User talk:Bencherlite/Archive 6

Re:FLC overload?
See this potential featured topic :p — sephiroth bcr  ( converse ) 14:45, 20 October 2008 (UTC)
 * No need for a ref column. Use this as a general reference and reference specific parts of the table if needed. — sephiroth bcr  ( converse ) 14:50, 20 October 2008 (UTC)

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Thanks
I was just about to message you to say thanks for blocking those two accounts, and then you messaged me! Anyway, thanks, and I suspect that I will be needing more help with blocking. If they are as persistent as getting around username blocks as they were with IP hopping, it could take a while. I have a long vandal list that has a string of IPs on that all adopted the same vandalism patterns, both in articles attacked and the method of that attack. I don't know enough about IP addresses to spot a pattern to know if a range block would do any good. --Ged UK (talk) 10:39, 22 October 2008 (UTC)


 * It is mainly that article, or any of his co-'star's on Eggheads (TV series), but he's occaisionally gone after Sherborne or Sherborne Abbey which I've edited, and a few others, but Hughes is the main one. --Ged UK (talk) 11:16, 22 October 2008 (UTC)


 * Thanks --Ged UK (talk) 11:40, 22 October 2008 (UTC)


 * Just to let you know, User:BonerGed has requested an unblock, with a rather amusing effort at a reason. Anyway, I don't know how admins are notified of such things, so I thought i'd mention it just in case. --Ged UK (talk) 21:16, 23 October 2008 (UTC)


 * Now User:TurdGed has appeared, around the same time that BonerGed requested an unblock. No edits as yet. I've asked for a block at the usernames for admin attention page. --Ged UK (talk) 21:58, 23 October 2008 (UTC)

New section
Thanks for answering me and being helpful! —Preceding unsigned comment added by Rockergurl92 (talk • contribs) 00:44, 23 October 2008 (UTC)

P. T. Rajan
On performing a prolonged Google search, I was able to find that P. T. Rajan graduated in history from Jesus College, Oxford. I am not able to determine the year of graduation with any certainity. All I could find is that as early as February 1911, P. T. Rajan had applied for Trinity College, Oxford and his candidature had been rejected by the President, H. E. D. Blakiston following which he joined Jesus College. The Oxford University Calendar for the year 1927 mentions "P. T. Rajan - (BA) Jesus College - 1915" in a list on a page 802 but I am not sure. I am looking for more sources- Ravichandar My coffee shop 06:52, 31 October 2008 (UTC)

Deletion review for Category:College radio stations in Oregon
An editor has asked for a deletion review of Category:College radio stations in Oregon. Since you closed the deletion discussion for this page, speedy-deleted it, or otherwise were interested in the page, you might want to participate in the deletion review. Kbdank71 17:18, 31 October 2008 (UTC)

List of Wilfrid Laurier University people
What needs to be done before the article meets the FL criteria? I'll exhaust as many options as possible and add as many alumni and faculty as I can find, but surely it will never be completely comprehensive so I won't be able to ever argue that it is. Gary King ( talk ) 21:11, 1 November 2008 (UTC)

No content in Category:Barbadian classical musicians by instrument
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William Wroth
Yes, certainly a little over-categorised. But I'd suggest reinstating Category:Christianity in Wales unless you could suggest an existing category which encompasses better the historical development of Non-conformism than do Category:Christianity in Wales, Category:Welsh theologians and (particularly) Category:Welsh Anglican priests. In fact this last one, although factual, seems a little ironic. Thanks. Martinevans123 (talk) 20:49, 3 November 2008 (UTC)

DYK for William David Davies
Hi Bench! Welcome back :) Gatoclass (talk) 11:39, 8 November 2008 (UTC)

John Salusbury
The one who died in 1762 was not a baronet. The 4th Baronet died in 1684. I've moved the article of the Nova Scotia one to John Salusbury (diarist). I'll look at the article history to see how the misinformation got in. Choess (talk) 18:59, 9 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Well, the error was in the original version of the article, so it's hardly your fault. Glad I could help. Choess (talk) 00:20, 11 November 2008 (UTC)

