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SÜLEYMAN ŞAH (Remarks of NEDİM ARDOĞA are ABSOLUTELY CORRECT!!)
According to wikipedi, reigned between 1077-1227 (150 years, he should be born on approx. 1065 then and died on 1227 at the age of 162, looks strange and there were 2 süleyman şahs and 2 Kaya or Kutalmış Begs the ohers were the Anatolian Selçuk rules.

===PERHAPS Takabeg and Aciram or any other editors of Wikipedia now can support their ideas by providing us with some false references, as they usually lead the people up the garden path as in the case of mothers of Ottoman Sultans. Can you imagine that those persons who cannot pronounce their names assigning some nicknames for mother sultans which is written nowhere but a fake book called "Padişah Anaları by Meram Express :)" written in Turkish by a person who is UNABLE TO SPEAK TURKISH AT ALL, BUT THIS AUTHOR KNOWS MINUTE BY MINUTE IN DETAIL WHAT THOSE MOTHERS WERE DOING IN HAREM IN HIS BOOK, AND HE LISTS THE ETHIC IDENTITY AND ORIGINAL NAMES OF THOSE MOTHERS WHICH ARE NOT AGAIN SUPPORTED BY REAL DOCUMENTATION WRITTEN ANYWHERE, and this is loved by Wikipedia editors like ACIRAM & TAGABEKH and they immediately show this book as a scientific evidence to readers by revealing it to wikipedia readers... These are all hopless and miserable contrived efforts of wikipedia editors of "Greek ethnicity" like ACIRAM, TagaBEKH, KURU, LADYOFSHOFT, Redman19, Dinkytown, and Drmies in order to suppress their own jammy personalities, which is deliberate act of misleading international community and should be severely punished because of their participation in this multiple-user account vandalization process in Wikipedia===

3. IT WILL BE BETTER FOR YOU TO SPEND YOUR TIME ON TOPICS LIKE "atheism" as "Ladyoffsholt" is doing
=== 4. ACTUALLY YOU ARE BEING PAID IN WIKIPEDIA PROJECT NOT TO INSULT CITIZENS OF GREAT NATIONS LIKE US, WHEN JIMMY WALES HAVE LEARNT THAT YOU ARE on the dodge VANDALIZING WIKIPEDIA PAGES IN ORDER TO DISSEMINATE YOUR dolorous wacky IDEOLOGIES, ALL OF YOU MAY BE FIRED !!! THE NUMBER OF READINGS COMPLAINING ABOUT YOUR PRESUMPTUOUS ATTITUTE IS RAPIDLY GROWING ON THESE DAYS!!!===

5. LEAVE THE PREPARATION OF TURKISH & OTTOMAN HISTORY PAGES TO THE RENOWNED EXPERTS AND UNIVERSITY PROFESSORS, YOU CAN JUST WORK UNDER THEIR AUTHORITY!!!
=== 6. AND FINALLY STOP DELIBERATELY ATTACKING TO THOSE TURKISH PEOPLE AND STOP VANDALIZING THE TURKISH & OTTOMAN HISTORY PAGES WITH IRRELEVANT PICTURES AND FALSE RREFERENCES, WHICH THE WIKIPEDIA CONTAINS MANY OF THESE EXAMPLES ===

WHAT ARE YOU DOING ABOUT THE VANDALIZATION PROCESS IN WIKIPEDIA ON THE SUBJECT OF OTTOMAN / TURKISH HISTORY
===ARE YOU STILL ADDING FALSE REFERENCES TAKEN FROM NOVEL BOOKS, I ADVISE YOU TO FIRST WRITE A FALSE BOOK, THEN YOU MAY TRANSLATE IT TO TURKISH AND THAN YOU CAN USE IT AS A CREDIBLE REFERENCE AS YOU HAD DONE IN THE CASE OF "VALIDE SULTANS"===

===BUT, IT BACAME OBVIOUS THAT YOU EVEN DON'T KNOW WHO IS WHO, AS IN THE CASE OF "AMINA MIHR-I-SHAH", I HAD BEEN WARNING YOU AGAIN AND AGAIN TO CORRECT YOUR MISTAKES. INSTEAD OF CORRECTING YOUR MISTAKES AND BEGGING AN APOLOGY FROM THOSE PERSONS THAT YOU HAD INSULTED FREQUENTLY, WHEN YOU LEARNED ABOUT THE REAL HISTORY INSTEAD OF THE FICTITIOUS ONE WRITTEN IN YOUR NOVEL BOOKS, YOU HAVE BECOME MORE AGGRESSIVE AND THREATENING MANY "knowledgeable" PERSONS AT THIS ADDRESS TO SHUT THEIR MOUTH UP!!!===

