edward Root 🇦🇺 • Max Rousié 🇫🇷 • Tommy Ryan 🇦🇺 • Charles Savory 🇳🇿 • Don Schofield 🇦🇺 • Kevin Schubert 🇦🇺 • Bill Schultz 🇦🇺 • Charlie Seeling 🇳🇿 • Kurt Sorensen 🇳🇿 • Frank Stanmore 🇦🇺 • Geoff Starling 🇦🇺 • Ross Strudwick 🇦🇺 • Con Sullivan 🇳🇿/🇦🇺• Gary Sullivan 🇦🇺 • Mick Sullivan 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿 • Mark Thomas 🇦🇺 • Duncan Thompson 🇦🇺 • Brent Todd 🇳🇿 • Dick Vest 🇦🇺 • Maurice Voron 🇫🇷 • Bruce Walker 🇦🇺 • Kerrod Walters 🇦🇺 • Steve Walters 🇦🇺 • Alex Watson 🇦🇺 • Harry Wells 🇦🇺 • Graeme West 🇳🇿 • Des White 🇳🇿 • Noel White 🇦🇺 • Jack Why 🇦🇺 • Jack Wilkinson 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿 • Darrell Williams 🇳🇿 • Lionel Williamson 🇦🇺 • Graham Wilson 🇦🇺 • David Wright 🇦🇺

Interstate
Bruce Astill • Geoff Bell  • Eric Bennett  • Tom Bourke  • Charles Cahill  • Arthur Conlin  • Cyril Connell, Snr.  • Herb Gilbert, Jnr.  • Noel Goldthorpe  • Robin Gourley  • Brian Graham  • Ross Henrick  • Cavill Heugh  • Greg Holben  • Norm Jacobson  • Joe Kilroy  • Tom Kirk  • Martin Lang  • Terry Matterson  • Fonda Metassa  • Des Morris  • Ray Morris   • Clinton O'Brien  • Bill Pearson  • Matthew Ryan  • Peter Ryan  • Gary Smith  • Neville Smith / • Neil Tierney  • Darryl van der Velde

Club
Allan Agar • Graham Appo • Ken Arthurson • Bob Bax • Paul Broughton • Bill Buckley • John Carlaw • Geoff Carr • Craig Coleman • John Dixon • Doug Fleming • Laurie Freier • Albert Goldthorpe • Anthony Griffin • Terry Hughes • Johnny Hunter • Bill Keato • Dean Lance • Mark Laurie • Jack Lindwall • Steve Linnane • Peter Louis • Tom Mooney • Manfred Moore • Matt Nable • Luke Phillips • Michael Searle • Steve Sharp • Rick Stone • Barry Russell • Ben Walker • Shane Walker • Colin van der Voort

Australasia
1997 Super League (Australia) season • 1996 ARL season • 1995 ARL season • 1994 NSWRL season • 1993 NSWRL season • 1992 NSWRL season • 1988 NSWRL season • 1983 NSWRFL season • 1982 NSWRFL season • 1929 NSWRFL season • Thacker Shield • 2005 NRL grand final • 2007 NRL grand final • 2006 NRL Grand Final • 1998 NRL grand final • 2003 NRL grand final • 1908 Interstate rugby league series

Super League
Super League IX • Super League VIII • Super League VII • Super League V • Super League IV • Super League III • Super League II

Rugby Football League
1995-96 Rugby Football League season • 1994-95 Rugby Football League season • 1993-94 Rugby Football League season • 1992-93 Rugby Football League season •1984-85 Rugby Football League season • 1972-73 Northern Rugby Football League season • 1959-60 Northern Rugby Football League season • 1953-54 Northern Rugby Football League season • 1896-97 Northern Rugby Football Union season • 1895-96 Northern Rugby Football Union season

International
2008 World Club Challenge • 2007 World Club Challenge • 2005 World Club Challenge • 2000 World Club Challenge • 1994 World Club Challenge • 1992 World Club Challenge • 1991 World Club Challenge • 1989 World Club Challenge • 1987 World Club Challenge • 1911-12 Kangaroo tour of Great Britain • 1921–22 Kangaroo tour of Great Britain • 1910 Great Britain Lions tour of Australia and New Zealand • 1992 Great Britain Lions tour of Australia and New Zealand • 1914 Great Britain Lions tour of Australia and New Zealand • Super League Test series • 1996 Challenge Cup • 1929–30 Kangaroo tour of Great Britain • 1978 Kangaroo tour • 1988 Great Britain Lions tour • 1920 Great Britain Lions tour

