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Thank you for your mighty speed! JSFarman (talk) 21:24, 26 July 2013 (UTC)
 * It was a really good article! probably one of the few good BLP's in WP:AFC, By the way if you havent noticed, I have changed the name of the person to the more appropriate one.  Prabash.  Akmeemana   21:28, 26 July 2013 (UTC)

Thanks for reverting vandalism on my user page and talk page! L smll  23:43, 26 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Hey dont mention it! vandal fighting is a duty of mine here!  Prabash.  Akmeemana   14:51, 27 July 2013 (UTC)

Bombardment of Cherbourg
Thanks for looking into rating the Bombardment of Cherbourg. I took the naval mission to be support of the army infantry occupation of Cherbourg as a port of supply for a breakout. Although i believe the article to be well sourced, some editors comments or edits have apparently objected from a naval view, resisting my framing the article as an early combined services, combined arms operation supporting army infantry assault. Others have objected to my giving the infantry short shrift. Yet others have truncated the section featuring destroyers, -- though the destroyers are carefully sourced as the most effective close infantry support. One sought to drop picturing army air corps contribution to the navy-and-air corps support of the infantry (naval spotters, relaying ground-spotter reports and tactical bombers).

Some issues I do not know how to source into the narrative. Most vessels holed would have been disabled or sunk, had German munitions not been sabotaged by the slave labor manufacturing it, --but I have not found a direct quote for that observation related to this action. I fear anything on that subject cannot be admitted to the article, --there is only a British admiral's observation that losses of capital ships might be very high in future naval operations of the kind.

I acknowledge WP is a collaborative effort, so my subsequent edits to each of these visits has been to try to thread the needle, accepting the substance of each contribution without sacrificing the broader treatment. I would welcome further amendments to improve the article to qualify for Good Article status. Thanks in advance. TheVirginiaHistorian (talk) 12:28, 27 July 2013 (UTC)
 * The battle of Cherbourg, was mainly fought at sea with Allied destroyers and cruisers shelling the German fortifications, that's why we call it a "bombardment". But the bombardment was a precursor to the allied invasion, so it would be key to add some of the infantry content because their success on the ground also means that the bombardment itself was a success. --Remember that this bombardment also had support from the air, B-17's and B-24's from England flew there prior to the ships--. For the editors that oppose that view, I would start an RFC on that, so if an editor does not agree with something for example infantry short removal; this would help reach a consensus and make my review a lot easier. I see that you have tried doing that but nobody really commented, I would put an RFC template on the talk page so you can get the other users to reply


 * I agree with that, the German artillery guns would have the potential to destroy a large chunk of the fleet, but with poor manufacturing, means a critical flaw. If you can get that quote from the British admiral in MOTD form that would be great, to add in on the article. Some parts of the article like the back ground section could require some inline sources, for example "Once the Allied assault at Normandy was assessed as the primary invasion, German commanders sought to limit the lodgment preparatory to a counter offensive. To preserve naval assets, the Cherbourg-based German E-boats were transferred to Saint-Malo. Four destroyers out of Brest tried to make for Cherbourg to follow the E-boats, but they were sunk or disabled." (Taken from the article) that entire section is missing a source to verify if that claim is true.


 * At this moment it looks fine for GA review, but I personally would do the A-Class review first, then the GA. There are some disputes going on whether what should go on the article and what shouldn't, in this case, you are the only editor that took the initiative to bring it to the talk page, start an RFC to get everyones opinion on whether what should be there and what shouldn't. Thanks.  Prabash.  Akmeemana   13:30, 27 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the encouragement. You picture a more interactive, collaborative process in the military community than I have found elsewhere. I found the experience essentially one of write, then drive by amendment, then rewrite on my part.
 * I agree to try for A status first, I somehow missed the sequencing-- I am ambitious to develop as a writer since I find wiki-fencing elsewhere singularly unsatisfying. I will re-read the pages. I like the idea of expanding the article further, adding prior B-17 and B-24 activity, which both aided infantry advance but necessarily disrupted command and control, distribution and allocations of German manpower and materiel for seaward assets as well. Additionally, I'd like to add the recon mission of the USS Hartford (spelling?) destroyer running under the German batteries, that, with an Army spotter plane, provoked camouflaged German batteries to open fire and so disclose their positions. I got side-tracked trying to find the AAC squadron which might have assigned the spotter mission... I'll see if I cannot reconstruct the inline sourcing, I find those who cut text sometimes cut references in the over-write. Thanks again. TheVirginiaHistorian (talk) 11:28, 29 July 2013 (UTC)

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I am back from holidays and I have a huge idea for you and me to work in together... Working on this to take it to GA. What do you say? :)  Miss Bono  [zootalk]  13:52, 29 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Yes, I will start it 12:30PM your time, By the way how was your vacation ?  Prabash.  Akmeemana   14:00, 29 July 2013 (UTC)


