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Archive 2

Mary Statton (reprise)
Sorry. I got confused, and did not mean to 'step on' your edit.

Nice job. 7&amp;6=thirteen (talk) 15:26, 17 November 2007 (UTC) Stan

Mary Stratton
Thanks for opening up the Mary Stratton article. Timely and constructive response, certainly. Now I'll have something to do in my spare time. 7&amp;6=thirteen 19:29, 15 November 2007 (UTC) Stan

Thanks for the hint!
Says it all. --PhiltheBear 18:19, 13 March 2007 (UTC)

What's up?
I just saw your edit to your user page. What's happening? Please feel free to respond here or on my talk page. I think you're too good of a contributor for us to want to lose if we can avoid it. John Carter 15:26, 12 March 2007 (UTC)
 * I've noticed the tendency for people to revert or want to delete as well. That's one of the reasons why I put the recent changes function on my user page, so that I can see whenever someone wants to delete something I created. I've had one category, Category:Renewers of society, already deleted by what struck me as being insufficient cause, particularly as the work of populating it is still incomplete today. With any luck, things will be quieting down on the deletion front sometime soon. There is also at least one proposal out there which would give the content-related projects some greater influence in deletion and similar matters in the future. I personally am anticipating that with great pleasure. In any event, I'm glad to see that you haven't completely retired yet. Should a similar move to delete something happen to you again, make sure to let the rest of us know. I can't guarantee that everything will turn out the way you or I want it to (I wish I could, though), but we should be able to at least minimize the damage created in such instances. It is heartening to see that you haven't retired completely. John Carter 16:40, 12 March 2007 (UTC)
 * No objections to leaving if you see fit. But it might be possible to get the work reinstated anyway through deletion review, if you want to take that approach. John Carter 18:30, 12 March 2007 (UTC)
 * I wish I knew more about sculpture than I do, because I think that would be fairly pivotal here. The telling point would probably be the specific significance of the 3rd International itself. Clearly, there are any number of categories relating to award winners (Category:Academy Award winners shows some). If being exhibited in this show would be a similar distinction, then I think a very good case could be made for its being a separate category. That argument would probably be strengthened by some content to that effect in the article itself, and maybe creation of articles on the other such exhibits. If it were considered a comparatively lesser honor, though, Unfortunately, this is a field about which I know virtually nothing. WikiProject Visual arts would probably be the people best able to address the comparative significance of the show relative to others. Otherwise, all I can suggest is inclusion of all of the names in the list of individuals who took part in the show. John Carter 19:08, 12 March 2007 (UTC)

Your blues
Hello. I'm sorry you feel that way. Were you not watching the category? The consensus that it was overcategorisation, and that it should be deleted, was very clear. Don't take it personally!

I think it would be impractical (and useless) for every editor to be notified when an article or category of interest is about to be deleted. Perhaps you could ask the nominator whether he could have notified you when he nominated it? However, since it appears from its history that the category was created by Brookie (talk • contribs), not by you, you may not have been notified in any case.

If your edits are, as you state, original research and opinion then they will be deleted without any input from me! On the other hand, I suspect that most of your excellent contributions will survive long after your departure. Very best wishes, RobertG ♬ talk 15:29, 12 March 2007 (UTC)

Aw C'mon!
Your not leaving Carp ! You virtually just got here ! The wiki I know is substantiated by characters like you ! People I love for their slight touch of anarchy ! The best things you contributed are Wikipedia ! Jesus, haven't we all got a horse shot from under us ? Win some,lose some! Carp ! Damn it ! Buddy ! Pal !

Original and opinion are words of honour for the likes of you. If only this could be generalised beyond frustration...

But have a break and enjoy (The Marx Brothers, The Three Stooges, Buster Keaton, Laurel and Hardy) and when you get off your lazy ..., search for that book on Sculpture in Modern Belgium !


 * (Lunarian 12:37, 13 March 2007 (UTC))

PS Coincidentally I was reading about Hildegarde von Bingen also, and her vision of the Church in relation to the phallic architecture thing. Yes your reading correctly. Sad to say my reference is French (M-M. Davy, Initiation à la symbolique Romane) It may yet take some time but we are getting somewhere. The point is now about erotic vision ( Bernini, Ecstasy of St Theresa), appealing to the senses ...but not in the pedestrian view common to the so called wikieditor. The von Bingen reference can also include the vision of Hermas ( Robin Lane Fox, Pagans and christians) Jung has some decent pages on Hermas I have yet to read. The bell tower as phallic architecture, sounds like you definitely will have to come back !

Keep it covered Carp (eye on the sparrow), :D !
 * Lunarian

How do you feel about the Eastern Michigan University water tower. Ha-ha. Don't get me banned for this. Just kidding. 7&amp;6=thirteen (talk) 20:39, 29 November 2007 (UTC)Stan

Response
Please read WP:EL and WP:SPAM regarding what is considered spam links. The user whom removed those links was doing so in accordance with those policies and did not violate any policy. Thank you.--Jersey Devil 02:48, 14 March 2007 (UTC)


 * My apologies, I thought the complaint was solely about the types of links which the "user" was removing. I have indefinitely blocked the account. Thank you for reporting it.--Jersey Devil 03:21, 14 March 2007 (UTC)

Hey
Heyya! Sorry to bother you, but I stumbled across an article that needs a lot of help, and I need to label it, but I'm not exactly sure what to label it. I would like to fix it, but I'm not sure how much I can do. It uses first person, has bad syntax, and needs major restructuring (or so I think). The article is Saran District. If you could tell me what to do...or tell me somebody who knows what to do, I'd be very thankful. Saber girl08 15:52, 19 March 2007 (UTC)

Oh, ok. Thank you. By the way, I am under editor review, so I was wondering...could you review me? I'd be very thankful. The link is on my user page. If you don't want to, you don't have to. Thank you for the help, and have a wonderful day! Saber girl08 15:45, 20 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Oh, thank you so much! *hugs* I appreciate your review a lot. Have a wonderful day! Saber girl08 16:32, 20 March 2007 (UTC)

thank you
Carptrash, sincere thanks for providing references on Zantzinger, Borie and Medary. You're a scholar and a gentleman. --Lockley 23:55, 22 March 2007 (UTC)

Civil War monuments
Hello! In response to your message, my new book Human Interest Stories of the Gettysburg Campaign is quite different from Grimm's old book, which was aimed at the tourist crowd. They are similar in overall theme, but I focus on a lot of new material not previously covered, and I drew almost entirely from letters, diaries and regimental histories. For reviews and snippets, please see Amazon reviews. I don't cover much on the monuments, however, as I focus on interesting stories from the battle and campaign.

I have an interest in the monumentation and occasionally edit articles on Wikipedia as I find information such as I had added to my new Cincinnati in the Civil War article. I merely copied the text over to the Rogers article. Have a great day! Scott Mingus 17:11, 25 March 2007 (UTC)

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Brookie note
Keep smiling- keep editing! Brookie :) - a will o' the wisp ! (Whisper...) 18:51, 5 April 2007 (UTC)

Hezekiah Augur
I see you did some editing on that entry. Don't know if it would be deemed useful or not (being new to wikipedia and not understanding the nuances of what's kosher and what isn't), but I have transcribed the entry for Hezekiah Augur from Edwin P. Augur's 1904 book "The History and Genealogy of the Descendants of Robert Augur of New Haven Colony" here. Figured you'd know better whether there's anything useful to use or not. For example, the patented carving machine mentioned in this entry is currently on display in the New Haven Historical Society building on Whitney Avenue in Hamden. Should I photograph it and add an entry? So too are the commemorative medalions Hezekiah created. Further, I wonder if you could give me some guidance: I added yesterday for the heck of it an entry on Christopher Columbus Augur who was a career military man from the Civil War on. It's probably bogus by wikipedia standards. Care to look? Again, information is lifted from the family history book, as well as a write-up by another military man that one of Christopher's descendants provided to me. How do I change my screw up where I made the entry "Augur, Christopher Columbus" rather than "Christopher Columbus Augur" as seems to be the norm? Thanks, Phil Augur —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 65.88.43.2 (talk) 19:33, 5 April 2007 (UTC).
 * Hello Phil. Thought #1 is, why don't you register as a wikipedia user.  This will allow us to discuss stuff easier.  Registering has no negative features that I've been able to discover.  Also. being registered will give your edits a bit of extra weight.  #2 is that your link didn't work.  #3, YEs, I am a big fan of pictures, so post away.  Also. iff you link articles youd like me to look at, it helps me get there.  But, yes, I

I'll check Christopher Columbus Augur out. hmmmm, it is in red, so, where exactly did you add this? Anyway, I am an inclusionist in wikipedia, so something has to be pretty far off for me to feel that it does not belong. Carptrash 19:57, 5 April 2007 (UTC)

Leaving so soon?
Sorry to hear that. I was looking through your contributions earlier and it looks like you have a lot of valuable information to add to our art pages. It's easy to find people who can write about... how do I put this gently?... mindless crap like Pokemon or World of Warcraft, but tougher to find people with something to add to the more scholarly topics.

I know sometimes the bureaucratic BS around here can cause us to lose good editors, so I'm glad you'll at least be stopping in from time to time. Maybe eventually you'll get used to the nonsense and decide to jump back in with both feet. Oh, and thanks for the "Thumbs Up". If you ever need help, feel free to drop me a line. Kafziel Talk 15:59, 10 April 2007 (UTC)

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Re: Polar bear monument photo
No worries. It's a great photo which is really suitable for illustrating that article. --Nick Dowling 23:17, 24 April 2007 (UTC)

Cave Hill Cemetery and Arboretum
Hey, thanks for cropping that image... those wires are pretty low! I'd practically have to put the camera on the sidewalk to get a clean shot of the tower, hard to do with all that traffic. But I was gonna go back and do that someday... the work you did looks so good I don't think I'll really need to. --W.marsh 13:47, 27 April 2007 (UTC)

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NPOV
I don't remember adding the npov marker. Sorry about that; if you have any other questions just ask at my talk page. Thanks for telling me, and again, I'm really sorry. Neranei 22:24, 9 May 2007 (UTC)

Lol, a little controversy would be interesting... Neranei 22:34, 10 May 2007 (UTC)

Omaha Central High School
Thank you for your note, and for bringing the nuances of history to my attention. I have made appropriate corrections to the article; but since guilt is not god, I have given up on your quest of finding the sculptor. However, I think you'll find my additions to the article suitable penance for said crime. Thanks for the opportunity to help. - Freechild 16:41, 16 May 2007 (UTC)

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David Gebhard
David Gebhard was correct ! I found a copy of the original drawings from the archives of the National Library of Australian which show the original design did have a carport and not a garage. Hope this helps solve this dispute. Posted the link to the drawings over on Talk:Walter_Burley_Griffin. Regards Boylo 01:18, 29 May 2007 (UTC) Just found a photo of the Sloan House taken in 1910 (probably taken by Walter Burley Griffin and Marion Mahony Griffin its noted) which shows it was definately built as a carport. Boylo 01:42, 29 May 2007 (UTC)