Others
Harry Sunderland • George Lovejoy • Manningham FC • Labor Daily • List of Australian rugby league team players • Peter Mulholland • List of rugby league families • Earl Park, Arncliffe • Bill Fallowfield • 2005 in rugby league • Tom Brock Lecture • Mad Monday • Birchgrove Park • Andrew Moore (historian) • The Sydney Mail • 2011 St. George Illawarra Dragons season • Henry Hoyle • Hooker (rugby league) • Fullback (rugby league) • Brisbane rugby league team • Five-eighth • Newcastle rugby league team • Three-quarter back • 1925 South Sydney season • Love Letter (Nick Cave and the Bad Seeds song) • 2013 Canberra Raiders season

Old gripes

 * Articles about "the working class game" rugby league having to look like they were written by the working class.
 * Comparison of rugby league and rugby union (or lack thereof)
 * Unnatural prevalence of metres on English Wikipedia when giving human height in the metric system
 * still being allowed to edit as, , et al.
 * Ban on mentioning For Whom The Bell Tolls' publication year in the Ride the Lightning article.

Biographies
Harold Matthews (rugby league) • Jack Leveson/Jack Levison • Neville Charlton • Paddy Maher/Pat Maher (rugby league) •

The Greatest Game of All
Oh, there's nothing like the spectacle of a test match in full roar,

with the forwards charging, backs are stepping, running at full bore.

The Pommies and the Kiwis and the Frogs all play real keen,

but we take on all comers and Australia reigns supreme.

So whether you're on The Cricket Ground, Lang Park or the bush,

you're still gonna run, you're still gonna tackle and the scrums have got the same push.

You give it some then you get some more and you really give your all,

playing rugby league football it's the greatest game of all.
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Pre-Origin interstate footy

 * previous match: NSW 11 def. QLD 3
 * 16 Jul 1910 in Brisbane: NSW 21 def. QLD 8
 * 25 Aug 1912 in Brisbane: QLD 15 def NSW 8 (probably due to a NSW touring New Zealand at the same time?)
 * 24 Aug 1913 in ?: NSW 27 QLD 12
 * 28 Jul 1919 in Sydney: NSW 12 QLD 7
 * 29 Sep 1919 in Brisbane: NSW 24 QLD 10
 * 04 Jun 1937 in Sydney: NSW ? QLD ? []
 * Wed 22 June 1949 at SCG: NSW 33 QLD 3
 * 20 May 1950 in ?: NSW 45 QLD 12
 * 24 May 1950 in Sydney: 9 all
 * 25 Jun 1950 in ?
 * 15 Jun 1953 in Brisbane: QLD 22 NSW 13
 * 27 Jun 1954 in Brisbane: ?
 * 09 Jun 1957 in Sydney: NSW 45 QLD 12

Club football to be included

 * If anyone wants to discuss these guidelines or point out any necessary re-wording, by all means, please do so on my talk page or at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Rugby league.

As much as I think a case-by-case approach will just lead to more problems down the track, it seems that hard and fast rules about which club football is to be included in the Infobox rugby league biography (and which is not) for all players are unworkable. Maybe the best thing is if a guidline could be agreed to for different general types of players' cases. It should be understood that an article's infobox is not a substitute for its body text. The infobox is merely an added extra, to be used as a common point of reference amongst all individuals for quickly locating the most pertinent/commonly-sought information about them. When it comes to what football an individual played or coached is to be included, an exhaustive list, regardless of notability (e.g. a list including school-age representative teams alongside full international test teams) is a poor option for rugby league. I find the following tests useful when deciding on inclusion:


 * Considering the row of 'Totals' (for matches, points, etc.) at the bottom of the 'Club' sections. Will these totals give a skewed representation of a player's career in cases where lower level data is mixed with top-level data?
 * Considering whether, during the time spent at a club, it is/was likely, or even possible, for a player to be selected for representative football (which would be present in the "Representative information" section). If, while playing at a particular club, a footballer is selected to play representative rugby league, then clearly that club football is noteworthy. This is also important as time spent in a representative team must have corresponding time spent in a club team so as to avoid the impression that a player came from retirement or obscurity to play representative football. Note that this does not apply to coaching data.
 * Considering continuity. Will excluding football played at a club leave unexplained gaps in the data that are likely to raise questions in the minds of readers? If so, this will strengthen the case for inclusion.
 * Considering whether data for years, games, tries, goals, field goals, points, etc. is available for football played for a side. If it is available (and citeable), this will strengthen the case for inclusion.

