User:TenPoundHammer/Archive 8

Not an important artist?
I think that you should perhaps have a graduate degree or at least finish high school before you nominate a deletion (Lialina) as not appearing to be an important artist. Stick with popular music and dating. Amanniste (talk) 14:45, 11 March 2008 (UTC)

thanks!
thanks, I was in the process of straightening things up myself, but your lightning support was even more effective :) Pundit | utter  00:17, 23 February 2008 (UTC)

Natalee Holloway
I notice that you placed a tag on Natalee Holloway. Since the article falls below length guidelines, it might be helpful if you wandered by the discussion page and explained what you think should be done.Kww (talk) 11:10, 23 February 2008 (UTC)

Life in a Northern Town
Everything I can find about Sugarland's version of "Life in a Northern Town" indicates that it's a video only release. Eric444 (talk) 13:55, 24 February 2008 (UTC)

Rhett Akins website
I see you have removed the link to www.rhettakins.net. It seems you have removed this link before. Why do you keep removing this link? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.53.111.108 (talk) 14:25, 24 February 2008 (UTC)

Carrie Underwood Discography
Can you come here to share your opinions about all formats on Carrie Underwood discography? I will be very thankful.Langdon (talk) 00:54, 27 February 2008 (UTC)i7114080

Song Redirects
What do you suppose would happen if you redirected the song "Yesterday" by the Beatles to the article "Beatles", or if you redirected the song "He Stopped Loving Her Today" to the article George Jones? I believe there would be quite loss of information and quite a problem created. The same standards should apply to all songs. Songs are standalone researchable articles. To redirect a song, loses the vitals on the song. The recording however is a different animal. It is ok to include as much information as possible about a recording of a song by an artist in an artist's article, but don't you think the song as a separate article should remain? Why should a hit song be permanently tied within Wiki to one artist, when the artist's article can clearly link to the song, broadening the benefits of research. Also, the focus on what is a "notable" song and what is not "notable" should not be for one person to decide if the song was a chart hit. Good discussion and I appreciate the cooperation. Wikibones (talk) 14:27, 27 February 2008 (UTC)

Possible solution...you title an article titled "If I Was A Drinkin' Man (Neal McCoy recording)" and direct THAT to Neal McCoy. I will write an article called "If I Was A Drinkin' Man (song), and keep the vitals on the song that are not necessarily related to Neal McCoy's recording. Regarding what is notable and what is not, I think most at Wiki would like to keep subjective thinking out of it. Certain standards have to apply. If a song was a hit, regardless of who recorded it, seems it should remain a standalone song article and therefore expanding the researchable data to multiple purposes (other than just learning about one artist's career). Wikibones (talk) 14:48, 27 February 2008 (UTC)

You seem unable to see that a song is a song, and a record is a record, and that both the song articles and the artist articles have one-to-many relationships to other data. Also, I cannot believe you are referencing All Music Guide, one of the most incomplete, un-updated, difficult to correct, ill-cross referenced, mistake-filled sources you can use. I know the publication well. You cannot count on that publication as much of a source. Have you ever tried to correct anything at All Music Guide?? Almost impossible. This whole song redirect thing is an absurd argument. For you to redirect songs to an artist's album page is inconsistent with every song article in Wikipedia, but you continue to want to enhance your own artist articles at the expense of other's song articles. Some of us are focused on songs, some of us are focused on artists. Let the two articles remain valuable independent sources and benefit from the existance of each...link them. Don't erase one or the other with a complete redirect. Redirecting a song articles to one artist's album is no different than someone doing an article on Atlantic Records and redirecting every artist article (anyone who ever recorded for Atlantic) to the Atlantic Records article. Like I said earlier, and I will give you another scenario, why don't you go try to redirect every song ever recorded by Frank Sinatra to the Frank Sinatra article and see what happens. Or...try someone less famous. Try taking every song recorded by Kenny Rogers and directing them to Kenny Rogers and see what happens. Where do you draw the line? Apparently your Neal McCoy article is so important to you that you want every song Neal ever recorded directed to Neal McCoy. The songs in some cases are bigger than Neal McCoy. In the same way you are using your own personal measure of what songs are "notable" and which ones are not, someone may come along (hypothetically speaking) and decide that Neal McCoy isn't "notable" enough to have an article, or that Neal McCoy needs to be redirected to a larger article on Country Music Singers. Your actions on these song redirects is destructive to the vital information on songs, and when you mix that with your subjective decisions on what song is worthy of an article and what songs are not, it gets very strange, and deserving of protest. Wikibones (talk) 23:03, 27 February 2008 (UTC)

Steve's Ice Cream
Thanks for the WP:GOOGLEHITS site. I'll read up on there more.  P G  Pirate  14:32, 27 February 2008 (UTC)

RE: Doug Stone
Thanks! --Martin4647 (talk) 21:10, 27 February 2008 (UTC)

I Am Clueless
Thanks for fixing up that merging problem. :P I don't know why I can't figure out how to do that. I've done it before... - Warthog Demon  22:42, 27 February 2008 (UTC)

