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Great American Wiknic for Portland in June
I would like to invite you and fellow Portlanders to join the Great American Wiknic 2012 this June (Meetup/Portland/Wiknic ?) :) Also, please add any preliminary details to Wiknic.--Pharos (talk) 17:58, 10 May 2012 (UTC)

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Nomination for deletion of Template:A Fine Frenzy
Template:A Fine Frenzy has been nominated for deletion. You are invited to comment on the discussion at the template's entry on the Templates for discussion page. —Justin ( koavf ) ❤T☮C☺M☯ 03:03, 16 May 2012 (UTC)


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Your GA nomination of David Hattner
The article David Hattner you nominated as a good article has passed ; see Talk:David Hattner for comments about the article. Well done! There is a backlog of articles waiting for review, why not help out and review a nominated article yourself? GoP T C N 15:03, 16 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Thanks! Much appreciated! -- Another Believer ( Talk ) 15:04, 16 May 2012 (UTC)

License tagging for File:Sia, Best Of album cover.jpg
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WikiCup 2012 May newsletter
We're halfway through round 3 (or the quarter finals, if you prefer) and things are running smoothly. We're seeing very high scoring; as of the time of writing, the top 16 all have over 90 points. This has already proved to be more competative than this time last year- in 2011, 76 points secured a place, while in 2010, a massive 250 was the lowest qualifying score. People have also upped their game slightly from last round, which is to be expected as we approach the end of the competition. Leading Pool A is, whose points have mostly come from a large number of did you knows on marine biology. Pool B's leader,, is for the first time not our highest scorer at the time of newsletter publication, but his good articles on The X-Files and Millenium keep him in second place overall. leads Pool C, our quietest pool, with content in a variety of areas on a variety of topics. Pool D is led by, our current overall leader. Nearly half of Casliber's points come from his triple-scored Western Jackdaw, which is now a featured article.

This round has seen an unusually high number of featured lists, with nearly one in five remaining participants claiming one, and one user,, claiming two. Miyagawa's featured list, 1936 Summer Olympics medal table, was even awarded double points. By comparison, good article reviews seem to be playing a smaller part, and featured topics portals remain two content-types still unutilised in this competition. Other than that, there isn't much to say! Things are coming along smoothly. As ever, if you are concerned that your nomination—whether it is at good article candidates, a featured process, or anywhere else—will not receive the necessary reviews, please list it on WikiCup/Reviews. Questions are welcome on Wikipedia talk:WikiCup, and the judges are reachable on their talk pages or by email. Good luck! If you wish to start or stop receiving this newsletter, please feel free to add or remove yourself from WikiCup/Newsletter/Send. J Milburn (talk • email) and The ed17 (talk • email) 23:22, 31 May 2012 (UTC)

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Your GA nomination of Kvinneakt
The article Kvinneakt you nominated as a good article has passed ; see Talk:Kvinneakt for comments about the article. Well done! There is a backlog of articles waiting for review, why not help out and review a nominated article yourself? GoP T C N 18:34, 8 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Thanks so much! -- Another Believer ( Talk ) 18:44, 8 June 2012 (UTC)

Horse rings
Hi A.B. I had an eye surgery last Wednesday, and my vision will be impaired to some degree through at least mid-July. I can see fine with the other eye, so it's possible for me to read things and write short things like this note. On the other hand, it's not much fun to edit with one eye focused while the other is unfocused. I'm going to continue to be relatively inactive on Wikipedia until at least the middle of next month. Congrats on the two GAs, and good luck with the horse rings. I'll take a close look at the horse rings article several weeks hence, if you like. Finetooth (talk) 16:51, 11 June 2012 (UTC)

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Orphaned non-free media (File:John Patitucci Another World cover.jpg)
Thanks for uploading File:John Patitucci Another World cover.jpg. The media description page currently specifies that it is non-free and may only be used on Wikipedia under a claim of fair use. However, it is currently orphaned, meaning that it is not used in any articles on Wikipedia. If the media was previously in an article, please go to the article and see why it was removed. You may add it back if you think that that will be useful. However, please note that media for which a replacement could be created are not acceptable for use on Wikipedia (see our policy for non-free media).

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Talk:Best Of... (Sia album)/GA1
I have reviewed Best Of... (Sia album), an article that you have nominated for GA.  Statυs (talk) 17:39, 15 June 2012 (UTC)
 * ✅. Much appreciated! -- Another Believer ( Talk ) 19:10, 15 June 2012 (UTC)

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Talk:Oh Blue Christmas/GA1
We meet again. I have reviewed the article Oh Blue Christmas and have put it on hold. Best, <font face="Arial" size="2em"> Statυs (talk) 02:04, 21 June 2012 (UTC)
 * ✅. Thanks! -- Another Believer ( Talk ) 18:44, 21 June 2012 (UTC)

Talk:Horse rings in Portland/GA1
I have also reviewed the above article and placed it on hold. Cheers, <font face="Arial" size="2em"> Statυs (talk) 06:39, 21 June 2012 (UTC)
 * I don't know the protocol for making edits to an article during an active GA review, when said edits don't concern any of the review comments, so I'm leaving this message on your talk page instead, to be safe. It appears that the article only mentions the rings being on (or attached to) "sidewalks", but some mention of curbs should also be made. This caught my attention when I read that 1978 Eugene Register-Guard article, which mentioned curb repair. (The wording in the article at present sounds a bit like it was the rings that were being repaired or replaced.) Your own photos show some rings attached to curbs where no sidewalk is present.  Nice work on the article, by the way! SJ Morg (talk) 18:38, 21 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Thanks! I went ahead and inserted the word (and link) into the article. Please feel free to improve/edit the article in ways you see fit during or after the GAN process. The more eyes we have on the article, the better! -- Another Believer ( Talk ) 18:45, 21 June 2012 (UTC)

