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Abraha's expedition
1) "Myth" has multiple meanings. Which meaning is intended here? One is "supernatural" and the other is "false". Such ambiguous words should be replaced with unambiguous words.

2) Can unsuccessful expedition transpire substantially? The incident is about an expedition which failed to achieve its mission. Can such a failed attempt transpire anything "substantially" in the part where it failed? The sentence seems to be illogical.

3) This Wikipedia article says: So it seems confusing to say "unclear" here specifically.

4) I read this. This is the first citation given to show that Abraha's expedition has not taken place. But this source does not say Abraha's expedition did not take place. But it discusses the year it happened.

5) There is no need of saying in the article it is a myth because it is already known it is a miraculous thing that birds killing elephants.

6) This appears to be unwanted, disruptive edit.

7) This says about likelihood. So should the sentence contain "likelily" even if it is kept in the present form.

8) What about removing the term "unclear" before the term "passage"?

9) Atleast rewriting seems to be necessary.

10) Kindly write about the remaining sources.

So remove: remove:

Website of Reporter TV on Samastha of AP Sunnis
The website of Reporter TV also says there is Samastha Kerala Jem-iyyathul Ulama of AP Sunnis.

Media One and Madhyamam

 * Keep

Two more sources: that too from one group of enemies of AP Sunnis. They are MediaOne and Madhyamam. MediaOne

MediaOne, a news channel founded by the Jamaat-e-Islami Hind's Kerala unit (see: website: indianexpress.com Wikipedia page: Indian express) and thus an ideological enemy of Sunnis, especially AP Sunnis as shown in the Jamaate Islamai's Madhyamam daily for Madhyamam had made the false and the dubious reports against Kanthapuram, a prominent leader of AP Sunnis. I have no links to those Malayalam newspaper reports now. Madhyamam is also under the Kerala unit of Jamaate Islami as shown here. [ see also the enmity : ( website: mathrubhumi.com Wikipedia page: Mathrubhumi) &( website: newindianexpress.com Wikipedia page: The New Indian Express )] Mediaone calls the organisation of AP Sunnis "Samastha AP group". and calls it by the full name: "Samastha Kerala Jem-iyyathul Ulama". You may wonder how could a such an enemy could call it so? This is by adding neutral term "Kanthapuram vibagham" (which means Kanthapuram group or Kanthapuram faction) after the full name. So we do not need to delete the article because of any valid reason.

See also: Mediaone. The URL of mediaonetv.in shown in the Wikipedia Mediaone page leads to mediaoneonline.com, the domain name of the the said article that lists name of all the 40 members of the council.

 Madhyamam 

The website of Madhyamam says Kanthapuram is general secretary of Samastha Kerala Jem-iyyathul Ulama.

See also: relationship of Madhyamam with Jamaat-e-Islami.

In short atleast we have to consider the stand of this group of enemies of AP Sunnis that Samastha Kerala Jem-iyyathul Ulama of AP Sunnis exists and that its name is Samastha Kerala Jem-iyyathul Ulama. Neutralhappy (talk) 9:49, 21 July 2024 (UTC)

Mushavara
The mushawara consists of 40 members.

Flag
According to AP Sunnis, Samastha for the first time adopted the Samastha's flag on 29 December 1963, at a meeting of Samastha held at the Thalankara Malik Dinar Valiya Jumuath Mosque in Kasaragod. The flag was adopted with minor modification including the removal of the script from the flag that was then in use by the All India Sunni Jem-iyyathul Ulama.

Change of name
Kanthapuram, a leader of AP Sunnis says Sunnis formed an organisation to counter the religious reformists with the name Kerala Jem-iyyathul Ulama. But the reformist people had registered the same name. So Sunnis had to add the term "Samastha" to the name of the organisation at the conference held at Kozhikode Town Hall on 26 June 1926.

Presently Mujahids have an organisation named Kerala Jem-iyyathul Ulama founded in 1924.

Reorganisation
Kanthapuram further says Samastha was reorganised and went ahead with the interests at the time of its formation when there were attempts to join with the reformists and deviate in Samastha around 1989.

Success
Kanthapuram explains people unitedly supported Samastha after its formation. He also says after the reorganisation in 1989, the Samastha went ahead with strong force with all policies and ideologies of Samastha all over India and outside.

Subsidiaries
Samastha of AP Sunnis have several subsidiaries.
 * Kerala Muslim Jama'ath
 * Sunni Management Association (SMA)
 * Educational board
 * Samastha Kerala Sunni Vidhyabhyasa Board
 * Islamic Educational Board of India (IEBI)
 * Madrasa teachers' association — Samastha Kerala Sunni Jam-iyyathul Muallimeen (SKSJM) or shortly, Sunni Jam-iyyathul Muallimeen (SJM)
 * Youth wing — Samastha Kerala Sunni Yuvajana Sangham (SYS)
 * Student wing — Sunni Students Federation (SSF)
 * Mouthpiece (daily) — Siraj
 * Jamiathul Hind

Organisations

 * Samastha Kerala Jem-iyyathul Ulama
 * All India Sunni Jamiyyathul Ulama
 * Sunni Bala Sangham (SBS)

Periodicals

 * Siraj
 * Risala
 * Sunni Voice
 * Kusumam
 * Sunnath

Notable institutions

 * Markazu Saqafathi Sunniyya
 * Markaz Knowledge City
 * Ma'din Academy

Ideological difference
Samastha began in 1926 with an aim to fight "deviant sects" including the Wahhabis and Salafis called Mujahids in Kerala. Only traditionalist Sunnis are called Sunnis in Kerala in contrast to the reformist ones. The four different factions of Sunnis in Kerala have "almost the same ideology and beliefs". Haris Madani, a young scholar belonging to AP Sunnis, in 2022, said the difference between AP and EK Sunnis is purely organisational whereas Husain Madavoor, a Mujahid leader, considers fiqh to be irrelevant.