 * Pretty cool, thanks for asking. I went to a night club called The Yellow Submarine, on Saturday. Cool music and a live band performed. We were just in fornt of them. They played a lot of awesome songs, the best of them: House of The Rising Song. The premises are quite large and welcoming. Plenty of references to The Beatles on the walls... :) Cool! The lead guitarist lent me the guitar to take a picture with it. It was a BC Rich. I also went to the John Lennon's park and took a picture with him ;) Miss Bono  [zootalk]  14:14, 29 July 2013 (UTC)
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 * Best,
 *  Miss Bono  [zootalk]  14:07, 29 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Sounds great, the article looks good for GA, it just needs to be fleshed out a bit more.  Prabash.  Akmeemana   19:32, 29 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Great, when we start?   Miss Bono  [zootalk]  19:38, 29 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Im going to start as soon as I'm done lunch, but I take that you wont be on after that, so it will be today for me, but because you are going home after work, it will be tomorrow for you.  Prabash.  Akmeemana   19:42, 29 July 2013 (UTC)
 * I thought you said once that you and I edited in the same time zone. Do you lunch after 4:00pm o'clock?  Miss Bono  [zootalk]  19:45, 29 July 2013 (UTC)
 * When we start?  Miss Bono  [zootalk]  17:34, 31 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Now? Prabash.  Akmeemana   18:41, 31 July 2013 (UTC)
 * yep. Good with me  Miss Bono  [zootalk]  18:53, 31 July 2013 (UTC)
 * What should I do?  Miss Bono  [zootalk]  19:57, 31 July 2013 (UTC)
 * I was thinking the same thing, I will help expand and you can help. Can you get another editor to help us? Prabash.  Akmeemana   20:02, 31 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Let's ask and  What do you think?   Miss Bono  [zootalk]  20:04, 31 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Pjoef and I are working on this. It is pretty fun. We don't know yet which month will be for, but I like designing. What do you think of it so far? We are looking for suggestions and ideas from the other members of the WP.   Miss Bono  [zootalk]  20:07, 31 July 2013 (UTC)
 * You both have great graphic designing skills, I personally think the newsletter should be a lot smaller, look at the bugle and the signpost; they are short, simple and simpler. If you need help distributing content for U2, I can get a bot to do it for you! Prabash.  Akmeemana   20:12, 31 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Oh, we have one (I mean a bot). How can I get the NWL smaller?   Miss Bono  [zootalk]  20:14, 31 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Perhaps, instead of showing every single detail, put some of it into links instead, I will demonstrate how in a bit. Prabash.  Akmeemana   20:17, 31 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Great!. In the meantime, I will ask Cullen if he can help with VTour :) Miss Bono  [zootalk]  20:19, 31 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Yes Cullen is a prolific editor he might be busy, I will tell Soni about it ASAP. Prabash.  Akmeemana   20:22, 31 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Don't forget to show me how make the nwl saller.   Miss Bono  [zootalk]  20:24, 31 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Im trying not to mess up the well done page! :P Prabash.  Akmeemana   20:31, 31 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Does soni said something about helping us?? Miss Bono  [zootalk]  14:30, 1 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Soni is at college nowadays so he won't be as on frequently.. I don't want to bother him, unless its urgent. Prabash.  Akmeemana   14:36, 1 August 2013 (UTC)
 * He won't talk me anymore. I remember those times when we became very close and he told me about college exam and stuffs... I am happy that he finally passed the exams and he is in college now. But in July? Isn't vacations?? I'll be taking college exams on May 2014 and hopefully enrolling in the Faculty of Sociology on Sep 2014.  Miss Bono  [zootalk]  14:44, 1 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Thats not of him to be that way, during his exams he was a prolific and active editor until attacked him. After that day he hasn't been active at all. Then WT101 gets blocked for three months  Prabash.  Akmeemana   14:50, 1 August 2013 (UTC)


 * Prabash I request you not to spread any untruths about me, especially after I made it clear my retirement had nothing to do with WT101. Laura, feel free to email me, and I would try to explain as much of my real life concern to you as I can possibly do. Also, I am currently in college, which is why I have decided not to be active until a few weeks later, when I would not be distracted by Wiki and the internet. If you guys have anything specific to ask from me, please feel free to leave me a message on my talk or email me, and I'll respond as soon as I can squeeze out some time for you on the time I can spare out for the internet. TheOriginalSoni (talk) 16:20, 2 August 2013 (UTC)


 * But what exactly did WT101 tell to him?  Miss Bono  [zootalk]  14:55, 1 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Laura he said this. ;( Prabash.  Akmeemana   14:59, 1 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Sad! :'( <span style="font-family:'Arial',cursive"> Miss Bono  [zootalk]  15:02, 1 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Please, see this <span style="font-family:'Arial',cursive">  Miss Bono  [zootalk]  15:03, 1 August 2013 (UTC)

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 * Out of interest, are you planning on reviewing it today or tomorrow (or another time altogether)? Thanks, Mat  ty  .  007  18:16, 30 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Matty I just got home, I will start it right away! :) Prabash.  Akmeemana   18:18, 30 July 2013 (UTC)
 * That's fine, thanks! Mat  ty  .  007  18:23, 30 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the review! That makes the books a good topic now! Thanks, Mat  ty  .  007  17:31, 31 July 2013 (UTC)
 * My pleasure!, the book is a great read and so is the article glad I made you happy! Prabash.  Akmeemana   17:35, 31 July 2013 (UTC)

