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American Quarter Horse Hall of Fame
Hi Atsme, long time no talk. I hope you are well. I was working on the horse articles contained in the article American Quarter Horse Hall of Fame making edits like fixing broken links or correcting where bots had put in archive links and changing them to live links that had just been reorganized, and some other edits. For a complete list, see my talk page under the heading QHs. I also took the time to add each article that was missing to your category Category:AQHA Hall of Fame (horses). The category only had about 12 members in it when I started. It now includes all of the articles from the aforementioned hall of fame article and numbers 87 members. It should be a much more useful category now.

I also just completed an expansion of a horse article Make It Do, who is both an AQUA Hall of Fame member and a ProRodeo Hall of Fame member, where he was known as Peanuts. In looking for a particular source for one of his rodeo hall of fame induction pages (which I never found), I came across this really interesting article in "Racing - The American Quarter Horse Racing Journal" entitled "All Around Hand" which is about the horse's owner who trained him for racing. Stan Immenschuh is a very interesting person although there is not a lot about him on the Internet. Apparently, he was a cowboy who also trained race horses and cutting horses, could rodeo himself and was a friend and associate of Bubba Cascio. I just thought you might like to read the article or even might have uses for it as a source. Unfortunately, I could not find anything that makes him notable himself, but still very interesting. If you haven't already seen it, that is. There is an article about him on AQHA's web site too. But it is mostly just a repeat about what he said regarding Peanuts. Article: Also, this short obit adds a bit more about his abilities:  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dawnleelynn (talk • contribs) 19:50 8 September 2017 (UTC)


 * Hi Good job on the AQHA Hall of Fame work. Right now, I'm focused on Irma - have family & friends in Key West who refused to evacuate. I'm storm tracking and unable to focus on much more. I just struggled through the Harvey disaster worrying about family & friends in the Houston area who decided to sit it out and made some stalls available for horses that barely escaped. Helluva way to spend the weekend. Atsme 📞📧 13:52, 9 September 2017 (UTC)


 * I didn't realize this. How wonderful you could find shelter for some horses. But very trying to worry about loved ones who wouldn't evacuate. Oh yes that must be difficult and yes definitely a first priority. I'll say prayers. I have a family member in Dallas, so was blessed they were not closer. My family also has good friends in the Orlando area, but there isn't much we can help them with. dawnleelynn (talk) 15:52, 9 September 2017 (UTC)

Please comment on Talk:Dina Powell
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Notice of Edit warring noticeboard discussion
Hello. This message is being sent to inform you that there is currently a discussion involving you at Administrators' noticeboard/Edit warring regarding a possible violation of Wikipedia's policy on edit warring. Thank you.  Volunteer Marek  13:17, 6 October 2017 (UTC)
 * I've closed this report - I don't think there's much of a case to answer at the moment, except to say that it might be worth putting your edits on Dismissal of James Comey to one side and just handling the RfCs on the talk - US politics are a hotbed of strong opinions at the moment (to put it politely) and I wouldn't want to see you wander into something silly like a 1RR block. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont)  13:23, 6 October 2017 (UTC)
 * Atsme should, at the very least, self-revert their last revert, no?  Volunteer Marek   13:40, 6 October 2017 (UTC)
 * They could, but unless anyone else specifically challenges her that her edit is wrong, I think the matter is probably best dropped for the minute. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont)  13:46, 6 October 2017 (UTC)
 * The editor who made the edit she reverted, User:TheTimesAreAChanging DID challenge her edit. Now he can't "challenge" it again because, obviously, they'd be violating 1RR.  Volunteer Marek   13:57, 6 October 2017 (UTC)
 * Alright, Atsme, can you please self revert this edit since at least two editors are objecting to it, and it's a 1RR violation? Thanks.  Volunteer Marek   15:01, 6 October 2017 (UTC)
 * Why is it a 1RR violation - that was my 1st revision revert. The rest was simply copy editing. I don't think IDONTLIKEIT overrules NPOV. If you explain to me why it's a 1RR violation, I will self-revert if it doesn't cause me to violate 1RR because then it WILL be 2RR. Atsme 📞📧 15:21, 6 October 2017 (UTC)
 * I think on a technicality, this string of edits is one revert, as you're changing existing stuff in the article, and this is the second. However, I don't like splitting hairs like that, and I certainly wouldn't use it as a device to block a long-standing editor. It would cause more problems than it solves. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont)  15:25, 6 October 2017 (UTC)
 * Thank you, Ritchie. Since you've been so gracious, I'll ask a second question - I demonstrated on the article TP the simple grammatical changes I made but it actually goes one step farther - per WP:V All quotations, and any material whose verifiability has been challenged or is likely to be challenged, must include an inline citation that directly supports the material. The lede as currently written is whitewashing what happened, it's "iffy" at best, and as you say, it's splitting hairs. My concern was stating the facts and the lede makes it sound like he was dismissed from the meeting rather than presenting the facts of what actually happened. Using "dismissal" caused another sentence to be written to explain the dismissal. Jiminy Cricket!! I used in-text attribution that factually reflects what happened and that was it.Atsme 📞📧 15:35, 6 October 2017 (UTC)
 * The wording has been discussed to death on talk before. That's why your revert was disruptive. You completely ignored what others have worked out and jumped in there unilaterally to try and impose your version on the article. Also, can you please self revert this? Thanks.  Volunteer Marek   16:32, 6 October 2017 (UTC)
 * It's not like this is some obscure out-of-the-way article though, is it Marek? I'm sure if the edit was worth reverting, somebody else would have done it, since the article's had enough people going through it in the past week alone. Ritchie333</b> <sup style="color:#7F007F">(talk) <sup style="color:#7F007F">(cont)  18:42, 6 October 2017 (UTC)
 * No, actually nobody else did because we're sick of Atsme's bludgeon edit warring. This is not splitting hairs, it's chopping logs. SPECIFICO  talk  19:40, 6 October 2017 (UTC)

