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Lithuanian National Radio and Television
You commented your revision: ''We don't use programs to mean that, it's a Radio station /TV station or TV channel. A program is what is made that people watch.'' I have questions: My usage of the word "Programme" is based on: Please reply here. Please, also, in future follow the procedure described in BOLD, revert, discuss cycle. Thank you. - JohnnyWiki (talk) 01:12, 7 September 2012 (UTC)
 * We - who?
 * What's your reference to the claim that "We don't use programs to mean that"?
 * Wikipedia's definition of "Radio station".
 * Oxford distionary's of current English (1973) definition of "Station" as "place, building, etc. in which somebody or something is, or is placed".
 * Oxford distionary's definition of "Program(me)" as "list of items, events, etc. (e.g. for a concert, or to be broadcast for radio or television, or for a sports meeting)".
 * World Radio TV Handbook's usage of the word "Programme" for the purpose I used it.


 * - The term "we" may be referring to the "wikipedia we", or more commonly known as the "Majestic plural". And I have to agree with AxG's a programme is what people watch.  A TV station/Radio station would be the correct terminology.  And I think you may have misinterpreted the definitions of "programme" from the Oxford English Dictionary.  English is a very complexed language, as we have words that hold so many definitions, as well as words that are spelt differently but sound the same (for example: were, where, and wear).  If you look at this online dictionary the sixth definition for "station" reads "An establishment equipped for radio or television transmission."  Also the third definition as shown on the Oxford online dictionary states "a company involved in broadcasting of a specified kind: a radio station".  Like you rightfully pointed out, a station is a building.  But its a building where a specified activity or service is held.  So in this case, radio and television are the activities based in a "station".  Hope this helps to clear up any confusion.   Wesley   Mouse  01:25, 7 September 2012 (UTC)


 * So why here the same things are called "services" and not "stations"? - JohnnyWiki (talk) 01:45, 7 September 2012 (UTC)
 * From the online dictionaries I see that "station" is either a company or an establishment. None of these apply to my case. Again, in LBC: is LBC 97.3 a company or an establishment? Is LBC News 1152 a company or an establishment? - JohnnyWiki (talk) 01:53, 7 September 2012 (UTC)


 * That's the complexity of the English language I'm afraid. Thankfully I know a friend who works at LBC so should be able to answer this one better.  LBC Radio is a company name, which has two radio stations LBC 97.3 and LBC News 1152.  If you check both of those articles they refer to them as stations.  But for the sake of the parent article LBC, we (as in Wikipedians) may list them as services belonging to a company, but we could also list them as "stations" too.  And again, you appear to be getting the definitions mixed up here.  I've studied Lexicography, a station is a building where a specified activity or service is held.  For the sake of the article you are relating to, Lithuanian National Radio and Television is a company that comprises of a radio and television network.  The specified building they are based within is called a "station".  In English we commonly refer to such companies as "radio or TV stations".  A programme (as stated by Oxford English Dictionary)is an item broadcast between stated times on radio or television.   Wesley   Mouse  01:59, 7 September 2012 (UTC)


 * I've just corrected the LBC article as the section header "Current services" is a little vague and ambiguous. Stations would be the correct header for that particular section as it contains the names of the two radio stations owned by LBC.   Wesley   Mouse  02:04, 7 September 2012 (UTC)


 * Also, company/establishment mean the same thing in English. A company is a commercial business; an establishment is a business organization.  Notice the common definition between both of those words - they are businesses.   Wesley   Mouse  02:08, 7 September 2012 (UTC)


 * I see you put emphasis on "building" while I'd like to understand the "company" part. Oxford English Dictionary says that station is a company, based on this please explain whether LBC 97.3 and LBC News 1152 are separate companies with LBC as parent company? - JohnnyWiki (talk) 08:50, 7 September 2012 (UTC)
 * Please note that in my case LRT Radijas, LRT Klasika and LRT Opus are not companies, nor are they located in different buildings. - JohnnyWiki (talk) 08:51, 7 September 2012 (UTC)


