User talk:Betswiki

Hi, thanks for making a change in the "ellipsis" section at WP:MOS. On WT:MOS, we've just started talking again about how to figure out which changes have "consensus", and I pointed to your edit as an example of something that might not have consensus. In fact, the point is that there wasn't anything terribly wrong with your edit, but that's not the point; there's a message at the top of every guideline and policy page that says "make sure your edit reflects consensus"...that is, not just a good idea, but something Wikipedians believe already. Please feel free to join in the discussion. This wasn't aimed at you personally, of course, I don't believe we've met. - Dan Dank55 (talk)(mistakes) 20:26, 22 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Your change has a few problems with wording; but of course it reflects English usage.WP:MOS has a long history of reflecting the prejudices of a handful of editors who wish to revise the English language; this is a long-standing dispute which you have been unfortunate enough to step in the middle of. Please don't take this personally, and enjoy editing Wikipedia. Septentrionalis PMAnderson 22:32, 22 June 2008 (UTC)

Laie Hawaii Temple‎
Thanks for helping with the cleanup. If you have any suggestions for improvement, please let me know. Viriditas (talk) 22:35, 9 July 2008 (UTC)

Trying to learn protocol and style for Wikipedia - daunting. . . but i am a copyeditor, so ask me anything, if it has to do with grammar, punctuation and so forth. I thought the article on the temple was pretty good. I am trying to think of more things, but really haven't come up with anything. (Mormon people say that area is the most beautiful in all the islands, the setting. I dunno if that's a stretch . . .  but maybe there is a way to bring up something about that. And maybe other people think that too.)  Most of my thoughts had to do with copyediting issues, which quickly become complicated as one deals with the church's style guides and the style guides of the rest of the world. Betswiki (talk) 02:35, 11 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Thanks. I'll look into finding more information about the natural beauty; that's a great idea.  Could you take a look at the folklore section and comment on whether my use of the terms "divine protection" and "divine providence" are accurate descriptions?  I'm not a member of the LDS Church, and my knowledge of the subject is limited. Viriditas (talk) 02:28, 14 July 2008 (UTC)

yep - been outta town. . .Betswiki (talk) 06:03, 23 July 2008 (UTC) Hi Viriditas - the folklore section looks ok to me - have not heard of these stories, but they sound like typical 'faith-promoting' tales common in the LDS culture - the terms 'divine protection' and 'divine providence' might not themselves be heard in an LDS storytelling environment, but i do not see them as being in any way inappropriate or offensive to anyone either within it or outside it - forge onward! - b Betswiki (talk) 06:15, 23 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Good edits, but I don't agree with changing "Temples" to "They". BTW, there seems to be some kind of conflict between you and another editor who keeps changing your edits. You may want to use the talk page. Viriditas (talk) 03:08, 29 July 2008 (UTC)

i understand - but changed to they because i changed the preceding sentence adding 'temples' again due to something that seemed to need referral. . .  i forget now - i am sure it can be looked at - we then had too many 'temples' too close together. . . these things happen - change it back if you want - far's i'm concerned it's your piece - am just trying to help if i can - if it ain't help, then undo it. . . i won't be offended - in fact i won't remember! :) bBetswiki (talk) 04:25, 29 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Nah, you're doing fine. It's certainly not my article.  The more, the merrier... :) Viriditas (talk) 04:30, 29 July 2008 (UTC)

oh yeah - i didn't want people to think 'people' were not used for regular Sunday worship instead of temples! so i changed a word or two. . . for one thing, i think there was a singular/plural problem. . . so it's a little different and 'they' went in - if it gets changed back, it won't put me into depression - b Betswiki (talk) 04:38, 29 July 2008 (UTC)

Hey! GA status! Congrats, Viriditas! betswiki (talk) 00:51, 21 August 2008 (UTC)
 * I've got a list of open tasks if you're interested. Lā'ie, Hawai'i and The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints in Hawaii could use your tender love and care.  Thanks again. Viriditas (talk) 12:02, 1 September 2008 (UTC)