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Congrats

 * Thanks so much, Jsayre64! -- Another Believer ( Talk ) 17:16, 22 June 2012 (UTC)
 * You're welcome. By the way, in case you didn't notice, I nominated Roses in Portland for GA. I had last worked on the article in November, putting off more work on it since then, but last week I realized that there weren't any additional improvements that I could think of. So now I'm getting excited: WikiProject Oregon is almost at 100 Good Articles! <font style="font-family:Rockwell">Jsayre64 <font style="font-family:Rockwell">(talk)  22:07, 27 June 2012 (UTC)
 * See the discussion on my talk page here. <font style="font-family:Rockwell">Jsayre64 <font style="font-family:Rockwell">(talk)  01:17, 6 July 2012 (UTC)

Meetup/Portland/Wiknic Saturday June 23
Be there, or be unwikified!--Pharos (talk) 17:27, 22 June 2012 (UTC)

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A barnstar for you!

 * Wow, I feel so honored! Much appreciated. :) -- Another Believer ( Talk ) 23:06, 26 June 2012 (UTC)

A cup of coffee for you!

 * I will be at Wikimania--looking forward to catching up then! -- Another Believer ( Talk ) 14:48, 28 June 2012 (UTC)

WikiCup 2012 June newsletter
Apologies for the lateness of this letter; our usual bot wasn't working. We are now entering round 4, our semi-finals, and have our final 16. A score of 243 was required to reach this round; significantly more than 2011's 76 points, and only a little behind 2010's 250 points. By comparison, last year, 150 points in round 4 secured a place in the final; in 2010, 430 were needed. Commiserations to Pool A's, who scored 242 points, missing out on a place in the round by a whisker. However, congratulations to Pool B's, whose television articles have brought him another round victory. Pool A's came second overall, with an impressive list of biological did you knows, good articles and featured articles. Third overall was Pool D's, with a long list of contibutions, mostly relating to baseball. Of course, with the points resetting every round, the playing field has been levelled. The most successful Pool was Pool D, which saw seven into the final round. Pool B saw four, C saw three and Pool A saw only the two round leaders.

A quick note about other competitions taking place on Wikipedia which may be of interest. There are 13 days remaining in the June-July GAN backlog elimination drive, but it is not too late to take part. August will also see the return of The Core Contest- a one month long competition first run in 2007. While the WikiCup awards points for audited content on any subject, The Core Contest about is raw article improvement, focussing heavily on the most important articles on Wikipedia. As ever, if you are concerned that your nomination—whether it is at good article candidates, a featured process, or anywhere else—will not receive the necessary reviews, please list it on WikiCup/Reviews. Questions are welcome on Wikipedia talk:WikiCup, and the judges are reachable on their talk pages or by email. Good luck! If you wish to start or stop receiving this newsletter, please feel free to add or remove yourself from WikiCup/Newsletter/Send. J Milburn (talk • email) and The ed17 (talk • email) 10:42, 2 July 2012 (UTC)

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Your GA nomination of Just Chillin'
The article Just Chillin' you nominated as a good article has been placed on hold. The article is close to meeting the good article criteria, but there are some minor changes or clarifications needed to be addressed. If these are fixed within seven days, the article will pass, otherwise it will fail. See Talk:Just Chillin' for things which need to be addressed. Jona yo! Selena 4 ever  18:54, 7 July 2012 (UTC)
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Image for Pod (sculpture)?
Hi Another Believer, and sorry to bother you, but I have a question. You created and GA nominated Pod, but it has no picture. I think having a picture of a sculpture is very important, and I've found three CC-BY-SA images on Flickr.


 * http://www.flickr.com/photos/kencf0618/3832971157/
 * http://www.flickr.com/photos/kencf0618/3832080055/
 * http://www.flickr.com/photos/jmchuff/2311331716/

Which, if any, are good enough to be uploaded and added into the article? David 1217  What I've done 01:12, 22 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Replied on article's talk page. -- Another Believer ( Talk ) 02:12, 22 July 2012 (UTC)
 * ✅. Thanks! -- Another Believer ( Talk ) 22:16, 26 July 2012 (UTC)

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Image deletion
Note that some images you created are up for deletion on commons. See Commons:Deletion requests/Files in Category:Kvinneakt. Ryan Vesey Review me!  04:55, 26 July 2012 (UTC)
 * I guess we never got artist approval. Aw. tedder (talk) 05:03, 26 July 2012 (UTC)
 * I suggested keeping it. To the extent of my knowledge so far, the images qualify for PD-US-no notice since it was created before 1977.  Unless someone has a reason to believe that the artist did in fact copyright the statue they are PD.  Also note that an image should certainly be uploaded locally if they are deleted. Ryan Vesey  Review me!  05:16, 26 July 2012 (UTC)
 * I started the deletion request to clear up whether they were non-free or not, but I would love to keep them. US copyright law is a pain. } David  1217  What I've done 22:24, 26 July 2012 (UTC)
 * No worries! I uploaded the images, then (following a discussion on the WikiProject Oregon talk page) nominated one for deletion myself in order to start the debate as to whether or not the images could live at Commons. Fingers crossed the images can stay! I wish I understood copyright rules better than I do. Confusion on the matter means I pretty much only upload images of buildings, parks and landscapes I have photographed myself. -- Another Believer ( Talk ) 22:33, 26 July 2012 (UTC)

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WikiCup 2012 July newsletter
We're approaching the beginning of 2012's final round. Pool A sees as the leader, with 300 points being awarded for the featured article Bivalvia, and Pool B sees  in the lead, with 10 good articles, and over 35 articles eligible for good topic points. Pool A sees in second place with a number of articles relating to baseball, while Pool B's  follows Grapple X, with a variety of contributions including the high-scoring, high-importance featured article on the 2010 film Pride & Prejudice. Ruby2010, like Grapple X, also claimed a number of good topic points; despite this, not a single point has been claimed for featured topics in the contest so far. The same is true for featured portals.

