User talk:Brout8

May 2009
Welcome to Wikipedia. The recent edit you made to Moonsoon has been reverted, as it appears to have removed content from the page without explanation. Use the sandbox for testing; if you believe the edit was constructive, please ensure that you provide an informative edit summary. You may also wish to read the introduction to editing. Thank you. NorwegianBluetalk 20:09, 25 May 2009 (UTC) Warning struck out by NorwegianBluetalk, the edit was a beginner's mistake, and no attempt at vandalism. --NorwegianBluetalk 21:47, 25 May 2009 (UTC)
 * I'll see if I can fix it, but please don't edit the pages while I'm trying to sort it out (I may need help of an admin, but I'll have a go at it). NorwegianBluetalk 20:28, 25 May 2009 (UTC)
 * I don't have the privileges, but have requested the assistance of an administrator. NorwegianBluetalk 20:39, 25 May 2009 (UTC)

Monsoon page move
The page has now been moved back where it should be, thanks to Toon5, administrator. However, if I interpreted the sequence of events correctly, you The edits you made after moving the contents without the history (boldfaced above), are lost, so you may want to look through the article, and redo the edits. Happy editing. --NorwegianBluetalk 21:43, 25 May 2009 (UTC)
 * 1) Moved the page "Monsoon" to "Moonsoon",
 * 2) Copied the contents, but not the history back to "Monsoon",
 * 3) Did some edits of the "Monsoon" page
 * 4) Realized the error, and contacted me for assistance.


 * That is exactly what happened. Thanks for help.--Brout8 (talk) 23:07, 25 May 2009 (UTC)

October 2009
Welcome to Wikipedia. Although everyone is welcome to contribute constructively to the encyclopedia, adding content without citing a reliable source is not consistent with our policy of verifiability. Take a look at the welcome page to learn more about contributing to this encyclopedia. If you are familiar with Citing sources, please take this opportunity to add references to the article. Thank you. -- Gyrofrog (talk) 15:05, 5 October 2009 (UTC)
 * I do not need to add an addition reference. The article already cited clearly states that 46% of Somalis are a match to the Cambridge Reference Sequence (CRS). The CRS is in the Haplogroup H. That means that they are probably Haplogroup H2 or very close to it.-- Brout8 15:13, 5 October 2009 (UTC)
 * You added it as a preface to a direct quote, but what you described is not in the quote. If "they are probably Haplogroup H2 or very close to it" then this really could use a source, as well. Thanks, -- Gyrofrog (talk) 17:23, 5 October 2009 (UTC)


 * It is in source cited. "'secondly, the presence of CRS mtDNA haplotypes (with different lengths of Cs at position 309) are typical European mtDNA haplotypes; thirdly, high frequencies of 146T–150C–152T (probe B1) and 189A–195T–198C–200A (probe C1) occur compared with other African populations”"
 * CRS is synonymous with Haplogroup H. The quote about "m = 0.46 [46%]” makes no sense if you don't know that the author is talking about Haplogroup H or CRS. The original quote should be deleted anyway, but the citation should be kept because the citation clearly refers to CRS in Haplogroup H. The article is wrong about Haplogroup H being European, because now it is generally agreed to be from Eastern Anatolia due to the genetic diversity of the Haplogroup H subclades in that area. The article is 10 years old and there hasn't been any new studies of mtDNA in Somalia- Brout8 (talk) 17:42, 5 October 2009 (UTC)

Haplogroup naming dispute
One of your recent edits is being discussed here. DMacks (talk) 17:16, 10 October 2009 (UTC)

Great, that I can request your source
Brout8, I'm looking forward to learning about more sources for mtDNA testing information than I now know about, as follows:

I believe your recent revision of the WP section mtDNA testing's basepair numbers was correct, judging by your total number 16569 in comparison with my only other (almost-)reliable source, mitomap.org, which listed the total as 16568 -- whereas the WP section previously had listed 16579. But for my own information, I would really like to know your source, so that I can be better-informed about mtDNA facts in the future. And you probably know your source offhand, for the above-mentioned basepair numbers.

