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 * Regarding your edit to planned parenthood, here's the source which I quote (emphasis added), "Phill Kline, a strongly antiabortion Republican defeated by Morrison in November, started the criminal inquiry against two Kansas abortion clinics on grounds that doctors may have conducted illegal late-term abortions and failed to report cases involving underage girls who, by statute, could have been considered victims of rape."  It's in a reliable source in the context of his efforts here.  If the source felt it was relevant, so can we.  No NPOV violation.Mattnad (talk) 14:53, 14 July 2015 (UTC)

The way it is written makes it seem like he already had it out for the clinic from the start. Especially as your edit had already been reverted once before, I think it best, in the interest of a more nuanced and neutral article to leave them out.
 * That's your interpretation, but as a matter of wikipidia policy, if a reliable source makes a connection, then it's not an NPOV violation. At any rate, the GOP position on Abortion is well documented and clearly the Washington Post found it relevant to mention.Mattnad (talk) 16:51, 14 July 2015 (UTC)

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Please refrain from changing genres, as you did to Anti-abortion movements, without providing a source or establishing a consensus on the article's talk page first. Genre changes to suit your own point of view are considered disruptive. Thank you. – Davey 2010 Talk 21:44, 25 July 2015 (UTC)
 * My bad the above should've been a page-move warning, Anyway there was no consensus in regards to Anti-abortion movements being moved so if you want it moved you'll have to request a move at the talkpage, Thanks, – Davey 2010 Talk 21:48, 25 July 2015 (UTC)


 * Just a bit of history here - quite a few years ago there was a very long and drawn-out discussion about how we name abortion movements on Wikipedia. One side wanted to use "pro-life" and "pro-abortion" (or "abortion rights") for the two camps, whereas the other wanted to use "anti-abortion" and "pro-choice".  The agreement that was eventually reached ws (inevitably) a compromise - it was decided that we would use "anti-abortion" and "abortion rights" for the two sides.  Hence the result you see on many articles.  If you think about it, it's also logical - "pro-life" and "pro-choice" can both be seen as pejorative.  Please don't change articles away from the two uses given.  Thanks. Black Kite (talk) 22:09, 25 July 2015 (UTC)
 * No, I did not know the history behind it. It seemed biased but how you explained it makes sense, and is certainly reasonable. Next time I'll try my best to avoid a mistake like this. My apologies and thank you for clearing it up. 1517today (talk) 19:25, 27 July 2015 (UTC)

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Please read wp:Neutral point of view. It doesn't mean anything negative gets removed. Jim1138 (talk) 06:09, 5 February 2017 (UTC)

I have read it before and understand it. This part that I removed is not even negative. All it does is provide one (very biased) review, thus I removed it. 1517today (talk) 14:48, 5 February 2017 (UTC)

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Thank you for your recent message! The edits to which you refer must have been a while back. I have not added WCC to any 'membership' columns although, of course, that could and should be included in a historical way w/in another appropriate part of an article. Again, I cannot recall using WCC in the info box for some time and I definitely don't remember using WCC for the Mainline Protestant denominations article. As for adherents, different countries, especially in Europe but also in Canada, determine affiliation using criteria that may be at variance with one denomination or another. In denominations where adherents are counted, as is the case for many historic European denominations, I would suggest that, at the very least, space be included to mention that. I would also suggest that the edit summary be used. I have been informed that it is supposed to be used to explain the edits. Again, thanks for the message, the conversation, and the help.SeminarianJohn (talk) 04:25, 5 June 2017 (UTC)

Thanks for your reply. Yes, WCC membership numbers are certainly a valid historical source, I hope you did not understand me as saying that. However, as I had previously mentioned, they are fairly outdated. Therefore, I would recommend that they not go at the top of the article or in the info box, but rather in the membership section found further down in the various articles. I understand the affiliate/membership dilemna, again I would suggest putting that in the membership section in the article itself, as opposed to the intro or info box. You are right that I should use edit summaries more, my apologies. Thanks for the conversation! 1517today (talk) 00:48, 6 June 2017 (UTC)

Agreed on WCC statistics. I had used them awhile back, but then I had discovered they are generally outdated now. I have to apologize myself and make a correction. I did add them to the Mainline Protestant article for the historically African American denominations. I could not find any other source for those. If you find an updated credible source, please add it. I will search as well, but two is more than one. I agree with you on fixing the info boxes. Personally, I am glad that someone else has taken an interest in updating pages for denominations. There are so many, and they get left behind. I have found some that had information going way back! Again, thanks! Let's keep working together on those.SeminarianJohn (talk) 05:10, 6 June 2017 (UTC)

Statistics for black churches are generally very hard to come by, if I find some I will definitely update. Yes it is too much for one person, many hands make light work Thank you very much! 1517today (talk) 22:22, 6 June 2017 (UTC)

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I would recommend adding something in the 'talk' to discuss some of the statistics you had removed. I have started a section so we can see what we find. Many of those valid sources were cited by several editors/users. The government statistics, and the ACoC official site, state that it is the third largest denomination in Canada after the Catholic Church and the United Church. If you disagree with that, I would only recommend discussing it in 'Talk' first as that has been established as true in the past by valid sources and multiple users. I also know, from other conversations and reading, that removing well-sourced material is not customary on Wikipedia especially if that information is well supported and documented. Regarding the info box, I edited it to include members and adherents as separate.SeminarianJohn (talk) 04:33, 5 June 2017 (UTC)

You are right, I should have sourced better. I will see if I can find my source again saying that those numbers are outdated and with replacement numbers. In the info box, I currently only see adherents and not members.1517today (talk) 00:51, 6 June 2017 (UTC)

Thanks! As I said above, I totally agree for the changes made to Mainline Protestant article. Thanks for those changes. If more of us users look for updated information, we'll be much better resourced.

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