The 25 DYK Medal
 Congratulations! Keep up the great work. Cheers. Geaugagrrl ☎    05:24, 10 November 2008 (UTC)


 * Thanks, folks. It took me a while, but I got there... BencherliteTalk 20:53, 10 November 2008 (UTC)

Christopher Hughes
Hi Would you consider semi protecting Christopher Hughes? The vandalism was completely stopped during the month it was semi protected starting 21 September 2008 (not sure if he went somewhere else during that time though). Cheers, Amalthea Talk 15:19, 11 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Thanks. -- Amalthea Talk 16:06, 11 November 2008 (UTC)

Your DYK submission
Hello! Your submission at the Did You Know nominations page has been reviewed. There still are some issues that may need to be clarified. Please review the comment(s) underneath and respond there as soon as possible. Thank you for contributing to Did You Know! &mdash;Politizer talk / contribs 16:04, 11 November 2008 (UTC)

Jan Pietrzak
in Wikipedia you can find pages about James Byrd case, or Jena Six. There is little coverage about racist assoult of Jan Pietrzak and Quiana Jenkins, but the case is on the raise. It is controversial case for many and a public issue, so give it a chance to developed the article. The couple was killed by 4 black men from the same marines corpse and the true motive might have been racial hatred. JAn Pietrzak was white and his wife black... —Preceding unsigned comment added by Soul23 (talk • contribs) 01:23, 12 November 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for the support!
Thanks for supporting my successful Rfa! Hope to work with you more in the future!--Aervanath lives in the Orphanage 19:52, 15 November 2008 (UTC)

Your DYK submission
Hello! Your submission at the Did You Know nominations page has been reviewed. There still are some issues that may need to be clarified. Please review the comment(s) underneath and respond there as soon as possible. Thank you for contributing to Did You Know! &mdash;Politizer talk / contribs 06:58, 16 November 2008 (UTC)

A Year!
Time flies when you're having fun grafting on WP :) Pedro : Chat  12:50, 17 November 2008 (UTC)
 * No comments - that's a good thing! Keep up the good work.  Royal broil  13:27, 17 November 2008 (UTC)

Recent DYK's on the Welsh Wikipedian's NB
Some great additions, but the one which says; links to a dissambig. page. Do you know which of the two Gwilym Davies' it was (if indeed it is one of the two listed)?--Rhyswynne (talk) 15:36, 17 November 2008 (UTC)
 * that Gwilym Davies was the first person to broadcast in Welsh, on Saint David's Day in 1923
 * Actually, having looked at both their D.O.B., one wasn't even born in 1923, and the other was only 10 years old!--Rhyswynne (talk) 15:38, 17 November 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for the Recognition
Dear Bencherlite, I did want to thank you, both for recognizing my attempt at wit, here, and for taking the time to show your appreciation. Thanks for bringing this Anglophile Yank a smile. Kja er (talk) 04:43, 18 November 2008 (UTC)

RE: It's been a year...
Hey there, thanks for your message. How the time does fly.

I don't get to edit much these days, as most of my wikitime has always been spent reading and then editing; alas, most of my editing time has been gone for a while though I log in for an hour every day.

So thanks for your continued good work, you are certainly doing a fine job. Keep it up, and happy editing to you.