So please tell me your source (here on your talk page or wherever you like), and I'll be glad to add the source reference information in that WP section, or just do it (add it) yourself. (I'll also duplicate your HVR1 and HVR2 ranges right with the coding region range in that WP section, to help the WP readers.) Gratefully and/or thankfully, For7thGen (talk) 22:28, 12 October 2009 (UTC)


 * Theses are my sources for the numbers.
 * http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/nuccore/251831106?report=genbank


 * http://www.phylotree.org/rCRS_annotated.htm


 * They are both good database of markers for testing. --Brout8 (talk) 12:19, 13 October 2009 (UTC)

L (mtDNA)
Macro-haplogroup L (mtDNA) is already merged with Haplogroup L (mtDNA). But what of both names are advisable in your opinion? --Maulucioni (talk) 15:12, 11 December 2009 (UTC)


 * I would prefer the name Macro-haplogroup L. There is no true surviving Haplogroup L*- as far as I know. - Brout8 (talk) 12:55, 16 December 2009 (UTC)

L3x
Could you explain this edit

Why did you move Somalis from L3a to L3x? Thank you in advance

Wadaad (talk) 18:22, 16 October 2010 (UTC)

I went back and checked the markers changes from the rCRS and compared them to the latest research on the Phylotree.org and none of the "Somali L3a" in Watson, 1997 are L3a. L3a requires the A16316G change. Several of the "L3a" were actually L2a. However, there were some L3. There were L3f1b, L3d, L3i, and L3x1. There probably are L3a Somalis but I have not seen the published samples yet. Watson's sample was somewhat small.

These are the Watson samples in current nomenclature and in order: -- Brout8 (talk) 16:50, 18 October 2010 (UTC)
 * L0a1d
 * L2a2
 * X
 * L2a1
 * L2a2
 * L2a1'2
 * X
 * L2a1
 * M1a1c or M1a1d
 * (Two sequences) I1a
 * Possible L3f1b2a (16126, 16172, 16209, 16223)
 * R0a (Two matching sequences)
 * R0a
 * M1
 * L3x1
 * N1a
 * M1a2b
 * Likely L2a1k (16189, 16218, 16223, 16303, 16360)
 * M1 (16189, 16223, 16249, 16311)
 * L3f1b
 * (Two matching sequences) L3i2
 * L3d1a1
 * K (16224, 16311)

Thank you, that makes sense.

Wadaad (talk) 03:38, 21 October 2010 (UTC)

Haplogroup E1b1a (Y-DNA)
The article has been reviewed and placed on hold pending improvement. WTF? (talk) 23:34, 16 December 2010 (UTC)

Updating haplogroup names
Hi. I noticed you are working on this in the E haplogroup, but I was surprised to see new names for the sub-clades under V13 for example. Has anyone proposed those names yet anywhere? L143 for example was an SNP whose discovery I know about first hand, but until now ISOGG has not included it on their webpage. I guess at least some will appear eventually, but someone has to say what order they'll be in.--Andrew Lancaster (talk) 21:09, 25 January 2011 (UTC)


 * No, the newer V13 subclades don't have official names yet. I named them on the tree based roughly on the order of the Thomas Krahn tree. I expect there should be an official ISOGG tree update with in next month or so. --Brout8 (talk) 12:45, 26 January 2011 (UTC)


 * Maybe a little early then? I hope people don't start copying this out and complaining later. Nice to temporarily have a haplogroup that was discovered in me though! :) --Andrew Lancaster (talk) 13:44, 26 January 2011 (UTC)


 * I made a little edit with a question mark that should aleviate that problem. I'll wait until the official name is announced. --Brout8 (talk) 13:55, 26 January 2011 (UTC)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haplogroup_J1_(Y-DNA)
Please review and comment:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haplogroup_J1_(Y-DNA)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Haplogroup_J1_(Y-DNA)

JohnLloydScharf (talk) 23:33, 21 August 2011 (UTC)

IP User with something about East Africa
Good question. I am assuming User:Muntuwandi? I suppose you have seen the disruption at E-M215? It is remarkably similar to the one you are apparently having.--Andrew Lancaster (talk) 22:53, 24 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Also see.--Andrew Lancaster (talk) 22:59, 24 January 2013 (UTC)