Only thing anyone is sick of is your PAs, Specifico. My history with you has not been a pleasant one, and I don't see that changing anytime soon. As you well know, I have no affinity for advocacies, POV pushers, or liars. All you have done is dangle bait in front of me, hoping I'd take it. Sorry to disappoint, but I'm not a newbie anymore, so move along...your rudeness is not welcome here. <span style="text-shadow:#F8F8FF 0.2em 0.2em 0.4em,#F4BBFF -0.2em -0.3em 0.6em,#BFFF00 0.8em 0.8em 0.6em; color:#A2006D;">Atsme 📞📧 19:53, 6 October 2017 (UTC)
 * Sorry to hear you've not enjoyed our time together. I thought we were friends, disagreements and all. Oh well.   SPECIFICO  talk  22:05, 6 October 2017 (UTC)
 * 😢 I didn't intend to imply we weren't still friends, disagreements and all. I was hoping we had moved beyond the play yard where most of the boys seemed to find pleasure bullying little girls...but now that I've somehow graduated to bludgeoning (am I using a stick like a caveman?) and your impression of me is that you are sick of Atsme's bludgeon edit warring... after I made one revert, I thought maybe you found another playmate to kick around. Must be a miscommunication. <span style="text-shadow:#F8F8FF 0.2em 0.2em 0.4em,#F4BBFF -0.2em -0.3em 0.6em,#BFFF00 0.8em 0.8em 0.6em; color:#A2006D;">Atsme 📞📧 22:20, 6 October 2017 (UTC)
 * Oh good. You earned my admiration at G. Edward Griffin.  I said "we're" sick anyway. I just stumbled by this one on my way to pick up a Vaporesso kit for my old man.  SPECIFICO  talk  23:56, 6 October 2017 (UTC)
 * Yeah, that's specificolly where you earned mine. Well, I've tried to forget what I was forced to endure back then - forgive & forget 🍺 - but every now and then a member of the old gang shows up and can't resist stirring up old memories. All I wanted to do was improve the article, submit it to DYK and get it promoted to GA (I was a "collector" back then). It took a while before I realized that particular BLP would serve its time here as a coatrack.
 * My version would have looked more like this: Dick Pound is a documentary filmmaker and author of "Chemtrails Leave No Cracker Crumbs", an Amazon best seller (2012-2014). The book recieved mixed reviews but had wide appeal, and was well received by enthusiasts of conspiracy theories and connoisseurs of soda crackers, salted and unsalted. Pound's friend, Moe Lester, a chemist for the aerospace giant, MacDonald-Berger, was head of the company's jet vapor research team. He told Pound that he found traces of aluminum in the jet vapors, but was more concerned over what was happening at high altitudes. He explained that the cold temperatures at altitude caused the vapors to formed into a solid which caused them to fall to earth, breaking into pieces as they fell. By the time they hit the ground, they had crystallized into shiney crumpled-up pieces of aluminum that looked very much like a tin foil hat. It was that discovery along with some persuasion from Lester that convinced Pound to write the book.
 * The opposition's version looked more like this: Dick Pound is a conspiracy theorist who authored Chemtrails Leave No Cracker Crumbs. The book was highly criticized by the scientific community, many of whom confirmed that chemtrails do not leave cracker crumbs; rather they leave quacker crumbs. Sue Yoo, a chemical engineer at Cornmeal University and head of the Jetson Vapor Project called Pound "a lunatic charlaton" and that he should not be allowed to write books. Then came the AfD train.
 * 😂 That was way more fun to write than some of the articles I've had to deal with this week. <span style="text-shadow:#F8F8FF 0.2em 0.2em 0.4em,#F4BBFF -0.2em -0.3em 0.6em,#BFFF00 0.8em 0.8em 0.6em; color:#A2006D;">Atsme 📞📧 03:27, 7 October 2017 (UTC)