Keegan talk 05:05, 18 November 2008 (UTC)

List of Wilfrid Laurier University people
Hey, I've spent a few more days doing research for the list and have just expanded it today. It has more people now, and the biggest addition is the list of honorary degree recipients. What do you think? Gary King ( talk ) 22:07, 20 November 2008 (UTC)
 * The number of columns that the references have is actually determined by the width of your browser; it appears as three for you, I assume. For most people it will appear as two; this resolves the problems associated with a list of references with three columns at all times. I'll probably bring the list to FLC in an hour or so from this post. Thanks for looking it over! Gary King  ( talk ) 15:35, 21 November 2008 (UTC)

Private Eye
Hiya, thanks for the banner ;) Yes, that is the right photo - such a glorious building... DWaterson (talk) 17:58, 9 January 2009 (UTC)

Nigel Hamilton
I don't know what other articles redirect to Nigel Hamilton (civil servant). I moved the article because it actually contained a reference to the other Nigel Hamilton whose article I am finishing up. Arguably, the author is far more notable and should be entitled to the entire Nigel Hamilton with the other guy being found through the disambig page. But I really don't foresee having the time to fix every link. You can if you wish to do so. Sorry. Ip208man (talk) 04:04, 11 January 2009 (UTC)

Talk:Albert Einstein
Thank you for restoring the talk page. However, that version still has the underage poster's personal info at the end of it. I had thought Todd was in process of deleting the whole page and then restoring it MINUS THAT INFO. Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? 13:55, 14 January 2009 (UTC)
 * OK, the large size of the page was probably the stumbling block. And I'm assuming that the oversight committee could get rid of the pertinent specific history records? I'm not trying to go overboard on this, but it continually amazes me that kids from one generation to the next think that nothing bad could ever happen to them. A trait of youth that's probably as old as mankind. Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? 14:02, 14 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Thanks for your discretion. Best of intent... Toddst1 (talk) 14:55, 14 January 2009 (UTC)

CSD Review
Ok, here we go: Over all you do better than most... and way better than some, but there are a few places where you've used the incorrect rationale. A little too frequently for my tastes. There is also the one case which should not have been speedily deleted. I give zero credence to the argument that it would have been deleted via AFD/PROD, therefore I'm just saving time, and invoking WP:IAR. The policies and guidelines were put in place for a reason and as a part of the consensus building of the project. They are there to ensure that people don't go rogue and to give authors the benefit of the doubt. When it comes to CSD, I am an inclusionist (when it comes to AfD, I'm a deletionist.) The difference is that at AfD, the author has a chance to make a case and to try to salvage the article. Most admins won't delete an article at AfD where somebody is making a concerted effort to save it (at least until the AFD period is up.)--- Balloonman  PoppaBalloon CSD Survey Results 04:15, 16 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Ha ha ha, typical Bosnian cuisine: Lobster, Hamburge, Stawberry dessert... You deleted this per G1, it really isn't G1 because it doesn't fit the criteria for WP:Nonsense. It is not so completely and irredeemably confused that no reasonable person can be expected to make any sense of it whatsoever.  Now, it might fit A1, because it is a short article, but the subject is identifiable, but I wouldn't quibble if it were deleted A1.  Probably the best rationale would be G3, vandalism.  You could possibly make an argument that it is G10, intended to be a slight against Bosnian food.  I would justify that via the Ha ha ha at the start. EDIT: You are correct, you did delete it G10, I misread it or read the way it was tagged initially, my apologies.--- Balloonman  PoppaBalloon CSD Survey Results 15:51, 16 January 2009 (UTC)
 * You deleted an article about a college football player as A7. There are some who would argue that college football players are notable... plus, the article doesn't have to prove notability, but make an assertion of importance/significance and his stats could be that assertion.  The article could, however be deleted as G10---a copyvio!  You might even be able to argue that it is vandalism, notice how in the copy vio the name of the founder was changed.
 * You deleted an article as A7 on a kid, who At age 11, Drew was arrested for unintentional man slaughter. This is a claim to importance/significance.  Notice how A7 explicitly calls for a lower level notability than WP:N/[{WP:BIO]].  I would, however, delete this under G10.  An article claiming that an 11 year old killed somebody better have a source.
 * You deleted an article titled "life of a patriot" which had the following contents The life of a patriot is patriotish!!!! You did so as G3, which is OK.  It could have also been deleted as A3, but I won't quible with G3, just pointing out that this fits A3 perfectly: a rephrasing of the title, attempts to correspond with the person or group named by its title.
 * This page makes numerous claims to importance/significance. 1) received the prestigious performer's certificate  2) performed with numerous professional organizations 3) a board member ...  for the Leonard Falcone International Euphonium and Tuba Solo Competition 4) principal tubist with the Rochester Philharmonic 5) has performed in most of the major concert halls in the United States, Germany, and Japan 6) And lists 8 recordings on which he can be heard.  Is he worthy of an article?  Probably not, would probably be deleted via AFD.  A7: A7 does not apply to any article that makes any credible claim of significance or importance even if the claim is not supported by a reliable source. (Emphasis in policy!)  This article should not have been CSD'd.  It was tagged 1 minute after creation and you deleted it 16 minutes later.  This is the type of article that I could see somebody working on and not realizing that it was deleted until they went to save it.
 * You deleted this as G1:Patent Nonsense. It is not G1.  First, it doesn't fit the definition for WP:Nonsense.  You can read it and make sense of what it is saying.  Thus, it is probably a hoax, vandalism, fictious material, or an implausible theory.  Well, what does G1 have to say about that?  Gq explicitly excludes, vandalism, fictional material, material not in English, poorly translated material, implausible theories, or hoaxes.  This is deletable under G3 as Vandalism as it posits a few obvious pieces of misinformation:  That he invented electricty and was the campaign manager for Abe Lincoln, and that he was brought into the US after 1808.  1808 is when it became illegal to import new slaves.