Currently, the eighth-place competitor (and so the lowest scorer who would reach the final round right now) has scored 332, more than double the 150 needed to reach the final round last year. In 2010, however, 430 was the lowest qualifying score. In this competition, we have generally seen scores closer to those in 2010 than those in 2011. Let's see what kind of benchmark we can set for future competitions! As ever, if you are concerned that your nomination—whether it is at good article candidates, a featured process, or anywhere else—will not receive the necessary reviews, please list it on WikiCup/Reviews. Questions are welcome on Wikipedia talk:WikiCup, and the judges are reachable on their talk pages or by email. Good luck! If you wish to start or stop receiving this newsletter, please feel free to add or remove yourself from WikiCup/Newsletter/Send. J Milburn (talk • email) and The ed17 (talk • email) 22:16, 31 July 2012 (UTC)

This Month in GLAM: July 2012
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File:Milwaukee at Last DVD cover.jpg listed for deletion
A file that you uploaded or altered, File:Milwaukee at Last DVD cover.jpg, has been listed at Files for deletion. Please see the to see why this is (you may have to search for the title of the image to find its entry), if you are interested in it not being deleted. Thank you. —Justin ( koavf ) ❤T☮C☺M☯ 08:54, 4 August 2012 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of Roses in Portland
Hello, I just wanted to introduce myself and let you know I am glad to be reviewing the article Roses in Portland you nominated for GA-status according to the criteria. This process may take up to 7 days. Feel free to contact me with any questions or comments you might have during this period. Viriditas (talk) 11:42, 6 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Thanks so much for taking the time to offer a review of the article! -- Another Believer ( Talk ) 14:48, 6 August 2012 (UTC)

Category ordering
Hey Another Believer, about time I saw another FLC from you!! In other news, I saw this edit and wondered where you had found guidance or instruction to make categories list in alphabetical order? I've seen it before but never seen any kind of guideline that points us to do that? Hope all is well with you. Cheers. The Rambling Man (talk) 19:55, 6 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Replied on talk page. -- Another Believer ( Talk ) 20:11, 6 August 2012 (UTC)

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Awake task force
Hi. If you'd like, free free to join the Awake task force, as you have worked on some articles. Don't have to. Just inviting you to. TBrandley 05:28, 10 August 2012 (UTC)
 * I appreciate the invitation. I am feeling a bit spread thin at the moment, but I will keep an eye on the articles nonetheless. Keep up the fantastic work--I am confident all Awake-related articles will be promoted to quality status based on your dedication. -- Another Believer ( Talk ) 15:55, 10 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Thanks! TBrandley 16:04, 10 August 2012 (UTC)

Wikipedia Takes Portland photo event
Sign up here: Wikipedia Takes America/Portland :)--Pharos (talk) 12:22, 10 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the link! Pleasure meeting you at Wikimania. -- Another Believer  ( Talk ) 15:54, 10 August 2012 (UTC)

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Getting Wikimedians to the Olympic Games
Hi. I am part of an effort to get Wikimedians access to the 2016 Summer Olympics as accredited reporters and photographers. Part of this effort includes covering the 2012 Summer Paralympics. Two Wikimedians have credentials to attend these games as reporters through Wikimedia Australia. As English Wikipedia does not allow original reporting, this is largely through Wikinews with a project page found at Wikinews:Paralympic Games. If you are interested in helping to get Wikimedians to the next Summer Olympics, I'd encourage you to assist with Wikinews efforts, and also to work on all language 2012 Summer Paralympic Wikipedia articles before, during and after the Games to demonstrate a track record of success. Thank you. --LauraHale (talk) 05:02, 17 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the information. Hope you are doing well, LauraHale! -- Another Believer ( Talk ) 15:26, 17 August 2012 (UTC)

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An Awake episode for you!

 * Thanks, TBrandley! Keep up the great work. I am hoping to see an Awake featured topic one day! -- Another Believer  ( Talk ) 15:26, 27 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Thanks! That makes two of us. I am going to nominate "Nightswimming" for FA next week, and the main Awake article, also, since that's a co-nomination, for the second time. Thanks again! <font face="Impact">TBrandley 15:32, 27 August 2012 (UTC)