Mechanical Battery
Hi, wondering why you changed the content of Mechanical Battery to redirect to the Battery disambig. I don't think this is appropriate, since most of the content of that page has nothing to do with mechanical batteries. If anything, I'd think that the sublinks under "A mechanical battery, storing energy by mechanical means" on that disambig page should be removed in favor of linking to the Mechanical Battery page. Fresheneesz (talk) 20:52, 5 October 2017 (UTC)
 * Hi, - I didn't actually "change" the content; rather, it was redirected to a dab page to help readers find the correct article they seek. Oftentimes readers don't use the exact words necessary to find an article, so a dab page helps in that it gives readers a list of choices to expedite their search. Also, when there are existing articles that already provide the necessary information for a particular topic, and in this case, regarding "mechanical batteries", the DAB helps them locate it. WP doesn't make a practice of redundancy. Having said the latter, a spin-off article may be warranted when there is adequate information properly cited to WP:RS that justify a standalone article per WP:PAG. Hope that helps. <span style="text-shadow:#F8F8FF 0.2em 0.2em 0.4em,#F4BBFF -0.2em -0.3em 0.6em,#BFFF00 0.8em 0.8em 0.6em; color:#A2006D;">Atsme 📞📧 21:56, 5 October 2017 (UTC)

Please comment on Talk:Linda Sarsour
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Greetings. I have reverted your addition of the POV template to the article Linda Sarsour. if you have identified a serious breach of neutrality in the article, then feel free to re-add the template, but please leave a note on the talk page clearly explaining the problem. —Sangdeboeuf (talk) 15:51, 10 October 2017 (UTC)

Thank you for your input at Talk:Linda Sarsour. Good-faith contributions are welcome; however, you may have better luck persuading others if you don't label their remarks "nonsense" or accuse them of "disruptive" behavior when they challenge you. Labeling the work of other contributors "whitewashing" is also unlikely to win you many converts. You are a new contributor to this page; I would respectfully suggest that you study the previous discussions before demanding that things be done your way. —Sangdeboeuf (talk) 11:30, 11 October 2017 (UTC)
 * , please WP:DTR and stop with the innuendo and false allegations. I haven't demanded anything, especially to do things "my way". That casts a shadow of WP:OWN on you. I'm here to build an encyclopedia, get the article right, and work in a collaborative manner without having to squabble. I actually have other things to do including NPP and AfC, and I need to spend a bit of time at DR/N so I try to keep time sinks to a minimum. Everything I mentioned on the article TP is supported by and cited to RS as I described for all editors to review. We cannot sweep controversy under the rug, especially when it is the reason for one's notability. Sarsour has tweeted some highly contentious tweets, (not unlike Trump), has been quite bold in her comments, and has received widespread coverage in MSM for various reasons. She is far more than just another advocate on a soapbox, and it's our job to write about the most notable aspects in a dispassionate tone from a NPOV without giving the appearance WP supports her advocacy or is being used as a soapbox for it per WP:NOT. As editors, we leave our biases at login and look only at the technical aspects of an article - UNDUE, BALANCE, V, NPOV, OR, etc. In the future, I ask that you please confine your comments about Sarsour to the article TP. <span style="text-shadow:#F8F8FF 0.2em 0.2em 0.4em,#F4BBFF -0.2em -0.3em 0.6em,#BFFF00 0.8em 0.8em 0.6em; color:#A2006D;">Atsme 📞📧 14:10, 11 October 2017 (UTC)
 * What "comments about Sarsour" are you referring to? I have commented only on your conduct towards other editors. Despite your high-minded words, you don't seem to be genuinely interested in collaboration with others, so I will bid you good day. —Sangdeboeuf (talk) 17:05, 11 October 2017 (UTC)
 * POOF I have better things to do. <span style="text-shadow:#F8F8FF 0.2em 0.2em 0.4em,#F4BBFF -0.2em -0.3em 0.6em,#BFFF00 0.8em 0.8em 0.6em; color:#A2006D;">Atsme 📞📧 20:17, 11 October 2017 (UTC)

Please comment on Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/?/2017 Advisory RFC
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MfD nomination of Wikipedia:WikiProject Accuracy
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Please comment on Talk:Dismissal of James Comey
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Good news!!
The autoconfirmed trial is in effect!! Autoconfirmed_article_creation_trial <span style="text-shadow:#F8F8FF 0.2em 0.2em 0.4em,#F4BBFF -0.2em -0.3em 0.6em,#BFFF00 0.8em 0.8em 0.6em; color:#A2006D;">Atsme 📞📧 02:44, 15 September 2017 (UTC)
 * Yes. Having a double of some of the good stuff tonight. A great day for Wikipedia and for advancing the cause of free quality knowledge available to anyone in the world. TonyBallioni (talk) 02:48, 15 September 2017 (UTC)

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A cup of tea for you!