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The Comedian's Comedian with Stuart Goldsmith edit
Hi, That's no problem, I'm not a regular wikipedia'er so I don't really know the rules too well. However, I'm just curious as to why you thought the edit wasn't constructive. The "Release Date" column on that page was mostly empty so I filled in a good number of the dates, I'm not sure what isn't constructive about that. Cheers! 80.76.195.31 (talk) 15:58, 2 August 2013 (UTC)
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Publishers Clearing House
Hi Prabash.A, I'm aware that questions have been raised twice about your review of Publishers Clearing House and you dismissed them. The article is clearly not fully compliant with the requrements of GA and the review hwas inadequate, so I've opened a new one. Pyrotec (talk) 07:48, 5 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Hello! Thank you so much for taking your time to reassess the article, if it doesn't meet the criteria thats fine for the reassess, I admit I got a bit jumpy on that review, out of the six reviews I did, I only got criticized once, so this is a first for me as im still learning. Thank you again! Prabash.  Akmeemana   08:04, 5 August 2013 (UTC)
 * I've only opened the review, its likely to take a day or so to complete. However, I really think that you need a GA review mentor. I don't mentor, it is not my style, but you are welcome on comment on my review (and or other). The Lead was clearly non-compliant and the article should not have been passed in its present state. Unfortunately, back referring on the review page to Retrolord's talk page review was a big mistake and it does not help that some eight minutes after you posted a message of congratulations on the nominator's talk page, Retrolord also posted one. I've already raised these problems at Wikipedia talk:Good article nominations. Pyrotec (talk) 08:20, 5 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Yeah I dont know what was going through my mind when I was doing that, but its too late now, anyways I have some things to consider for next time.


 * Get a GA mentor. I honestly didn't even know we have a mentorship program for GA reviewers, if I can find one and get one, that would be great.
 * Take a break from reviewing until I familiarize myself with the process and until I get a mentor, this way I can avoid issues like this.
 * Thank you for bringing the concern to the GA reviews talk page, I will comment there in a bit. Prabash.  Akmeemana   00:34, 6 August 2013 (UTC)
 * The GA mentorship program is relatively new actually. -- <sup style="font-weight:normal">t  numbermaniac c 02:28, 6 August 2013 (UTC)

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VisualEditor newsletter for 06 August 2013
It's been almost two weeks since the last newsletter, and a lot of improvements have been made during that time. The main things that people have noticed are significant improvements to speed for typing into long pages, scrolling and deleting  on large pages. There have also been improvements to references, with the latest being support for list-defined references, which are s defined inside a ) (bug 53345).  Selecting both an image and some text, and then trying to add a link, previously deleted the selected image and the text.  This was fixed in bug 50127. There was another problem related to using arrow keys to move the cursor next to an inline image that was fixed (bug 53507).

Looking ahead: The next planned upgrade is scheduled for next Thursday, and you should expect to find a redesigned toolbar with drop-down menus that include room for references, templates, underline, strikethrough, superscript, subscript, and code formatting. There will also be keyboard shortcuts for setting the format (paragraph vs section headings).

If you are active at other Wikipedias, the next group of Wikipedias to have VisualEditor offered to all users is being determined at this time. Generally speaking, languages that depend on the input method editor are not going to receive VisualEditor this month. The current target date is Tuesday, September 24 for logged-in users only. You can help with translating the documentation. In several cases, most of the translation is already done, and it only needs to be copied over to the relevant Wikipedia. If you are interested in finding out whether a particular Wikipedia is currently on the list, you can leave a message for me at my talk page.

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VisualEditor newsletter for September 19, 2013
VisualEditor has been updated twice in the last two weeks. As usual, what is now running on the English Wikipedia had a test run at Mediawiki during the previous week.

As announced, the toolbar was redesigned to be simpler, shorter, and to have the ability to have drop-down groups with descriptions. What you see now is the initial configuration and is expected to change in response to feedback from the English Wikipedia and other Wikipedias. The controls to add  (underline),   (subscript), and   (superscript),   (strikethrough) and   (computer code/monospace font) annotations to text are available to all users in the drop-down menu. At the moment, all but the most basic tools have been moved into a single drop-down menu, including the tools for inserting media, references, reference lists, and templates. The current location of all of the items in the toolbar is temporary, and your opinions about the best order are needed! Please offer suggestions at VisualEditor/Feedback/Toolbar.

In an eagerly anticipated upgrade to the reference dialog, newly added references or reference groups no longer need the page to be saved before they can be re-used (bugs 51689 and 52000). The 'Use existing reference' button is now disabled on pages which don't yet have any references (bug 51848). The template parameter filter in the transclusion dialog now searches both parameter name and label (bug 51670).

In response to several requests, there are some new keyboard shortcuts. You can now set the block/paragraph formatting from the keyboard: Ctrl sets a block as a regular paragraph; Ctrl up to Ctrl sets it as a Heading 1 ("Page title") to Heading 6 ("Sub-heading 4"); Ctrl sets it as pre-formatted (bug 33512). Ctrl, which creates level 2 section headings, may be the most useful.

Some improvements were made to capitalization for links, so typing in "iPhone" will offer a link to "iPhone" as well as "IPhone" (bug 50452).

Copying and pasting within the same document should work better as of today's update, as should copying from VisualEditor into a third-party application (bug 53364, bug 52271, bug 52460). Work on copying and pasting between VisualEditor instances (for example, between two articles) and retaining formatting when copying from an external source into VisualEditor is progressing.