Thumbs Up Award
Thx for the Award ! Its appreciated as i spent a lot of hours on Saturday searching for any proof that showed WBG had designed the first carport. I could tell from finding photos similar to what you posted that the carport looked like it was now a garage on the Sloan Home, but i also knew that those photos were taken probably from the 1960's to now. I doubted myself that i would find anything and thought it lucky to have found that website that quoted David Gebhard, but then you showed me what i had expected, that only older photos existed showing a garage. So i spent more time without much hope really, and was just about to give up when i found the floor plans and then the photo taken in 1910 and knew i had what i needed. It was luck and determination, and also the good fortune of having the children of Greg Nicholls, who collected these photos, to release them to the National Library last year. They maybe the only copies that have became available to the public. I knew you would be very pleased to see that David Gebhard had got it right and now there was proof at last after so many years to verify what he had stated being correct. Regards Boylo 01:06, 30 May 2007 (UTC)

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Hey, I'll take a gander at it and leave some notes in the talk page tomorrow sometime. Always good to check the images for license info as a first step.CaseKid 04:50, 6 June 2007 (UTC)

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the copyright issue with Image:Noguchi-Detroit1.jpg. i took the picture and I posted it there in the summary, that much is mentioned on the picture and I also did the copyright release tht produces the water buffalo head. A user created GFDL image I think is what it is called that is in the licencing section. I have perhaps 500 (this is not a math question) other such images and and if they all get removed then it must be my destiny. Carptrash 14:08, 16 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Not all jurisdictions recognise 'freedom of panoroma' which is what I think would apply here. you might want to read up, and remove the tag if you can calrify the situation... ? ShakespeareFan00 14:12, 16 June 2007 (UTC)

New Detroit statute pics
Is this statute very significant in Detroit archetecture/history? I added the parks to the Detroit Template, including a blank one for Cadillac Square, which I am not really sure about since it kind of extends right into Campus Martius. Anyway, if I get more time I will add a few more pics that are sitting on my hard drive to post in Detroit type articles- although it always amazes me how many more photos can need to be taken just in the downtown area!--Mikerussell 17:12, 16 June 2007 (UTC)
 * It is the only Daniel Chester French statue in Detroit and probably in Michigan, so it is (opinion) important . Carptrash 23:16, 16 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Thanks for noticing, should it be added to other pages? If you ever get time, put in where you think it fits, I will amend the caption on it for Grand Circus Park.--Mikerussell 04:04, 17 June 2007 (UTC)


 * Link to some other monuments of Detroit, and besides the James Scott Fountain on Belle Isle, the Chancey Hurlbut Memorial Gate at Waterworks Park at Jefferson & Cadillac. Thomas Paine1776 00:02, 19 June 2007 (UTC)

Belle Isle pic
By the way, what is this, taken from Windsor a couple months ago, I always thought it was Detroit Yacht Club, but people tell me it isn't b/c its on the wrong side of the Island. Is it the marine museum? --Mikerussell 04:09, 17 June 2007 (UTC)

Don't mean to intervene, but I ran across the comment from Mikerussell. I think that in the foreground we are seeing one of the lagoons on Belle Isle. In the background (to the South, of all things) is part of the skyline of Windsor,Ontario, but upriver from downtown Windsor, toward the Walker distillery. This is definitely not the Detroit Boat Club or the now defunct Detroit Yacht Club. 7&amp;6=thirteen (talk) 20:18, 17 November 2007 (UTC) Stan

I think that I did not complete my last thought. I think that picture was of a building they call "the Belle Isle casino." I never knew why it was called that. The picture is taken from an odd perspective, and

I'm sure you know also that the picture is definitely not of the Dossin Great Lakes Museum.

As I have spent (in my day) quite a bit of time on Belle Isle, and have canoed in it, kayaked many times around it, and bicycled a whole lot on the island, I have a pretty good knowledge base. That's what I think, FWIW 7&amp;6=thirteen (talk) 21:10, 17 November 2007 (UTC) Stan

If it was taken from Windsor, would have to be a pretty big lens. I think that this could still be the "Belle Isle casino" and that it is well back from the river's edge. With a really big lens you could have lots of foreshortening in the photo.

7&amp;6=thirteen (talk) 21:13, 17 November 2007 (UTC)Stan

Board election
I saw your post on my Meta page but I'm responding here in case you check this page more often than there. I am not a candidate for the Board in the election. I am simply a member of the committee that is helping to organize the procedures for the election. Hope this clarifies. Regards, Newyorkbrad 02:59, 18 June 2007 (UTC)

Lurking on...
I don't take wikipedia too seriously myself. It does some things well- some type of articles and topics, and alot of other things horribly badly, and I almost hate to add to certain articles that I have an interest in b/c you just know it really ain't the right place for the reader to learn about it anyway, let alone what sort of carp is already muddling the thing up to begin with. I think if you have found another place where you can add material and get credit for your knowledge and experience, that's great. If it has to do with Detroit or anything like it, I'd like to see it. But don't take too much stuff down, the Detroit articles need your contribution.--Mikerussell 04:22, 18 June 2007 (UTC)

Agree with your comments. Let me know too. Stay with us though, Detroit articles need your attention. Your additions have helped a great deal, appreciate them very much. Thomas Paine1776 21:23, 18 June 2007 (UTC)

Fordson
Don't know if you remember me, but I am finding many architectural articles about Fordson High School. I am speaking with the current librarian about Corrado Parducci and his architectural contributions to the school, but he is new to Fordson and does not know where to look. He is committed to finding the background on the school and will let me know if he finds anything on Corrado. I sent out an email to a few alumni of the school and they all sent me info that I should include in the Fordson article, nothing related to the architecture of course. I am finding a lot on Fordson, but I have a hard time distinguishing what should be noted and what is insignificant to place in the article. Just wanted to give you a head's up. Peanuts5402 00:50, 19 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Will do, thanks! Peanuts5402 01:03, 19 June 2007 (UTC)

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Hello
It's been (quite a) while. Well, I haven't really cared to bother around with Wikipedia in quite a while. Not really my bag, you see, and I didn't really want to be involved anymore. But, for some really odd reason, I was reminded of you today. Funny thing was, I couldn't remember your user name! I went through several fish names....shark...trout...etc., before I remembered "carp" and the "trash" fell in place. And I see you left a message for me back in March; however, for the life of me, I can't figure out what you were trying to tell me. Perhaps you remember and can shed some light? I see you're not as active anymore either, so...maybe you'll get this, and maybe not.

And from what I can see of our previous conversations...I ended up going to Cortland, yes, and I'm currently majoring in geology. Absolutely fascinating to me, and I can spend time outdoors to boot. All the best, John-Luke Shirimasen 01:13, 4 July 2007 (UTC) (P.S., I recreated my user page so that the red-colored link is no longer extant, just for you)


 * Oh yes...I spend about an hour looking through old conversations and edits trying to figure out what you were talking of, and I vaguely recall what the deal with Mr. Waddell was. It would have been pretty nice if you could have asked him if that was Patti, but...at least you got the chance to meet with him. It's hard to pick up on conversations from two years ago, yes? I was kind of thrown off when you said "just noticed" in your latest message. -- John-Luke

That Building
Ah, yes! I've passed that building a number of times and was curious of it myself. I don't know anything of it myself, but my girlfriend might know where to find out...she's done projects on the local history and such; in fact, she and her group made a documentary on the Brockway Motor Company...pretty fascinating stuff. I'm not going to be in Cortland again until late August, though, so it's going to be a while until I can find out for you. Speaking of Cortland architecture, are you familiar with the 1890 House? www.1890house.org Literally right down the road from the college, very beautiful.

As for myself, well, it's summer, so I'm scraping together some money for next semester. I'm reading for pleasure again, which I never have time for at school anymore. I've been listening to a lot of Warren Zevon, too...there's something about summer that always has me return to his music. And what project are you involved in now? Shirimasen 16:37, 4 July 2007 (UTC)

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Migration of your comments re. the current WP Biography Assessment Drive
Just to let you know, I migrated your recent comments posted to the WikiProject Biography/Assessment/Assessment Drive project page space to its talk page. -- Broken Sphere 15:36, 11 July 2007 (UTC)


 * Glad to hear that your mood has improved. -- Broken Sphere  18:05, 11 July 2007 (UTC)

Assessment drive
"The ultimate aim of the assessment drive is not to clear the backlog, but to encourage article growth and improvement and highlight the areas where work needs to be done to raise articles up to the level of GA and FA. Having looked at your extremely prolific contributions, many could be raised a class or several simply by using inline citations and occasionally copy-editing - i.e. ticking the boxes. Don't assume that given grades are a fair assessment of articles - they are extremely subjective, and with only three main grades to award, a narrow assessment." I wrote that in the above section a couple of days ago, and I still think it holds true. Take solace in the fact that in my opinion (and probably that of lots of other article writers/editors), partly as an assessor, article assessment takes less effort and input that said editing. I know from personal experience that even short articles can take a while to piece together and refine, though my contributions are nowhere near as prolific as yours, nor Rbraunwa who I referred to above. Keep up the good work, RHB - Talk 22:00, 11 July 2007 (UTC)


 * I removed the images to stop any other uncivil actions that might have occurred. I admit, the posting of the image of the crying baby next to your initial post was immature, but the images you had posted ridiculing the Assessment Drive were equally uncalled for. However, the editing of the cry baby image with the message you posted it on, referring to myself, was beyond uncivil and I removed all the images before the discussion degenerated any further. --Ozgod 02:13, 12 July 2007 (UTC)
 * That's fine. If suggesting that you poked me (sort of a "poking fun" pun) with my own diaper pin is beyond uncivil then you must live a fairly sheltered life.  A good thing, no doubt.  My Rules are made to be broken image was one I was rather proud of, given that I put it together in 10 minutes or so and the image of the engraving tools was posted by some 3rd party who might be wondering just where it went?.  But I certainly do not wish get get into anything ugly with you, or anyone else.  it's just that bureaucrats, which is what many of the folks there seem like, appear to be such a joyless, such a humorless lot filled with The RULES are' and that sort of thing that  . .... that I just can't help myself.  Call it a compulsive disorder, ADD,  or just a belief that life is supposed to be fun. Carptrash 02:43, 12 July 2007 (UTC)
 * I think you misunderstand - I did not delete the images, I just removed the tags that placed them there in the discussion. They still exist on the server. --Ozgod 03:12, 12 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Once again, they are still where you left them with their caption, i.e. Image:Crying baby.jpg is the location for that image. Whoever uploaded the image of the tools has probably already placed them in an article (the one you photoshopped however is orphaned at the moment and may be subject to deletion whether or not it used in an article or not). Any user has uploaded an image can simply root their contributions to find it, or you can try search for the image at www.wikimedia.com. --Ozgod 10:45, 12 July 2007 (UTC)

I suggested that you drop the subject on the Assessment Drive's talk page; obviously you are set in your opinion, and several of us arguing is obviously futile. I'm sure your energy can be better spent elsewhere. Like I said the day before, if you have issues with an individual's assessments and/or handling of an article, bring it to their attention personally. María ( críticame ) 16:33, 12 July 2007 (UTC)

Assessment drive, continued
Greetings! Just thought I'd drop you a note to let you know you're not the only one who has attempted to talk some sense into the assessment drive people. Please see this thread, as well as this thread on the same talk page to which you are currently contributing. Also this one in my archives. There are a bunch of us, all prolific creators of biographical articles, and most of us write complete articles on fairly obscure people which cannot be assessed by those unfamiliar with the topic, and unfamiliar, especially, with the sources on that topic.