Thanks, Viriditas - might keep me outta trouble - will have a look and brush up TLC skills! - b betswiki (talk) 20:18, 1 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Are there any particular topics that interest you? I'm basically looking for editors who can help (like you have with Laie Hawaii Temple) with Hawaii-related topics.  I see you have an interest in cuisine.  I'm actually looking for collaborators to help out with particular Hawaii-related cuisine articles.  Let me know if you would like more information. Viriditas (talk) 09:20, 2 September 2008 (UTC)

hmmmm - cuisine kinda hit me in the face is all (i looked up a friend, Chris Cosentino . . . rest just grew like Topsy!)(mtn biking came from that too) - LDS stuff and HI stuff  - Eastern Canada (lived there) - the Wild West, where i grew up. . . everything interests me is the trouble! my areas of study: technical copyediting, biochem/medical, DNA, genealogy (a hobby) - i'm awfully eclectic! - and i have 5 kids. . . makes me more eclectic! bbetswiki (talk) 20:51, 2 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Cool. Have you ever made a request at User:SuggestBot/Requests?  That would help. Viriditas (talk) 21:02, 2 September 2008 (UTC)

Speedy deletion of Cuisine of the Western United States
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== WikiProject Cycling was formed some years ago as a central point for discussion. If you need any extra help, don't hesitate to ask me. Cheers, SeveroTC 12:37, 25 August 2008 (UTC)

ok - thanks - b betswiki (talk) 12:41, 25 August 2008 (UTC)

Texas-style barbecue
Hi, I have merged your article with Barbecue in the United States where it fits quite nicely. If you wish to make further edits, that would be the place to go. Regards, WWGB (talk) 10:00, 23 August 2008 (UTC) mucho gratitude - just can't say too much about BBQ! b betswiki (talk) 06:43, 25 August 2008 (UTC)

WP PEI
As you have shown an interest in Cuisine of the Maritime Provinces (Canada) you may be interested in joining WikiProject Prince Edward Island Kind Regards SriMesh | talk  02:46, 9 September 2008 (UTC)

Logical Quotations
I appreciate you taking the effort to make a needed copyedit on Same-sex marriage in California. However, I noticed that a number of your edits went against the Wikipedia logical quotation style, where punctuation not actually being quoted does not go between the quotation marks. I realize that this may be a fair bit of a switch from what is commonly practiced elsewhere, where one might put "boo," just like that, instead of putting "boo", as we do, with the comma outside the quotation marks. There are practical reasons for this in a reference work of this sort. -- Nat Gertler (talk) 07:15, 5 January 2010 (UTC)

capital degree name
Why have you switched them all to lower-case? Do you have a reference for this style. At the very least it clashes with the capitalized abbreviations and linked articles so a strong reference would be necessary. Rmhermen (talk) 04:57, 17 December 2011 (UTC)

Show me a reason to put them up instead of down. It's wrong, wrong, wrong, and it is massively done. ("George Washington, PhD or BA or MS," or whatever is correct--but it is not correct correct to capitalize the words when they are not reduced to initials).

"Bachelor of Arts George Washington" would be correct (the degree would be title), just as "President Washington" is correct. However, "George Washington was elected president," is correct (while it would be incorrect to capitalize "president" used thus).

I grant you that this is incorrectly done about 99% of the time and that you are going to find these degrees capitalized everywhere you look. However, see Chicago Manual of Style, 13th ed., page 192, section 7.26 under "Academic Degrees and Honors"; it will tell you that the words (a degree) are capitalized when they follow a personal name (as i said above, as in "John Jones, Ph.D.") whether spelled out or abbreviated. "But when academic degrees are referred to in such general terms as doctorate, doctor's, bachelor's, master of science, they are not capitalized."

Much confusion is generated because we have so many words, these days, reduced to a series of initial letters, always uppercase. People see these and think that the words should then be capitalized when the expression is spelled out. Wrong, wrong, wrong! betswiki (talk) 06:37, 18 December 2011 (UTC)

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