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WikiCup 2012 August newsletter
The final is upon us! We are down to our final 8. A massive 573 was our lowest qualifying score; this is higher than the 150 points needed last year and the 430 needed in 2010. Even in 2009, when points were acquired for mainspace edit count in addition to audited content, 417 points secured a place. That leaves this year's WikiCup, by one measure at least, our most competitive ever. Our finalists, ordered by round 4 score, are:
 * 1) once again finishes the round in first place, leading Pool B. Grapple X writes articles about television, and especially The X-Files and Millenium, with good articles making up the bulk of the score.
 * 2) led Pool A this round. Fourth-place finalist last year, Miyagawa writes on a variety of topics, and has reached the final primarily off the back of his massive number of did you knows.
 * 3) was second in Pool B. Ruby2010 writes primarily on television and film, and scores primarily from good articles.
 * 4) finished third in Pool B. Casliber is something of a WikiCup veteran, having finished sixth in 2011 and fourth in 2010. Casliber writes on the natural sciences, including ornithology, botany and astronomy. Over half of Casliber's points this round were bonus points from the high-importance articles he has worked on.
 * 5) came second in Pool A. Also writing on biology, especially marine biology, Cwmhiraeth received 390 points for one featured article (Bivalvia) and one good article (pelican), topping up with a large number of did you knows.
 * 6) was third in Pool A. Muboshgu writes primarily on baseball, and this round saw Muboshgu's first featured article, Derek Jeter, promoted on its fourth attempt at FAC.
 * 7) was fourth in Pool A. She writes on a variety of topics, including horses, but this round also saw the high-importance lettuce reach featured article status.
 * 8) is another WikiCup veteran, having been a finalist in 2009 and 2010. He writes mostly on mycology.

However, we must also say goodbye to the eight who did not make the final, having fallen at the last hurdle:, , , , , , and. We hope to see you all next year.

On the subject of next year, a discussion has been opened here. Come and have your say about the competition, and how you'd like it to run in the future. This brainstorming will go on for some time before more focused discussions/polls are opened. As ever, if you are concerned that your nomination—whether it is at good article candidates, a featured process, or anywhere else—will not receive the necessary reviews, please list it on WikiCup/Reviews. Questions are welcome on Wikipedia talk:WikiCup, and the judges are reachable on their talk pages or by email. Good luck! If you wish to start or stop receiving this newsletter, please feel free to add or remove yourself from WikiCup/Newsletter/Send. J Milburn (talk • email) and The ed17 (talk • email) 00:06, 1 September 2012 (UTC)

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Your GA nomination of Maybe This Christmas
The article Maybe This Christmas you nominated as a good article has been placed on hold. The article is close to meeting the good article criteria, but there are some minor changes or clarifications needed to be addressed. If these are fixed within 7 days, the article will pass, otherwise it will fail. See Talk:Maybe This Christmas for things which need to be addressed. Kürbis (✔) 11:18, 10 September 2012 (UTC)
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Portland libraries
There are times when no articles at all are better than one-sentence permastubs. The Portland library articles are such a case. You just copy-pasted the same thing over again. You didn't even look up the geocoords...I had to spend an hour ripping them from the Multnomah County Library website. You hadn't even put in the geocoords on the Woodstock Library (and not having them would surely cost you GA). In conclusion, thanks for making a lot of work for me! p b  p  01:56, 12 September 2012 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of Maybe This Christmas
The article Maybe This Christmas you nominated as a good article has passed ; see Talk:Maybe This Christmas for comments about the article. Well done! Kürbis (✔) 13:19, 12 September 2012 (UTC)
 * ✅. Thanks so much! -- Another Believer ( Talk ) 15:09, 12 September 2012 (UTC)

This Month in GLAM: August 2012
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Cley Marshes
Hi, I noticed that in the course of tidying this article you moved a couple of images to the left. Personally, I prefer the neatness of all right-aligned, but in itself that's not a big deal. The reason I'm mentioning it is that the article will eventually be part of a Featured Topic, and a degree of uniformity is expected, in terms of eg section headings, layout etc. It's a long way off yet, three FAs down, three to go, so it will be months yet, but when I get that far it's likely that I'll right-align again, at least while the FTC is in progress, hope you won't see that as edit warring <b style="font-family:chiller; color:red;"> Jimfbleak - </b> talk to me?  14:28, 16 September 2012 (UTC)
 * ✅. Responded on user's talk page. -- Another Believer ( Talk ) 18:30, 17 September 2012 (UTC)
 * Thanks for reply, FWIW, the previous insistence at FAC of alternating images has gone now, so there at least all-right is OK. <b style="font-family:chiller; color:red;"> Jimfbleak - </b> talk to me?  18:32, 17 September 2012 (UTC)
 * Cool. -- Another Believer ( Talk ) 18:34, 17 September 2012 (UTC)

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GA review of Woodstock Library
If it were down to me I'd now be closing this review and listing the article as a GA, but of course it isn't, that's Maclean25's responsibility. In any event I think it's now something you can show to the library with some pride in your achievement. Because you're planning on using it as a model I've been a little tougher on the article than I would normally be at GAN, sort of a halfway house to FA really, but I hope you agree it's paid off. The only other thing I'd suggest would be to convert the inline citations to list defined references, to reduce the clutter in the article text, make it easier for editors, and also to act as a model of best practice. If you're uncertain what that would look like, then with your permission I'll convert the article, and if you don't like it you can simply revert me. Either way it won't affect the outcome of the GA review of course, which I'll continue to watch in case Maclean25 spots something I've missed. Malleus Fatuorum 00:13, 27 September 2012 (UTC)

WP:TFL reboot
Hello Another Believer. I just wanted to thank you for selecting a submission for TFL. As you are aware, recently, at WT:TFL, there's been a lot of concern that the system has become stuck, that new nominations are being discouraged by the lengthy queues in place, and that my selections for TFL haven't been diverse enough. To that end, I've rebooted the system. In short, we will no longer have a submissions and prep page, just a submissions page. We'll limit the number of submissions to ten. The community can comment on, support, oppose etc the inclusion of any of the submissions. Directors will have final say on what goes on main page when. I've deleted all selections made from mid-October to Christmas to give others the opportunity to get involved. I'm sorry that efforts now have been, well, delayed I guess, and hope that you'll continue to support our process, as we try to improve and ultimately get more main page exposure. Feel free to ping me about any of this. Thanks again. The Rambling Man (talk) 07:28, 27 September 2012 (UTC)