Formation of Samastha
Samastha was founded with an aim to fight "deviant sects", including Wahhabis and Salafis, in 1926 by people including Varakkal Mullakoya Thangal, Pangil Ahmed Kutty Musliyar and Muhammad Abdul Bari Musliyar at a meeting in Kozhikode Town Hall. Later in 1934 Samastha got registered. Sunni scholars formed the organisation in response to—the reformist movement began in the 1920s that formed Kerala Muslim Aikya Sangam (1922–1934) driven by Vakkom Moulavi, Kerala Jem-iyyathul Ulama (established 1924) and KNM (founded 1950). Mujahids derived from the Kerala Muslim Aikya Sangam. Since the 1920s though several organisations have involved in debates, Sunnis and Mujahids had most frequent debates between them.

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Samastha began in 1926 to counter the Vakkam Moulavi's Aikya Sangam—the precursor of KNM and the wider Mujahid movement. Only traditionalist Sunnis are called Sunnis in Kerala in contrast to the reformist ones. Though several organisations have involved in debates the most frequent one was between Sunnis and Mujahids. The four different factions of Sunnis in Kerala have "almost the same ideology and beliefs". Haris Madani, a young scholar belonging to AP Sunnis, in 2022, said the difference between AP and EK Sunnis is purely organisational whereas Husain Madavoor, a Mujahid leader, considers fiqh to be irrelevant.

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In the present day Kerala context in the 1920s a reformist movement emerged against traditionalist Sunni Islam and formed organisations—Muslim Aikya Sangam (1922–1934) of Vakkom Moulavi followed by Kerala Jem-iyyathul Ulama in 1924 and KNM in 1950. To counter this Vakkom Moulavi's Muslim Aikya Sangam (shortly, Aikya Sangam ) traditional Sunnis' Samastha Kerala Jem-iyyathul Ulama was founded in 1926 by Varakkal Mullakoya Thangal, Pangil Ahmed Kutty Musliyar and Muhammad Abdul Bari Musliyar, and later the organisation was registered in 1934. The formation of Samastha at a meeting in Kozhikode Town Hall was with an aim to fight "diviant sects" including Salafis and Wahhabis who are called Mujahids in Kerala. The Musiim Aikya Sangam was the precursor of KNM and the wider Mujahid Salafi movement.

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If the following are reliable sources, then the following are reliable sources for Samastha Kerala Je-iyyathul Ulama (of AP Sunnis).v.

Denominations
There are different denominations of Muslims in Kerala. Traditionally Muslims of Kerala are Sunnis, predominantly Shafi'is where around two-thirds of the Muslim population is AP and EK Sunnis, respective Samasthas of which emerged in 1989 due to disagreement in Samastha, an organization began in 1926 to counter the Vakkam Moulavi's Aikya Sangam (1922—1934)—the precursor of KNM (founded in 1950) and the wider Mujahid movement. Only traditionalist Sunnis are called Sunnis in Kerala in contrast to the reformist ones. The reformist Mujahids, belonging to the Salafi movement, make up around 10 percent of the total Muslim population of Kerala. The Shia population in Kerala is less than five thousand in number. Though there is presence of groups like Tabligi Jamaat and Jamaate Islami, by far biggest groupings are Sunnis and Mujahids. Haris Madani, a young scholar belonging to AP Sunnis, in 2022, said the difference between AP and EK Sunnis is purely organisational whereas Husain Madavoor, a Mujahid leader, considers fiqh to be irrelevant.

Factions
Samastha Kerala Jem-iyyathul Ulama (of AP Sunnis), Samastha Kerala Jem-iyyathul Ulama (of EK Sunnis), Dakshina Kerala Je-iyyathul Ulama and Kerala Samsthana Jem-iyyathul Ulama are different factions of Sunnis in Kerala, while Dakshina Kerala Jem-iyyathul Ulama is the dominant group in the southern part of the state.

Salafi Mijahid's KNM was split into three after 2000, two of them, one led by T. P. Abdulla Koya Madani and the other by Hussain Madavoor, merged in 2016 both of which had a mutual split in 2002. The one that did not participate in the merging is Wisdom Global Islamic Mission. Before this merging the Mujahid movement had split into atleast five groups.

Ideological difference
The four different factions of Sunnis in Kerala have "almost the same ideology and beliefs". There are two Samasthas of Sunnis, one named after E. K. Aboobacker Musliyar and the other after Kanthapuram A. P. Aboobacker Musliyar, both of which emerged in 1989, due to organisational disagreement in Samastha. Haris Madani, a young scholar belonging to AP Sunnis, in 2022, said the difference between AP and EK Sunnis is purely organisational whereas Husain Madavoor, a Mujahid Salafi leader, considers fiqh to be irrelevant.