User talk:Alzarian16/Archive 3

Replica Titanic article
Thank you for keeping the Replica Titanic article. Is there a way to make the article RMS Olympic III better? Greetings, Peekarica (talk) 14:26, 5 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Thanks. (It could still be deleted if the community at large decides it should be by the way.)
 * RMS Olympic III is a little more difficult to justify. The relevant guideline is WP:GNG - basically, it needs to have been the subject of at least two reliable sources independent of the topic. Of the three in the article, two seem to be connected to the topic and the third might not be considered reliable under WP:RS, so they wouldn't be enough. Googling various different search terms doesn't seeem to give very much either. So if you can find a few decent sources, it has a chance, but otherwise it should probably be deleted. Alzarian16 (talk) 14:39, 5 December 2010 (UTC)

Talk:Tillingbourne Bus Company/GA1
A GA review has started on Tillingbourne Bus Company. The article is in the early stages of being created, and there are gaps in detail and information, and the prose does not yet flow. However, the review is on hold for seven days to see if contributors are able to further develop the article to meet GA criteria.  SilkTork  *YES! 01:21, 15 December 2010 (UTC)
 * OK, thanks. I'll see what I can do. Alzarian16 (talk) 19:27, 15 December 2010 (UTC)

Tis the season


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 * Ooh, neat. Thanks, appreciate it. Alzarian16 (talk) 19:28, 15 December 2010 (UTC)

Nomination for deletion of Template:Expand
Template:Expand has been nominated for deletion. You are invited to comment on the discussion at the template's entry on the Templates for discussion page. Thank you. 134.253.26.6 (talk) 22:57, 16 December 2010 (UTC)

Thanks!

 * Thanks. Great design by the way! Alzarian16 (talk) 16:01, 22 December 2010 (UTC)

Happy Birthday :)
Hi Stephen/Alzarian. I just came to wish you Happy Birthday, Merry Christmas and Good New Year. May all your wishes come true :) Antonín Vejvančický (talk | contribs) 07:57, 23 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Everyone's being so nice to me lately, it makes me think I must be doing something wrong :) Seriously, thank you! I'll have to think of some wishes now... Alzarian16 (talk) 21:35, 24 December 2010 (UTC)

skyline 199 move
i have now moved all content from this page and the other derbyshire bus routes to a page called Important bus routes in Derbyshire, so they can be found there in a list instead of having seperate articles.RCSprinter123 (talk) 22:12, 26 December 2010 (UTC)

WikiCup
Please consider signing up for the 2011 WikiCup; WP:WikiCup/2011 signups. Best to just sign up before January 1st, then drop out if it is not to your liking, because there are no late sign-ups allowed. Abductive (reasoning) 05:36, 30 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Wonder how I've managed not to notice that before... go on then. Don't expect anything spectacular though. Thanks for the note! Alzarian16 (talk) 19:55, 30 December 2010 (UTC)

Proposed deletion of Dorset Sprinter


The article Dorset Sprinter has been proposed for deletion&#32; because of the following concern:
 * Article about a non-notable bus operator referenced with only local sources. Does not pass WP:COMPANY.

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 * As you will probably have noticed, I have removed the PROD. Aside the from editor who tagged the article only having a handful of edits, I think we can address the concerns anyway, as non-local sources should be available (Buses mag etc), and they're notable for their contribution to the ongoing Ringwood - Southampton service saga, which of course they've withdrawn from now (the last day was yesterday!). Also, they've gone in front of the traffic commissioner, so I think there's enough. Arriva436talk/contribs 16:22, 1 January 2011 (UTC)

Welcome to the 2011 WikiCup!
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Well done
 SilkTork  *YES! 14:06, 5 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Thank you! Alzarian16 (talk) 10:16, 6 January 2011 (UTC)

Nomination of Dorset Sprinter for deletion
The article Dorset Sprinter is being discussed concerning whether it is suitable for inclusion as an article according to Wikipedia's policies and guidelines or whether it should be deleted.

The article will be discussed at Articles for deletion/Dorset Sprinter until a consensus is reached, and anyone is welcome to contribute to the discussion. The nomination will explain the policies and guidelines which are of concern. The discussion focuses on good quality evidence, and our policies and guidelines.