AFD closing
I noticed your recent close of WP:Articles for deletion/Steve's Ice Cream as I closed the very odd MFD of the talk page. I didn't plan on tagging the talk page with oldmfd as the nomination seemed to be due to a misunderstanding of talk page deletions and speedy closed. But I didn't see an oldafdfull tag from you which surprised me. Wondered if you forgot so I thought I'd mention it.--Doug.(talk • contribs) 01:50, 28 February 2008 (UTC)

Obama-Feingold act
Per your comment that a speedy criteria does not cover pages like this, the G3 vandalism speedy also covers blatant hoaxes. I arrived late to this discussion, as it was already closed, but I think that a G3 may have been appropriate if the article was as described. DarkAudit (talk) 16:33, 28 February 2008 (UTC)

Don King (singer)
Ooooooooooh, wasn't this on your list??? ;-) - CobaltBlueTony™ talk 19:48, 28 February 2008 (UTC)


 * It REALLY needs help with resources for discography and charting. I'm having a horrible time of it... - CobaltBlueTony™ talk 20:13, 28 February 2008 (UTC)


 * Hm, that makes this template, Uw-italicize, a bit misleading... Thanks for the clarification. - CobaltBlueTony™ talk 05:24, 1 March 2008 (UTC)

Roy Leep
Looking at the article, I figured that was probably the reason; unless he's in some sort of Weatherman's Hall of Fame, I think he's probably not notable enough. I was just giving you a hard time. Apparently, there was some reason people were voting "keep" in the last discussion; looks like this is one of those "Good Morning Tampa" things, I don't know. Mandsford (talk) 21:40, 28 February 2008 (UTC)
 * My first barnstar!! Thanks. Why do they call it a barnstar?  No, please, don't tell me... I'd rather leave that to my imagination.  Mandsford (talk) 21:50, 28 February 2008 (UTC)

Sorry
Looks like I thanked the wrong person for a barnstar. Please disregard the expression of gratitude referenced above. Mandsford (talk) 21:55, 28 February 2008 (UTC)

About the otters...
Okay, I admit I am very curious. I kept running across your name whenever doing new page patrol, or working on music-related articles - and I would love to know the backstory behind the otters. I am sure it is fascinating. If it is a really excellent story, I will try to bring one of your articles up to GA as a reward. (No guarantees of success, but it's a worthy challenge.) And where do the clamshells fit in? Risker (talk) 03:29, 29 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Okay, that was a pretty good story. Wouldn't surprise me in the least to find a few otters hiding under your sofa.  But I'm not doing anything involving malls...do you have a favourite musician whose article you think might be getting close to the magic GA level?  Preferably someone I might be able to find stuff on in mainstream music journalism?  Risker (talk) 03:53, 29 February 2008 (UTC)

Oh, I'm very curious too. And otters are my fav animal. Remember me, the person who created the Keyla article? I was gonna do something like your otters, but I decided not too because it would copy too much.-- B a r k j o n 16:31, 29 February 2008 (UTC)

THIS is the 100,000-word Pyramid Article!
Thanks for the invite. I'll see what I can do. JTRH (talk) 12:59, 1 March 2008 (UTC)

Eddy Raven
I filled in the missing peaks for Eddy Raven's singles. He didn't chart until 1974, so I can't sort out his singles from 1969-1973 either. Eric444 (talk) 15:17, 1 March 2008 (UTC)

Pyramid game and tournament play
I created a user sub-page at User:TenPoundHammer/Pyramid game and tournament play. Good luck on the article. Malinaccier (talk) 21:22, 1 March 2008 (UTC)

Afd reason
just delete them, I wrote tham all during the summer and someone went through and changed them to redirects. They were junk to begin with. The redirects give the impression that there is an article on the individual when there really is nothing. The redirects are all circular, they return to the same page as the link. I know you keep the Afd pages in line but this time please let it slide. Reason is Reason, if that makes any sense.Granite07 (talk) 21:57, 1 March 2008 (UTC)

moved from your userpage by Malinaccier (talk) 21:59, 1 March 2008 (UTC)


 * added reasons you asked for. Sorry I ever made these stubs in the first place, not sure what I was thinking. Thank you for cleaning up deletion tags.Granite07 (talk) 22:03, 1 March 2008 (UTC)

AFD
I removed them because at the time of my edit, they were just transcluded saying "reason". Master of Puppets  Call me MoP! ☺  22:12, 1 March 2008 (UTC)

Sequential Art AfD---New sources
Just going around to all the people who voted to delete for lack of sources/notability, new reviews have been added since the beginning of the AfD which you may not have seen since casting your opinion into the pit. Superslash (talk) 01:39, 2 March 2008 (UTC)

Something to note...
The Thunderbolt nn page was nominated for AfD by Admin Scarian. And a brand new account named "nonscarian"... who has no edits whatsoever voted to keep... and then you voted to keep based on the clearcut sockpuppet vote??? The article was prod'd twice recently and two different brand new accounts rm'd the prod and then vandalised the talk pages of the users who prod'd it. A report to WP:SSP/WP:RCU is about to be compiled. If you feel the article should be kept that's perfectly fine. But your reference to the previous vote may likely look confusing since that vote will probably be struck or deleted following the SSP result. Just hought you'd like to know. 142.167.92.127 (talk) 02:27, 2 March 2008 (UTC)

thank you
thanks for the advice! Im new to wikipedia and it certainly helped! —Preceding unsigned comment added by Askeens (talk • contribs) 02:50, 3 March 2008 (UTC)