For the time being I've solved the problem of "stub" and "start" assessments by re-assessing the articles using my own specialist knowledge, and some of the others are doing it that way as well. I'm somewhat pessimistic about getting the biography project to slow down and actually learn something about the topics they are assessing--they're more interested in having a contest to see who can do the most the fastest, accuracy and validity of tags be damned--but I think we can probably clean up most of the mis-assessments later. I agree that these drive-by tags are insulting, and about as useful as empty beer bottles hurled from passing cars, if the assessor has never heard of the topic. But I'll end there. Sometimes we just need to vent our frustrations before getting back to the important business of actually writing an encyclopedia. Very best wishes, Antandrus  (talk) 17:18, 14 July 2007 (UTC)


 * I agree entirely with Antandrus. In the case of assessments, just upgrade assessments you think are wrong (anyone can do assessments), and if the original assessor complains, ask them what they know about the subject. Once you've demonstrated you know more than them, they should cave in. The pictures were silly, if rather funny! By the way, I noticed that some of the sculptors you write about have done war memorials. Are you aware of WikiProject Military history/Military memorials and cemeteries task force and the various articles we have about Category:Military memorials and cemeteries? Would you be able to help with those sort of articles? Carcharoth 18:08, 14 July 2007 (UTC)

Guardian Building
If you know of any more info on the Guardian Building we can add let me know. Thanks Thomas Paine1776 01:29, 19 July 2007 (UTC)

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Spammy angels
Hi, nice Texas cemetery monument pics for Angel of Grief, but do you have another source? That site is pretty spammy and there's a good chance the link will be removed. --CliffC 00:48, 10 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the heads up. I took the picture of the Angel in Rome in the late 1970s and have been looking for copies ever since finding out that they existed.  Most of the copies in the article were added by me.  So discovering that Texas has a handful was rather exciting to me - regardless of where I learned it.  My concern is whether or not the information is reliable, and I am comfortable that this web site is.    Please don't feel that I'm ignoring your concern.  it is possible that other sources for those monuments can be found but I am happy with the way that they are collected and presented there.  You've got me thinking for sure, but until another source appears I'll be feeling very mother bearish about that one.  Life is supposed to be interesting.  Carptrash 13:16, 10 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Wow, that's your picture? I didn't realize.  It's gorgeous, certainly one of the best pictures on the site.  My wife and I are on-and-off admirers of cemetery architecture and we love it.  Your link should probably be okay, I don't think many of these young admins like to hang around cemeteries. :)  --CliffC 15:00, 10 August 2007 (UTC)

One of my long term projects involves collection information about cemetery sculpture. I recently spent a couple of quality hours in Fairmount Cemetry in Denver, Colorado and in the course of wandering around discovered 6 or 7 signed bronzes. I'm prerry much looking just at signed pieces because. . ... I am, but doing comparisons between various Victorian era works is fun too. Do you look for/at anything in particular when you go ? Carptrash 02:34, 11 August 2007 (UTC)
 * We don't do it much any more, but when we lived in Atlanta a few years ago we traveled to a lot of Civil War sites and cemeteries on weekends and on our trips back and forth up north. One trip I remember, we pulled up to where a man was working on his yard to ask for directions (in Pulleytown, North Carolina as I recall, so small it's not even in Wikipedia).  He looked disgusted by our New York plates when we pulled up, but then he got sweet as pie when my wife told him we were looking for the Confederate graveyard.  While we were in Atlanta we visited Oakland Cemetery (just found the article, lots of pictures, have not read yet), maybe you know about it already.  If you do go for a visit, take the guided tour, that part of town isn't safe, although the local gentry do adopt badly-kept graves and come out on Sundays to tend them and maybe have a picnic.  Regards,  CliffC 21:17, 11 August 2007 (UTC)

Response
No, I'm not doing assessments. The closest I come to that is endorsing or removing automatic stub assessments - only the ones done by bots, not by people. I also add templates, list-as parameters and work groups. If these small efforts to help your project are treading on toes so much, please let me know and I'll stop. Katharineamy 14:31, 11 August 2007 (UTC)
 * It's all good. :) Katharineamy 14:51, 11 August 2007 (UTC)

Armed Freedom
I agree with everything you wrote. If the Architect of the Capitol is publishing misconceptions then it is okay to point this out and correct the record. My main objection to the paragraph I removed was the weasel words that begin it: "Many visitors have misapprehended..." Which visitors? How common is this misapprehension? There was no evidence presented that this happens at all. --D. Monack | talk 00:04, 15 August 2007 (UTC)

WikiProject The Rolling Stones
Care to join the WP for the Stones? Stan weller 03:53, 15 August 2007 (UTC)
 * So you're not going to joing? Stan weller 03:24, 16 August 2007 (UTC)

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Thumbs Up
No one's ever given me an award before. Thanks. --D. Monack | talk 04:07, 21 August 2007 (UTC)

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Image:Johnny Thunders.jpg
Are you Einar Einarsson Kvaran? If yes, please put it into the description, if not, forward the permission to [mailto:permissions@wikimedia.org permissions@wikimedia.org]. Thanks in advance, --Flominator 12:38, 27 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Yes I am Einar, aka Carptrash, and I am not sure quite how or what to add to the picture description. Recently I've tended to let my stuff, - mostly that was added long before the various templates were set up - just be removed.  There seemed to be some folks who enjoy doing that, why deprive them of their fun.  But yes, that's my shot, taken in Ann Arbor MI, USA maybe a quarter of a century ago..  Carptrash 13:26, 27 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Thank you very much for your reply. I'm sorry for bothering you, but I simply wasn't sure about the origin of the picture. Good work, by the way! Regards, --Flominator 14:23, 27 August 2007 (UTC)

Beaux-Arts architecture
You are correct that the "Beaux-Arts architecture" article is problemmatic. There were multiple Ecoles des Beaux-Arts in France (Paul Cret started at the Ecole in Lyons); the Ecole did not teach the "Beaux-Arts style"--that's an American term;  the Ecole taught a method, not a style, but that's not at all clear from this article.

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Thanks, mistaken identity at CNU
Thanks for the kind words. Mom always had a good sense of humor, and I go on with that.

Did you hear about the goof at University down here? I had heard that in their glossy student, brochure, a certain school published a photo of the Christopher Newport statute at Jamestown? Problem is, there isn't one. It was said that they used Captain John Smith's in error. I am not sure where I read that. Then, a new statute was unveiled of Newport, but he has both arms. He lost one arm over 15 years before he came to Jamestown and this area. I am confused but knew you would probably appreciate all this. Here is a link to a news article. Tee hee. Mark in Historic Triangle 21:32, 28 September 2007 (UTC)

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Merchants' National Bank rating
Hi Carptrash -- You inquired why I gave Merchants' National Bank a "Start" rating and what I think is required to get a higher one within the WP:NRHP project. Actually, I am still relatively new at this and am not at all experienced in rating above "stub" status, which is below "start". I have been visiting articles about National Historic Landmark properties and adding to them the types of NHL / NRHP information links as I did with Merchants, and I have been creating many articles with stub status. For Merchants, there was no rating, and I felt that stub status would be too low. So by my giving it "start" status I meant "higher than stub". Given your inquiry, i visited WikiProject National Register of Historic Places/Assessment. It seems to me that the article could be rated "B" or "Good Article" already. I suggest you put it in for "Good Article" review at this Assessment page and perhaps also mention it at the WP:NRHP talk page, to get a proper review. I enjoyed, very much, the article. It engaged my interest so that I also followed links to Louis Sullivan article and to other properties.

Some comments: I wonder if there is editing appropriate based on the new material in the NHL/NRHP documents that I added. I did not do such editing, i just added the links. Also, the article cites a number of references as a group, without footnoting specific references to specific assertions in the article (except for the new ones i added, which I just attached to the NHL statement in the article). I prefer specific footnoting style of citations. Perhaps some of those references can be used in specific footnotes, others can be in a "For more reading" or "External links" or other category. Again, however, I am new at this and you should not pay too much heed to these comments.

Hope this helps! doncram 17:12, 11 October 2007 (UTC)

Macomber-Whitney
Hey, sorry it took so long to get back to you, I've been busy and away from Wikipedia for a while. I couldn't tell you the name of the architect or anything about the sculpture, but the Macomber building still stands at 1501 Monroe Street, Toledo OH, 43624. The smaller and less-used Whitney building is right next door with the address of 1602 Washington Street, Toledo OH, 43624.

Macomber is divided into three parts for use, possibly four. The cafeteria is used as a cafe restaurant, aptly called the Macomber Cafe. Part of the school, including the gymnasium is home to the Eagle Academy for grades K-5. The part of the building with all of the machine/metal shops is being used by a business that does sheet metal cutting or something to that degree. Whitney is home to the Whitney Adult Education center. I have some photos of the building's exterior and gymnasium I can send to you if you're interested. They're not very detailed, but they show the building's design style. I'm pretty sure Macomber was built in 1938 and Whitney followed in 1939.

Let me know if there's anything else I can help with. Frank12 17:29, 25 October 2007 (UTC)

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Taft galleries
Galleries of free images really belong on Commons, not on Wikipedia, as Wikipedia is not a photo gallery. You probably won't ever find me adding images to galleries, I find them unwieldy and a poor substitute for actual encyclopedia content. I think galleries are most excellent on Commons and should be linked as often as possible from articles using commons and commonscat. That said, images have their place, and if there is a good place for the self-portrait image do please add it back in. IvoShandor 00:20, 6 November 2007 (UTC)
 * You're entitled to your opinion, and I agree, pictures are excellent encylopedic content but are used too often to substitute for genuine substance in an article, which after all, an encyclopedia is supposed to have articles. Well-illustrated articles are even better. A link to Commons is but a click away. I had no intention of removing any galleries without discussion, and consensus. That article existed far before I came along, and just because I don't like galleries, doesn't mean everyone does. No need to act rashly or act like I somehow confirmed your suspicions about the evil Wikipedia. Sheesh. IvoShandor 00:57, 6 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Whatever. I am completely willing to listen to you, and your point of view but you insist on acting like a child. I will no longer be interacting with you. You are violating WP:POINT but I won't press that because I don't care. Enjoy your edit war with no one. IvoShandor 01:07, 6 November 2007 (UTC)
 * I offered to discuss this with you, I didn't "act on my feelings" as you said, your galleries were still intact until you came along a performed a wholesale deletion, to prove some kind of point. Then you come onto my talk page, post some nonsensical bullshit about me disrupting Wikipedia by merely feeling something, and now you expect me to treat you as anything but a troll just looking for a fight? Forget about it buddy. IvoShandor 02:35, 6 November 2007 (UTC)

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I adopted your suggestion, wrote something on my page, and am no longer red.
Thank you for the gentle suggestion.

Thanks for helping out on Mary Stratton. Two-thumbs UP! 7&amp;6=thirteen 20:08, 15 November 2007 (UTC) Stan

Pewabic Pottery issue
Help!

I am having problems with Teapot George. He has consistently eliminated references to Pewabic Potttery from Pottery and Studio Pottery. Likewise, he's dumped references to Arts and Crafts from them. I've tried sending him messages, but we are fast approaching a situation.

7&amp;6=thirteen 13:51, 16 November 2007 (UTC) Stan

Thanks for the perspective
I'm new on the block and do not know the mores and folkways of Wikipedia. I also understand editorial disagreement, but the particulars here are annoying, as they are (at least from this end of the telescope) a disservice to the subject matter.