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 * Well, it's gone. Frankly I couldn't be bothered to argue because it was doomed to fail. There was no chance they'd let us add more sources now. If we do eventually get more sources then do you think we could recreated? I've moved the content to User:Arriva436/Sandbox3 just in case. Unfortunately the possible sources on the talk page have been deleted as the closing admin didn't think we might want them which was nice... Arriva436talk/contribs</b> 19:34, 18 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Well, lack of independent sources was the main concern, so one or two new ones could do enough, or at the very least avoid falling under WP:G4. I'm not entirely convinced by that AfD close, since every single one of the keep !votes - even the IP - actually mentioned a relevant guideline, but my experience at Deletion Review suggests it would never be overturned. More sources for a possible recreation some time in the future looks like the way to go. Alzarian16 (talk) 14:06, 20 January 2011 (UTC)

List of bus routes in Cambridge
Hi there, I'm still completing it and going to try to make it better than the Cambridgeshire one. I was taking a break for a while, because I have been foing several pages of this type. If you want, I'll try and speed up making it. &#39;&#39;&#39;Adam mugliston&#39;&#39;&#39; (talk) 17:56, 17 January 2011 (UTC)


 * Hi again, I just finished the List of bus routes in Cambridge. I am planning on making a Peterborough one too, to possibly replace the, as you mentioned horribly written, Cambridgeshire one.
 * Mmm, not bad. It's strange how there seems to be no clear consensus on what size of area to cover in a route list - most cover entire counties, but some individual towns and cities have them as well, and at the other extreme we have List of bus routes in Scotland... Alzarian16 (talk) 14:02, 20 January 2011 (UTC)


 * I've been looking at some of the route lists. I think counties are best, as they are all roughly the same size, and they fit together well. Some lists, like List of bus routes in Surrey, are excellent. <span style="font-family:Zapfino, Segoe Script;"><b style="color:#FF0000;">Arriva436</b><sup style="color:#800080;><b style="color:#800080;">talk</b>/<b style="color:#800080;">contribs</b> 16:41, 20 January 2011 (UTC)
 * In general, yes, but what about extremely large or small counties? List of bus routes in Rutland would be an interesting one. City-specific lists have survived AfD before. Then there's the tricky case where counties have been split up. I'd quite like to get rid of List of bus routes in Slough, but it's technically a county in its own right, even though a List of bus routes in Berkshire would be more useful. Alzarian16 (talk) 17:21, 20 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Ah, apparently we use ceremonial counties, so a List of bus routes in Berkshire would be the right approach. We should probably move List of bus routes in Slough there and expand it up to cover the whole county. Anyone fancy helping me with that? Alzarian16 (talk) 22:25, 23 January 2011 (UTC)

Bucks Free Press
Hello there, reports in the Bucks Free Press are often biased and incorrect in my opinion. Check the number of times they have to print apologies for printing the wrong information. This is why I edited it. I have also slightly altered the description of the company as the number of routes were wrong and it was not described as an independent company.
 * Hiya. This probably would have been better placed on my talk page, but since we're here we may as well carry on. You might well be right about the Bucks Free Press. Trouble is, they're about the only source other than industry-specific magazines that's really talked about Carousel in any detail. If we took out all the content based on what they say - and bear in mind that every other piece they've written about the compant is largely positive - the article would be very short, and might even be considered for deletion as not notable enough. The guide we use for deciding if a source is reliable is Identifying reliable sources, which the paper would appear to meet for the most part. What we really want is another reliiable source to say that they were wrong... if you can find one, let me know!
 * The changes to the description were good. It's strange that the company's website doesn't list all the routes they operate, which I suppose is why the number was wrong. But your version works better anyway, so we'll stick with that. Happy editing! Alzarian16 (talk) 18:53, 21 January 2011 (UTC)

UKRail
Thanks for fixing that. Whoops! Simply south...... 20:28, 27 January 2011 (UTC)
 * No trouble. Amazing what one change to a symbol can do... Alzarian16 (talk) 20:31, 27 January 2011 (UTC)

WikiCup 2011 January newsletter
We are half way through round one of the WikiCup. Signups are now closed, and we have 129 listed competitors, 64 of whom will make it to round two. Congratulations to, who, at the time of writing, has a comfortable lead with 228 points, followed by , with 144 points. Four others have over 100 points. Congratulations also go to, who scored the first points in the competition, claiming for Talk:Hurricane King/GA1, , who scored the first non-review points in the competition, claiming for Dognapping, and who was the first in the competition to use our new "multiplier" mechanic (explanation), claiming for Grigory Potemkin, a subject covered on numerous Wikipedias. Thanks must also go to Jarry1250 for dealing with all bot work- without you, the competition wouldn't be happening!