WikiCup 2012 September newsletter


We're over half way through the final, and so it is less than a month until we know for certain our 2012 WikiCup champion. currently leads, followed by, and. However, we have no one resembling a breakaway leader, and so the competition is a long way from over. Next month's newsletter will feature a list of our winners (who are not necessarily only the finalists) and keep your eyes open for an article on the WikiCup in a future edition of The Signpost. The leaders are already on a par with last year's winners, but a long way from the huge scores seen in 2010. That said, a repeat of the competition from 2010 seems unlikely.

It is good to see that three-quarters of our finalists have already scored bonus points this round. This shows that, contrary to criticism that the WikiCup has received in the past, the competition does not merely incentivise the writing of trivial articles; instead, our top competitors are still spending their time contributing to high-importance articles, and bringing them to a high standard. This does a great service to the encyclopedia and its readers. Thank you, and good work!

The planning for next year's WikiCup is ongoing. Some straw polls have been opened concerning the scoring, and you can now sign up for next year's competition. As ever, if you are concerned that your nomination—whether it is at good article candidates, a featured process, or anywhere else—will not receive the necessary reviews, please list it on WikiCup/Reviews. Questions are welcome on Wikipedia talk:WikiCup, and the judges are reachable on their talk pages or by email. Good luck! If you wish to start or stop receiving this newsletter, please feel free to add or remove yourself from WikiCup/Newsletter/Send. J Milburn (talk • email) and The ed17 (talk • email) J Milburn (talk) 19:46, 2 October 2012 (UTC)

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For the record... -- Another Believer ( Talk ) 21:19, 3 October 2012 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of Woodstock Library
The article Woodstock Library you nominated as a good article has passed ; see Talk:Woodstock Library for comments about the article. Well done! Kürbis (✔) 09:44, 8 October 2012 (UTC)
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Meetup greets

 * Thanks for coming to the editathon. If you want to meet Wikipedians in Seattle or NYC then let me know. Also let me know if you meet anyone doing any particular kind of Wikipedia project - I can probably connect you.


 * I regret that we never met while I lived in Seattle but am glad that I could meet you yesterday. Blue Rasberry 16:25, 28 October 2012 (UTC)


 * Ditto--thanks for coming to the edit-athon! Come back again! --Another Believer (Talk) 18:18, 28 October 2012 (UTC)

Great to meet you too ! Meetup/Portland/Wiki Loves Libraries/2012. Here is one of the graphs I was talking about with editor information, though even this is now two years old editor trends study 2010. Hope to see you around on wikipedia and across the globe :). &there4; here&hellip;&spades; 22:23, 28 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Thanks again! -- Another Believer ( Talk ) 02:59, 30 October 2012 (UTC)

Finally some followup: April 2012 meetup
Hey AB, some time ago you asked me to post some outcomes from our April 2012 meetup. Here you go, finally! Meetup/Portland/April 2012 Sorry for the delay. Feel free to add anything I missed -- I'm sure there's plenty, I'm just going off memory! -Pete (talk) 05:21, 30 October 2012 (UTC)
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 * Whoops -- thanks for cleaning up my formatting messes on the Meetup page! -Pete (talk) 21:06, 31 October 2012 (UTC)

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WikiCup 2012 October newsletter
The 2012 WikiCup has come to a close; congratulations to, our 2012 champion! Cwmhiraeth joins our exclusive club of previous winners: (2007),  (2008),  (2009),  (2010) and  (2011). Our final standings were as follows:



Prizes for first, second, third and fourth will be awarded, as will prizes for all those who reached the final eight. Every participant who scored in the competition will receive a ribbon of participation. In addition to the prizes based on placement, the following special prizes will be awarded based on high performance in particular areas of content creation. So that the finalists do not have an undue advantage, the prize is awarded to the competitor who scored the highest in any particular field in a single round.


 * The featured article award goes to, for four featured articles in the final round.
 * The good article award also goes to, for 19 good articles in the second round.
 * The list award goes to, for three featured lists in the final round.
 * The topic award goes to, for three good topics (with around 40 articles) in round 4.
 * The did you know award goes to, for well over 100 DYKs in the final round.
 * The news award goes to, for 10 in the news items in round 3.
 * The picture award goes to, for two featured pictures in round 2.
 * The reviewer award goes to both (14 reviews in round 1) and  (14 reviews in round 3).
 * Finally, for achieving an incredible bonus point total in the final round, and for bringing the top-importance article frog to featured status, a biostar has been awarded to.

Awards will be handed out in the coming days; please bear with us! This year's competition also saw fantastic contributions in all rounds, from newer Wikipedians contributing their first good or featured articles, right up to highly experienced Wikipedians chasing high scores and contributing to topics outside of their usual comfort zones. It would be impossible to name all of the participants who have achieved things to be proud of, but well done to all of you, and thanks! Wikipedia has certainly benefited from the work of this year's WikiCup participants.