Random Token of Recognition


Here's a rubber mallet for you! Rubber mallets somehow promote Wikiquette and WikiLove and hopefully this one has made your day better. Spread the good will by giving a friendly Random Token of Recognition to someone else, whether it be someone you have had disagreements with in the past or a good friend. Happy editing!--TBC !?!  17:21, 3 March 2008 (UTC) Get it, a Rubber Mallet for a Ten Pound Hammer? Anyhow, keep up the good work on Wikipedia, you've contributed a lot of great edits! (awarded by the "There is No Cabal" cabal) --TBC !?!  17:21, 3 March 2008 (UTC)

All-American Girl (song) by Carrie Underwood
Hi Ten Pound Hammer!

I would like to know why someone changed the infobox I did on All-American Girl (song) by Carrie Underwood because it has now become her 5th number one hit. I put down the website (www.radioandrecords.com), 3/07/2008 weekly chart highlights, and the infobox that indicates that All-American Girl has reached number 1. I didn't know that there were exclusive rights to her discography, I thought it was meant for all to use to edit and add.

Please look into this at once.

Thank you, BravesFan2006 —Preceding unsigned comment added by BravesFan2006 (talk • contribs) 18:35, 3 March 2008 (UTC)

re:Carrie Underwood at #1
Howdy. I did this because the actual full chart on both R&R and on Billboard websites still show the 03/08 issue date list. I understand that R&R has its charts online like a day or two before Billboard does, but this blurb does not display the full thing and the current chart, which is splashed all over the website, does not reflect this. It's only Monday, don't you think it is jumping the gun a bit? - eo (talk) 18:49, 3 March 2008 (UTC)

All American Girl chart position
I am aware that All American Girl may be #1 on country radio, however the song's current peak on the Billboard Hot Country Songs is only #5, and the Hot Country Songs is the chart you have All American Girl listed at #1 on, which is not the case. Please note that official Billboard charts for the week are published every Thursday, and just because something is #1 on radio doesn't always guarantee it will be #1 on the weekly chart, hence why it is necessary to wait until the charts are published on Thursdays before making any assumptions. Wikipedia notes only Billboard charts for U.S. chart positions, and airplay charts are not used on this site, see WP:CHARTS. The current Billboard Hot Country Songs peak of All American Girl is #5, as you can see here:, so please do not change this. User:WIKI-GUY-16 19:09, 3 March 2008 (UTC)
 * I'm aware that Hot Country Songs is an airplay only chart, but that doesn't change the fact that the chart is published only by Billboard, and R&R radio charts are NOT the same as Billboard charts. For example a few months back Garth Brooks "More Than A Memory" debuted at #1 on the Billboard Hot Country Songs, despite the fact that it had yet to reach #1 on Mediabase's and R&R's country airplay charts. Thats just one of several examples of how the charts are not the same. I'm not trying to be annoying or mean, but the charts are not the same, and if you continue to use the R&R chart positions in place of the official Billboard ones (which I have sourced, and again are published every Thursday), then I will have to report it as WP:Vandalism. User:WIKI-GUY-16 19:26, 3 March 2008 (UTC)
 * I was unaware that R&R merged with Billboard, I usually keep up with the charts, but I hadn't known that. You are a veteran editor, so I guess you would know the rules of Wikipedia better than me, but I just always thought you were supposed to wait until the official charts were published by Billboard on Thursdays before listing Billboard chart positions. If you say that R&R is the same, then I'll trust you on it. Sorry for the hard time, I was just trying to go by what I though were the rules. User:WIKI-GUY-16 19:40, 3 March 2008 (UTC)

Furry_fandom
My mistake, tech-related error as noted on the AfD page. Please delete the AfD if possible. --Vashir (talk) 23:30, 4 March 2008 (UTC)

Thanks.
Thanks for the help. I was finding very dificult to proceed with the protocol. I fear I don't know the diference between "prod" and "afd". I swear I tried to do my best but the guide for deletion is very confusing and this is the first time (I think) I do this. --Sugaar (talk) 23:41, 4 March 2008 (UTC)

RfA
I know that you voted oppose on my last RfA, and for good reason. I was wondering, since my new one will be in the extremely soon future, if your opinion has changed at all. I normally look for admins to give me some opinions, but I also want some regular editor's opinions too. If you want, please tell me what you like about my contributions, and what you dislike. I have posted the link to my count on my page. Thanks in advance. Undeath (talk) 03:42, 5 March 2008 (UTC)

RE: Biting
I was accused of biting because I had nominated a page for deletion. The page was re-created, or the speedy tag was removed by the author, I forgot which, and I replied on the talk page of the page in question(which is now deleted),Delete this page. That was the "biting", which, I do not think of as biting at all. I think that biting is searching out a new user and harrassing him/her about a new page/contribution. I did no such thing.