A running total of claims can be seen here. However, numerous competitors are yet to score at all- please remember to submit content soon after it is promoted, so that the judges are able to review entries. The number of points that will be needed to reach round two is not clear- everyone needs to get their entries in now to guarantee their places! If you are concerned that your nomination will not receive the necessary reviews, and you hope to get it promoted before the end of the round, please list it on WikiCup/Reviews. However, please remember to continue to offer reviews at GAC, FAC and all the other pages that require them to prevent any backlogs which could otherwise be caused by the Cup. As ever, questions are welcome on Wikipedia talk:WikiCup and the judges are reachable on their talk pages, or by email. Good luck! If you wish to start receiving or stop receiving this newsletter, please feel free to add or remove yourself from WikiCup/Newsletter/Send. J Milburn and The ed17 22:25, 31 January 2011 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Black Rock Ranger
Congrats on providing probably the only useful comment there. Tell me - is there any chance we can clone you and slowly replace all the AfD commenting people with little Pod Alazarians? It would make my job a lot easier. Ironholds (talk) 19:01, 2 February 2011 (UTC)
 * I'm always open to reasonable offers, although at about three AfD edits per day it would take 30 of me to cover everything. As far as I know there's no policy against it - no mention of clones in WP:SOCK, and WP:CLONE points somewhere different. Probably best to wait till mistfall though... Alzarian16 (talk) 10:43, 3 February 2011 (UTC)

DYK for Silver Star Holidays
— HJ Mitchell &#124;  Penny for your thoughts?   18:04, 5 February 2011 (UTC)

Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents
There is a thread at WP:ANI concerning you. Nev1 (talk) 13:25, 11 February 2011 (UTC)
 * OK, thanks for the note. I'll add a comment as soon as I think of something useful to say. Alzarian16 (talk) 13:30, 11 February 2011 (UTC)

I think I've worked out where the problem is... look at his userpage, particularly the age box. AD 13:45, 12 February 2011 (UTC)
 * Ah, that might explain it. Strange though - his style of communicating didn't suggest someone that young. Alzarian16 (talk) 15:53, 13 February 2011 (UTC)

WikiCup 2011 February newsletter
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No, I'm not
Well, you're right. It just popped into my head, actually. Herostratus (talk) 17:39, 18 March 2011 (UTC)

WikiCup 2011 March newsletter
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Nomination of Ordsall Chord for deletion
A discussion is taking place as to whether the article Ordsall Chord is suitable for inclusion in Wikipedia according to Wikipedia's policies and guidelines or whether it should be deleted.

The article will be discussed at Articles for deletion/Ordsall Chord until a consensus is reached, and anyone is welcome to contribute to the discussion. The nomination will explain the policies and guidelines which are of concern. The discussion focuses on good quality evidence, and our policies and guidelines.

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Arriva Southern Counties
Ah good, you're back. As you might have noticed, someone has moved Arriva Southern Counties to Arriva South East and made a number of other changes. This is because Arriva have merged the "Shires & Essex" and "Southern Counties" sections of their website into a new "South East" region, apparently to make it less confusing (except now I'm getting loads of irrelevant details about the St Albans service changes and the M1 closure...!)

Anyway, I don't think the actual company subsidiaries have been merged, so the article shouldn't have been moved IMO. Additionally, Arriva Shires & Essex has been left alone. I was wondering how to go about rectifying this...? <span style="font-family:Zapfino, Segoe Script;"><b style="color:#FF0000;">Arriva436</b><sup style="color:#800080;><b style="color:#800080;">talk</b>/<b style="color:#800080;">contribs</b> 14:59, 19 April 2011 (UTC)
 * Yikes. What we've ended up with is an article covering half the information it claims to and the rest of the information somewhere completely different, with three times the number of navboxes it needs. (And, as an aside, it makes the redirect from Arriva Kent & Sussex look even stranger.) At present we have no evidence that any legal entities or trading names are changing, so the change seems to have little justification. A one-sentence mention in each article that the websites were merged should suffice. I would suggest having a word with Jac16668, who performed the move (and a history merge) as a result of someone else's cut and paste move. If that fails, a move request on the talk page might be helpful.
 * Perhaps this would all have been avoided if London Country and Maidstone & District had been left as single companies in 1986. Breaking them up looks like a waste of time now... Alzarian16 (talk) 15:23, 19 April 2011 (UTC)