 * What a nice surprise, - thank you for brightening my morning, too. <span style="text-shadow:#F8F8FF 0.2em 0.2em 0.4em,#F4BBFF -0.2em -0.3em 0.6em,#BFFF00 0.8em 0.8em 0.6em; color:#A2006D;">Atsme 📞📧 13:37, 22 September 2017 (UTC)

Thanks!
Hi Atsme, thank you for your comments at my RfA. Your support is much appreciated! ansh 666 20:50, 22 September 2017 (UTC)
 * CONGRATULATIONS, - I'm confident you'll do a great job!! <span style="text-shadow:#F8F8FF 0.2em 0.2em 0.4em,#F4BBFF -0.2em -0.3em 0.6em,#BFFF00 0.8em 0.8em 0.6em; color:#A2006D;">Atsme 📞📧 01:55, 23 September 2017 (UTC)

what is TP?
Hi you left a message "discuss on TP of Homeopathy before reverting redirect again" May I know what is 'TP'? Dr Kurian John Poruthukaren — Preceding unsigned comment added by Drpjkurian (talk • contribs) 17:35, 23 September 2017 (UTC)
 * TP: The article's talk page. Thanks, — Paleo  Neonate  – 18:38, 23 September 2017 (UTC)

Answers
The answer to this riddle is scent, cent, & sent. <span style="text-shadow:#F8F8FF 0.2em 0.2em 0.4em,#F4BBFF -0.2em -0.3em 0.6em,#BFFF00 0.8em 0.8em 0.6em; color:#A2006D;">Atsme 📞📧 00:09, 26 September 2017 (UTC)

Proposed deletion of Chris Sherwin


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October 2017
Atsme, regarding your "amusing" misspelling of a living person's name here, I've removed it. Please have a read of WP:BLP and consider that everybody's entitled to a little human dignity here. Bishonen &#124; talk 20:20, 31 October 2017 (UTC).
 * Oh, thank you for removing it. It was a strike-thru so I didn't think of it as being undignified considering he pleaded guilty to lying to the FBI which should be far more of a human dignity concern than my misspelling of his name. what drew your attention to that one comment by me and not any other "entitled to a little human dignity" issues on that same TP? <span style="text-shadow:#F8F8FF 0.2em 0.2em 0.4em,#F4BBFF -0.2em -0.3em 0.6em,#BFFF00 0.8em 0.8em 0.6em; color:#A2006D;">Atsme 📞📧 21:15, 31 October 2017 (UTC)
 * I don't take responsibility for the page as a whole, I merely watch it desultorily. This IP edit turned up on my watchlist and I clicked to look, and caught sight of your poopy fun higher up in the diff, where it stood out because it was crossed out. (Yes, crossing out draws the eye, especially in edit mode.) And no, it's not the case that you get to make crude fun of people because they have pleaded guilty to criminal acts. You're not a new user; you know this. Bishonen &#124; talk 21:40, 31 October 2017 (UTC).
 * Thank you, Bish. I'll avoid striking my comments in the future so as not to disturb you. I recognize that people who violate the law are people, too, and I will do my best to be more sensitive to their feelings, regardless of the laws they have broken. <span style="text-shadow:#F8F8FF 0.2em 0.2em 0.4em,#F4BBFF -0.2em -0.3em 0.6em,#BFFF00 0.8em 0.8em 0.6em; color:#A2006D;">Atsme 📞📧 23:18, 31 October 2017 (UTC)
 * I was kind of offended by it too but I left it alone. I probably should have said something. I wasn't so much about the "human dignity" aspect. I thought you were making fun of him for having an unusual name - a little ethnic humor, har har - and was tempted to call you out on it since it is a perfectly normal Greek name. Anyhow, water under the bridge. Bottom line, don't make fun of people's names. --MelanieN (talk) 23:30, 31 October 2017 (UTC)
 * Atsme, when you wrote "I'll avoid striking my comments in the future so as not to disturb you", I perceive that as unresponsive and dismissive. The strikeout just caught Bishonen's eye, and was not the substantive issue. It was your mockery of a living person that was the problem, and you should be scrupulous to avoid that in the future. Mock these people on Facebook or Twitter, but not on Wikipedia. That's how I manage to stay sane these days. <b style="color:#070">Cullen</b><sup style="color:#707">328  Let's discuss it  23:42, 31 October 2017 (UTC)
 * Point taken. <span style="text-shadow:#F8F8FF 0.2em 0.2em 0.4em,#F4BBFF -0.2em -0.3em 0.6em,#BFFF00 0.8em 0.8em 0.6em; color:#A2006D;">Atsme 📞📧 23:45, 31 October 2017 (UTC)
 * While scrupulously negating WP:LEH and WP:OWH - of course Edaham (talk) 00:41, 1 November 2017 (UTC)
 * Well, first off, I respect MelanieN - her editing abilities are admirable, and I sincerely appreciate every opportunity I get to collaborate with her - but I have to come clean in order to salvage my own credibility and why I made the humorous misspelling of the name - MelanieN did a pretty good job of misspelling it inadvertently with Pappadopopulos and that is why I took it to the next level of humor. Her mistake was innocent - mine was intended to be humorous based on her mistake. It had nothing to do with anything else, so there you have it. My explanation is not for the purpose of ridiculing an admin I admire but since this whole ordeal has escalated to the point it has...well, my only concern is to avoid being railroaded into a block or reprimand I don't deserve...not that I didn't deserve the reminder, but I just wanted to make my intentions known. Hate me, like me or love me for being up front about it - it's up to you. I said it. Now I'm going to bed. Happy editing one and all. <span style="text-shadow:#F8F8FF 0.2em 0.2em 0.4em,#F4BBFF -0.2em -0.3em 0.6em,#BFFF00 0.8em 0.8em 0.6em; color:#A2006D;">Atsme 📞📧 02:08, 1 November 2017 (UTC)