Now, in regards to the rollback. I have appologized many times for that accident. (proof is on Metro's talk page under the 6th archive. Undeath (talk) 04:23, 5 March 2008 (UTC)

One last question
I know what you stated about the biting, and I'm actually trying to have that investigated to see what exactly I typed and if it was really biting. But, away from that, edit wise, do you think I'm doing good. (like ifd/afd, image tagging etc...) Undeath (talk) 02:27, 6 March 2008 (UTC)

band Milqud
Need a more educated opinion than mine. Milqud was previously deleted under speedy. Article is recreated with links and claims to two albums, but look self produced (google didn't show anything major for first album, other is 2008). Links are myspace and their own site "under construction" and relinks to myspace. You seem to have better luck with these than I do. P HARMBOY ( TALK ) 20:15, 9 March 2008 (UTC)

A hand in the bush

 * The article has been redone so I'm inviting people who voted in this AfD to review it. If they change their votes then I probably will withdraw the nom, but I'd rather have the voters look at it again. JuJube (talk) 23:23, 9 March 2008 (UTC)

Re: Collin Raye
Hey there... I took a look at the page, and yeah, it's probably as you say - your pal Keri's back. The amount of vandalism's pretty slow, though, so I'd suggest just revert/ignore as best as you can. It looks like there's a good number of people keeping an eye on the page - I've got it watchlisted too, so I'll watch for continued problems (I might have caught this last flurry, but I'm on the road). If the IP seems static, it might be blocked for a little while, but you know how IPs are... Tony Fox (arf!) 04:33, 13 March 2008 (UTC)

List of Hot 100 (U.S.) chart achievements and trivia
Yo. I saw you placed a trivia tag here. If you are interested in helping out, Manyanswer and I are attempting to revamp this mess, cut it down and make it a little less "trivial", if that makes any sense. I personally think an article-name change is in order. Feel free to edit here if you're into it: User:Ericorbit/subpage2. - eo (talk) 13:47, 13 March 2008 (UTC)

13 March 2008
According to this there is no word on which label Craig Morgan will be signing with. It may be a little premature to speculate that it is Columbia based on the logo that was on the site. Atlantabravz (talk) 14:31, 13 March 2008 (UTC)

Amerikafka
Thanks for fixing the discussion page on the above AfD. I still haven't figured out what I do wrong when starting one up - I follow the Preloaded Debate instructions very carefully. (?). Cheers. Ref (chew) (do) 16:39, 13 March 2008 (UTC)


 * Oops! I think I figured that out last time (months since I AfDed last!). Memory's going a bit - being 50-plus years old is a bitch. Thanks again. Ref (chew) (do) 16:46, 13 March 2008 (UTC)

Closing AFD's
I can appreciate that. Although things have changed since I first began closing them. More editors now close afd's and if you needed to know whether or not the editor was an admin or not, the answer is just a click away. :) While you're advice is noted, I'll opt to do things the way I have normally done them, and if there is a future problem then this is an example of the lack of motivation to research, an example you are not privy to. SynergeticMaggot (talk) 00:45, 14 March 2008 (UTC)

Articles...
I think I can learn how to do this. I want to go by the book, but don't want to be hounded by all the things I did wrong. Since I am a perfectionist, you can imagine my frustration with how things are done, written.. etc on Wiki. I don't have a problem with it, I am used to simple editing etc! Anyway, thanks for the offer. If I DO need help I'll give you a hollar.

Elu  Carpe Diem! (talk) 02:26, 15 March 2008 (UTC)! 02:19, 15 March 2008 (UTC)

Merk (conference)
Thanks for this. It had been PRODed and declined so I wasn't sure it was eligible for speedy, but I wholly agree. TRAVELLINGCARI My storyTell me yours 17:02, 15 March 2008 (UTC)


 * Good to know, thanks! TRAVELLINGCARI My storyTell me yours 17:06, 15 March 2008 (UTC)

AFD for Rhode Island Mall
Hi, I thank you for adding those sources. With that, IMO, the mall now passes WP:N and i've changed my vote. I had no clue that Deadmalls.com was considered to be a reliable source. From what i've seen, you always show good faith and are one of the best editors on Wikipedia (how you keep getting declined for adminship is beyond me). The Rhode Island Mall is a sparsely frequented mall and initially I couldn't find a thing aside from Deadmalls.com and it didn't seem to be as notable as other dead malls like Dixie Square (on account that the Rhode Island Mall is still open for business). Nonetheless, thank you for finding those sources. Doc StrangeMailbox Orbitting Black Hole Strange Frequencies 20:40, 15 March 2008 (UTC)

Your slant
You put your slant on it...and cry wolf when I put my slant on it. If you want it to stop changing, I suggest you write an objective article instead of one that acts like homosexuals are victims of Meijer's corporate machine. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ta5172 (talk • contribs)