Vettaikaran
Why did you deleted Vettaikaran page ! That film really exist ! If you cancelled it, there won`t be page for the film !

--- Thulasi12345  talk 03:32, 20 January 2009 (UTC)

Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents continuation
actually did attribute the source of the page he or she copied over into article space (look at the bottom of the page as of the first edit). In light of that, you may want to attenuate the message you sent him or her somewhat, specifically the bit about copyright violation. Thanks. --Dynaflow  babble  03:33, 22 January 2009 (UTC)

Thanks
Thanks for that, You don't mind if i help deal with Page Protection. I'm not a sysop, but i can still help to check vandalism levels on pages and help sysops to deal with Protection requests. Regards.  Ar ct ic   F ox   11:05, 22 January 2009 (UTC)

I fail
No that was me. I use that name aswell on a different wiki and forgot. Just move it to User:Arctic Fox/committed identity.  Ar ct ic   F ox   11:19, 22 January 2009 (UTC)

Deadness
Hey! I'm still hanging on to life, amazingly, though I think I've forgotten pretty much everything I used to know about Wikipedia (sigh). I haven't had ready computer access for the past year or so now, but now I'm staying in a friend's flat for a week while he's in Africa, and I entertained the idea of taking advantage of being out of the stone age to do a few articles. Hopefully I'll be able to re-learn...

How've you been? It seems you've made quite a lot of progress! Congratulations on the adminship, and the load of new content. CA387Talk 23:34, 24 January 2009 (UTC)

FLC: Helen Rollason Award
Thanks for your comments at Featured list candidates/BBC Sports Personality of the Year Helen Rollason Award. I believe I have answered all you queries, please let me know if my replies are not satisfactory or if you have any more comments. Many thanks, Rambo's Revenge (talk)  23:34, 25 January 2009 (UTC)

Re:The dog got it
The reflection of that kid's face over the dog's rear is fairly surreal. Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? 02:04, 27 January 2009 (UTC)

Prod/afd
Cool, thanks for the info on that. So what's the difference between a 'prod' and an 'afd'? I've never delved into the procedure for deleting things and am curious as to how it works. Thanks! DP 76764 (Talk) 22:22, 4 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Great info, thanks! Happy editing =)  DP 76764  (Talk) 22:39, 4 February 2009 (UTC)