Next year's WikiCup will begin in January. Currently, discussions and polls are open, and all contributions are welcome. You can also sign up for next year's competition. There will be no further newsletters this year, although brief notes may be sent out in December to remind everyone about the upcoming competition. It's been a pleasure to work with you all, and we hope to see you all in January! J Milburn (talk • email) and The ed17 (talk • email) 00:12, 1 November 2012 (UTC)

Nomination of Albina Library for deletion
A discussion is taking place as to whether the article Albina Library is suitable for inclusion in Wikipedia according to Wikipedia's policies and guidelines or whether it should be deleted.

The article will be discussed at Articles for deletion/Albina Library until a consensus is reached, and anyone is welcome to contribute to the discussion. The nomination will explain the policies and guidelines which are of concern. The discussion focuses on high-quality evidence and our policies and guidelines.

Users may edit the article during the discussion, including to improve the article to address concerns raised in the discussion. However, do not remove the article-for-deletion template from the top of the article. p b  p  19:04, 1 November 2012 (UTC)

November 2012
Hello. It appears that you have been canvassing—leaving messages on biased users' talk pages to notify them of an ongoing community decision, debate, or vote—in order to influence Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Albina Library. While friendly notices are allowed, they should be limited and nonpartisan in distribution and should reflect a neutral point of view. Please do not post notices which are indiscriminately cross-posted, which espouse a certain point of view or side of a debate, or which are selectively sent only to those who are believed to hold the same opinion as you. Remember to respect Wikipedia's principle of consensus-building by allowing decisions to reflect the prevailing opinion among the community at large. Sorry, but just saying "it isn't canvassing" doesn't mean that it isn't canvassing  p  b  p  20:05, 1 November 2012 (UTC)
 * According to the canvassing page, I can request comments in the following ways:


 * The talk page of one or more WikiProjects (or other Wikipedia collaborations) directly related to the topic under discussion. ✅
 * A central location (such as the Village pump or other relevant noticeboards) for discussions that have a wider impact such as policy or guideline discussions.
 * On the talk pages of a user mentioned in the discussion (particularly if the discussion concerns complaints about user behavior).
 * On the talk pages of concerned editors. Examples include editors who have participated in previous discussions on the same topic (or closely related topics), who are known for expertise in the field, or who have asked to be kept informed. The audience must not be selected on the basis of their opinions—for example, if notices are sent to editors who previously supported deleting an article, then identical notices should be sent to those who supported keeping it. Do not send notices to too many users, and do not send messages to users who have asked not to receive them. ✅

I posted a notification on the talk page for WikiProject Oregon as well as the two contributors who participated in the discussion previously. Both are appropriate, as outlined above. I did not ask for their support. -- Another Believer ( Talk ) 20:10, 1 November 2012 (UTC)

Library branches
Thanks. This looks do-able. I have many off-wiki promises to keep later today, but I got a bit done this morning. My plan is to return to these articles every day for a while and to help you and Pete (and anyone else) spiff them up. Finetooth (talk) 17:34, 3 November 2012 (UTC)
 * Fantastic--thanks so much! -- Another Believer ( Talk ) 17:35, 3 November 2012 (UTC)
 * Just doing exterior shots, time and weather permitting. I like your interior shots in Woodstock Library. Finetooth (talk) 17:58, 6 November 2012 (UTC)
 * I like the Woodstock exterior shot as well. Finetooth (talk) 17:59, 6 November 2012 (UTC)
 * Since the Albina discussion resulted in "keep", does that apply to the others as well? Do you know if it's now OK to remove the tags from the tops of the article(s)? Finetooth (talk) 00:33, 11 November 2012 (UTC)
 * FYI, that close may not hold. It shouldn't have been an NAC close and he should have given a better rationale (and obviously, he should have removed ALL notices, which is the sole responsibility of the closer)  p  b  p  01:46, 11 November 2012 (UTC)
 * Actually, I am not sure, FT. I thought about removing the deletion tags myself but thought I would leave the task to someone less involved in the discussion than myself. -- Another Believer ( Talk ) 17:23, 11 November 2012 (UTC)
 * I think that's wise. I'd rather write than fight, and camera work is fun too. At least a couple of the branch libraries, North Portland for one, sound like they have fascinating interiors. The big boxes like Gresham might not, but I don't know because I haven't been inside. Your interior photos of the Central Library are impressive. My only lens has a range from 18 to 105 mm, which is fine for outdoor shots but not wide enough inside sometimes. I see that many of your library photos are around 5 mm. Makes me think about acquiring a wide-angle lens. With admiration, Finetooth (talk) 18:21, 11 November 2012 (UTC)
 * Thanks for your kind words. I enjoy photographing all sorts of subjects. Just need the time to upload images to Commons (I have hundreds on my computer needing attention!)... These library articles are turning into a fine collection--I'd love to see some of them reach Good status, and I am also particularly interested in the former branches. I have yet to determine which ones deserve articles of their own. The list of former branches is incomplete, but hopefully not for long. -- Another Believer ( Talk ) 18:27, 11 November 2012 (UTC)
 * The MCL history of the North Portland branch mentions the Vanport Library, destroyed by the 1948 flood on the Columbia. I added Vanport to the template. Finetooth (talk) 19:52, 11 November 2012 (UTC)
 * Great add! I mentioned a few others on the MCL article talk page, but more research is needed. Ideally the years of service would be available for all former branches. -- Another Believer ( Talk ) 22:09, 11 November 2012 (UTC)