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Welcome back!
I missed you, good to see you back online. ChrisGualtieri (talk) 18:54, 10 October 2013 (UTC)
 * Yeah :) im back just in time for the long weekend :)  Prabash.  Akmeemana   18:55, 10 October 2013 (UTC)
 * Indeed, we missed you! :D<span style="font-family:'Arial',cursive"> Miss Bono  [hello, hello!]  12:03, 11 October 2013 (UTC)
 * and I missed you both as well, glad to see you two are still editing!  Prabash.  Akmeemana   02:07, 15 October 2013 (UTC)
 * Only did about 15,000 edits in that time span. Got a bunch more GAs done, and a few more currently running the gauntlet. I've dropped out of main A&M editing because of the drama there. A long story if you want to know. I am helping out at the Dungeons and Dragons area for the time being. ChrisGualtieri (talk) 02:10, 15 October 2013 (UTC)
 * Chris 15,000 is quite the bit. Once I find a free time I might be able to drop in and help you with GA! Good Luck with D&D! I don't know much about the game so I wont be as much of a help there :/ Prabash.  Akmeemana   22:41, 16 October 2013 (UTC)

VisualEditor newsletter on 16 October 2013
VisualEditor is still being updated every Thursday. As usual, what is now running on the English Wikipedia had a test run at Mediawiki during the previous week. If you haven't done so already, you can turn on VisualEditor by going to your preferences and choosing the item, " ".

The reference dialog for all Wikipedias, especially the way it handles citation templates, is being redesigned. Please offer suggestions and opinions at mw:VisualEditor/Design/Reference Dialog. (Use your Wikipedia username/password to login there.) You can also drag and drop references (select the reference, then hover over the selected item until your cursor turns into the drag-and-drop tool). This also works for some templates, images, and other page elements (but not yet for text or floated items). References are now editable when they appear inside a media item's caption (bug 50459).

There were a number of miscellaneous fixes made: Firstly, there was a bug that meant that it was impossible to move the cursor using the keyboard away from a selected node (like a reference or template) once it had been selected (bug 54443). Several improvements have been made to scrollable windows, panels, and menus when they don't fit on the screen or when the selected item moves off-screen. Editing in the "slug" at the start of a page no longer shows up a chess pawn character ("♙") in some circumstances (bug 54791). Another bug meant that links with a final punctuation character in them broke extending them in some circumstances (bug 54332). The "page settings" dialog once again allows you to remove categories (bug 54727). There have been some problems with deployment scripts, including one that resulted in VisualEditor being broken for an hour or two at all Wikipedias (bug 54935). Finally, snowmen characters ("☃") no longer appear near newly added references, templates and other nodes (bug 54712).

Looking ahead: Development work right now is on rich copy-and-paste abilities, quicker addition of citation templates in references, setting media items' options (such as being able to put images on the left), switching into wikitext mode, and simplifying the toolbar. A significant amount of work is being done on other languages during this month. If you speak a language other than English, you can help with translating the documentation.

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The Bugle: Issue XCII, November 2013
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VisualEditor newsletter for November 2013
Since the last newsletter, the VisualEditor team has worked on some feature changes, major infrastructure improvements to make the system more stable, dependable and extensible, some minor toolbar improvements, and fixing bugs.

A new form parsing library for language characters in Parsoid caused the corruption of pages containing diacritics for about an hour two weeks ago. Relatively few pages at the English Wikipedia were affected, but this created immediate problems at some other Wikipedias, sometimes affecting several dozen pages. The development teams for Parsoid and VisualEditor apologize for the serious disruption and thank the people who reported this emergency at VisualEditor/Feedback and on the public IRC channel, #mediawiki-visualeditor.

There have been dozens of changes since the last newsletter. Here are some of the highlights:


 * Accidental deletion of infoboxes and other items: You now need to press the Delete or Backspace key twice to delete a template, reference or image. The first time, the item becomes selected, and the second time, it is removed.  The need to press the delete key twice should make it more obvious what you are doing and help avoid accidental removals of infoboxes and similar (bug 55336).
 * Switch from VisualEditor to the wikitext editor: A new feature lets you make a direct, one-way editing interface change, which will preserve your changes without needing to save the page and re-open it in the wikitext editor (bug 50687). It is available in a new menu in the action buttons by the Cancel button (where the "Page Settings" button used to be). Note that this new feature is not currently working in Firefox.
 * Categories and Languages are also now directly available in that menu. The category suggestions drop-down was appearing in the wrong place rather than below its input box, which is now fixed. An incompatibility between VisualEditor and the deployed Parsoid service that prevented editing categories and language links was fixed.
 * File:, Help: and Category: namespaces: VisualEditor was enabled for these namespaces the on all wikis (bug 55968), the Portal: and Viquiprojecte: namespaces on the Catalan Wikipedia (bug 56000), and the Portal: and Book: namespaces on the English Wikipedia (bug 56001).
 * Media item resizing: We improved how files are viewed in a few ways. First, inline media items can now be resized in the same way that has been possible with block ones (like thumbnails) before. When resizing a media item, you can see a live preview of how it will look as you drag it (bug 54298). While you are dragging an image to resize it, we now show a label with the current dimensions (bug 54297). Once you have resized it, we fetch a new, higher resolution image for the media item if necessary (bug 55697). Manual setting of media item sizes in their dialog is nearly complete and should be available next week. If you hold down the shift key whilst resizing an image, it will now snap to a 10 pixel grid instead of the normal free-hand sizing. The media item resize label now is centered while resizing regardless of which tool you use to resize it.
 * Undo and redo: A number of improvements were made to the transactions system which make undoing and redoing more reliable during real-time collaboration (bug 53224).
 * Save dialogue: The save page was re-written to use the same code as all other dialogs (bug 48566), and in the process fixed a number of issues. The save dialog is re-accessible if it loses focus (bug 50722), or if you review a null edit (bug 53313); its checkboxes for minor edit, watch the page, and flagged revisions options now layout much more cleanly (bug 52175), and the tab order of the buttons is now closer to what users will expect (bug 51918). There was a bug in the save dialog that caused it to crash if there was an error in loading the page from Parsoid, which is now fixed.
 * Links to other articles or pages sometimes sent people to invalid pages. VisualEditor now keeps track of the context in which you loaded the page, which lets us fix up links in document to point to the correct place regardless of what entry point you launched the editor from—so the content of pages loaded through   and   both now have text links that work if triggered (bug 48915).
 * Toolbar links: A bug that caused the toolbar's menus to get shorter or even blank when scrolled down the page in Firefox is now fixed (bug 55343).
 * Numbered external links: VisualEditor now supports Parsoid's changed representation of numbered external links (bug 53505).
 * Removed empty templates: We also fixed an issue that meant that completely empty templates became impossible to interact with inside VisualEditor, as they didn't show up (bug 55810).
 * Mathematics formulae: If you would like to try the experimental LaTeX mathematics tool in VisualEditor, you will need to opt-in to Beta Features. This is currently available on Meta-wiki, Wikimedia Commons, and Mediawiki.org. It will be available on all other Wikimedia sites on 21 November.
 * Browser testing support: If you are interested in technical details, the browser tests were expanded to cover some basic cursor operations, which uncovered an issue in our testing framework that doesn't work with cursoring in Firefox; the Chrome tests continue to fail due to a bug with the welcome message for that part of the testing framework.
 * Load time: VisualEditor now uses content language when fetching TemplateData information, so reducing bandwidth use, and users on multi-language or multi-script wikis now get TemplateData hinting for templates as they would expect (bug 50888).
 * Reuse of VisualEditor: Work on spinning out the user experience (UX) framework from VisualEditor into oojs-ui, which lets other teams at Wikimedia (like Flow) and gadget authors re-use VisualEditor UX components, is now complete and is being moved to a shared code repository.
 * Support for private wikis: If you maintain a private wiki at home or at work, VisualEditor now supports editing of private wikis, by forwarding the Cookie: HTTP header to Parsoid ( set to true) (bug 44483).  (Most private wikis will also need to install Parsoid and node.js, as VisualEditor requires them.)

Looking ahead: If you have questions or suggestions for future improvements, or if you encounter problems, please let everyone know by posting a note at VisualEditor/Feedback. Thank you! Whatamidoing (WMF) 22:01, 20 November 2013 (UTC)
 * VisualEditor will be released to some of the smaller Wikipedias on 02 December 2013. If you are active at one or more smaller Wikipedias where VisualEditor is not yet generally available, please see the list at VisualEditor/Rollouts.
 * Public office hours on IRC to discuss VisualEditor with Product Manager James Forrester will be held on Monday, 2 December, at 1900 UTC and on Tuesday, 3 December, at 0100 UTC. Bring your questions.  Logs will be posted on Meta after each office hour completes.
 * In terms of feature improvements, one of the major infrastructure projects affects how inserting characters works, both using your computer's built-in Unicode input systems and through a planned character inserter tool for VisualEditor. The forthcoming rich copying and pasting feature was extended and greater testing is currently being done.  Work continues to support the improved reference dialog to quickly add citations based on local templates.

gun control rfc
As you were involved in a previous discussion on this topic, I am notifying you of a new RFC on this topic. Talk:Gun_controlGaijin42 (talk) 16:31, 16 December 2013 (UTC)

The Bugle: Issue XCIII, December 2013
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WikiProject Bangladesh Premier League Talk Page Notice
Dear Prabash.A, A big hello from Wikiproject Bangladesh Premier League. We have a discussion going on at project's talkpage. Due to inactivity and problems this discussion is inactive for more than 1 months. Now we heartily request you to come and share your thinkings. Your arrival and thinking is much needed for us and we'll really appreciate it if you come and give us some of your precious times. Thanks in advance.  Pr at yya  (Hello!) (Project Co-ordinator) and Sourov0000 (talk) (Project Vice Co-ordinator) 12:10, 17 December 2013 (UTC)

VisualEditor newsletter • 19 December 2013
Since the last newsletter, the VisualEditor team has worked on some toolbar improvements, fixing bugs, and improving support for Indic languages as well as other languages with complex characters. The current focus is on improving the reference dialog and expanding the new character inserter tool.