Pewabic Pottery
Thanks for your note at Pewabic Pottery. I posted a reply to you. I will put something on my page per your suggestion.

If we create an article on Mary Stratton, it would eliminate the (annoying) red ink.

Stan 7&amp;6=thirteen 19:18, 15 November 2007 (UTC)

Pewabic Pottery and Mary Stratton
I have added some stuff, and posted some questions in the Discussion of these two pages. Please take a look see and do what you do best.

Thanks. 7&amp;6=thirteen 22:28, 15 November 2007 (UTC)Stan

Carp:

As I wrote you somewhere else, I am having an issue with Teapot George, who has apparently deemed himself to be the final authority on what can and can't go into Pottery and Studio Pottery. He has decided that Arts and Crafts movement and Pewabic Pottery are not worthy in his world to be posted.Pe

I've tried reasoning with him, but it seems to be an unreasoning ipse dixit.

Here is one of his notes to me.

Plainly, your deletion of the Arts and Crafts Movement was wrong. You also have a different perspective as to which potters are not notable. Would suggest that the individual potteries be put into a different category, thereby not 'cluttering' the internal links (See alsos), while maintaining these. You may not realize, for example, the import of Pewabic Pottery. Your deletion was at the very least parochial and ill-advised. 7&6=thirteen 18:45, 12 November 2007 (UTC)

Hello 7&6=thirteen. It is ironic that you suggest I was parochial as to avoid this was a significant part of the reason for my edit. I editted what was becoming a very long list of individuals' personal favourites. Your accusation of being parochial is plainly wrong when you consider the edit left links to pottery related to Palestine, China, Japan, Native American, England, Greece, Iran and Holland. This lack of a parochial outlook is further supported as I am writing this from Colombia. I removed the Arts and Crafts Movement link as that article on has only a small inclusion on pottery, and that is limited to the USA. Also the import of Pweabic Pottery is very low. It is ony of relevance to the development of Studio Pottery in the USA, which from a global perspective is of such small importance as to be irrelevant. So rather than me being parochial it is you which show a parochial and narrow perspective.

Any wisdom you could impart would be appreciated. 7&amp;6=thirteen 14:46, 16 November 2007 (UTC) Stan

Thank you for the advice and perspective
I'm new on the block and do not know the mores and folkways of Wikipedia. I also understand editorial disagreement, but the particulars here are annoying, as they are (at least from this end of the telescope) a disservice to the subject matter.

7&amp;6=thirteen (talk) 11:02, 17 November 2007 (UTC)Stan

Caulkins article
We need a Caulkins article as a complement to the Pewabic Pottery and the Stratton articles.

I don't know how to start an article.

Here is a good overview of him.

http://www.marshallfredericks.com/ Thomas Brunk and the Fredericks Museum on the importance of Pewabic Pottery, and the partnership between Caulkins and Stratton, Exhibit notes

7&amp;6=thirteen (talk) 15:02, 17 November 2007 (UTC) Stan

==Your followup with Teapot George and a modest suggestion.

Thanks for the follow-up with Teapot George. Hey, I actually apologized to him, so I may not be so Rookish after all. You know, in France they call the Bishop "the fool," which would seem to be a comment on the ecclesiastical powers that be.

I think that the link I put the latest link (Brunk article from the Marshall Fredericks museum) I put in the Stratton and Pewabic article might be a good basis for us to put together a somwhat longer rendition on Statton's article, and could be used as the basis for a Caulkins piece. Good stuff. Thanks.

I'll remember to sign.

7&6=thirteen (talk) 15:19, 17 November 2007 (UTC) Stan

Changes in Trial Movies
Nice job on the [Movie trials]] page. I'm visiting with relatives, and can't sign. 68.43.177.105 (talk) 22:08, 22 November 2007 (UTC) Stan

Created a page for Irving Jacob Reuter
He was the owner of the Medovue, now the English Inn, which is listed in the Pewabic Pottery article. Please check to see that I did this correctly, as this is all new to me. HELP. Thanks.

7&amp;6=thirteen 14:15, 30 November 2007 (UTC)Stan

Is this the discussion page where I am supposed to respond
Sorry for the confusion on my part.

I don't actually 'get' the difference between the user page and the discussion page. I'm violating rules out of ignorance and innocence, not out of anything willful. I apologize for any transgression. Thank you for whatever guidance you can provide.

Feel free to delete anything that I posted in an untoward or unprofessional manner on your user page. Mea culpa. I'll try to do better next time.

7&amp;6=thirteen (talk) 16:57, 17 November 2007 (UTC) Stan

It's good to have a guide.
Thank you for your instruction. 7&amp;6=thirteen (talk) 17:00, 17 November 2007 (UTC) Stan

Dr. Stanley I presume?
Very good.

7&amp;6=thirteen (talk) 20:10, 17 November 2007 (UTC) Stan

Belle Isle Casino
I think that I did not complete my last thought. I think that picture was of a building they call "the Belle Isle casino." I never knew why it was called that. The picture is taken from an odd perspective, and

I'm sure you know also that the picture is definitely not of the Dossin Great Lakes Museum.

As I have spent (in my day) quite a bit of time on Belle Isle, and have canoed in it, kayaked many times around it, and bicycled a whole lot on the island, I have a pretty good knowledge base. That's what I think, FWIW.

7&amp;6=thirteen (talk) 21:08, 17 November 2007 (UTC) Stan

Belle Isle picture
It was a picture that someone sent to you in your "User talk" and they were asking if it was the Detroit Yacht Club or the Great Lakes Museum. Think it was like around last June?

Speaking of the Boer War, one of the best trial movies of all time is "Breaker Morant," which is a British war crimes trial of Aussie troops. Much of the script is taken from the actual transcripts of the trials. It being an Australian film, you can take a guess at who the real villains are. Little known, but I recommend it highly. In my opinion, its one of the three best trial movies made.

01:08, 18 November 2007 (UTC)Stan

Best trial movies
As a reformed trial lawyer and practicing labor arbitrator, I have some basis for these judgments. I note also that my fellow members of the National Academy of Arbitrators, in an informal poll, seemed to have a consensus (although not many had seen Breaker Morant).

The other two movies are Judgment at Nuremberg and Robert Traver's/Michigan Supreme Court Justice Voelkler's Anatomy of a Murder. His book was about a real case in the Upper Peninsula, and the movie by Alfred Hitchcock has an all star cast with awesome performances by, among others, Jimmy Stewart and Ben Gazzara. It was filmed in the Upper Peninsula.

Many years ago there was a television show called the Andersonville trials which was awesome. I don't know if its available now, but it relied heavily on transcripts of the trial, and was very true to life.

Even though it is not technically a "trial movie," I thought the legal principles (and the performances) in Twelve Angry Men -- which may be playing of coming to the Fisher Theater soon (I played the the lead [George C. Scott] in my high school play -- embody a lot of good legal principles, without letting them bog down the movie.

I try to do the double bracket thing when I'm writing articles, but you are right that it would be nice to do it in a letter.

The problem with doing it: sometimes (e.g. with Voelkler) I can't remember all the information I need, and that would necessitate me to go do a save, and then go look for it. In any event, the Traver link will take you to the Voelker article.

7&amp;6=thirteen (talk) 15:43, 18 November 2007 (UTC)Stan

I would suggest that you take a look at the Outhouse article, speaking of septics. I totally rewrote that over the last couple of months.

You wrote I should look at WWW or something? I can't make that out.

Your are right about Amistad.

I note that we share an interest in architecture.

Sometime we should get together. If you are an east sider and like beer, I have just the place. Dragonmead (the finest microbrewery in the state) is opening a cask today of two year old bourbon barrel conditioned ale (don't now what type).

Unfortunately, I have a teaching engagement at the U of M law school this afternoon, and can't be there today.

But tomorrow would work if you were interested. Let me know.

Have a happy and (anti)septic experience.

7&amp;6=thirteen (talk) 16:27, 19 November 2007 (UTC)Stan

IWW
IWW Never mind. I get it. I thought they were from another age. Learn something every day.

7&amp;6=thirteen (talk) 16:31, 19 November 2007 (UTC) Stan

The IWW and Dragonmead
Thank you for the update.

To make a long story short, Dragonmead (the cultural highlight of Warren) opened up the two year old bourbon barrel conditioned barley wine. My brother in law was kind enough to pick up some. Very long story. Very expensive. I've got some at my house. Let me know if you can share. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 7&6=thirteen (talk • contribs) 03:12, 20 November 2007 (UTC)

Barley wine
Geography would be an unsuperable obstacle. Unless you want to book a flight (just kidding).

I noticed that you had a lot of contributions in matters concerning Detroit and environs, and I made an incorrect assumption about your locale.

Sorry that you'll miss the Barley wine, which is really a strong ale, i.e., a souped-up form of beer

7&amp;6=thirteen (talk) 15:48, 20 November 2007 (UTC) Stan

Your knowledge of Michigan shows
Thanks for the explanation. You obviously have a lot of architectural knowledge, which is admirable. I did my undergrad at the U of M, and know the area well. As a matter of fact, I was actually teaching at their law school yesterday, and interacting with the students was great fun. Anyway, if you should ever get out here, we can tip a few. FYI, my E-mail address is. Please delete the E-mail adddress from this message after you've reviewed it. Best to you. Cheers! 7&amp;6=thirteen (talk) 04:21, 21 November 2007 (UTC) Stan

Best trial movies
Take a look at Anatomy of a Murder which I've reedited. 7&amp;6=thirteen (talk) 17:05, 21 November 2007 (UTC) Stan

Best Trial movies
I also think we should add And Justice for All. It deals with Judicial Qualifications Commissions and judicial, misconduct and misfeasance, malfeasance, incapacity and misbehavior by judges. Al Pacino was good in it. At the time it was released, I was working as a staff attorney for the Michigan Judicial Tenure Commission. When I was leaving the movie, a number of spectators were opining how 'that movie was unrealistic.'  My opinion was that it was like 'being at work.' 7&amp;6=thirteen (talk) 17:33, 21 November 2007 (UTC)Stan
 * It is still there, and there have been some recent improvements. Cheers.  7&amp;6=thirteen (talk) 00:04, 6 May 2009 (UTC) Stan

Did I forget to sign something?
Carp:

Did I err somewhere? I do try to sign if I am on a discussion page.

7&amp;6=thirteen (talk) 17:47, 21 November 2007 (UTC) Stan

Reprise: Best Trial Movies (The Bounty, 1984)
This is the one starring Anthony Hopkins. I seem to recall that the courtroom scenes (admittedly a small part of the movie) were from the actual transcripts, and had a really good realistic feel to them.

7&amp;6=thirteen (talk) 18:39, 21 November 2007 (UTC) Stan

Started a new article called "Trial Movies"
One of our editing contributors came through and tossed out a lot of material I put together in Anatomy of a Murder. I think that material had merit. I started a new article called Trial movies It is listed as a See also in Anatomy of a Murder.

I don't know anything about starting a new article. Would you please check it out and backstop me. Thanks.

Feel free to change the title. 7&amp;6=thirteen (talk) 04:00, 22 November 2007 (UTC)Stan

Wiki search and Destroy
I get the idea. OTOH, M is such an important and wonderful movie that it deserves an article.

You are also right about people who don't know anything about the world, other than the rules. I'm going to slow down. And I now I'm going ot be irritated with the Wikians trashing some good thought.