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The Walking Dead
Yes sir. I'll probably be done with "Killer Within" by tomorrow or Thursday and I'll get started with another one before the week ends. :) —DAP388 (talk) 04:00, 14 November 2012 (UTC)
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Thanks for the Thanksgiving note -- hope you have a happy one too! Nice to hear from you, and always admiring your wiki work. -Pete (talk) 00:58, 22 November 2012 (UTC)
 * Same from these quarters. It's a pleasure to work with you. Finetooth (talk) 01:49, 22 November 2012 (UTC)

GA
Congrats on the GA for Country Bill's. Finetooth (talk) 05:17, 23 November 2012 (UTC)
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D River
Thanks for the note. Yes, I'm familiar with this little dude. I'll see what I can do to improve the article (maybe something, maybe nothing, not sure). I'm not nominating anything for anything these days, but I'm happy when others nominate things I've worked on either a little or a lot. Finetooth (talk) 18:42, 3 December 2012 (UTC)
 * These three are close to GA: Oregon Caves National Monument, Fossil Creek, Jerome, Arizona. None has been reviewed at WP:GAN or WP:PR or informally. Oregon Caves is pretty close to FA quality, and that might be true of Fossil Creek as well. I need to write a decent lead for Jerome; the existing one is incomplete. Hope to do that this month, maybe this week. After that's done, the article might also succeed at FAC after first going through either GAN or PR or both. Finetooth (talk) 19:22, 3 December 2012 (UTC)
 * Jerome lead is now re-written and much better. I still must add a note about the short-line railroads connecting the mines to the smelters. Finetooth (talk) 03:59, 4 December 2012 (UTC)
 * Sure. Over the past five years, I've been a significant contributor (usually the main contributor, nominator, or co-nominator) to 17 articles promoted to FA or FL and nine others promoted to GA. I've also been involved in four or five that I've nominated or co-nominated at FAC that did not pass. I've lost count of how many I've submitted to PR, and I've done more than 800 reviews of other people's articles at PR. In 2011, I had a lot of trouble with an FLC that eventually was promoted and even more trouble with an FAC that did not get promoted. The unhappy feelings connected with these two events in 2011 led me to rethink what I was doing. I decided I needed a vacation from nominating anything. After I stopped nominating anything, I realized that I no longer had to do any tit-for-tat reviews. (No law ever said I had to do them, but I felt a moral obligation.) On the other hand, I didn't need a vacation from research, writing, and photography, which are my idea of fun and rarely involve arguments with other editors or bad feelings or serious stress. So, until I get bored with bliss, I probably won't nominate anything or do many reviews. Still, I like being part of a group working toward a set of common goals, and I enjoy helping with others' articles and projects. Finetooth (talk) 06:59, 4 December 2012 (UTC)

Update: Oregon Caves National Monument. Congrats, FT! -- Another Believer ( Talk ) 01:00, 25 December 2012 (UTC)

Comments at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject National Register of Historic Places/WLM-US 2013 discussion
Would definitely be appreciated. Smallbones( smalltalk ) 04:17, 4 December 2012 (UTC)

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Thank you for nominating this. I'll help if I can and try to behave myself, if possible. Please let me know if you see problems or have questions. I've been meaning to go down to the cave to try to get some better photos of things like the lodge and the big tree, but the park is an out-of-the-way place that's relatively inaccessible in winter. Lack of more images shouldn't be a problem at GAN, though. By the way, I don't think that editors who don't do reviews are "bad". Forced reviewing would be a disaster. We all do what we can or what we want to, and all of it is a gift to the commons. You are an excellent editor and also a "good" one, IMHO. Finetooth (talk) 17:47, 10 December 2012 (UTC)
 * Oregon Caves National Monument was promoted today, Dec. 24, a nice Christmas present. Thank you again. I hope you are having a good holiday season. Finetooth (talk) 17:15, 24 December 2012 (UTC)

Thanks
Thanks, and keep spreading those seeds! J04n(talk page) 22:37, 10 December 2012 (UTC)
 * Always! -- Another Believer ( Talk ) 22:46, 10 December 2012 (UTC)

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Hand-coding
Hey all :).

I'm dropping you a note because you've been involved in dealing with feedback from the Article Feedback Tool. To get a better handle on the overall quality of comments now that the tool has become a more established part of the reader experience, we're undertaking a round of hand coding - basically, taking a sample of feedback and marking each piece as inappropriate, helpful, so on - and would like anyone interested in improving the tool to participate :).

You can code as many or as few pieces of feedback as you want: this page should explain how to use the system, and there is a demo here. Once you're comfortable with the task, just drop me an email at and I'll set you up with an account :).

If you'd like to chat with us about the research, or want live tutoring on the software, there will be an office hours session on Monday 17 December at 23:00 UTC in. Hope to see some of you there! Thanks, Okeyes (WMF) (talk) 22:55, 14 December 2012 (UTC)

One-sentence NRHP stubs
I feel like the Grinch leaving a message like this at this time of year, but I've procrastinated on it repeatedly and don't want to keep doing that. Although I really value your contributions to Wikipedia and don't want to do anything that might discourage you, I do urge you not to create any more one-sentence stubs on Oregon NRHP-listed properties – except when you intend to go back soon (within a few days or so) and add some actual content. From what I've observed, it appears that you almost never do that, and are just hoping someone else will do so (see next paragraph). Usually, your stubs don't even include an infobox. This was discussed at WikiProject NRHP and on your talk page back in June 2011, and I have to say I agreed with Dudemanfellabra on the basic objection. At the very least, I feel any NRHP stubs you create should include infoboxes, and the Elkman tool (which requires no installation of any software), which was mentioned to you there, makes that task easy. In most cases, your NRHP stubs are in fact not articles at all, by any conventional definition. I'm saying, if you're not going to write an actual article (NRHP infobox, photo if already available, and at least a few sentences of prose), then please leave these NHRP listings as red links, as recommended at WP:REDDEAL.