DrC
Hi Atsme, that was a really nice tribute you wrote for DrChrissy. Thank you for doing it. SarahSV (talk) 04:07, 7 October 2017 (UTC)
 * Thank you, SV - it was hard to do...we miss him. <span style="text-shadow:#F8F8FF 0.2em 0.2em 0.4em,#F4BBFF -0.2em -0.3em 0.6em,#BFFF00 0.8em 0.8em 0.6em; color:#A2006D;">Atsme 📞📧 04:20, 7 October 2017 (UTC)

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I'd appreciate your comments here
I have posted a proposal on the BLP talk page and would appreciate you looking at the proposal I have made. I would value your input as although I usually don't agree with quite a lot of what you say and you probably think I'm a bit of a moron, I think you are quite well versed on policy and are also appropriately sensitive to the meanings of words, and in particular accusatory terminology. I should make it clear that I have no idea whether or not you would support the proposal and lean toward thinking that you would reject it on the grounds that you find me about as amusing as a pantomime clown dancing at a funeral dirge. I hope to raise support for it though, as it upholds a level of clarity which I think is necessary in order to fully adhere to BLPCRIME references. Edaham (talk) 11:14, 13 October 2017 (UTC)
 * 🤡<---me--->🤠--->🤔--->💃 We all wear different hats from time to time, . Thank you for such a nicely composed comment. I was going to say "composed post" but my being a rancher of sorts, it sounded too much like "compost" so I left it as "comment". I do not think you're a moron, and it appears you have a great sense of humor. I'm happy to give it a look as a 3O. <span style="text-shadow:#F8F8FF 0.2em 0.2em 0.4em,#F4BBFF -0.2em -0.3em 0.6em,#BFFF00 0.8em 0.8em 0.6em; color:#A2006D;">Atsme 📞📧 14:59, 13 October 2017 (UTC)

"The Diff"
Is here. It's also right at the top of the hat you keep removing, all you had to do was click the link. Fyddlestix (talk) 03:40, 17 October 2017 (UTC)
 * I'm reviewing it now. Not sure why MastCell closed it that quickly, or if it even addresses the issues I've raised on the TP. It doesn't appear that it has from what I can tell. <span style="text-shadow:#F8F8FF 0.2em 0.2em 0.4em,#F4BBFF -0.2em -0.3em 0.6em,#BFFF00 0.8em 0.8em 0.6em; color:#A2006D;">Atsme 📞📧 03:45, 17 October 2017 (UTC)

Merlin (poem)
I finished if youre interested. --94.246.150.68 (talk) 01:12, 21 October 2017 (UTC)

Mister wiki case has been accepted
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Collateral damage, or by-catch - whichever is preferred
The block is this one. I believe and  have checkuser access so they may be able to review it? <b style="color:#7F007F">Ritchie333</b> <sup style="color:#7F007F">(talk) <sup style="color:#7F007F">(cont)  18:14, 19 October 2017 (UTC)


 * Sigh. I also just noticed you said you'd be there two weeks.  So I'll extend IPBE to 2 weeks instead of the 1 week I assumed would be enough.  In theory, 6 days of the 2nd week the IP wouldn't be blocked anyway, but better safe than sorry. --Floquenbeam (talk) 18:38, 19 October 2017 (UTC)
 * This is clearly a situation where granting IPBE is warranted, regardless of what type of block it is.-- Jezebel's Ponyo bons mots 18:40, 19 October 2017 (UTC)
 * Hey, Atsme, I'm so sorry you got caught in this (you sockmaster, you! ). Whether or not you are by-catch, you are certainly a chum in my book. --Tryptofish (talk) 23:57, 19 October 2017 (UTC)


 * Good'un, Tryp. I'll take it to mean the kind of chum you don't throw in the water to bait sharks. *lol*
 * Oh good, thanks Floq, the best way to catch up on your pings is to find that someone else already did all the work ;) Opabinia regalis (talk) 03:14, 24 October 2017 (UTC)