 * Sorry for the wait. I've had a look and I think Jac16888 is just an admin trying to help Davey. Before asking him to move it back, I have messaged Davey to ask their opinion of the matter. Hopefully they'll understand because I do think the companies are still separate, certainly no legal lettering has changed etc. We'll see what they say, then hopefully get Jac16888 to move it back. If not, then I'll start a discussion on the talk page. <span style="font-family:Zapfino, Segoe Script;"><b style="color:#FF0000;">Arriva436</b><sup style="color:#800080;><b style="color:#800080;">talk</b>/<b style="color:#800080;">contribs</b> 13:09, 21 April 2011 (UTC)


 * The other thing is, Davey has uploaded a non-free image of one of the B7TLs in the original 700/701 route branding, with a fair use rationale. You don't have an image yourself per chance do you, so we can swap the non-free image one with the freely licenced one? <span style="font-family:Zapfino, Segoe Script;"><b style="color:#FF0000;">Arriva436</b><sup style="color:#800080;><b style="color:#800080;">talk</b>/<b style="color:#800080;">contribs</b> 13:17, 21 April 2011 (UTC)
 * Ye-es, but it's a rather poor one - a nearside on a corner in Bluewater the same day I took this. The original print looks OK, but it scans really badly. The branding's also slightly different (three orange diamonds with numbers in where Expressline is on the other version). I'll upload it anyway if we can't find anything else. Sadly the one Davey uploaded falls one symbol short of being available for use on Commons, and searching for "Arriva B7TL" within Commons-licensed images only gives stuff from Merseyside and London. Is anyone else active in the area? Alzarian16 (talk) 13:44, 21 April 2011 (UTC)


 * The whole page move problem is solved now which is good. I've only got photos of the newest version of the branding done in 2009/2010, which I'll get round to uploading (eventually!) in due course. I still haven't found anything older yet, and I don't know of anyone active in the area (besides Davey). I can't really ask any Wikipedians there either as they'll only be able to get recent photos (I can't imagine any will happen to have old photos). The only Medway Towns photos so far are a bunch of the B7TLs I came across in Weybridge of all places!! Commons:Category:Arriva Medway Towns. But these aren't don't really show what they usually get up to. So maybe you should upload your photo!! <span style="font-family:Zapfino, Segoe Script;"><b style="color:#FF0000;">Arriva436</b><sup style="color:#800080;><b style="color:#800080;">talk</b>/<b style="color:#800080;">contribs</b> 11:32, 24 April 2011 (UTC)
 * Well, here goes: File:AMT GN04UEM.jpg (saved under an inaccurate name because I hit upload by accident, but I've tagged it for renaming). Colour wrong, sun and shadow problems, blurred so neither registration nor fleet number is readable... but usable if we really need it. By the way, did you forget about this image of a Medway Towns bus actually working for them? It might be a better choice - certainly sharper and the colour looks good, although admittedly unusual in character. Alzarian16 (talk) 02:31, 25 April 2011 (UTC)

Ooh excellent. I really don't think it's that bad, look at the positives, aside from the shadow the sun's in the right place, the angle is really good, you can see the route branding well, the LEDs came out and I've got a photo of 6443 which will be good for comparison! (Interestingly it now carries Medway Mainline branding rather than the Expressline 700/701 Bluewater routes branding.) I don't think it's blurred either, just the sunlight has overwhelmed the details. Thanks for uploading it, I like it anyway and it's really good to have a photo from back then rather than just recent ones.

I uploaded the Enviro pic after the reply above. I was checking Geograph for Volvo pictures, and came across that as the only decent, recent bus photo. I'm really pleased I did though as it's 4045 which moved to Guildford just two weeks ago (Arriva taking on work Countryliner had to give up conveniently timed with Gillingham's service cuts!) and it is good to have a photo of it in its home area. Also, do you think there is scope to have seperate articles for the various divisions, like Arriva Guildford & West Surrey? It would only be Kent & Sussex and Medway Towns that need new articles, though Kent Thameside could do with a bit of expanding. <span style="font-family:Zapfino, Segoe Script;"><b style="color:#FF0000;">Arriva436</b><sup style="color:#800080;><b style="color:#800080;">talk</b>/<b style="color:#800080;">contribs</b> 08:49, 25 April 2011 (UTC)
 * Perhaps I was being a bit harsh. If so, it's mostly because the print looked much better. I might have a go at scanning off the negative using my dad's new high-powered thing if he lets me. I could also upload more recent better images of Chatham-area stuff (including some of the large numbers of Citybuses they still run) if these would help.
 * I would like to see separate articles for the remaining divisions in the future, in particular Kent & Sussex (the largest division and well covered by sources), subject to them each having enough references to justify it. There are probably more important gaps (McGill's Bus Services, the largest independent in Scotland, and Express Motors, an important large operator in North Wales, spring to mind) that should be filled first though. If might be an idea to improve the existing ones up to the level that Arriva Southend has got to before we create any more, or perhaps this should come later. Alzarian16 (talk) 12:28, 25 April 2011 (UTC)