In that 2011 discussion, you argued that you believed creating these stubs would encourage people to write a real article (I'm paraphrasing liberally). From my perspective, the opposite is true. Their creation permanently denies anyone else the chance to be recorded as the article's creator, while adding absolutely no info. that cannot already be found in the list-type articles for each Oregon county or smaller area. I can only speak for myself, but personally I am more willing to devote the time for research and writing to create a new article if it is currently a red link. If it is a one-sentence stub (i.e. virtually no content), the amount of time I have to spend is exactly the same and yet I don't get identified as the article's creator. Being listed as the article's creator is not a major factor in my choices of what new articles to research and compose, but it is a factor, and can be a significant motivator. I could name several specific examples of articles I was planning to write, and had researched and gathered info on (some being Astoria subjects), but for which your creation of one-sentence stubs then stole some of my motivation; but this post has become too long already. For me, even a small loss in motivation often means a planned project never gets done. Anyway, I'm just giving an additional reason that creation of stubs like these NRHP ones (when the creator has no intention of expanding them himself) are not only not beneficial, but actually detrimental to WP, as I see it. The reasons given during that earlier discussion were also sound. Naturally, you are free to reject my argument, but I hope you'll consider it. Sorry to be critical, because I still greatly appreciate all your other contributions; I'm only finding fault with one small facet of your editing. SJ Morg (talk) 13:28, 18 December 2012 (UTC)
 * I agree entirely with SJ Morg. I think the super-stubby stubs do more harm than good. Finetooth (talk) 17:42, 18 December 2012 (UTC)
 * Thank you, AB, for your thoughtful response, left on my talk page. I really was reluctant to criticize, but did so because I figured I might have identified a downside that hadn't occurred to you. So, thank you for acknowledging this and taking it to heart.  Oh, and by the way, you're one of a handful of prolific and respected WP:ORE editors (Finetooth is another!) whose contributions I check (both here and at Commons) fairly often just to see what they are up to – it's especially interesting when I discover a new article that was just created an hour or two earlier by (e.g.) Aboutmovies, before TedderBot's daily check picks it up and it begins appearing in the Project's "recent changes" list! – so I have a pretty good idea how many good contributions you are always making to Oregon-related articles and discussions, even when (like me) you are also interested in editing non-Oregon-related articles. Regarding images, you've uploaded a lot of really nice images of local historic buildings, among other things, over the last several months. SJ Morg (talk) 08:11, 19 December 2012 (UTC)
 * I want to add to my brief comment of yesterday that I heartily concur with all the nice things SJ Morg has said. Finetooth (talk) 18:06, 19 December 2012 (UTC)
 * Thank you, both. -- Another Believer ( Talk ) 18:25, 19 December 2012 (UTC)

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WikiCup 2013 starting soon
Hi there; you're receiving this message because you have previously shown interest in the WikiCup. This is just to remind you that the 2013 WikiCup will be starting on 1 January, and that signups will remain open throughout January. Old and new Wikipedians and WikiCup participants are warmly invited to take part in this year's competition. (Though, as a note to the more experienced participants, there have been a few small rules changes in the last few months.) If you have already signed up, let this be a reminder; you will receive a message with your submissions' page soon. Please direct any questions to the WikiCup talk page. Thanks! J Milburn 19:24, 30 December 2012 (UTC)

Sculptor?
Elek Imredy may be worthy of an article as well that is why I redlinked it. There is confusion on the Hungarian animation page about a cartoonist that came over within a year with the same name. They may have faulty info, the ref is power point that I can't read at this point.--Canoe1967 (talk) 21:40, 30 December 2012 (UTC)
 * I have not done any research about the sculptor but I have no problem with the redlink and would not be against creating an article if enough material exists to warrant an article. Thanks for the heads up! -- Another Believer ( Talk ) 03:46, 31 December 2012 (UTC)
 * The cite I put by his name has all the info I found so far. He has statues all over and few in here in Edmonton. I hope to get some pictures soon if my car will start.--Canoe1967 (talk) 03:53, 31 December 2012 (UTC)

Welcome to the 2013 WikiCup!
Hello Another Believer, and welcome to the 2013 WikiCup! Your submissions' page is here. The competition begins at midnight UTC. The first round will last until the end of February, at which point the top 64 scorers will advance to the second round. We will be in touch at the end of every month, and signups are going to remain open until the end of January; if you know of anyone else who may like to take part, please let them know! A few reminders: *The rules can be found here. There have been a few changes from last year, which are listed on that page. *Anything you submit must have been nominated and promoted in 2013, and you need to have completed significant work upon it in 2013. (The articles you review at good article reviews does not need to have been nominated in 2013, but you do need to have started the review in 2013.) We will be checking. *If you feel that another competitor is breaking the rules or abusing the competition in some way, please let a judge know. Please do not remove entries from the submissions' pages of others yourself. *Don't worry about calculating precisely how many points everything is worth. The bot will do that. The bot may occasionally get something wrong- let a judge know, or post on the WikiCup talk page if that happens. *Please try to be prompt in updating submissions' pages so that they can be double-checked. Overall, however, don't worry, and have fun. It doesn't matter if you make the odd mistake; these things happen. Questions can be asked on the WikiCup talk page. Good luck! J Milburn and The ed17 18:12, 31 December 2012 (UTC)