Since you apparently like my writing now (more)
Well I just wrote Draft:Daughter of Tintagel and it seems the backlog is huge, so maybe review it or whatever is needed to make it a real article. --94.246.150.68 (talk) 03:26, 23 October 2017 (UTC)
 * Glanced at it - looks good - will formally review it tomorrow. <span style="text-shadow:#F8F8FF 0.2em 0.2em 0.4em,#F4BBFF -0.2em -0.3em 0.6em,#BFFF00 0.8em 0.8em 0.6em; color:#A2006D;">Atsme 📞📧 03:34, 23 October 2017 (UTC)

As for an illustration I think https://i.imgur.com/FTGPn9S.png would be nice. --94.246.150.68 (talk) 04:02, 23 October 2017 (UTC)


 * Reminder - just be sure that any image you upload meets WP's copyright and/or fair use requirements, be it a local upload or upload at Commons. <span style="text-shadow:#F8F8FF 0.2em 0.2em 0.4em,#F4BBFF -0.2em -0.3em 0.6em,#BFFF00 0.8em 0.8em 0.6em; color:#A2006D;">Atsme 📞📧 12:49, 23 October 2017 (UTC)

WP:AE


Hi Atsme, I saw your AE statement and can see two problems with it. First of all, such edit can not be reasonably viewed as a topic ban violation by another contributor. You can't reasonably argue that editing anything related to any politician who has been endorsed by D.Trump was a topic ban violation with respect to D.Trump. Second, and more important, the request was about you. Do you think that if someone else violated his restriction, that excuses you? Saying that, I think the editing restriction you apparently violated is unhelpful and should not be used... My very best wishes (talk) 22:25, 4 December 2017 (UTC)
 * Really? Well maybe you can explain your reasoning to James J. Lambden (I'm not pinging him because I don't want any further misconceptions of his block or TB). I would have self-reverted had I known that reverting a TB editor was going to result in a TB editor getting a free pass but another editor beat me to it, and #2 - I only reverted what I believed to be the revert of a TB user. I'll add that if he wasn't TB, he damn sure should have been. If GF editors are unable to see the NPOV violations (BLP policy vios) and how the system is being gamed, shame on them. I'm done with this discussion so please go away. I know when I'm being railroaded - I can smell the friction of the iron wheels on the train track. <span style="text-shadow:#F8F8FF 0.2em 0.2em 0.4em,#F4BBFF -0.2em -0.3em 0.6em,#BFFF00 0.8em 0.8em 0.6em;color:#A2006D">Atsme 📞📧 22:45, 4 December 2017 (UTC)
 * I can see the following problems with your explanation. First, the edit by another contributor was not a topic ban violation. Second, you did not indicate in any of your edit summaries that you reverted something you perceived as a topic ban violation by another contributor. Finally, and most important, when your first edit was reverted you suppose to start discussion on article talk page per WP:BRD to achieve consensus. But you did not do it, and instead resorted to edit warring, which is precisely what this editing restrictions suppose to prevent. My very best wishes (talk) 22:55, 4 December 2017 (UTC)
 * Nope. <span style="text-shadow:#F8F8FF 0.2em 0.2em 0.4em,#F4BBFF -0.2em -0.3em 0.6em,#BFFF00 0.8em 0.8em 0.6em;color:#A2006D">Atsme 📞📧 22:56, 4 December 2017 (UTC)
 * Nope - what? You disagree that you suppose to start discussion on article talk page? That might be not a big deal elsewhere, but on a high profile article covered by DS one must be extremely careful or do not edit such pages. My very best wishes (talk) 23:03, 4 December 2017 (UTC)

Discussion from Sandstein's page
Atsme, I wasn't comfortable posting this anywhere else, but I'd like you to know what I see when I evaluate your edits... Particularly since you requested diffs showing problematic behavior, and I believe honest criticism can be a starting place for self-awareness and improvement. You have accused VM (and others) of hounding you, discussed him rudely after failing to notify him on an admin's talk page, and accused him and others of OWN (again without notifying him or anyone else). I went back farther in your editing history, and it just goes on and on. You repeat the behavior with others, alternating between playing the victim and what reads like outright tedentious editing. Your edits seem to gaslight your colleagues, accusing them (whether incorrectly or correctly) of behavior that your edits also commit and essentially shutting down discussion as a result. You appear to harass editors who have told you to stay away from their talk pages, and then run to an admin's talk page to apparently block shop after you were rightly accused of canvassing (and again fail to notify anyone). You exhibit general NOTHERE behavior when you argue that our job is to "not piss off readers" who are fans of certain media celebrities rather than report what RS say about those celebrities. You further demonstrate NOTHERE behavior when you beg the question "Has WMF experienced any decrease in monetary contributions based on en.WP's political slant or is everything still on track?" on Jimbo's page and then ask "How can we make these stats work for us?" when the data paints a different picture than the one you wanted to see. You miscite policy constantly Wikilawyering to a degree that shuts down discussion, discourages participation heavily, or the other party simply asks you to leave.