 * Ooops, sorry, I completely forgot to reply to this. Sorry but I'm so busy at the moment I only really have time to make fleeting visits! New Chatham stuff would be good, I have been (in April 2010) and will eventually get round to uploading the photos hopefully, but I only got one or two of the Citybuses. I didn't really get much non-Arriva either, and the ex-Fastrack B7RLEs escaped the lens despite me seeing them! Oh yes, and anything of 4044/5 would be good ;)


 * OK, I'll try and do something about the Southern Counties subdivisions in the future. The operators you give are very good ones to have articles about I think. I have been expanding the article on Countryliner but haven't got time to finish the recent history yet. Then I've got the expand the early history, that will prove difficult I think! <span style="font-family:Zapfino, Segoe Script;"><b style="color:#FF0000;">Arriva436</b><sup style="color:#800080;><b style="color:#800080;">talk</b>/<b style="color:#800080;">contribs</b> 19:25, 11 May 2011 (UTC)

360 (rapper)
G'day,

You removed the tag for deletion from this article saying that it had references, which is true. The problem is the reliability of those references. The BLPPROD template probably needs some wording cleaned up (because the first sentence, as you say, says that there's no references... when... there... are...), but:

<blockquote style="border: dashed #666666 1px; background-color: #CCCCCC; color: #000000;">(All biographies of living people created after March 18, 2010, must have at least one reliable source.)

...

Once the article has at least one reliable source, you may remove this tag. Please do not remove this tag unless the article has at least one such source. (emph. as is)

I did mention my concerns in my edit summary. Briefly, they are reliable sources, significant coverage, promotion and self published sources.

So, yeah. The problem remains in regards to the referencing. If you can help, fantastic, but I don't think that notability can be satisfied here. I've undone your removal of the tag until reliable sources can be found in accordance with WP:BLP-PROD. Cheers. - danjel  (talk to me) 17:52, 25 April 2011 (UTC)
 * This is why I dislike that particular process. I would interpret this as significant, not promotional and not self-published, and on the face of it reliable, but it's a matter of interpretation. If I'm reading the policy page correctly, my removal of the tag might well have been wrong, but your insertion of it was also wrong (WP:BLP-PROD). We really need to clear up the ambiguity some time, but consensus is never quite there. Fortunately this particular issue seems to have been sorted by the page's creator adding some genuinely reliable sources, although I wouldn't oppose an AfD on notability grounds. Alzarian16 (talk) 12:26, 26 April 2011 (UTC)


 * My reading of the nomination process suggests that I was in the right here. I think that an interview conducted on "social media" certainly doesn't count as reliable. But whatever.


 * You're right that the BLP-PROD process needs to be reworked. I've suggested rewording that part of the tag that you and I had issues with (no references vs. no good references), and someone has raised the issue before. I'll wait a couple of days to see if anyone else chimes in.


 * I'm not interested enough to AfD it. I'm not a good enough judge on notability being that I have little interest (I only came across the article because it was added to a school article, and schools always have "notable" alumni added to them that need to be followed up a little). There's a reliable source and seems OK, so I'm fine. If you want to, you're welcome. Until then, see you around. - danjel  (talk to me) 14:12, 27 April 2011 (UTC)

Steamin' and Dreamin'
Hello! Following its recent nomination in MfD, I reviewed the case of this page, which you previously discussed in AfDs, and found a comment from you: "I want to see this kept as I believe the coverage justifies its inclusion, but without eveidence of the sources other keep votes will be difficult to come by". As you may remember I had trouble locating scans of the sources, but managed to do so a number of months later, even though I never did get around to re-opening the case. The new MfD has reminded me of this and I just thought you might like to weigh in on whether I should even bother making a case for it anymore. I'm not particularly motivated either way myself. Thanks! Baron Ronan Doyle (Sprechen mit mir) 11:01, 26 April 2011 (UTC)
 * Ooh, I'd almost forgotten about this. I'll comment there; thanks for the note. Alzarian16 (talk) 11:37, 27 April 2011 (UTC)