You forgot to update your user page...
In the answer to the second question, you haven't updated your age. Thought I'd tell you here, as I know some people resent others editing their userpages. J Milburn (talk) 00:40, 16 March 2008 (UTC)

intereffectuality
Far from a hoax, ineffectuality is merely a recent term of some importance in critical studies. While I do not know all the sources referenced by other editors, I would be happy to direct you to several pieces on intereffectuality in order to source the point more fully, which must be done in the context of a wiki article. thanks for being so vigilant in helping to protect wikipedia. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Chakira (talk • contribs) 01:51, 17 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Can I get a copy of the article for my archives (w/talk page)? Im not going to revert it right now since edit wars are undesirable, but perhaps some day w/many more sources to show that it is about as much of a hoax as the moon landing. thanks so much. --Chakira (talk) 01:56, 18 March 2008 (UTC)


 * I've userfied the article and left a message at Chakira's talk page. -- SatyrTN (talk / contribs) 02:10, 18 March 2008 (UTC)

Is it over? :)
Figured you could use some help with those closings. Ran into a number of edit conflicts though. SynergeticMaggot (talk) 02:17, 17 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Not a problem. Now I'm on to tagging the talk pages. And stealing more of your userboxes. SynergeticMaggot (talk) 02:21, 17 March 2008 (UTC)

Question for you
Hi Why did you remove the 18 store listings on August 1st from this page? http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Mill_Creek_Town_Center

Thanks! —Preceding unsigned comment added by Mr425 (talk • contribs) 06:05, 17 March 2008 (UTC)

Ref fixes
Hello. Thanks for fixing the quotation marks in the references I added to List of songs in unusual time signatures. I wonder if you could help me with this problem. I use Windows Notepad and MS Word to help me with editing. However, with my new computer, the quotation mark formatting is messed up when I paste into Wikipedia. I have to go through and manually change the marks. Any ideas on how I can change the settings in my applications so they don't use the goofy, non-plain quotation marks? Nick Graves (talk) 18:13, 17 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the help. Knowing that those "goofy quotes" are called "smart quotes" helped me track down how to fix the problem. Nick Graves (talk) 18:27, 17 March 2008 (UTC)

Biker Mice
There is official website of biker mice for 2006 version but this is the only notable website for the 1993 version of biker mice version with character bios. But i feel it is unreliable for third person source for 1993 version of biker mice character bio and it has not been updated in since 2001. And anyway its a fansite.Dwanyewest (talk) 21:33, 17 March 2008 (UTC)

i feel if you persist with keeping it get rid of [] as i feel characters who are only appeared in one episode are note worthless unless they have appeared more than they have had an effect in story arcs. But really not worth a whole page.Dwanyewest (talk) 21:42, 17 March 2008 (UTC)

Molecular bonding model
I'm more than happy to let this page go, but its not original research. It was intended to be a linking page between the various bonding models already on wikipedia. I plan to list reference which will include general chemistry texts, this is very elementary stuff. Do you have specific concerns?--OMCV (talk) 03:46, 18 March 2008 (UTC)
 * I see your point. I just did a search for "Molecular bonding model" on google and didn't turn up anything.  The closest I found was "Models of chemical bonding".   Don't worry I will be able to site a literary paper that uses the term "Molecular bonding model" when I'm on campus tomorrow.  Let me know if you have any other concerns.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by OMCV (talk • contribs) 04:24, 18 March 2008 (UTC)
 * I'm really not trying to pull a fast one on you. I can site as many chemistry articles as is necessary, most of which will be from 60-70 years ago when these models were being developed.  I can also site generally chemistry textbooks, most of them will be on the older side as well since the idea of "bonding models" has since been incorporated into the oral tradition of chemistry.  I'm unfamiliar with categories but I'll go through and add them to the stuff I've put up.--OMCV (talk) 04:46, 18 March 2008 (UTC)

Articles for deletion/Patrick Zurek
Check this one out! This is the first time, in all my time closing afd's, that someone reopened the afd. And it was the nominator! Speedy means speedy, wouldnt you agree? :) SynergeticMaggot (talk) 04:47, 18 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Check out also the nominators talk page for more info. He's already removed it off his discussion page mind you, so look at the history. SynergeticMaggot (talk) 04:52, 18 March 2008 (UTC)