User:Bencherlite/sockpuppetwelcome
I cannot believe you actually have a dedicated welcome template for them… –  iride scent  00:46, 5 February 2009 (UTC)

Deleted contribs
Thanks for sending them. I was rather curious what they were.  Grsz 11 Review 01:22, 5 February 2009 (UTC)

Possible sock
Hi, I think this user maybe a sock of the IP you just blocked. It is a vandalism only account nonetheless. Best --DFS454 (talk) 15:10, 5 February 2009 (UTC)

Summa cum laude
Summa cum laude is the 'american equivalent' and is so indicated in his biography. its inclusion is appropriate. --emerson7 19:48, 5 February 2009 (UTC)

AfD nomination of Jonathan Edwards (archdeacon)
I have nominated Jonathan Edwards (archdeacon), an article that you created, for deletion. I do not think that this article satisfies Wikipedia's criteria for inclusion, and have explained why at Articles for deletion/Jonathan Edwards (archdeacon). Your opinions on the matter are welcome at that same discussion page; also, you are welcome to edit the article to address these concerns. Thank you for your time. MrShamrock (talk) 23:11, 9 February 2009 (UTC)

Category: Academics of the Royal Academy of Music
Hello, can I draw your attention to this discussion regarding the inappropriate use of this category for non-academics? Best wishes, Millstream3 (talk) 21:02, 10 February 2009 (UTC)

Thanks
Thanks for moving my comments to the correct page - I had too many pages open at once, so took me a while to notice.Yobmod (talk) 14:55, 11 February 2009 (UTC)

Thanks
Thanks for the assist! – ukexpat (talk) 15:22, 12 February 2009 (UTC)

Thanks
Thank you very much for moving my article to the "main" area.Volvera215 (talk) 16:25, 12 February 2009 (UTC)

Bencherlite, this template needs to stay!
The Bishop of Croydon is a significant figure in the established Church of the United Kingdom. This is not a template which ought to be removed. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Bashereyre (talk • contribs) 19:46, 12 February 2009
 * Replied on your talk page; didn't bother putting this, though – (a) the CofE is not the established Church of the United Kingdom (Wales, Scotland and Northern Ireland all manage to cope with the CofE) and (b) the Bish of Croydon (the current holder and the institutional position) is no more "significant" than any of the multitude of suffragan bishops that the CofE seems to need these days. Hands up all those Anglicans who live in the Diocese of Southwark and who can name him without checking? I do, and I can't! (c) If you create two templates for exactly the same job – Bishop of Croydon and Bishops of Croydon – then the unused one will have to go. Oh, and sign your posts please. BencherliteTalk 20:07, 12 February 2009 (UTC)

Sorry and Thanks
Sorry for creating that page on Eamonn Dowd. I've had a change of heart and decided to help improve Wikipedia. Thanks for giving me a second chance. --elliot25 22:24, 12 February 2009 (UTC)

Bencherlite, this template needs to go!
Re: Template for Bishops of Croydon. Had not realised I had created it twice. You are correct. I stand corrected Bashereyre (talk) 19:47, 13 February 2009 (UTC)

DYK for Joseph Keble
--Dravecky (talk) 19:46, 17 February 2009 (UTC)

Featured list candidates/List of African American United States Cabinet Secretaries
I have replied to your comments on this FLC, could you take a look? Thanks— Chris!  c t 03:34, 21 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Your comments are now addressed, thanks— Chris!  c t 20:17, 21 February 2009 (UTC)

DYK for William Rider
Shubinator (talk) 01:28, 23 February 2009 (UTC)

Advice
I'm looking to become more active, and although I have done a lot of Anti Vandalism stuff, I am lacking real quality mainspace edits. Any advice on writing articles/adding to them? Also, anything else I should work on. I have an editor review you could post on I guess... Thanks Red Skunk talk  02:52, 26 February 2009 (UTC)

John Evans
Depends - how much are you willing to pay me?