There have been dozens of changes since the last newsletter. Here are some of the highlights:

Looking ahead: The transclusion dialog will see further changes in the coming weeks, with a simple mode for single templates and an advanced mode for more complex transclusions. The new character formatting menu on the toolbar will get an arrow to show that it is a drop-down menu. The reference dialog will be improved, and the Reference item will become a button in the main toolbar, rather than an item in the Insert menu.
 * Rich copying and pasting is now available. If you copy text from another website, then character formatting and some other HTML attributes are preserved.  This means, for example, that if you copy a pre-formatted suggested citation from a source like this, then VisualEditor will preserve the formatting of the title in the citation.  Keep in mind that copying the formatting may include formatting that you don't want (like section headings).  If you want to paste plain, unformatted text onto a page, then use Control or Command  (Mac).
 * Auto-numbered external links like can now be edited just like any other link.  However, they cannot be created in VisualEditor easily.
 * Several changes to the toolbar and dialogs have been made, and more are on the way. The toolbar has been simplified with a new drop-down text styles menu and an "insert" menu. Your feedback on the toolbar is wanted here.  The transclusion/template dialog has been simplified.  If you have enabled mathematical formula editing, then the menu item is now called the formula editor instead of LaTeX.
 * There is a new character inserter, which you can find in the new "insert" menu, with a capital Omega ("Ω"). It's a very basic set of characters.  Your feedback on the character inserter is wanted here.
 * Saving the page should seem faster by several seconds now.
 * It is now possible to access VisualEditor by manually editing the URL, even if you are not logged in or have not opted in to VisualEditor normally. To do so, append   to the end of the page name.  For example, change   to   to open a random page in VisualEditor.  This is intended to support bug testing across multiple browsers, without requiring editors to login repeatedly.

If you have questions or suggestions for future improvements, or if you encounter problems, please let everyone know by posting a note at VisualEditor/Feedback. Thank you! Whatamidoing (WMF) (talk) 20:35, 19 December 2013 (UTC)

WikiProject Bangladesh Premier League Talk Page Notice
Dear Prabash.A, we have a very important discussion going on project's talkpage. Please join there. You arrival and thinking will be very useful for the project and it's articles. Thanks in advance.  Pr at yya  (Hello!) (Project Co-ordinator) and Sourov0000 (talk) (Project Vice Co-ordinator) 07:45, 31 December 2013 (UTC) Sorry for messaging you this much. But we have an important discussion going on and it'll be very good if most of the project members come here and discuss. Thank you for understanding.

Happy New Year 2014!
<div style="border-style:solid; border-color:blue; background-color:white; font color:black; border-width:2px; text-align:left; padding:8px;" class="plainlinks"> Hello. Thanks a lot for being a part of the WikiProject Bangladesh Premier League family. We hope that you have passed this year with joy and happiness. In this moment of newness, we are wishing you a big big new year which will bring peace and prosperity to your life. Enjoy the day with your dear and near ones. Thanks a lot.  Pr at yya  (Hello!) (Project Co-ordinator) and Sourov0000 (talk) (Project Vice Co-ordinator) 17:59, 31 December 2013 (UTC)

WikiProject Bangladesh Premier League Article Improvement Program
<div style="border: 2px solid blue; background: #FFF; background-color:#F0F8FF; padding: 1ex 1ex 1ex 1.5ex; margin: 0px 0px 1em 1em; font-size: 99%"> Hello, Prabash.A: Hope you are having good times at Wikipedia. You'll be glad to know that WikiProject Bangladesh Premier League is holding a one month long Article Improvement Program!

The goal of this program is to improve the articles of WikiProject Bangladesh Premier League The drive is running from 15 January 2014 – 15 February 2014

Awards will be given out for all users participating in the drive in the form of barnstars and badges at the end of the drive.

There's a big amount of stub and broken articles, so start improving them. Visit the drive's page and help out! --MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 13:33, 13 January 2014 (UTC)

The Bugle: Issue XCIV, January 2014
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VisualEditor newsletter for Janaury 2014
Since the last newsletter, the VisualEditor team has worked mostly minor features and fixing bugs. A few significant bugs include working around a bug in CSSJanus that was wrongly flipping images used in some templates in right-to-left (RTL) environments (bug 50910) a major bug that meant inserting any template or other transclusion failed (bug 59002), a major but quickly resolved problem due to an unannounced change in MediaWiki core, which caused VisualEditor to crash on trying to save (bug 59867). This last bugs did not appear on any Wikipedia. Additionally, significant work has been done in the background to make VisualEditor work as an independent editing system.

As of today, VisualEditor is now available as an opt-out feature to all users at 149 active Wikipedias.


 * The character inserter tool in the "Insert" menu has a very basic set of characters. The character inserter is especially important for languages that use Latin and Cyrillic alphabets with unusual characters or frequent diacritics. Your feedback on the character inserter is requested. In addition to feedback from any interested editor, the developers would particularly like to hear from anyone who speaks any of the 50+ languages listed under Phase 5 at mw:VisualEditor/Rollouts, including Breton, Mongolian, Icelandic, Welsh, Afrikaans, Macedonian, and Azerbaijani.
 * meta:Office hours on IRC have been heavily attended recently. The next one will be held this coming Wednesday, 22 January at 23:00 UTC.
 * You can now edit some of the page settings in the "options" dialog –    and   as selection (forced on, forced off, or default setting; bugs 56866 and 56867) and   as a checkbox (bug 57166).
 * The automated browser tests were adjusted to speed them up and bind more correctly to list items in lists, and updated to a newer version of their ruby dependencies. You can monitor the automated browser tests' results (triggered every twelve hours) live on the server.
 * VisualEditor/User guide was updated recently to show some new and upcoming features.