===BUT WHAT'S HAPPENING, AS FAR AS I HAVE HEARD FROM A FRIEND OF MINE HERE, YOU ARE IMPROVING AND PASSED THE FIRST CLASS!!! PLEASE ACCEPT MY BEST "congratulations" DEAR WIKIPEDIA RENOWNED EDITORS, YOU ARE LEARNING WELL SO FAST, EVEN THOUGH IT TOOK FOR YOU MORE THAN SIX MONTHS TO DISCOVER AND ADMIT YOUR DEFFICIENCIES IN OTTOMAN TURKISH HISTORY!!! SHAME ON YOU!! Primary school students!!! BUT STILL YOU CONTINUE TO ADDRESS THE REAL CONTRIBUTORS WITH AN INSULTIVE TONE AND IN AN AGGRESSIVE MANNERS. BECAUSE YOU ARE EDITORS, YOU HAVE "NO RIGHT TO INSULT HUMAN BEINGS", BUT YOU are CALLING THEM AS ANIMALS AS TAKABEG DID, BUT THESE ANIMALS KNOW THE HISTORY BETTER THAN YOU MR EDITORS LIKE: "ACIRAM, TAKABEG, KURU, LADYOFSHOFT, Redman19, Dinkytown, Drmies". NOW PERHAPS ALL THESE ACCOUNTS BELONG TO THE SAME PERSON AND HE IS PLAYING AND VANDALIZING WIKIPEDIA. HOW ABOUT YOU "MR ACIRAM AND TAKABEG" HAVE YOU LEARNED THE REAL IDENTITY OF "HANDAN AND NURBANU VALIDE SULTANS"? YOU ARE WRITING EVERYWHERE "SHE WAS CHRISTIAN AND CONVERTED TO ISLAM AFTER BEING CAPTURE". I'LL TELL YOU SOMETHING, IF YOU DON'T KNOW ANYTHING, DON'T WRITE THE SAME THING EVERYWHRE. HAVE YOU LEARNED NOW ABOUT "NURBANU'S JEWISH ETNICITY? I WONDER WHEN WILL YOU OPEN A NEW ACCOUNT TO RE-START YOUR VANDALIZATION PROCESS FROM DIFFRENT ACCOUNT? NOW CLOSE THESE ACCONTS NAMED AS "TAKABEG AND ACIRAM" AND USE THE ACCOUNTS OF "KURU, LADYOFSHOFT, Redman19, Dinkytown, Drmies" SO NOBODY DISCOVER ABOUT YOUR VANDALIZING IDENTITY. IF YOU ARE REALLY NOT VANDALS!!!, THEN YOU ARE THE MOST ILLITERATE PEOPLE THAT THE WIKIPEDIA READERS HAVE EVER SEEN IN THEIR LIFE. "I AM TELLING YOU, YOU ARE DEMAGING NICE RELATIONS AMONGST MANY PEOPLE AROUND WORLD AND CREATING HOSTILITIES BETWEEN PEOPLES BELONGING TO DIFFRERENT NATIONS." JUST ADMIT YOUR ILLITERACY ON THE TOPIC AND STOP CONTINIOUSLY HARRASSING WIKIPEDIA READERS, THIS IS NOT YOUR PRIVATE PLAYGROUNG, AND YOU CAN NOT PLACE FALSIFIED AND FAKE INFORMATION TO WIKIPEDIA. YOU CAN NOT USE WIKIPEDIA ENVIRONMENT IN ORDER TO DISSEMINATE YOUR "PERNICIOUS" IDEOLOGIES.!!!BUT DON'T WORRY, YOUR END IS COMING SOON, SINCE YOU ARE BEING PAID IN WIKIPEDIA PROJECT. WHEN JIMMY WALES HAVE LEARNT THAT YOU ARE VANDALIZING WIKIPEDIA PAGES on the dodge IN ORDER TO DISSEMINATE YOUR dolorous wacky IDEOLOGIES, SOONER OR LATER ALL OF YOU WILL BE FIRED!!!===

Ertuğrul's father
The upper part of the Ottoman dynasty family tree is not plausible. Suleyman Shah reigns for 130 years and becomes a father after 100th birthday. Was he a super natural being ? The fact is that we know nothing about pre-Ertuğrul times. Probably the name Süleyman was a fabrication. Gündüz Alp is more probable. But there must be other names between Gündüz and Ertuğrul. Nedim Ardoğa (talk) 08:11, 4 January 2011 (UTC)

Mehmed II
When you are unblocked, please join the discussion concerning the portrait for the article Mehmed II. Talk:Mehmed II. Thank you. --Kansas Bear (talk) 07:12, 6 January 2011 (UTC)