 * I'm starting to have concerns here, as you have on your user page that you hold a near native knowledge of the English language. Yet you are showing signs here that you clearly are not understanding that some words in the English language hold so many definitions and meanings.  This is also more evident in the fact that you also asked on my talk page why I have listed Isle of Man as being part of the United Kingdom.  Considering I was born in the United Kingdom, and of British nationality, plus the fact I have lived in the UK for 32 of my 33 years - I think I have an outstanding knowledge of the British Georgraphy and English language.
 * I use the emphasis to make specific words (the words to which you question) stand out more. It is better then to bold or underline them.  As I have previously explained to you, a company/establishment are the same thing.  They are words relating to a business.  Even though both of the online dictionaries use either company or establishment in their definitions, they are basically stating that they are businesses.  You used LBC as an example - LBC is the overall business name, which makes them also a company/establishment.  However, LBC also have two radio stations/channels.  Even though they are based in the same building, it makes both of those radio channels 'stations'.  Take for example the BBC.  BBC is the overall company, which has smaller departments within them, such as BBC 1; BBC 2; BBC 3; BBC Radio 1; BBC Radio 2 etc.  Each of those are BBC Stations, which are part of the BBC corporation.  ITV is another example, they have ITV 1, ITV 2, then there are ITV Granada, ITV Wales etc.  ITV is the larger corporation which consists of smaller broadcasting departments and regional departments.
 * Now in your case you mention LRT Radijas, LRT Klasika and LRT Opus. Nobody has said they are different companies, nor has anyone stipulated they are located in different buildings.  The fact of the matter is LRT is the larger business (also known as the parent business) which comprises of smaller departments (more commonly known as stations).  LRT Radijas, LRT Klasika and LRT Opus are stations which belong to LRT.   Wesley   Mouse  11:50, 7 September 2012 (UTC)
 * Thanks for your help Wes, however yet again the user has changed 'Stations' to 'Programme services', and quite frankly don't understand it. LRT Televizija is a television channel/station, with LRT Radijas a radio station. --  [[ axg  ◉  talk   ]] 13:10, 7 September 2012 (UTC)

You're welcome AxG. I am quite concerned though as the user has stated they have a near-native understanding of the English language. If that be the case then someone with near-native skills wouldn't need to be asking for clarification on word definitions. He has quoted definitions from a dictionary dated 1973. We're now 39 years on from that, and the Oxford English Dictionary has been updated every year since with new definitions, new words etc. There is clearly confusing and a lack of understand of the English language and its complexity of definitions, that I personally starting to get frustrated with it all. And not only that, but to also check my own user space and then question me as to why I have listed Isle of Man as being United Kingdom. What has that got to do with the user? I'm British, and yet my nationalistic knowledge is being questioned by a user who isn't even British.  Wesley  Mouse </b> 15:11, 7 September 2012 (UTC)

I have just looked up the word station on Wikipedia's very own dictionary site, Wiktionary. They too have station definitions that mention buildings or stopping places (such as bus station, railway station). And then definitions 10 and 111 both explicitly state "a place used for broadcasting" (for example, I used to work at a radio station) and "a broadcasting entity" (for example, I used to listen to that radio station). <b style="background:black"> Wesley  Mouse </b> 15:46, 7 September 2012 (UTC)


 * My reliable sources are World Radio TV Handbook and UK Broadcasting Act (Section 46(1) defines it as "programme service", btw). What are yours, apart from Wiktionary's "station"? - JohnnyWiki (talk) 19:16, 7 September 2012 (UTC)
 * I can't believe you're asking for sources, on something that is common knowledge as this‽ Some questions for you to answer; 'What would you call BBC Radio 1, or RTÉ Radio One or CBC Radio 1?' --  [[ axg  ◉  talk   ]] 22:04, 7 September 2012 (UTC)


 * Well Johnny's choice of "reliable sources" says it all really. One of them is a booklet of TV listings covering all TV/Radio channels around the world.  The other is a British Act of Law which sets legal guidelines for TV/Radio Stations in regards to programme broadcasting.  This user is getting sources completely confused and this is worrying and boardline disruptiveness too.  He also used a definition from a dictionary that is almost 39 years out of date.  We're in 2012, not 1973 - so use the definition in the modern Oxford English Dictionary please.  Oh hang on, I actually provided the definition for the words using the modern Oxford Dictionary!!!  I also provided definitions from other dictionaries which all stated the same thing as the Oxford one.  And then I provide the link to Wikitionary for the same words - and to no surprise that too collaborates the same definitions as the previous two.  And then there are the two WikiProjects for Radio and Television - they too define them as Radio/TV  stations .  Now what part can we not understand here?  <b style="background:black"> Wesley   Mouse </b> 11:09, 8 September 2012 (UTC)


 * Even other articles on Wikipedia refer to a Radio/Television network as stations.
 * Radio broadcasting - This article mentions the term 'radio station' a multitude of times, and provides a clear definition of what a 'radio station' is.
 * Television station - Oh look this article also states "a television station is a business, organisation or other enterprise, such as an amateur television (ATV) operator, that transmits (broadcasts) content over terrestrial television".
 * Television network - This too states "A television network is a telecommunications network for distribution of television program content, whereby a central operation provides programming to many television stations or pay TV providers". Notice it mentions a TV station provide programme content.  When a programme is aired to the general public via a TV screen that TV network/station is providing a service - which is what the Broadcasting Act 1990 means by License programme services.  A television network is required by law to license any content they wish to produce in order for it to be legally transmitted.
 * The Broadcasting Act 1990, replaced the Television Act 1954. Prior to the 1990 Act, the United Kingdom only had four television networks, BBC One, BBC Two, ITV, and Channel 4, and the law prevented a fifth television network being transmitted.  When the new Broadcasting Act came into legislation it meant the old law was relaxed and that a fifth channel could be created - shortly after Channel 5 begin to transmit programmes on its new station.  <b style="background:black"> Wesley   Mouse </b> 13:16, 8 September 2012 (UTC)