I also saw plenty of constructive edits where you put your experience and expertise to good use, but most of them were outside of AP2. I hope you take this as intended, and at least take a look at the tone of your editing to reflect on how your fellow volunteers might interpret it. It's entirely possible something is just getting lost in translation, and fixing it starts with honest reflection. 207.222.59.50 (talk) 20:27, 5 December 2017 (UTC)

...just realized
Atop your talk page:

"Oh my! I just realized that I am biased...in favor of WP:NPOV, WP:V and WP:NOR"

Sound like you're being sarcastic, eh? Ha ha!

'''H A P P Y   H A L L O W E E N   ! !  !  ''' North America1000 16:13, 30 October 2017 (UTC)
 * Villianc.jpg


 * Love this little guy, NA1000! Can you believe how fast the years are passing? Thanksgiving, then CHRISTMAS!!! Day-em, the days are flying by! <span style="text-shadow:#F8F8FF 0.2em 0.2em 0.4em,#F4BBFF -0.2em -0.3em 0.6em,#BFFF00 0.8em 0.8em 0.6em; color:#A2006D;">Atsme 📞📧 13:31, 31 October 2017 (UTC)
 * It's passing really fast, time is passing speedy fast!! KGirl  (Wanna chat?) 13:37, 31 October 2017 (UTC)
 * Fasten your seat belt, KGirl and enjoy the ride! <span style="text-shadow:#F8F8FF 0.2em 0.2em 0.4em,#F4BBFF -0.2em -0.3em 0.6em,#BFFF00 0.8em 0.8em 0.6em; color:#A2006D;">Atsme 📞📧 13:47, 31 October 2017 (UTC)
 * lol, you mean this fast lambo? :D KGirl  (Wanna chat?) 13:51, 31 October 2017 (UTC)

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Happy Halloween!

Hello Atsme: Thanks for all of your contributions to improve Wikipedia, and have a happy and enjoyable Halloween!   –  – Davey 2010 Talk 13:38, 31 October 2017 (UTC) Send Halloween cheer by adding {{subst:Happy Halloween}} to user talk pages with a friendly message.


 * TRICK OR TREAT‼️ Where's the candy⁉️ Bwahahaha‼️ 👻SMirC-alien.svgSMirC-devil.svg Thank you, !! Hope there's an adult Halloween party you're going to where you can bob for apples in a bathtub filled with spiked punch! 😂 <span style="text-shadow:#F8F8FF 0.2em 0.2em 0.4em,#F4BBFF -0.2em -0.3em 0.6em,#BFFF00 0.8em 0.8em 0.6em; color:#A2006D;">Atsme 📞📧 13:47, 31 October 2017 (UTC)

Ah well Happy Halloween :) – Davey 2010 Talk 15:01, 31 October 2017 (UTC)
 * Oh, how sweet of you! Thank you for all the candy! Parada de Orgulho em 2008 de Nova Iorque-11.jpg I'm enjoying every byte of it! <span style="text-shadow:#F8F8FF 0.2em 0.2em 0.4em,#F4BBFF -0.2em -0.3em 0.6em,#BFFF00 0.8em 0.8em 0.6em; color:#A2006D;">Atsme 📞📧 15:18, 31 October 2017 (UTC)

Pretty in pink
I think the pink-tinted saying at the top of your talk page is the best advice about paid editing ever! --Tryptofish (talk) 15:02, 3 November 2017 (UTC)

Photoshopping
Are you an expert photoshopper? I am looking to alter this file to make it appropriate for this year's WikiCup winner, ie. with a different username, year and flag. Any chance you could help? Cwmhiraeth (talk) 11:02, 4 November 2017 (UTC)
 * Hi, Cw - yes, will be happy to help. <span style="text-shadow:#F8F8FF 0.2em 0.2em 0.4em,#F4BBFF -0.2em -0.3em 0.6em,#BFFF00 0.8em 0.8em 0.6em; color:#A2006D;">Atsme 📞📧 11:47, 4 November 2017 (UTC)
 * Great! You can see the results of this year's WikiCup here. The winner was Adityavagarwal and he chose to display the Indian flag. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 11:57, 4 November 2017 (UTC)
 * Will try to have it done for you today. <span style="text-shadow:#F8F8FF 0.2em 0.2em 0.4em,#F4BBFF -0.2em -0.3em 0.6em,#BFFF00 0.8em 0.8em 0.6em; color:#A2006D;">Atsme 📞📧 12:08, 4 November 2017 (UTC)