Looking ahead: The character formatting menu on the toolbar will get a drop-down indicator next Thursday. The reference and media items will be the first two listed in the Insert menu. The help menu will get a page listing the keyboard shortcuts. Looking further out, image handling will be improved, including support for alignment (left, right, and center) and better control over image size (including default and upright sizes). The developers are also working on support for editing redirects and image galleries.

Subscriptions to this newsletter are managed at VisualEditor/Newsletter. Please add or remove your name to change your subscription settings. If you have questions or suggestions for future improvements, or if you encounter problems, please let everyone know by posting a note at VisualEditor/Feedback. Thank you! Whatamidoing (WMF) 20:00, 17 January 2014 (UTC)

CVUA
Hello, Prabash.A, I am very interested in helping to fight vandalism on Wikipedia, and feel I understand the basics of the encyclopedia enough to begin training at the Counter-Vandalism Unit Academy. You looked to be the best instructor for me, and if it's OK with you, I ask to be trained. Thank you for your time taken to consider this request. Have a nice night, --<font style="padding:1px 2px;background:#FF9933;border:1px solid"> ObiWan <font style="padding:1px 5px;background:black;"><font color="FF9900">Discuss  02:05, 22 January 2014 (UTC)
 * Hi ! I'm sorry I wasn't able to get back to you in time, I've been very busy over the past few months, so I don't think I would be a good CVUA instructor, might have to take my name off that list. I'm 100% sure that there is another instructor that will help you with more knowledge than me and will put a more considerable degree of effort to help you! Prabash.  Akmeemana   16:16, 29 January 2014 (UTC)

Hello
Heya Prabash! Wanted to ask that what was the template you used to congratulate me on getting Al-Khalid tank to GA Status? Here is the talk page archive link. Fai zan  12:33, 9 February 2014 (UTC)
 * The template said: "Al-Khalid tank is now a good article". Fai  zan  16:37, 10 February 2014 (UTC)
 * Sorry for the late reply! Ive been a bit busy in the past few weeks. It has been many months since I did my last GA review, due to past issues I havent really edited much and I cant really remember where I got it from. From what I can remember I borrowed the template from a friend but cant remember who.. Prabash.  Akmeemana   20:53, 15 February 2014 (UTC)
 * OK, no problem. Fai  zan  04:27, 16 February 2014 (UTC)

VisualEditor Newsletter—February 2014
Since the last newsletter, the VisualEditor team has worked on some small changes to the user interface, such as moving the reference item to the top of the Insert menu, as well as some minor features and fixing bugs, especially for rich copying and pasting of references.

The biggest change was the addition of more features to the image dialog, including the ability to set alignment (left, right, center), framing options (thumbnail, frame, frameless, and none), adding alt text, and defining the size manually. There is still some work to be done here, including a quick way to set the default size.


 * The main priority is redesigning the reference dialog, with the goal of providing autofill features for ISBNs and URLs and streamlining the process. Current concept drawings are available at VisualEditor/Design/Reference Dialog. Please share your ideas about making referencing quick and easy with the designers.
 * A few bugs in the existing reference dialog were fixed. The toolbar was simplified to remove galleries and lists from the reference dialog.  When you re-use references, it now correctly displays the references again, rather than just the number and name.  If you paste content into a dialog that can't fit there (e.g.   in references), it now strips out the inappropriate HTML.
 * You can now edit image galleries inside VisualEditor. At this time, the gallery tool is a very limited option that gives you access to the wikitext.  It will see significant improvements at a later date.
 * The character inserter tool in the "Insert" menu is being redesigned. Your feedback on the special character inserter is still wanted, especially if you depend on Wikipedia's character inserters for your normal editing rather than using the ones built into your computer.
 * You can now see a help page about keyboard shortcuts in the page menu (three bars next to the Cancel button).
 * If you edit categories, your changes will now display correctly after saving the page.
 * Saving the page should be faster now.
 * Any community can ask to test a new tool to edit TemplateData by leaving a note at.

Looking ahead: The link tool will tell you when you're linking to a disambiguation or redirect page. The warning about wikitext will hide itself after you remove the wikitext markup in that paragraph. Support for creating and editing redirects is in the pipeline. Looking further out, image handling will be improved, including default and upright sizes. The developers are also working on support for viewing and editing hidden HTML comments, some behavioral magic words like DISPLAYTITLE, and in-line language setting.

If you have questions or suggestions for future improvements, or if you encounter problems, please let everyone know by posting a note at VisualEditor/Feedback. Thank you! Whatamidoing (WMF) 04:21, 20 February 2014 (UTC)

The Bugle: Issue XCV, February 2014
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VisualEditor newsletter—March 2014
Since the last newsletter, the VisualEditor team has mostly worked on changes to the template and image dialogs.

The biggest change in the last few weeks was the redesign of the template dialog. The template dialog now opens in a simplified mode that lists parameters and their descriptions. (The complex multi-item transclusion mode can be reached by clicking on "Show options" from inside the simplified template dialog.) Template parameters now have a bigger, auto-sizing input box for easier editing. With today's update, searching for template parameters will become case-insensitive, and required template parameters will display an asterisk (*) next to their edit boxes. In addition to making it quicker and easier to see everything when you edit typical templates, this work was necessary to prepare for the forthcoming simplified citation dialog. The main priority in the coming weeks is building this new citation dialog, with the ultimate goal of providing autofill features for ISBNs, URLs, DOIs and other quick-fills. This will add a new button on the toolbar, with the citation templates available picked by each wiki's community. Concept drawings can be seen at VisualEditor/Design/Reference Dialog. Please share your ideas about making referencing quick and easy with the designers.