Adding a little fuel to the fire, ain't ya? We couldn't leave this open a few hours so that the nominator would have just shut up? -- RoninBK T C 05:01, 18 March 2008 (UTC)
 * For what it's worth, I think TenPoundHammer handled this matter appropriately. Sincerely, -- Le Grand Roi des Citrouilles  Tally-ho! 05:02, 18 March 2008 (UTC)
 * I suppose, it just seems weird to ask one editor to wait 24 hours, and have someone else turn around and close it early again. -- RoninBK T C 05:04, 18 March 2008 (UTC)
 * I believe that it was reasonably clear that the discussion was turning into one in which every new editor popping in with a keep argument was going to end up versing only the nominator's delete "rationale". And there seemed the possibility of this article's closure, unclosure, closure following a trend: (see nominator's removal of non-admin closure here in this other discussion, only to have an admin close as keep ultimately anyway; or this non-admin closure was followed by this comment.  And you can see how that Xena one, like the bishop one, was also an overwhelming majority of keep arguers versus one or two delete voters.  In any event, I think TenPoundHammer got both the Rhode Island Mall and this more recent article right, so, since it's his talk page, good job!  Best, -- Le Grand Roi des Citrouilles  Tally-ho! 05:16, 18 March 2008 (UTC)
 * I do not dispute the likely outcome of this particular AfD. I'm concerned however that the NAC process is still in relative infancy, and if non-admins are seen abusing other established policies and guidelines, that this little experiment could fail. 24 hours is not an unreasonable amount of time to allow before a SNOW close, this permits editors to weigh in globally without favoritism to time zone. Secondly, the discussion I was having with the nominator was producing some results, we've found a contradiction between NAC and WP:Speedy Keep that needs to be addressed. And third, the longer a Rescue tag stays on an article, the more members of the WP:ARS see the article, and can help clean it up. All I am asking is that instead of invoking IAR, let's shakedown the rule to find the contradictions, and streamline the process. -- RoninBK T C 05:55, 18 March 2008 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Tangled But True
Cheers for pointing that out. I had a small moment of brain fade there when I typed that one up. Thanks  Esradekan Gibb   "Talk" 07:11, 18 March 2008 (UTC)

Carrie Underwood (Last Name chart positions)
Hi! I am having trouble with a poster by the name of "omghmgomg" (something like that). He or she claims that "Last Name" did not enter the Billboard charts and says that it only peaked at #46 on Radio and Records and not Billboard. He claims that the single is going to be released on April 7, 2008 but it has entered the country charts. I thought that Radio and Records and Billboard merged together. I have had trouble with this poster before on Carrie's discography when he or she messed with "All-American Girl". Who is right? Thanks!! User:BravesFan2006|BravesFan2006talk 07:30, CST, 18 March 2008 (UTC)

Brian Thornton
I think this edit was a mistake. The page had already been AfD and did not need to be re-AfDed. I have speedy deleted it but the old AfD discussion got overwritten. Not a complaint but just one to watch for --BozMo talk 13:29, 18 March 2008 (UTC)

James Otto
I got the information about him releasing an album with Raybaw from Billboard: http://www.billboard.biz/bbbiz/content_display/genre/e3i9f2d02205fc84b50cd1baf173dd3a8b0 He's also listed on their official website. With the label closing its doors, Sunset Man will be released under Raybaw's umbrella, and then future releases will be through Warner Brothers. Spell4yr (talk) 15:08, 18 March 2008 (UTC)

Jeff Wood/Julie Wood/Phil Vasser relation
You have been correctly informed. I have known Jeff for years and Phil did marry Jeff's sister Julie. I am unaware of their current status but it was in fact true. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Chmesmith (talk • contribs) 16:01, 18 March 2008 (UTC)

Carrie Underwood "Last Name" chart positions
Hi TenPoundHammer!

I would like to know why a certain poster "omgohmomg" (whatever his or her name is) wants to change the positions on Carrie Underwood's new single "Last Name". I thought that Radio and Records and Billboard merged. It debuted at #46 on Radio and Records/Billboard and it counts as the current single. I have had trouble with this person before when he or she messed up the discography of Carrie's when All-American Girl hit number-one and he or she changed it a half dozen times before you changed it back to the way it was.

Here's what I did when I saw "Last Name" at #46. I added the song to her current singles, added #46, and put down the website (www.radioandrecords.com) and where it was on the site (3/21/2008 weekly country chart highlights).

Please look into this at once. I didn't know that a person can take over a site like this and call it his or her own. Thanks in advance.

BravesFan2006 talk 11:56, CDT, 18 March 2008

Non-admin AfD Closure
You know I've been searching and searching the help files for this, but no luck. How do you do a non-admin closure for an AfD? Wildthing61476 (talk) 18:08, 18 March 2008 (UTC)


 * Thanks, been searching for that for months! Wildthing61476 (talk) 18:15, 18 March 2008 (UTC)

your closure here
Is it normal to close an AfD after less than 12 hours with only 2 non nominating responses?--Rockfang (talk) 00:41, 19 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Is it normal? No. Can it be done? Who knows. Its bold, I'll give you that. SynergeticMaggot (talk)
 * No worries. I was just curious.--Rockfang (talk) 01:44, 19 March 2008 (UTC)

RfA
 SynergeticMaggot would like to nominate you to become an administrator. Please visit Requests for adminship to see what this process entails, and then contact SynergeticMaggot to accept or decline the nomination. A page for your nomination at Requests for adminship/ . If you accept the nomination, you must formally state and sign your acceptance and answer the questions on that page. Once you have answered the questions, you may post your nomination for discussion, or request that your nominator do so.