Perhaps the following (which are based on the above), if agreed to, could form the basis of such a guidline. Based on the above, I propose the following guidlines (remember, 'exclude' does not mean exclude from the article, it just means from the infobox. Information about this football can be detailed in the body text or even other additional tables in the article):

Football played (or coached) at clubs in the:


 * NRL - include all
 * Toyota Cup - exclude all
 * Super League - include all
 * Pre-1996 Rugby Football League (regardless of division) - include all (unless someone has a better idea. I don't)
 * French domestic competitions - include all
 * New Zealand domestic competitions
 * Pre-1995 - include all
 * Post-1994 - exclude all
 * NSWRL/ARL/SL:
 * First-grade - include all
 * Non-first-grade - exclude all
 * Brisbane Rugby League & Newcastle Rugby League:
 * Pre-1988 first grade - include all
 * Pre-1988 non-first-grade - exclude all
 * Post-1987 - exclude all
 * Illawarra Rugby League
 * Pre-1982 first grade - include all
 * Pre-1982 non-first grade - exclude all
 * Post-1981 - exclude all
 * post-1995 Rugby Football League (e.g. National Leagues 1 & 2) - include some (see guidelines)
 * Queensland country competitions - include some (see guidelines)
 * New South Wales country competitions - include some (see guidelines)
 * Queensland Cup - exclude all
 * New South Wales Cup - exclude all

Useful links

 * Template:Infobox rugby league biography
 * Vandalism
 * Citation_templates

Matches

 * http://www.marathonstadium.com/season.php

Players

 * http://203.166.101.37/NRL08/playerindex.asp
 * http://www.yesterdayshero.com.au/Index.aspx
 * http://www.englandrl.co.uk/
 * http://www.nzrl.co.nz/page/past_caps.html
 * http://www.thecastlefordtigers.co.uk/alltime.php
 * http://www.qrl.com.au/default.aspx?s=history-players
 * http://www.showroom.com.au/dragons/dragonshistory/history_players.htm
 * http://dolphinclubhouse.com.au/index.php?option=com_content&task=section&id=4&Itemid=48
 * http://www.westsmagpies.net/archives/2008/php/players.php
 * http://rugby.widnes.tv/playerlist.php
 * http://www.rugbyleaguehonours.co.uk/
 * http://www.alphamagazine.com.au/features

Both

 * http://www.rugbyleagueproject.org/
 * http://www.nrlstats.com/index.cfm
 * http://www.slstats.org/
 * http://www2.hunterlink.net.au/~maajjs/aus/
 * http://thebulldogs.com.au/sportal.php?page=year_results&year=1935

Other

 * http://www.playrugbyleague.com.au/docs/ARL_International_Laws_of_the_Game_2008.pdf
 * http://books.google.com/books?id=GU3ezfInjVwC&printsec=frontcover Understanding rugby league
 * http://books.google.co.uk/books?id=nklWo8vw-iIC&printsec=frontcover
 * http://www.nzrl.co.nz/files/general/annual_report_2007_small.pdf
 * http://books.google.co.uk/books?id=Dfyovsrc2OsC&printsec=frontcover
 * http://books.google.com/books?id=NtWto0T5FMEC&printsec=frontcover Australia's sporting success
 * http://books.google.co.uk/books?id=S3VbeAbhxGEC&printsec=frontcover#PPA29,M1
 * http://books.google.co.uk/books?id=aMw_Zpew2OgC&printsec=frontcover
 * http://books.google.co.uk/books?id=3nDbsx3Hk7QC&printsec=frontcover Origin
 * http://books.google.co.uk/books?id=MC0_bNv8XNYC&printsec=frontcover#PPA5,M1 Beaver
 * http://browseinside.harpercollins.com.au/index.aspx?isbn13=9780732284022 El Magic
 * http://newsstore.fairfax.com.au/apps/newsSearch.ac?sy=smh&sp=adv
 * http://www.abc.net.au/rn/backgroundbriefing/stories/2008/2217107.htm
 * http://books.google.com.au/books?id=66OBschGE_YC&printsec=frontcover&source=gbs_ge_summary_r&cad=0#v=onepage&q&f=false