 * The link tool now tells you when you're linking to a disambiguation or redirect page. Pages that exist, but are not indexed by the search engine, are treated like non-existent pages.
 * Wikitext warnings will now hide when you remove wikitext from the paragraph you are editing.
 * The character inserter tool in the "Insert" menu has been slightly redesigned, to introduce larger buttons. Your suggestions for more significant changes to the special character inserter are still wanted.
 * The page options menu (three bars, next to the Cancel button) has expanded. You can create and edit redirect pages, set page options like ,   and   , and more.  New keyboard shortcuts are listed there, and include undoing the last action, clearing formatting, and showing the shortcut help window.  If you switch from VisualEditor to wikitext editing, your edit will now be tagged.
 * It is easier to edit images. There are more options and they are explained better.  If you add new images to pages, they will also be default size.  You can now set image sizes to the default, if another size was previously specified. Full support for upright sizing systems, which more readily adapt image sizes to the reader's screen size, is planned.
 * VisualEditor adds fake blank lines so you can put your cursor there. These "slugs" are now smaller than normal blank lines, and are animated to be different from actual blank lines.
 * You can use the Ctrl or Command shortcuts to open the save window, and you can preview your edit summary when checking your changes in the save window.
 * After community requests, VisualEditor has been deployed to the Interlingual Occidental Wikipedia, the Portuguese Wikibooks, and the French Wikiversity.
 * Any community can ask for custom icons for their language in the character formatting menu (bold, italic, etc.) by making a request on Bugzilla or by contacting Product Manager James Forrester.

The developers apologize for a regression bug with the deployment on 6 March 2014, which caused the incorrect removal of  size definitions on a handful of pages on the English Wikipedia, among others. The root cause was fixed, and the broken pages were fixed soon after.

Looking ahead: Several template dialogs will become more compact. Looking further out, the developers are also working on support for viewing and editing hidden HTML comments. You will be able to see the Table of Contents change live as you edit the page, rather than it being hidden. In-line language setting may be offered to a few Wikipedias soon.

If you have questions or suggestions for future improvements, or if you encounter problems, please let everyone know by posting a note at VisualEditor/Feedback or by joining the office hours on 19 April 2014 at 2000 UTC. Thank you! MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 22:44, 20 March 2014 (UTC)

The Bugle: Issue XCVI, March 2014
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The Bugle: Issue XCVII, April 2014
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VisualEditor newsletter—April 2014
Since the last newsletter, the VisualEditor team has mostly worked on performance improvements, image settings, and preparation for a simplified citation template tool in its own menu.


 * In an oft-requested improvement, VisualEditor now displays red links (links to non-existent pages) in the proper color. Links to sister projects and external URLs are still the same blue as local links.
 * You can now open templates by double-clicking them or by selecting them and pressing Return.  This also works for references, images, galleries, mathematical equations, and other "nodes".
 * VisualEditor has been disabled for pages that were created as translations of other pages using the Translate extension (common at Meta and MediaWiki.org). If a page has been marked for translation, you will see a warning if you try to edit it using VisualEditor.
 * When you try to edit protected pages with VisualEditor, the full protection notice and most recent log entry are displayed. Blocked users see the standard message for blocked users.
 * The developers fixed a bug that caused links on sub-pages to point to the wrong location.
 * The size-changing controls in the advanced settings section of the media or image dialog were simplified further. VisualEditor's media dialog supports more image display styles, like borderless images.
 * If there is not enough space on your screen to display all of the tabs (for instance, if your browser window is too narrow), the second edit tab will now fold into the drop-down menu (where the "" item is currently housed). On the English Wikipedia, this moves the "Edit beta" tab into the menu; on most projects, it moves the "" tab. This is only enabled in the default Vector skin, not for Monobook users. See this image for an example showing the "" and "" tabs after they moved into the drop-down menu.
 * After community requests, VisualEditor has been deployed as an opt-in feature at Meta and on the French Wikinews.

Looking ahead: A new, locally controlled menu of citation templates will put citations immediately in front of users. You will soon be able to see the Table of Contents while editing. Support for upright image sizes (preferred for accessibility) is being developed. In-line language setting will be offered as a Beta Feature soon. Looking further out, the developers are also working on support for viewing and editing hidden HTML comments. It will be possible to upload images to Commons from inside VisualEditor.

If you have questions or suggestions for future improvements, or if you encounter problems, please let everyone know by posting a note at VisualEditor/Feedback or by joining the office hours on Monday, 19 May 2014 at 18:00 UTC. If you'd like to get this on your own page, subscribe at VisualEditor for English Wikipedia only or at meta:VisualEditor/Newsletter for any project. Thank you! Whatamidoing (WMF) (talk) 20:23, 23 April 2014 (UTC)

Notice of RfC and request for participation
There is an RfC in which your participation would be greatly appreciated: Thank you. --Lightbreather (talk) 15:50, 25 April 2014 (UTC)
 * Talk:Gun_control