If you have any ideas or improvements on the Trial movies it would be appreciated. It needs a better into. And it is really an opinion piece -- albeit with useful info. We need to make the article more insightful (and inciteful). I don't want to steal from the ABA piece, but we could parallel it, and talk about the merits of individual movies.

7&amp;6=thirteen (talk) 16:30, 22 November 2007 (UTC) Stan

Opinions, etc.
Putting in links to movies is not such a big problem. We can do individual talk (with links/references to individual movies. Rottentomatoes.com is a great source for reviews from many main line reviews, which we can link to.  We can even put in the name of the reviewer, the magazine or newspaper, and then bury the link of RT.com.  I'll try to follow up on your instruction.

7&amp;6=thirteen (talk) 00:07, 23 November 2007 (UTC) stan

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WPA graphic on commuity sanitation in Outhouse article
Dear Carp

Thanks for doing that. Now we'll see if the Wiki gods look favorably upon our humble offering

7&amp;6=thirteen (talk) 20:21, 25 November 2007 (UTC) Stan

Do you think the WPA outhouse Art Deco graphic needs a caption?
Outhouse. Nuf said. 7&amp;6=thirteen (talk) 20:29, 25 November 2007 (UTC) Stan

Outhouse pictures and Outhouse world
Carptrash:

I like totally rewrote this article under my prior user ID.

It seemed like a worthwhile project, a chance to do something unheralded on a subject that nobody would deem very important (which has been good, as I've not gotten a whole lot of hassle --yet -- from the Wiki thought police. Fortunately, except for the editorial banner that was added a couple of weeks ago (NEEDS TO BE EDITED, etc.) this has not been high on their rada.

I thought I could turn this article into something that would be better than what you would find in the Encyclopedia Britannica. I know, that's hubris. But it seemed like a challenge, and even the name was a suitable metaphor for the way I was feeling at the time.

Anywayz, to see what I did, you would have to go back like 200 to 300 edits of that article.

The references need to be worked up and put at the bottom of the page with suitable memos to complement them. That will be a big job.

Plus, I live in fear that some idiot is going to come through and trash a lot of what I did. That will be a source of some irritation.

I'll think about the caption. I've got to actually go back and do some work and get the bills paid.

7&amp;6=thirteen (talk) 21:23, 25 November 2007 (UTC)Stan

Outhouse article
FYI, I started editing the Outhouse article on September 9. 7&amp;6=thirteen (talk) 21:40, 25 November 2007 (UTC) Stan

Thanks
For the recommendation, I will look for that. I try to use books, or journal articles where I can, they are usually far more accurate, I guess it depends on the topic. I am expecting Sauk Chief Black Hawk's 1833 autobiography in the mail any day now, so I am psyched about that. Also, sorry I called you a troll a couple weeks back, obviously I was having some issues. I hope you restored those photos. :)IvoShandor (talk) 22:45, 26 November 2007 (UTC)

Outhouse article and Pewabic article
Carp:

I did the caption on Outhouse. Thanks for doing the work so that I could put in the caption. Let me know what you think.

I also did the references on Pewabic Pottery. I want to broaden that article out to include a little bit more on the glaze and on the impact of Freer, who provided a lot of aesthetic inspiriation, particularly by bringing in his vast collection of pottery.

Any thoughts?

Best to you. 7&amp;6=thirteen (talk) 23:52, 28 November 2007 (UTC)Stan

I added more references and an external link to Pewabic Pottery. The maps that I referenced list a whole lot more locations than we have listed. They include addresses, decription of what was done (e.g., fireplace), and the dates (usually) the tile was put n.

In your opinion, is any of this worthwhile including in the article?

Your advice would be most welcome.

7&amp;6=thirteen (talk) 16:59, 29 November 2007 (UTC)Stan 7&amp;6=thirteen (talk) 16:58, 29 November 2007 (UTC)Stan

Two kinds of people
My father used to say that there are two kinds of people in Michigan. (a) those who have sinus problems; and (b) those who will have sinus problems.

I think you are right about the Wikipedians, too.

I'll muddle through and include, knowing that editorial viewpoints and approaches differ; fortunately, even though some 'limiter' may strike, Pewabic Pottery isn't [thus far] on many people's radar.

Thanks for your wise cousel.

7&amp;6=thirteen (talk) 18:40, 29 November 2007 (UTC)Stan

Marshall Fredericks
Carptrash:

The Marshall Fredericks article has recently been extensively rewritten. I got one of the curators from the MF Museum interested, and there were substantial rewrites. I redid the bibliography and external links. Given your interest in obscurer sculptors, it might be of interest. 7&amp;6=thirteen (talk) 20:37, 29 November 2007 (UTC)Stan

Caspar Buberl
Hello, in response to your query on my talk page I tagged this article as it seemed to edge into the scope of the Military memorials and cemeteries taskforce ("This task force covers all military memorials, monuments, and cemeteries, regardless of the country or conflict to which they relate."). The article appeared to be in reasonable shape which is why I assessed it as a start, do you feel I over-rated it? More than happy for you to adjust my assessment :-) Parsival74 (talk) 03:42, 30 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Hi again, I noticed you were looking for the WikiProject Military history/Military memorials and cemeteries task force, I should have linked it for you the first time. Not sure how active that taskforce is, but I think the subject may be a bit of a slow burner.  I'm sure they'd appreciate your expertise on the subject, and the talk page there would be the best place to ask for a reassessment of the article.  By the way, your suggestion for a motto gave me a chuckle Parsival74 20:12, 4 December 2007 (UTC)

Reuter, Albers, Eaton Rapids, et al.
I enjoy doing all this. It is like the "connections" program. When you look at Irving Jacob Reuter, it will lead you to the links of Eaton Rapids (which I've added to) and to the new article I created on the Most Reverend Joseph H. Albers. I also added references to that in Eaton Rapids, Michigan. Finally, I went through all the movies listed in Trial movies and added a "See also" for trial movies to them.

The failure to list the English Inn probably is due to its being well off the beaten path. Plus, Reuter more or less fades off into obscurity (I think based on Googling his name) after he suddenly leaves GM in 1936, except for the philanthropy stuff later. Of course, my guess is that his tenure at Oldsmobile was linked to the effects of the Great Depression.

FWIW, I've stayed at the English Inn many times, and in fact did an on line review. I'll send you the link. Not that you'll ever get out there, but its a really ***** star restaurant, great English pub, and a fabulous B&B (they've got a lot of the original furnishings, with are like 19th century British antiques).

7&amp;6=thirteen 17:17, 30 November 2007 (UTC)Stan

Here's my review of the English Inn
http://travel.yahoo.com/p-hotel-387510-the_english_inn-i Not that you care. 7&amp;6=thirteen 18:05, 30 November 2007 (UTC)Stan

Riverside Church
When I placed that tag, what I was thinking was that basically the article looked like it might, potentially, be at least a solid B class article, if there were more citations. Some projects have created rather stricter standards for B class lately, and it was more than anything else an indication that with a few more footnotes, that article itself could probably qualify. It wasn't really intended to be any sort of challenge to the existing content. The only really potentially dubious matters I can see are the "Clergy" sentence, which could use a bit of clarification regarding whether those individuals are all current or not, and maybe an illustration of one of the "Artwork". But, as is the article is at the very least a solid Start, but with a few more reference citations and other tweaks I think would be a probably be an equally solid B. John Carter 15:54, 1 December 2007 (UTC)

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Linclon memorial
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English Tudor or something else
Carptrash:

Would you please take a gander at Irving Jacob Reuter and make sure I've used the right architectural style to describe the building.

The Tudorbethan page (and issues) seems to be a really contested area, and I'm out of my depth here.

Thanks.

7&amp;6=thirteen 17:35, 4 December 2007 (UTC)Stan

Tudor rivival, etc.
Carptrash:

Irving Jacob Reuter house has links to the English Innn pages.

Or if you go here

http://www.englishinn.com/photoalbum.htm

there are some pictures.

The English Inn webpage also has more picture linked in their "History" section.

I did also post this on the Discussion section of the Tudorbeathean page. We can let them argue it out.

7&amp;6=thirteen 18:41, 4 December 2007 (UTC) Stan

Clearly, I walked into a hornet's nest, but I like your solution.
You are IMHO right on. That Wikipedia is a world work does not mean that every part of the world has to homogenized into some pureed form of limes. So to speak.

This reminds me of the earlier problem with TeapotGeorge and Pottery. He wrote that Pewabic was infinitesmally insignificant, and degraded Arts and Crafts as being "American" when plainly it was an international movement.

In any event, my point is that there is room for different views of the world, and that we ought not to be required to speak in one Oxford-accented voice as though we were all in London.

Half a league. Half a league onward. Into the valley of death rode the valiant six hundred. ..

Or to be more American about it, as Admioral Dewey said, "Damn the torpedoes and full speed ahead."

7&amp;6=thirteen 19:01, 4 December 2007 (UTC) Stan

Meadowbrook Hall at Oakland University, Rochester, Michigan
Here is a really good and lavish example of Tudor Revival architecture. I've been in it, and it has the carvings, the beams, the ornate brick work. Meadowbrook hall and Matilda Dodge Wilson are apparently not yet covered in Wikipedia, but they should be.

http://www2.oakland.edu/oakland/OUportal/index.asp?site=87

The main hall is GIGANTIC and magnificent.

I'm sure if you google Meadowbrook Hall Rochester Michigan you can see more pictures.

Matilda Dodge Wilson was Detroit car money in a very big way.

Although not as large, parts of this building reminded me of Biltmore estate.

This is not just putting a couple of faux beams on the front of a ticky-tacky tract house.

It was English Tudor, but done in a different time, but with the same ingredients and flair.

BTW, I don't have pictures of the English Inn Irving Jacob Reuter tile. I wish I did. They had some rose colors in the "Bath Room" -- that's what it was called -- and some yellows in the other end of the house (where the funny fish renderings are, that I've not seen in the Pewabic palette.

Although I was just looking at the Michigan State University art school website, and they described on one of their pages (about a walking tour of the campus to see Pewabic) how Mary Chase Perry Stratton would alter what they would do to fit the particular needs of the client, and how it was evidenced in the work she did at MSU.

BTW, the Michigan State University art school has a web page where they show the art that is on campus, including a whole lot of friezes on buildings (although no pictures of the Pewabic work unfortunately).

You might want to take a look.

19:34, 4 December 2007 (UTC) Stan

Meadow Brook Hall

Meadow Brook Hall

Address: Meadow Brook Hall 480 South Adams Road Oakland University Campus Rochester Hills, MI 48309-4401

Phone: (248)370-3140 Fax: (248)370-4260

Email: glaza@oakland.edu

Links: Meadow Brook Hall

Oakland University's Meadow Brook Hall is a magnificent 110-room, Tudor-revival style mansion; former residence of Matilda Dodge Wilson, widow of auto pioneer John Dodge, and her second husband, Alfred Wilson. Daily tours year round, educational programs, special events and facility rental. The Gardens are open year-round to walk through at no cost.

They also have a Meadow Brook Hall Concours D'elegance that takes place there.

19:38, 4 December 2007 (UTC) Stan

Pictures of Meadow Brook estate
Matilda Dodge was married to (and became the widow of) one of the Dodge brothers. She married Wilson, a lumber baron. They built a 180 room 86,000 square foot mansion.