 * You're not going to believe this. That template doesnt link to your RfA, so here. SynergeticMaggot (talk) 02:25, 19 March 2008 (UTC)


 * You so took my idea! I was gonna nom him... at least I can vote in either case. :) Master of Puppets  Call me MoP! ☺  02:27, 19 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Hey 10LB, just so you know, you'll probably get a couple frivolous "not 3 months since the last one" opposes. You might consider waiting a few more weeks. Just a thought. GlassCobra 02:46, 19 March 2008 (UTC)
 * When your done, and you've signed it, do me a favor and add it to the RfA main page for me. I'm worried about this transclusion thing. Its something i still dont understand and i didnt want it removed based on me not knowing anything about transclusion. SynergeticMaggot (talk) 02:49, 19 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Now I really feel dumb. I didnt know thats what they meant by transclusion. SynergeticMaggot (talk) 02:53, 19 March 2008 (UTC)
 * One piece of advice. If someone does vote oppose, let it be. I learned that during my failed RfA. Dont respond unless its a question directed to you, not a rhetorical one. SynergeticMaggot (talk) 03:09, 19 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Good luck. Malinaccier (talk) 03:17, 19 March 2008 (UTC)
 * TPH, just a quick comment and question. Comment-wise, I am really disappointed in Van Tucky's comments on your RfA.  If you do look at Seraphim Whipp's recent RfA, you'll get a sense of what does and does not work when discussing with oppose editors.  So, anyway, it bothers me if your RfA became needlessly heated.  Question-wise, were you to close AfDs, would you be willing to acknowledge that if an article has been improved during the discussion, you would give editors a chance to continue improving and bettering the article?  Even if Wikipedia is not a democracy, if there is a clear disagreement among editors in an AfD, that the closure really is a no consensus?  That if a redirect place does exist, that the article should be redirected as a means of at least allowing editors' real contribution history's to remain public?  And finally even if it's for a type of article that you really don't like (such as an "in popular culture" article), if a respectable number of good faith editors argue that it should be kept, you'll acknowledge that it is either a keep or no consensus?  I may not be able to persuade you to be more balanced in AfD participation and to help find references for more articles rather than just vote to delete them, but I would be greatly reassured if I had a reasonable response to the above.  I'm asking you here rather than at your RfA as I do not feel right about "dominating" any discussion there.  Best, -- Le Grand Roi des Citrouilles  Tally-ho! 04:59, 19 March 2008 (UTC)
 * GL, man. Hope this one comes through! Tony Fox (arf!) 05:13, 19 March 2008 (UTC)

Otter-otta-ought to
Ok, so I'm getting goofy. < > It was too good to pass up. < > Cheers, and good luck!  Dloh <font color="#950095">cierekim'''  03:23, 19 March 2008 (UTC)

mail
on the way. <font color="#009500"> Dloh <font color="#950095">cierekim'''  04:16, 19 March 2008 (UTC)

Re:Carrie Underwood Last Name
Yeah, I've checked the message you left on the talk page. Sorry about that, living in Australia, its hard to regularly check on country charts. σмgнgσмg <sup style="color:black;">(talk) 05:42, 19 March 2008 (UTC)

Your RFA
It was half of a joke on my part, as I was really supporting you. I've had a pretty bad time with hammers in the past, so it was really an inside joke. I still am having trouble grasping why you aren't an admin yet. Editorofthewiki 19:15, 19 March 2008 (UTC)

many thanks !!
yup u r right that delete may not be the only option, though i never wish to unlist this article this article deals with a very famous political personality who lives in active politics , her moves are being og much importance in both in central and state assemblies , she being a very bold personality suffered due to some unsuccessful / some times wrong and unpopular moves which were even controversial at times , but this is all normal in any active and populat politician globally , and coming to this article there is not a single word of pro about her and even the Successes and Failures are seem to have been removed , this article is biased and highly disputable and one sided .....it is 90 % biased ....moreover im unable to edit it due to the unavailability of infos ....many  thanks for your effort ...its so nice to work with you ....Pearll&#39;s sun (talk) 20:15, 19 March 2008 (UTC)

Articles for deletion/Craig Richards (actor)
Wow, that was quick; well done! J Milburn (talk) 21:43, 19 March 2008 (UTC)

Adminship 5
I voted for you in the adminship! P.S. there are millions of people supporting you!!-- B a r k j o n 21:57, 19 March 2008 (UTC)

speedy or hasty delete?
A director friend of mine sent me a link to "Craig Richards" on Wikipedia and noted it's a British DJ, not a reference to me.

So I submitted a page so people could more easily find a reference to me, which does not invalidate the information nor does it make the information untrue. All the information is easily verified by multiple sources including imdb.com.

I've been an actor since 1977 and was cast in all the roles cited. I worked those films and television shows, so I know I was there. It's difficult for me to comprehend someone else deciding arbritarily that the submission is untrue.

I appreciate your noble endeavor to keep Wikipedia as clean and reliable as possible. Kudos to you. However if you look at my contributions history, you can clearly see I am not a spammer nor have I ever submitted any false information. I suggest your delete of my submission was not only speedy, but also hasty.