WikiCup 2011 April newsletter
Round 2 of the 2011 WikiCup is over, and the new round will begin on 1 May. Note that any points scored in the interim (that is, for content promoted or reviews completed on 29-30 April) can be claimed in the next round, but please do not start updating your submissions' pages until the next round has begun. Fewer than a quarter of our original contestants remain; 32 enter round 3, and, in two months' time, only 16 will progress to our penultimate round. , who led Pool F, was our round champion, with 411 points, while 7 contestants scored between 200 and 300 points. At the other end of the scale, a score of 41 was high enough to reach round 3; more than five times the score required to reach round 2, and competition will no doubt become tighter now we're approaching the later rounds. Those progressing to round 3 were spread fairly evenly across the pools; 4 progressed from each of pools A, B, E and H, while 3 progressed from both pools C and F. Pools D and G were the most successful; each had 5 contestants advancing.

This round saw our first good topic points this year; congratulations to and  who also led pool H and pool B respectively. However, there remain content types for which no points have yet been scored; featured sounds, featured portals and featured topics. In addition to prizes for leaderboard positions, the WikiCup awards other prizes; for instance, last year, a prize was awarded to (who has been eliminated) for his work on In The News. For this reason, working on more unusual content could be even more rewarding than usual!

Sorry this newsletter is going out a little earlier than expected- there is a busy weekend coming up! A running total of claims can be seen here. If you are concerned that your nomination will not receive the necessary reviews, and you hope to get it promoted before the end of the round, please list it on WikiCup/Reviews. However, please remember to continue to offer reviews at GAC, FAC and all the other pages that require them to prevent any backlogs which could otherwise be caused by the Cup. As ever, questions are welcome on Wikipedia talk:WikiCup and the judges are reachable on their talk pages, or by email. Good luck! If you wish to start receiving or stop receiving this newsletter, please feel free to add or remove yourself from WikiCup/Newsletter/Send. J Milburn and The ed17 19:06, 29 April 2011 (UTC)

Junction on ECML
Use this:

It's a bit longer that the one you're using but width is more important IMO particularly in a long article like ECML. It's BS5 and should cut and paste into your diagram, just ask if you have a problem. Try not to use the "one cell" icon, they are too small to see without a magnifying glass. Britmax (talk) 14:08, 11 May 2011 (UTC)
 * I think you put this on the wrong talk page... you want User talk:Mjroots methinks (one comment above mine on the project talk page). Alzarian16 (talk) 14:13, 11 May 2011 (UTC)

Thanks, I'll try there. Shouldn't look up dense lines of print just after doing these things. Britmax (talk) 14:18, 11 May 2011 (UTC)

DYK for Cambusbarron
The DYK project (nominate) 08:02, 24 May 2011 (UTC)

WikiCup 2011 May newsletter
We're half way through round 3 of the 2011 WikiCup. There are currently 32 remaining in the competition, but only 16 will progress to our penultimate round. , of pool D, is our overall leader with nearly 200 points, while pools A, B and C are led by, and  respectively. The score required to reach the next round is 35, though this will no doubt go up significantly as the round progresses. We have a good number of high scorers, but also a considerable number who are yet to score. Please remember to submit content soon after it is promoted, so that the judges are able to review entries. Also, an important note concerning nominations at featured article candidates: if you are nominating content for which you intend to claim WikiCup points, please make this clear in the nomination statement so that the FAC director and his delegates are aware of the fact.

A running total of claims can be seen here. If you are concerned that your nomination will not receive the necessary reviews, and you hope to get it promoted before the end of the round, please list it on WikiCup/Reviews. However, please remember to continue to offer reviews at GAC, FAC and all the other pages that require them to prevent any backlogs which could otherwise be caused by the Cup. As ever, questions are welcome on Wikipedia talk:WikiCup and the judges are reachable on their talk pages, or by email. Good luck! If you wish to start receiving or stop receiving this newsletter, please feel free to add or remove yourself from WikiCup/Newsletter/Send. J Milburn and The ed17 23:21, 31 May 2011 (UTC)