We could always ask Evans... (sorry). --User:AlbertHerring Io son l'orecchio e tu la bocca: parla! 00:18, 3 March 2009 (UTC)


 * True...not all doom and gloom. Some of it's quite light and gay, even... --User:AlbertHerring Io son l'orecchio e tu la bocca: parla! 00:30, 3 March 2009 (UTC)


 * Assuming it doesn't come back to haunt you. --User:AlbertHerring Io son l'orecchio e tu la bocca: parla! 00:34, 3 March 2009 (UTC)


 * In which case you risk being frozen out, as it were. --User:AlbertHerring Io son l'orecchio e tu la bocca: parla! 00:39, 3 March 2009 (UTC)


 * So does that mean I get to be king for a day? Or must I remain a work in progress?


 * 'night! --User:AlbertHerring Io son l'orecchio e tu la bocca: parla! 00:47, 3 March 2009 (UTC)

You Forgot
Eh, you forgot to review me. No worries, but please get around to it.

Thanks, Red Skunk talk  02:55, 9 March 2009 (UTC)

DYK for Robert Gentilis
--Dravecky (talk) 02:35, 16 March 2009 (UTC)

Image review
Firstly I'd like to apologise for holding up this FLC with an image review, but there was a request for one. Personally, the whole image issue annoys me and having it all managed out of our hands (Commons) doesn't help. Anyway I have commented on one to try and explain where I was coming from. Best wishes,  Rambo's   Revenge   (How am I doing?)   10:19, 23 March 2009 (UTC)

DRV
Please reopen the 2nd wrangler category and allow someone to close it on the arguments presented there. Otherwise we will go through the whole business again on a DRV for both. Occuli (talk) 14:26, 23 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Thanks for your request to reopen the debate and let someone else close the discussion, but I decline. BencherliteTalk 14:27, 23 March 2009 (UTC) 
 * I shall be opening a DRV on both the wrangler categories as soon as I work out how to do it.  Trust this is of sufficient courtesy. Occuli (talk) 01:33, 24 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Open at DRV. Occuli (talk) 03:12, 24 March 2009 (UTC)

Warning Drewsox1918...
Dang, you beat me to it by a second or two... and on the T:MP revert. I thing there should be a standardised template for 'creating' non-notable articles outside of article space, I can't find on on the WP:UTM list integrated into TW's warn button though. Thanks. —Vanderdecken∴ ∫ξφ 16:04, 23 March 2009 (UTC)

Re:USMA Astronauts
Okay, great. As well, would you mind taking another look at the criteria discussion at WT:WIAFL? There is a proposal with some support and I would like to get as many opinions on it as possible. Thanks, Scorpion <sup style="color:black;">0422  21:25, 25 March 2009 (UTC)

Royal Victorian Chain Query
I was looking the Orders and Medals Project talk page and found your old message. I figured you might not notice the reply I just added so I thought I should come here. Any way...

This is probably too late but an excellent book is Royal Orders by Hugo Vickers it is available on the internet and at some libraries. It contains a chapter on the award, containing details on recipients as well as a series of sections on the awards to many members of the royal family, those with the RV Chain will have the year mentioned as well. That's all I know of 95jb14 (talk) 15:11, 27 March 2009 (UTC)

Thanks
– Juliancolton  | Talk 18:22, 27 March 2009 (UTC)

Resource request
Hey, are you still looking for this? I can try to get it this week. Someguy1221 (talk) 16:55, 30 March 2009 (UTC)

New FL criteria discussion: Final phase
Hello, I think we've hammered out a good revised Featured List criteria here. If this passes, there will be quite a few FLs (my estimate is somewhere between 60 and 75) that could soon be delisted just because of 3b. With that in mind, I'd like to get comments and opinions from all FLC regulars and everyone else who has participated in the discussion before it's implemented. Thanks, Scorpion <sup style="color:black;">0422  17:38, 31 March 2009 (UTC)