Here is a link to 171 photos of the estate.

http://m-j-b.smugmug.com/gallery/546815#22678212

7&amp;6=thirteen 19:46, 4 December 2007 (UTC)Stan

Tudor
You don't need an admin for that. You can do that yourself easily. (if you know how of course). When you click on Tudor Revival you are redirected to another page. When you are on that page, you see under the title "(Redirected from Tudor Revival)". Then you click on the link there to Tudor Revival and you end up on the redirect page. That page you can edit, remove the redirect and create your article. Alternatively you can click on this link and go straight to the redirect page. Hope that helps. Garion96 (talk) 22:36, 4 December 2007 (UTC)

Adding a picture to Detroit and Mackinac Railway
Dear Carp:[

I think that this article Detroit and Mackinac Railway would look better with the railroads logo of the railroad in it. The railroad ceased to exist, so I don't see copyright issues. The logo can be found by clicking on the external link.

Detroit and Mackinac Railway photographs and history.

For some reason, the Wikipedia link to the article doesn't seem to be working. Don't know why.

Thanks

7&amp;6=thirteen (talk) 12:20, 5 December 2007 (UTC)Stan

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Wouldn't the copyright on this material be long ago expired? Once that is established, then fair use is irrelevant.

Since you evidently have the book, send them the copyright page, and that should end the discussion. Unless rules are different in Wiki-land, and there are forever copyrights. But I think not.

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Copyright expired, so fair use is irrelevant
Dear Carp:

Wouldn't the copyright on this material be long ago expired? Once that is established, then fair use is irrelevant.

Since you evidently have the book, send them the copyright page, and that should end the discussion. Unless rules are different in Wiki-land, and there are forever copyrights. But I think not.

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James Caulkins
Carp:

Just noticed you opened up a stub on him. I'll work on it.

Best. 7&amp;6=thirteen (talk) 18:32, 14 December 2007 (UTC)Stan

Thank you.
Kind words are always appreciated. Keep in touch! Warm regards, Neutralitytalk 04:53, 29 December 2007 (UTC)

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Richard Halliburton
I don't know if the article is still on your watchpage, but if you still have any interest in Richard Halliburton, I'd appreciate your eye over my recent changes.BrainyBabe (talk) 15:19, 2 January 2008 (UTC)

War memorials
Please see here for my response. Thanks. Carcharoth (talk) 15:35, 2 January 2008 (UTC)

Hi there.
Hi there. I'm actually new to this. I mean, the photo uploading. Didn't mean to come across rude. This is actually the first "talk" that I've done on Wiki, so apologies if I'm doing this wrong. Just have experienced a big love of the sculpture around me (in DC) and wanting to share what I'm seeing. Any pointers are very much appreciated. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Danvera (talk • contribs) 17:56, 2 January 2008 (UTC)

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Well I can see how Tina could evoke that response in a man!

I'm afraid that my flirtation is really a secondary dalliance to my lifelong obsession with Frida Kahlo.As with many shy lovers I attempt to sublimate my unrequited love by trying to chat up her (marginallly) less intimidating friend! Maybe some time I'll summon up the courage to fully declare, my affections for she of the magical monobrow!

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Removal of your pictures
Carptrash:

I don't have any idea the scope of your prior pictorial contributions, but I've seen the excellence of their composition, execution, judgment and subject matter. Your pulling these will leave a vast hole.

I am not privy to what prompted this -- although the incessant nattering from Wikibots on your talk page gives me an inkling.

It is indeed tragic that something can't be worked out.

I don't know the interminglings of copyright law and Wiki policy. I know these were pictures you took, so how they came to be prohibited seems arcane and arbitrary.

Is there not someone in Wikiland who can forestall this and end the controversy in a principled way that will not cause such mass destruction?

Of course, I wish you well. Best to you 7&amp;6=thirteen (talk) 01:36, 6 January 2008 (UTC)Stan

Carp/Einar:


 * Good to hear from you, too. Sorry it's under these circumstances.  You have my condolences on the loss of your friend.


 * You took the pictures, and released them, so presumably that's not the issue.


 * Are they saying that you can't publish a photo of a copyrighted sculpture in a public place? That seems odd to me.


 * If you would provide me with the name of the gentleperson who is harassing you, I'd be pleased to tell him or her what I think.


 * Meanwhile, I've been gunking around in Michigan geography. Completely rewrote the Northern Michigan article, for example.


 * Best to you. 7&amp;6=thirteen (talk) 02:22, 6 January 2008 (UTC)Stan

I have a couple of friends who are patent lawyers who might be willing to delve into the question
Dear Carp:

I have a couple of friends who are patent lawyers who might be willing to delve into the question of whether a photo taken of a sculpture is a violation of copyright. I assume that most of these are sculptures that re in public places. I'm not trying to create work for you, but if you could suggest your theory and the underlying facts, I would be willing to talk to them.

7&amp;6=thirteen (talk) 02:39, 6 January 2008 (UTC)Stan

Maquette image and article format
Hi talk:Carptrash, thanks for the note. You are welcome. CApitol3 (talk) —Preceding comment was added at 18:01, 9 January 2008 (UTC)

Copyright and stuff
Sorry to butt in but this is disturbing, the mass deletion of your photos.

From what I have read as long as a shot has some claim to originality a new copyright can be claimed, the copyright just doesn't extend to the actual sculpture but rather the new image's setting, composition, etc. etc. The wiki-copyright nazi's are destroying this project.Aujourd&#39;hui, maman est morte (talk) 11:04, 12 January 2008 (UTC)

Why did you delete
the image Birth of Psyche at Einar Jonsson? it was mine, it said so etc. Usually I get told if one of my images is up to go down. Should I just pull all my images out of the article as I did at Lee Lawrie? Save you the trouble? Carptrash (talk) 03:53, 17 January 2008 (UTC)


 * If you're referring to Image:BirthOfPsycheEJ.jpg, it was deleted by User:East718 because it was marked as a non-free image, but did not have an explanation as to why it met Wikipedia's non-free content criteria. User:BetacommandBot notified you about this on January 1. --Carnildo (talk) 04:41, 17 January 2008 (UTC)

I sort of get the feeling
What you are going through has happened to me to (and probably will again). United States copyright law sucks in general for users (great for creators, I guess). I'm just finding things to photograph and add that I think (at this time) should be copyright free. -Regards Nv8200p talk 01:37, 18 January 2008 (UTC)

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Don't delete your photos.
Someone is misreading the copyright on sculpture and monuments. It appears that the copyright law regarding sculpture only applies where the sculptor has registered the copyright, where the holder has retained ownership, and probably only where substantial revenue is involved. See this case Art Monthly. Art Monthy states the public sculptures like the ones discussed here may be photographed, filmed, or drawn with the knowledge of the sculptor. "Sculptures situated in public places can easily be photographed, filmed, or drawn without the knowledge of the sculptor, and such two-dimensional reproductions might equally easily be merchandised commercially." See Art Monthly (11-1-2006) for an explaination of the issues. Thomas Paine1776 (talk) 20:02, 18 January 2008 (UTC)


 * Thanks for the note, I do have a great deal of regard for your photos. Very impressive research too. Hopefully, you will continue. Its incredible that some would expend energy to censor, but that is all the more reason to continue. Your Detroit photos are especially appreciated.  When you publish your book, let me know. (BTW, you know you can self publish through a Barnes and Noble site called I-Universe and people can purchase your book online). Thomas Paine1776 (talk) 16:50, 19 January 2008 (UTC)

I-Universe online bookstore
Here is a link to their online bookstore so you can see what others have written.I-Universe online bookstore.Thomas Paine1776 (talk) 18:41, 19 January 2008 (UTC)

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Hi, I don't mean to be hostile but I am trying to make sure your photos are compatible with Wikipedia's mission as a free encylopedia. It is important to recognize that sculptures are copyrighted just like other works of art, so you can't take pictures of them and release them under free licenses unless the sculpture itself is out of copyright (see derivative work). I'm currently going through your old photos and noting the copyright status of the sculptures where the dates are specified. If the date is pre-1923, I'm making that clear so there won't be any challenges later. Where it is obviously post-1923 I'm nominating it for deletion. I'm going to leave a running list here of sculptures I couldn't identify/find a date, where it is plausible that they might be public domain. If you could name the sculptures or provide a date some of these may be able to be kept. If I don't hear back for a while I'll nominate them for deletion later. So here goes, for the first entry... Calliopejen1 (talk) 17:28, 25 January 2008 (UTC)
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Hippie in distress

 * Bonne Année, Carp
 * Last time I saw you you looked like a hippie in distress: the hat! (the wig ?)
 * I am taking it easy clopedianwise, but seeing you beset by a monstruous damsel...well, it broke my heart.
 * Why am I not a lawyer ? Probably for the same reason I not a medical doctor; exept... it used to sound humerous while now I see that is exactly the reason why I can not help.
 * Anyway, I am putting some stuff on Talk:Phallus just to keep it simmering.
 * We will be old but we will get there !
 * Que te parece a ti ?
 * Lunarian (talk) 11:55, 27 January 2008 (UTC)
 * P.S. I could not find the blog.

re:a couple of points.
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replied on my talk page. Calliopejen1 (talk) 17:35, 3 February 2008 (UTC)

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Thanks for saying hello. Yes, I can see you have been through the ringer with your photos. Sorry to see that. They say that there are two things that one should not watch being made, sausages and laws. I would add Wiki articles to that list. I'm not beaten into submission, but the jury is still out as to whether I have the patience for the process.--Mbilitatu (talk) 08:18, 6 February 2008 (UTC)

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Art Deco removals
Somebody just decided that the Art Deco article would be better with the Buhl Building and the Wrigley Building as they are 'definitely not Art Deco." There is an explanation on the talk page.  Thought you might be interested.  Haven't heard from  you in  a while.  Noticed that you gutted the pictures on Marshall Fredericks.   It's a pity.  Best to you.  01:42, 12 February 2008 (UTC)Stan  Had to correct the buildings.  Sorry for my mistake.  Best  7&amp;6=thirteen (talk) 11:58, 12 February 2008 (UTC)Stan

Henry Stephens (lumberman)
Thanks for the update. I get upset by those who are not lawyers and go out of their way to misinterpret the law. These Luddites who natter on about copyright and fair use don't seem to understand the law. I recognize that my area of expertise is not intellectual property, but I would bet dollars to donuts that they've got it wrong, vis a viz photos of artistic works that are out in public.

Anyway, Henry Stephens is still there. I rather strenuously and immediately protested, and they removed the tag. The laziness or unwillingness to read the article before using their power to threaten deletion is galling. I recognize that anyone can write an article on any subject ("Why 7&5=thirteen is God's gift to the planet" for example) and that there ought to be a standard of notability. On the other hand, the text, links and references I put in the article made it abundantly clear that this was a silly issue -- an arbitrary abuse of power by the person who challenged it. This was an example of "Ipse dixit" -- it's true because they say so.

Really made me very angry.

Fortunately, they backed off on Henry Stephens. They were almost apologetic, or at least abject in their recognition.

Best regards. 7&amp;6=thirteen (talk) 18:27, 12 February 2008 (UTC)Stan

Frank Murphy
Carp:

I know that most of this article is outside your subject matter (not the sculpture, of course). I've spent quite a bit of time and effort writing this, and would appreciate any wisdom or insight you might offer.