For your reference, here is a quick list of the roles (none of them "extras") in which I've been cast over the years that can also be found at http://www.CraigRichards.com/act/resume.html:

Film Man Maid (Jigsaw Pictures), State Trooper Punk Love (Blondie Productions), Deputy Sheriff Jones Surrender (Women Warriors), T. Griffin Sanders The Majestic (Castle Rock Entertainment), Studio Guard Rat Race (Alphaville Films/Paramount Pictures), State Trooper Rossi The Princess Diaries (Disney/Bottom of the Ninth Productions), Father Corky Romano: "Special" Agent (Disney/Corky Productions), FBI Agent The Flintstones (Amblin Entertainment), Quarry Worker On Deadly Ground (Warner Bros. Pictures), Mercenary Sniper Good Girls Don't (Leo Films), Good Boss Bustin' Loose (Universal Pictures), Bailiff Buddy, Buddy (MGM), Attorney Ice (PM Entertainment Group), Patrol Officer/Stunts Beach Bunnies (Pirromount Productions), Orderly Caged Fury (20th Century Fox), EMT

Television HBO First Look – The Majestic (Castle Rock Entertainment), Studio Guard/Himself The Micronots! (pilot episodes), Captain Giles Slate (lead) The Jersey: Bringing The Heat (episode #2.22), Blue Jays Coach Marilyn & Bobby: Her Final Affair (MOW), Secret Service Agent Dr. Quinn, Medicine Woman (episodic), Swede (multiple episodes) Pickett Fences (episodic), Camera Technician (multiple episodes) The Adventures of Brisco County Jr. (episodic), Gambler (multiple episodes) Café Americain: And Giblets for All (episode #1.9), German Patron

Theatre The Full Monty, Buddy "Keno" Walsh (principal) Arsenic and Old Lace, Jonathan Brewster (principal) The Rocky Horror Show, Narrator (principal) Stepping Out, Geoffrey (principal) Light Up The Sky, Sidney Black (lead) Final Reunion, Congressman William Cheyney (lead) Making The Call, Secret Service Agent Parker (lead) Down, Please. Please!, Dick Mason (principal) The Hardy Boys and the Mystery of Where Babies Come From, Mr. Hardy (principal) Heaven Can Wait, Tony Abbot (principal) Finishing Touches, Jeff Cooper (lead) Barefoot in the Park, Paul Bratter (lead) Mr. Moto Meets Killer, Mr. Moto (title lead) Not With My Daughter..!, Rip Tracy (lead) Laura, Detective Mark McPherson (lead) Play It Again, Sam, Bogey* (lead) The Impossible Years, Richard Merrick (lead) The Silver Whistle, Reverend Watson (principal) Born Yesterday, Assistant Hotel Manager

Please reconsider the delete of /Craig_Richards_Actor or, if you have any other questions or concerns, I encourage you to contact me directly.

Craig Richards (talk) 02:15, 20 March 2008 (UTC)

Message!
Hello Bobby! How are you? I supported your RfA. In fact I "strongly supported" your RfA! You have created lots of articles for Wikipedia and you have a great sense of humor. Regards, Masterpiece2000 (talk) 04:13, 20 March 2008 (UTC)

Still Restless
Yeah, it's in the queue. I still think the hook is a little inaccurate, but as I couldn't think at the time of an appropriate alternative, and as they are obviously all songs the band itself hasn't previously recorded, I decided it was probably close enough to be given a pass. Gatoclass (talk) 13:59, 20 March 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for the support
<div class="NavFrame collapsed" style="border-style: solid ; text-align: left; border: black solid 2px; -moz-border-radius: 10px; background: #ffffff; padding: 5px;"> <div class="NavHead" style="border-style: solid; -moz-border-radius: 10px; background: white; text-align: center; border: black solid 1px; padding: 1px; font-size: 150%;"><font face="helvetica" color="#000000">Oh snap, the DEA is an admin
 * And good luck with yours. -- ÐeadΣyeДrrow (Talk - Contribs) 14:21, 20 March 2008 (UTC)

His Imperial Highness Prince Sertan Saltan
Hi

His Imperial Highness Prince Sertan Saltan

In regard to Bill King XVII, what is wrong with it and what do I need to do to fix it? I'm new to this and am still trying to figure out how to make a good article —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.226.114.104 (talk) 00:42, 21 March 2008 (UTC)

About Carrie Underwood discography
In regards to your latest edit, I don't see why we can simply have "did not chart", because "or have not yet charted" is technically "did not chart". "Did not chart" is a broad umbrella which covers that term. σмgнgσмg <sup style="color:black;">(talk) 01:22, 21 March 2008 (UTC)

Joe Diffie songs
There are a few requests for Joe Diffie songs that need to be created. Go to this Wikipedia link: Requested articles/music/Songs, and look for songs by Joe Diffie that are outlined in red and have a link in them, and create pages. --Martin4647 (talk) 01:31, 21 March 2008 (UTC)

Trace Adkins
You dont delete fact just because the reference was placed in the wrong location. Do not remove content without GOOD reason. KellyAna (talk) 02:38, 21 March 2008 (UTC)

William Lee Golden / The Oak Ridge Boys
WOW! You didn't waste any time proposing a merger and then perfoming it. Do you think four minutes is enough time for editors to discuss a merger between articles? If you're going to merge William Lee Golden at least acutally merge it unlike the wholesale trashing of the content from other members of the band you have redirected to the group. -NatureBoyMD (talk) 20:31, 21 March 2008 (UTC)