Tab royally shoed
Yes, I saw that. It is without doubt an excellent list and I'll be the first (okay, maybe the second) to support when you bring it back with the additional chaps. Good luck. The Rambling Man (talk) 21:43, 31 March 2009 (UTC)

Wicipedia
Your Welsh is better than mine. When are you coming over the way? Deb (talk) 22:14, 1 April 2009 (UTC)

DYK for Wallis Thomas
Cunard (talk) 05:30, 2 April 2009 (UTC)

Template:Aggregators/doc
it is redundant! I want to remove this template because I made a few weeks ago a misstake in creating two doc: one for podcasting and one for aggregators! this should be now reverted in removing one! <small style="font:bold 12px Courier New;display:inline;border:#009 1px dashed;padding:1px 6px 2px 7px;white-space:nowrap"> mabdul 0=* 09:13, 2 April 2009 (UTC)

Taliesin redivata
Many thanks for restoring Taliesin. Mighty quick work! Enaidmawr (talk) 22:19, 1 April 2009 (UTC)


 * That's what I call a challenge! Deb (talk) 22:22, 1 April 2009 (UTC)

and for XionisClive sweeting


 * While (I believe) I fully understand and respect your decision to revert the main Taliesin article to one covering the poet, I should note that my "American-centric" assumption that most people looking for Taliesin aren't just looking for the poet is backed up by a couple, rather obvious, facts: (1) the sheer number of other WP articles referencing Taliesin (in all its uses) and, more importantly, (2) a quick Google search confirms that, by far, the majority of modern and current references to "Taliesin" are indeed to Frank Lloyd Wright's estate.


 * We should not have to make this a thoroughly empirical, "scientific" study to justify reducing the number of clicks needed to get to relevant material on "Taliesin" -- whether "the original" Taliesin (the poet) or the more "modern," if American, references to the term. My point is further underscored by the fact that there have been 2 top bestsellers on Taliesin (i.e., the Frank Lloyd Wright estate, as most Americans normally understand reference to that term) in the past two years alone.


 * I think the decision to retain Taliesin as primarily in reference to the poet is far more biased than the more neutral decision to make "Taliesin" refer to a disambiguation page. I cannot understand how this can possibly be controversial, unless someone has some particular fetish or penchant for the poet.  What makes the poet stand higher than Wright anyhow?  Google it.  Wright is "bigger" than Taliesin (the poet), in the popular and modern and, ahem, American mind at least.  For these reasons, Taliesin main page should definitely be a disambiguation page.  Your thoughts?  Mr manilow (talk) 17:04, 3 April 2009 (UTC)


 * Google does provide a tremendous service of indicating relative interest levels i.e., in terms of seeking (and esp. LINKS RELATING TO A TERM), as per the PageRank - itself an ingenious tool akin to Wikipedia. In fact, the majority of Wikipedia's traffic probably comes from Google (and search engines like it), which ordinarily assigns a fairly high PageRank to Wikipedia terms on a given topic.
 * This is why it is particularly interesting, and supportive of my point, that Googling the term "Taliesin" (on my computer at least) returns an article about the Taliesin (studio), just above the ranking for the poet, which is indented, implying less relevance, by Google's standards at least.
 * While Google may not compare to the glories of Wikipedia, they both have relevance-seeking technology that, in Google's case, is significantly more empirical and less prone to the miseries (being discussed on Enaidmawr's talk page on the Taliesin topic, presumably more important than the topic of Taliesin itself - whether speaking specifically of the poet or not) and petty social politics of "administrating" Wikipedia. Please have fun protecting the righteousness and self-integrity of your favorite information service.  I was just trying to save people a click or two.
 * OK, I've finally followed your advice. See Requested Moves and the Taliesin Talk page for discussion.Mr manilow (talk) 18:06, 3 April 2009 (UTC)