It was rated as "Start class" which may have been right before I did all this rewriting, but I think is seriously wrong now.

One question I had was about the use in External links of all the sources we put into the footnotes. I haven't don that.

Best again. 7&amp;6=thirteen (talk) 18:25, 12 February 2008 (UTC)Stan


 * Good addition on the sculpture. Thanks for the help.  7&amp;6=thirteen (talk) 10:54, 16 February 2008 (UTC)Stan


 * I'm sure you are right about Fredericks. If you want, take a look at the article that is the reference, from the Detroit News.  I think that Fredericks used this as an opportunity to "help" his mentor (an interesting role reversal, albeit post humously), and to further build a relationship with the City of Detroit and the UAW.  Probably not truly altruistic.  Plus, he was able to get the statue placed, albeit on a 24 foot high penis -- er, I mean obelisk --so that nobody could actually see the nudity.  Not to mention that the whole set up is so high that you can hardly see the sculpture at all, except in the broadest form.  In the Milles article that I added too, I put in the fact that he had someone who was a fig leaf installer working for him.  I thought it was funny, and a sad commentary on the closed minds of greater America.


 * Of course, in Wiki one is not supposed to claim any article as "mine," and doing so is seen as bad form. Of course, there is very little in Frank Murphy that I didn't put together (albeit from somewhere else), but I brought in the pieces, rewrote it and synthesized it.  On the other hand, I didn't write it to claim ownership, and I really would welcome any superior perspective.


 * In any event, I would defer to your expertise. Whatever you want to say is OK with me.  7&amp;6=thirteen (talk) 21:46, 16 February 2008 (UTC)Stan


 * I put in a link to a provocative picture of "the Hand of God" which is done in blue, and really highlights (better than any other picture I've run across) what the fuss was about. Frank Murphy  Hope everything is going well with you.  Best regards.  7&amp;6=thirteen (talk) 00:02, 29 April 2008 (UTC) Stan

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Gate of Hope

 * My friend,
 * Have you or anyone stumbled on this:
 * | $107:fair use
 * I just did.
 * See: Alexander Liberman Image:Gate of Hope
 * Lunarian (talk) 16:01, 14 February 2008 (UTC)
 * So you did.
 * My reactiontime is still on wintersleep.
 * Lunarian (talk) 16:15, 14 February 2008 (UTC)

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Hans Schuler
I finally got off my duff and took some photos for the Hans Schuler article. I need to redo the Sidney Lanier, however; it's a bit washed out. But lord, wasn't Schuler a fabulous sculptor! MdArtLover (talk) 01:27, 16 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Thanks for fixing that Lanier photo, buttercup! I'll go with the version you did. I don't care whose it "really" is. MdArtLover (talk) 02:54, 16 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Oh, wait. Could you please add "I did this photo myself and it's totally utterly free and uncopyrighted and can be fairly used in anything"etc. ? Otherwise the copyright harpies will descend on it and shred it to pieces. Thanks! MdArtLover (talk) 03:01, 16 February 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for adding my photo to the greenmount article! And hey, did your wife come to Baltimore and do a Schuler pilgrimage? What did she think? His sculptures are so extravagant and dramatic, yet also, somehow, sober and noble. Their dark, brooding power is so Baltimore. The best artistry associated with Baltimore - think of Poe, Billy Holiday, Jane Frank - has that kind of grand, dark sadness, tinged with something grotesque and unhealthy. Even John Waters arguably has it. MdArtLover (talk) 20:35, 21 February 2008 (UTC)

Penile research
Carp:

I had run across some of your work on the subject. The EMU water tower even had a foreskin, for god's sake.

I'm waiting for them to get rid of the Trial movies pieces as being a blend of original thought and opinion. Hell, the whole Anatomy of a Murder piece (the litigation part) was original thought, and I wrote it and have been using it for years in my work. I stuck a couple of citations on it (Black's Law Dictionary 6th ed., and a psyhological study) just to dress it up. And they loved it. 23:25, 16 February 2008 (UTC)Stan

Have a safe trip to CA.
That kind of surgery can be tough, so I hope your friend does well. Be sure to tell her to sign up and go through therapy, because it will help and she'll need it. My wife went through a "uniknee" replacement in June, and she had two surgeries before that. I know. Godspeed. 7&amp;6=thirteen (talk) 02:19, 18 February 2008 (UTC)Stan

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Pewabic Pottery
Carp:

The following is a note I received from Thomas Brunk. I have not done anything with it, but we need to make some changes in the article to reflect this information.

Sat, 19 Jan 2008 08:50:41 -0500 From:	"Thomas W. Brunk, Ph.D."  To:	E-mail address deleted Subject:	Wikipedia Pewabic

Dear Mr. [Name deleted]

At the request of Anne Crane I reviewed the Pewabic article at Wikipedia.

I realize that the map on the Pewabic web page has some inaccuracies; however, the Belle Isle Aquarium is not one of them. The aquarium was built before Pewabic was producing tile. I believe that you will discover the tile to have been made by Grueby Faience Co., Boston.

The founders were Mary Chase Perry (later Mrs. William B. Stratton) and Horace James Caulkins.

Pewabic Pottery was deeded to Michigan State University December 21, 1965 by Horace J. Caulkins'son Henry L. Caulkins to be operated as a school. The pottery closed on February 28, 1969, and all Pewabic production stopped. It was then operated as a continuing education department of MSU.

The Pewabic Society, Inc. (501(c)3) was formed January 25, 1979,to find a means to operate the facility as an educational entity based on the philosophy of the Arts and Crafts Movmement as expressed in the spirit of Pewabic Pottery. I was among the founding members at that time. I began working at MSU/Pewabic in 1974 as curator and archivist. Later I served as president of The Pewabic Society, Inc.

The MSU Trustees affirmed that the university could no longer continue ownership and management of Pewabic Pottery on April 4, 1981.

The Pewabic Society, Inc. agreed to take over the pottery and the deed was formally transferred on September 26, 1981. Pottery and tile production was reintroduced about three years later. However, todays production uses neither the same glazes nor firing techniques as the original Pewabic. Original molds are used to create reproduction tiles and some molded vessels.

This distinction must be made not only between the reproduced individual tile but the commission executed under the guise of The Pewabic Society, Inc.

The Wikipedia list of architectural commissions has several inacuracies.

Anne Crane's daughter did a yeoman's task in preparing and presenting the map for our use. We are grateful for her efforts and I am sure Anne is please by your recognition.

I am happy to help you in any way to make the article the best possible, and, I belive, the others on our Museum Committe feel the same.

Sincerely,

Dr. Thomas W. Brunk

BCC: Anne Crane,

I thought I'd send this on to you and to BKonrad, so that we can make some changes. I note that the article on the Belle Isle Aquarium has the same wrong information.

Best. 7&amp;6=thirteen (talk) 22:26, 20 March 2008 (UTC)Stan

David
Hi Carp! Do you really have a photo of Bernini's David? It would be great if you could put it up, cause an article on the sculpture without a picture of the sculpture is close to meaningless. There are certainly a lot of fanatic deletionists out there, but I still haven't seen self-made images being deleted! Lampman  Talk to me! 14:15, 24 March 2008 (UTC)
 * That's just crazy, I understand your frustration! Lampman  Talk to me! 19:36, 24 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Well, thanks for trying. I've posted a request on wanted photos, so we'll see what happens. Lampman  <font color="Olive">Talk to me! 15:36, 25 March 2008 (UTC)

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Images
I would love to try to help fix the images if possible...do you still have the sources? Author, date, and country of publication is what we really need. Anything that we can't make a public domain assertion for, I think could qualify as fair use. Kelly hi! 16:42, 22 April 2008 (UTC)
 * OK, thanks! I will try to fix the image sourcing either tonight or tomorrow morning. Also, can you tell if this image is the same Audrey Munson? (LOC has some other pictures of her, but they may not be in the public domain.) Also, do you still have the e-mail or whatever from the copyright holder of the photos you uploaded, or can you get back in touch with them? If so, I'd be happy to give you the text of the license release to pass along, and help you get the images registered. Kelly  hi! 01:13, 25 April 2008 (UTC)
 * So sorry for the delay, but I fixed the descriptions and licensing on all the Audrey Munson images. A quick favor...if you happen to ever look at the source books again, it would be nice to specify exactly which of the two books each sculpture picture came from. But it's not a huge deal since both books are in the public domain. Also, do you happen to know who the sculptor(s) were for Autumn, Pacific, and Fountain of Flowers? I'd like to include that in the image description if possible. Kelly  hi! 13:58, 29 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Hi, Carp! I don't think you'll need to any e-mail details for the photos of Audrey Munson...the films from which the images are taken are clearly in the public record as having been produced and distributed prior to 1923, so there's no doubt about their public domain status. Those images are on the Commons now and should have no problems (I included links there to IMDb so the details can be accessed.) The only reason I didn't move the sculpture images there as well is that rules for photos of 3D art are more complex, and I'm not confident yet with my knowledge of how the sculptor's copyrights work. But they should be just fine here on en Wikipedia. Please drop me a line any time you need assistance, as I don't want to lose any more of these valuable images if at all possible. With respect - Kelly  hi! 14:34, 29 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Ugh, that's terrible news! It is true that photos of copyrighted sculptures need two license tags - one for the photo and one for the sculpture (that's what the non-free 3D art tag is for). But deletion should not have been necessary, all that's needed is a fair-use rationale. I'm so sorry to hear that happened to you. If there are any particular images you would like to get undeleted and fixed, let me know and I will be happy to help. Kelly  hi! 16:21, 29 April 2008 (UTC)

WikiProject Christianity
Hello !

You are receiving this invitation because you are a member of one of the related Christianity Projects and I thought that you might be interested in this project also - Tinucherian (talk) 04:25, 24 April 2008 (UTC)

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BAID
The BAID article, for which you have been a primary author, presents some issues of emphasis. The article ought to focus primarily on architectural education, since that was the focus of BAID. The material on sculptors seems secondary.Chesterct (talk) 14:40, 6 May 2008 (UTC)

Update Thanks for the additional information. I stand corrected. I have never heard of the BAID having anything to do w/ sculpture but you have posted articles with evidence that it did. The sources of the articles you posted on my talk page would be of interest--and these might be cited (footnotes) in the BAID article.

Perhaps the best solution for the BAID article would be to divide the main part into two sections -- one dealing with architecture, the other with sculpture. As far as I can tell the two parts were quite distinct since the essays written about how the architecture part operated never seem to mention anything about sculpture as far as I am aware.