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Buick Verano
Hello. I quoted a reliable source for my edit. Did you miss it?---Now wiki (talk) 16:10, 10 May 2016 (UTC)
 * How are you just going to delete all information about Second Gen Verano? Yes, the first gen is being phased out but the second gen is very much alive. The car very much exists and is being sold in China at this moment. I have to revert your edit. Brout8 (talk)
 * If you want to add information about the first gen, feel free. But the second gen car information has to stay. Brout8 (talk)
 * The so called "second generation" Buick Verano is ALL based on speculation!!! All smoke and mirror. If you DID read my source, you would have known that GM, by phasing out the Verano after MY 2017, does NOT plan to renew the Verano for another generation! SIGH.(P.S. The car sold in China is not called the Verano - is covered in another article)---Now wiki (talk) 16:30, 10 May 2016 (UTC)
 * What are you talking about speculation? Go to buick.com.cn and the second gen Verano is on sale in China. It is translated as Verano in Chinese. That's a fact. You just aren't knowledgeable enough about Buick products. No more edits or quoting anonymous sources from online magazines. Brout8 (talk)
 * If you look closely, you will see there are numerous photos on that site of the second gen car with the word "Verano" on back of car. Not speculation. Pure fact. Brout8 (talk)
 * It's called the Buick Excelle GT in China! New Buick Excelle GT launched on the Chinese car market It is covered under a separate article: Buick Excelle GT.---Now wiki (talk) 16:44, 10 May 2016 (UTC)
 * Buick Excelle GT is another car. You are so badly confused. OMG. It's not the Second gen Verano. Buick Excelle GT is an rebadged Opel Astra. A German car. Please go to the Buick China web page instead of using secondary sources.Brout8 (talk)
 * I'm afraid you are the one who is confused. This article is about the car that Buick markets in the U.S. (and Canada). Does the info box mentions being assembled in China? No.---Now wiki (talk) 17:02, 10 May 2016 (UTC)
 * No, I'm not confused. I've researched this car. This article is a wiki that has a global perspective. Buick is a international brand. It is not just US ands Canada. If we get information about assembly in China, we add it also. We've done it for other Buick cars such as the Envision that is assembled in China. Brout8 (talk)
 * Buick Excelle GT is NOT another car. It's based on the first generation Buick Verano sold in the U.S."Based on the US-spec Buick Verano, the China-only facelifted Excelle GT ....---Now wiki (talk) 01:01, 11 May 2016 (UTC)
 * It is another car. The only car I've been talking about is the second gen Buick Verano. You're the one who has been muddying the water talking about other unrelated cars. http://www.buick.com.cn/verano/ Brout8 (talk) 01:14, 11 May 2016 (UTC)

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Ramses III, the Amarna Mummies and haplogroup E1b1a
Hi Brout8, I hope you're still online. I don't want you to get caught up in this controversy. However, do you know who is also haplogroup E1b1a? Ramses III and his son. In fact the entire Amarna Dynasty has STRs that cluster closer to people in Southern Africa, the Great Lakes of Africa (Malawi, Tanzania) and Tropical West Africa today. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D-cdQZ1X4AAIXwB.jpg https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D-cdRgwXoAEEDzA.jpg https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bVAPMfP4pog&t=570 This information is still being kept off Wikipedia. Ramses III and STR profile http://www.dnatribes.com/dnatribes-digest-2013-02-01.pdf The other Amarna mummies (Tutankhamon, Amenhotep III, possibly Tiye and Akhnaton) http://dnatribes.com/dnatribes-digest-2012-01-01.pdf The statement that Ramses III has haplogroup E1b1a is in the BMJ. https://www.bmj.com/content/345/bmj.e8268 It is on the Ramses III page on Wikipedia, however you'd never know if you weren't looking for it. It is being obscured, and the STR profiles of the Amarna mummies is actively being kept off Wikipedia. 83.84.100.133 (talk) 15:32, 3 July 2019 (UTC)

Stop deleting my edits. If you took the time to research point you would agree with me. There is diversity in Scotland
Stop deleting my edits. If you took the time to research point you would agree with me. There is diversity in Scotland — Preceding unsigned comment added by Wmcdonald19751975 (talk • contribs) 21:55, 21 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Wikipedia is not the place to do original research or to promote it. You failed to present scholarly research that is peer-reviewed to support your edit. Your reference mentions E-M34 SNP which is not an E-V38 or E-M2 subclade. That means your source doesn't support your edit and is not a relevant edit or addition to the topic. Sorry. --Brout8 (talk) 00:42, 22 January 2021 (UTC)