Ok,, will this work? The user name is longer, so had to make some width adjustments. <span style="text-shadow:#F8F8FF 0.2em 0.2em 0.4em,#F4BBFF -0.2em -0.3em 0.6em,#BFFF00 0.8em 0.8em 0.6em; color:#A2006D;">Atsme 📞📧 20:06, 4 November 2017 (UTC)


 * It's just what I wanted. Thank you. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 20:15, 4 November 2017 (UTC)
 * ☺️ Glad I could help! <span style="text-shadow:#F8F8FF 0.2em 0.2em 0.4em,#F4BBFF -0.2em -0.3em 0.6em,#BFFF00 0.8em 0.8em 0.6em; color:#A2006D;">Atsme 📞📧 21:20, 4 November 2017 (UTC)


 * Thanks a lot, Atsme and cwmhiraeth! It looks great. :) Adityavagarwal (talk) 05:31, 5 November 2017 (UTC)
 * Congratulations to you, Adityavagarwal!! Great job!! It was my pleasure to contribute what little I did to your well deserved honors. <span style="text-shadow:#F8F8FF 0.2em 0.2em 0.4em,#F4BBFF -0.2em -0.3em 0.6em,#BFFF00 0.8em 0.8em 0.6em; color:#A2006D;">Atsme 📞📧 13:42, 5 November 2017 (UTC)
 * Thanks a ton, Atsme! I am far away from an experienced editor like you, so I hope I would become a better editor and contribute even more on Wikipedia. Being honoured by veteran editors like you is really encouraging! Adityavagarwal (talk) 14:05, 5 November 2017 (UTC)

SPI
The instructions are at WP:SPI and cover most of the points I made on my Talk page. Remember, just include the master and that one IP and don't request a CU. Here is your previous (now deleted) statement, which you'll have to tailor a bit:


 * I have been relentlessly hounded by several of the above named IPs and socks as a few of the provided diffs will demonstrate, the 207.222.59.50 IP appears to be the same type of hounding but with slight variations to possibly hide who it is but the targets/patterns are the same SPA who is focused on political articles & gaming the system, targets & harasses users with whom he disagrees. This IP started editing Sept 29, 2017 to participate in a survey. Following are the diffs to support why I believe this is the same blocked user who hides behind IPs to evade his block: best to start with this exchange,, , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , ,

--Bbb23 (talk) 15:29, 6 December 2017 (UTC)

Charmayne James GA review in progress
Hi Atsme! We finally have some progress on the GA review. Could you help me out a tiny bit with one of the reviewer's questions? See Talk:Charmayne James. They have said the following about the Career earnings section.

"This section looks like an indiscriminate list to me, unless you could explain how this is relevant."

I'd like to add content to describe the list as accurately as possible in the correct ProRodeo terminology. Who better to do that? I am not sure how to explain it between the NFR and the WPRA involvement, or if that matters.

This is exciting it's here as it's my first one...Thanks again for getting me here! :) dawnleelynn (talk) 22:45, 6 November 2017 (UTC)

What I actually came here to say
About your RfC: You were prevented by WP:Neutrality from putting your argument ("if the president says something, that means it isn't classified") into the questions themselves. That's as it should be. But that doesn't stop you from putting your argument into the discussion section. Without that explanation, it isn't even really clear what you are asking or why. Explain it in the the discussion section, as briefly and pointedly as you can. Note: This suggestion is made in pure good will and because I actually do want people to understand, and evaluate, the point you are trying to make. See you there. --MelanieN (talk) 03:59, 8 November 2017 (UTC)
 * Very much appreciated. Will do, but as you may have noticed, brevity is not my friend, no matter how hard I try.<span style="text-shadow:#F8F8FF 0.2em 0.2em 0.4em,#F4BBFF -0.2em -0.3em 0.6em,#BFFF00 0.8em 0.8em 0.6em; color:#A2006D;">Atsme 📞📧 04:56, 8 November 2017 (UTC)

Speedy deletion nomination of Zar je važno da l' se peva ili pjeva? World Tour
So I really do not know why you did it ...? Tour Was it just published, and there are no more dates than these. I'll soon add a picture. I very closely follow the work of Lepa Brena, I am her fan. So I think it's really not right to register a page for deletion. Brena will soon release a new album, so this whole story will expand as well as the tour of course. I'm asking you to delete this request to delete the page, because there is no reason to do so. thank you. Maja Polovina (talk) 16:28, 8 November 2017 (UTC)

PSA Tour
There was a problem with the formatting of the nomination for deletion. I have fixed the problem; you can find the new version of the nomination at Articles for deletion/PSA Tour (2nd nomination). --Metropolitan90 (talk) 04:35, 9 November 2017 (UTC)
 * Thank you! <span style="text-shadow:#F8F8FF 0.2em 0.2em 0.4em,#F4BBFF -0.2em -0.3em 0.6em,#BFFF00 0.8em 0.8em 0.6em; color:#A2006D;">Atsme 📞📧 04:36, 9 November 2017 (UTC)