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ABU TV Song Festivals 2012
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Remember when you fixed the logo for the ABU Radio Song Festivals 2012? Well the logo for the TV Festival is now available. Any chance you could sort this one out for me too, when you get a spare moment. I'm thinking of adding it into the main article itself, rather than in the infobox as the Radio Contest logo is in there. Or we could use the main ABU Seoul 2012 logo for the infobox, and then thumbnail the Radio and TV logos into the main article for the respective festivals. Wesley ♦Mouse 21:23, 29 September 2012 (UTC)

You're a star! Thank you. Wesley ♦Mouse 21:54, 29 September 2012 (UTC)


 * Sorry to be a pain in the rear-end. Cooper has directed me this way regarding new participations maps for the ABU contests.  The page in its current format is starting to become complexed, and there's more details being published that may cause it to become incomprehensible to even the biggest of fans.  So we're looking into splitting the article into ABU Radio and ABU TV.  But was wondering if you'd be able to set up a participation map for the Asia-Pacific region?  The original one I found doesn't have Vanuatu or Fiji showing on it, so it could be a case of making a new one.  Thank you in advance.   Wesley ♦Mouse 15:07, 4 October 2012 (UTC)


 * Thank you for doing that for me AxG, much appreciated. We have a problem though, 1) for some reason when I add the maps to the article infoboxes nothing happens.  2) The move for TV map has gone a bit tits-up and been moved to the file name which contained the TV logo, and thus the map has vanished.   Wesley ♦Mouse 19:08, 4 October 2012 (UTC)

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Please remember to assume good faith when dealing with other editors, which you did not do on 2012 Summer Olympics. Thank you. ''The edit that the user made is not vandalism; it was a good-faith edit. Please consider being more careful with your rollback priveliges next time.'' Interlude 65  (Push to talk) 17:35, 31 December 2012 (UTC)
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Hi AxG, as this information is missing from the description, did you create (render) File:2018 Winter Olympics logo.svg out of File:Pyeongchang 2018 Olympic official emblem.gif? --Túrelio (talk) 08:41, 22 May 2013 (UTC)
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Quick question if I may. I've took it upon myself to do some major improvements to all the OGAE-related articles. Already the main OGAE one is completed, but the infobox looks as if it is missing something (can't quite put my finger on what). As I know that you're an expert on those pesky things, I was wondering if I should be using the "organisation" infobox on that article or would it be better to create one similar to the Infobox Eurovision and store the template on the project page? Plus, I'm going to start re-writing the other OGAE articles including the Second Chance Contest ones. Do you think a participation map for each of the contests would be a good idea? IF so, should we stylise them like we have for the Eurovision maps. And I'm also considering if we should include Second Chance information on the respective [Country] in the Eurovision Song Contest [year] articles too. I value your views on these matters. Regards, Wesley ♦ Mouse  14:25, 4 June 2013 (UTC)
 * Well I'm no expert in the OGAE side of Eurovision, the OGAE article is looking great, I think Infobox organisation works well and matches the EBU one, it does have a field for a map though. The Second Chance contests can use the same style of maps used for the ESC for consistency. As for the inclusion of the Second Chance information, I have no problem with this. --  [[ axg ◉  talk   ]] 15:54, 4 June 2013 (UTC)

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Templates for ABU Festivals
Sorry to bother you AxG,

I've been trying to figure out how to make Esc and ESCYr style templates specifically for ABU Song Festivals, but I'm getting baffled at the complexity of them. What I thought may be simple seems to be more difficult than I anticipated. So I was wondering, when you get a spare moment, if you would be able to teach me the complex syntax for these, or maybe create them on my behalf. The templates could do with being adaptable for Radio and TV Festivals, now that those contests seem to be a regular thing. Thanks AxG, Wesley ♦ Mouse  18:07, 16 June 2013 (UTC)


 * Regarding names, probably something along the same lines as ESC and ESCYr. Which would be ABU, and instead of j=Junior (as in ESC ones), maybe have r=Radio (for ABU Radio) and t-TV (for ABU TV).   Wesley ♦ Mouse  22:02, 16 June 2013 (UTC)