The sculpture part may have operated as a "school" and maybe could be said to have had alumni; the architecture part did not operate like a school so did not have alumni. Chesterct (talk) 22:56, 17 May 2008 (UTC)==Image copyright problem with Image:BAID awards.jpg==

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Thanks
for the thumbs up. CambridgeBayWeather Have a gorilla 20:34, 25 May 2008 (UTC)
 * It's done like that to make it seem more interesting. CambridgeBayWeather Have a gorilla 20:45, 25 May 2008 (UTC)
 * It might work if they were notable enough for an article. The redlinks might encourage someone to create the articles. CambridgeBayWeather Have a gorilla 21:41, 25 May 2008 (UTC)

Hey!
Let's email. I'll cheer you up. Check this guy out: Richard Kuöhl (and click on the German-language link at the bottom -- I know you sometimes prefer pictures anyway (grin)). --Lockley (talk) 18:23, 26 May 2008 (UTC)

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the Brits
Hey Mr. Carptrash, thought I would draw your attention to Farmer & Brindley. They're interesting in their own right but there's a mention in the Philip Ward-Jackson source that they once employed the Piccirilli Brothers, which is interesting. One of the few examples of transatlantic cross-fertilization. Hope you're doing good. --Lockley (talk) 15:34, 4 June 2008 (UTC)

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Julius T. Melchers
Greetings. It appears someone has missed an important Detroit sculptor from the Gilded age of years past. Do you have any more information for the article on Detroit sculptor Julius T. Melchers? The book AIA Detroit calls him "a sculptor of great renown." He was the father of the famous painter Gari Melchers, also of Detroit. The historic Julius T. Melcher House (1897) by Donaldson and Meier is at 723 Seyborn, Detroit, in the Indian Village neighborhood where he resided (Julius T. Melchers also carved the gable on his house). Thomas Paine1776 (talk) 17:02, 14 June 2008 (UTC)


 * Any other known sculptures by Melchers? There are so many unrecorded Detroit treasures. Updated the nav box, thanks, let me know if there are any more Detroit sculptors or architects to add. Agree about Harvard Square Center, it at least has romanesque accents. There doesn't seem to be and architect listed, still looking. Perhaps one of the firms themselves has a record of it. Incredible as it seems, there are a number of important buildings with unknown architects in Detroit since they are so old. The Elisha Taylor House, a landmark, has an unknown architect, the R. Hirt Jr., Co building has an unknown architect. Thomas Paine1776 (talk) 21:53, 16 June 2008 (UTC)

Westin Book Cadillac
Greetings once again, I have a treat for you, thought you might enjoy this article identifying the sculptures on the Book Cadillac, Anthony Wayne, Antoine Cadillac, Chief Pontiac, and Robert Navarre, it also mentions the statue of Alexander Macomb near the hotel by Adolph Alexander Weinman. . Do you suppose he means that Adolph Alexander Weinman also carved the Book Cadillac Hotel figures for Louis Kamper? Thomas Paine1776 (talk) 21:28, 17 June 2008 (UTC)

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 * I replied on my talk page. Haukur (talk) 14:22, 18 June 2008 (UTC)

yeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeah
i saw wat wat in ur butt —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.142.7.6 (talk) 20:02, 20 June 2008 (UTC)
 * If you need help with spelling, sentence construction and basic communication skills I'd be happy to help you. Carptrash (talk) 22:24, 20 June 2008 (UTC)

yea boiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii
 * Well the main thing right now is that you seem to be having fun. When you wish to get to work, let me know.  eeek Carptrash (talk) 13:33, 21 June 2008 (UTC)

Russell A. Alger
This article could use some help, if you can find the time. The sculptural stuff is right up your alley. Best to you. 7&amp;6=thirteen (talk) 00:59, 29 June 2008 (UTC) Stan

Carlo Romanelli
Noticed, we have little information on another Italian sculptor, Carlo Romanelli who moved to Detroit in the early 1900s. He carved the bronze tablet of Cadillac's arrival. Your expertise is needed here.Thomas Paine1776 (talk) 17:30, 29 June 2008 (UTC)

Do we know whether his father sculptor Raffaello Romanelli and sculptor Augusta Rivalto relocated to Detroit? It seems possible.Thomas Paine1776 (talk) 21:02, 29 June 2008 (UTC)

Picuris Pueblo, New Mexico
I am interested in human settlement and the philosophy of geography. Why do you have to pay to take a picture of that place? Is it because it is a pueblo? If you take the pictures yourself, the copyright should be yours only...so it should be all right as long as you fill everything in after uploading them on wikimedia.Zigzig20s (talk) 23:55, 3 July 2008 (UTC)
 * I see. I don't think I could contribute financially, but perhaps someone else will eventually take those pictures. For instance, it would be interesting for me to see pictures of the Isleta Pueblo because it is mentioned in a book I am reading atm. If by happenstance you can take pictures of other places in NM, please do . I have added reqphoto's to most places without pictures there.Zigzig20s (talk) 14:09, 5 July 2008 (UTC)

My Apologies
Sorry, I had been wrongly informed on the final citizenship of the man himself and thought that he had been wrongly assigned as American because he had made his name in America, but really a Scot, however, I have since found this to be incorrect and that I was wrongly informed. I will be wary of making such edits in future without proper knowledge of the matter, it was somewhat whimsical and unnecessary on my part. I apologize for this ill-judged act and will be careful to be more thoughtful in future, so sorry and thank you for correcting this. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Dolmkazaahr (talk • contribs) 02:12, 4 July 2008 (UTC)

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Question
Your question: In this article it mentions that, " He also designed the Mason Monument in Detroit, Michigan,". What is this referring to? Could it be the base of the Stevens Mason statue by Albert Weinert ?

It sounds like it is the Mason statue which is by Albert Weinert, but he maybe it means a Masonic Monument, and not sure which one? It looks like he got the info from this source. Thomas Paine1776 (talk)

Trial movies
Maybe the AFI list needs some detail on those other movies, if we don't discuss them elsewhere? 7&amp;6=thirteen (talk) 22:04, 10 July 2008 (UTC) Stan

License for Image:GuardianBuildingCP.jpg
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 * Sorry about being slow getting back to you on this. To answer your question, yes, all you have to do is replace the existing license tag with whichever new one you chose. I would advise making the situation extra clear by stating in the edit summary that, as the copyright holder, you are altering the license. (After the pic is copied over to Commons and the Wikipedia instance of it is deleted, all this history will disappear from public view. But the archive will still be available to administrators should a question ever arise.) Thanks for your help here!
 * Oh, and I'm sorry to hear about your unpleasant time with folks patrolling copyright issues. I've played their role now and then, and I believe most of them are actually highly reluctant to pursue a deletion solution - they just feel it's an unfortunate but necessary step. The downside, of course, is the risk that productive contributors like you could end up feeling antagonized. I sure hope you won't be discouraged from continuing to work on expanding and improving Wikipedia. If you ever feel like you're being treated unfairly, let me know and I'll help out if there's space to do so. Ipoellet (talk) 05:21, 21 July 2008 (UTC)


 * Hey, thanks for considering my request. I'm going to go ahead and copy the image over to the Commons now. If you do decide in the future to change the copyright tag, please be sure to do so over at the Commons. Cheers! Ipoellet (talk) 22:02, 31 May 2009 (UTC)


 * Turns out someone had already copied it over. Its name at the Commons is Commons:File:GuardianBuildingCP.jpg. Ipoellet (talk) 22:18, 31 May 2009 (UTC)

Grosse Point Light
Carp: I know you might be able to help on the architecture of this, even thouggh it is 'outside our jurisdicton.'  Hope all is going well for your. Thanks 7&amp;6=thirteen (talk) 15:22, 17 July 2008 (UTC) Stan

Alexander Macomb (American general)
Einar: Please take a look at this. I'm sure you can spiff it up. Best to you. 7&amp;6=thirteen (talk) 11:09, 26 July 2008 (UTC) Stan

Re: I am looking for an opinion
I think adding a link is probably reasonable; but, if it's possible, it would be nicer to have the images uploaded to Commons, since they could then be used in multiple articles. Cheers! Kirill (prof) 15:50, 27 July 2008 (UTC)

New Book on the Guardian Building
Good news. There is a new book soon to be released on the Guardian Building, the review says it will feature "Wirt Rowland" and sculptor "Joe Parducci," among others. See: Guardian Building: Cathedral of Finance. The author, James W. Tottis is Associate Curator of American Art at the Detroit Insitute of Arts.Thomas Paine1776 (talk) 18:38, 28 July 2008 (UTC)


 * Sounds like he was listening by the preview of the book. At any rate, its going to be a nice coffee table book.Thomas Paine1776 (talk) 14:45, 29 July 2008 (UTC)

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 * Thank you very much for doing this! I've now copied this image over to Commons and the Wikipedia instance of it will be deleted. While we're at it, the following photos of yours of the same building also have the disclaimers:
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 * Image:MasonicTempleDetroit3.jpg
 * Image:MasonicTempleDetroit4.jpg
 * Image:MasonicTempleDetroit5.jpg
 * I appreciate your help, and hope I'm not imposing too much. :-) --Ipoellet (talk) 15:13, 31 July 2008 (UTC)
 * You're a champ. Thanks! Ipoellet (talk) 02:52, 1 August 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for the welcome
I will let Esther know; I'm sure she (and Jerry; >) will appreciate it--Ahnalira (talk) 13:26, 2 August 2008 (UTC)

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Thank you again!
Thanks for the tip! I hope I did it "right". I am still learning the Wikipedia system--Ahnalira (talk) 19:30, 2 August 2008 (UTC)

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I just noticed your note to me of 6 July 2008: "thanks for dropping that middle name BS for Charles Grafly Who died in 1929 and you knew him. life never ceases to amaze me. Einar aka Carptrash (talk) 00:51, 6 July 2008 (UTC)" Please don't cuss; please don't jump to conclusions without due diligence. Please look at the previous edit to which that statement refers. Thank you. Ayapota (talk) 00:40, 4 August 2008 (UTC)

Re:thanks for the note
Hi Carptrash,

thanks for updating the image description page. There are so many old uploads that get deleted here and on Commons because they don't include enough information about their author and source, so I'm quite happy when users like you are still active and able to save their images from deletion. --Kam Solusar (talk) 01:38, 9 August 2008 (UTC)

Esther Hicks article
I appreciate your involvement with the Esther Hicks article. I'd like to contact you privately about it if possible. How is that done without revealing email addresses? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Gordondavid (talk • contribs) 16:11, 12 August 2008 (UTC)

McNeil
Fixed it thanks Georgiamed (talk) 03:01, 15 August 2008 (UTC)

Thought it was the same, fixed that too Georgiamed (talk) 03:16, 15 August 2008 (UTC)

Newspaper story on Wikipedia
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Need an article on Charles-Balthazar-Julien Fevret de Saint-Mémin
Carp: I've got red links in Alexander Macomb (American general) and Marbury v. Madison concerning Charles-Balthazar-Julien Fevret de Saint-Mémin. No wonder they call him simply Saint-Mémin! I can think of no one better suited to start a meaningful article. And of course, this particular line of article is way outside my expertise or pay grade. Here's some basic info: http://www.artoftheprint.com/artistpages/saint_memin_charles_john_drayton.htm  Apparently you can't access that through Wikipedia, but you can paste it into your browser and go there directly. Haven't seen or heard from you in a while. Hope all is going well. Best regards. 7&amp;6=thirteen (talk) 19:10, 5 September 2008 (UTC) Stan

Henry Moore
Hello Carptrash; Johnbod suggested you might be able to help with Moores article; its at FAR, and close enough to being saved, but is lacking breath yet. Johnbod said "we need someone with a book", and indicated you might be the very fellow. Any help would be appreciated, and thanks. Ceoil <font color="E45E05">sláinte 11:52, 12 September 2008 (UTC)
 * EInar aka. No worries, I was send a very strong JSTOR article today, and I have a few general brit sculpture history books that go into Moore in detail, so no panic. My best to you. Ceoil  <font color="E45E05">sláinte 20:16, 14 September 2008 (UTC)

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Greetings Carptrash - I am so sorry that I haven't logged on and checked messages since March! It never occurred to me that anyone other than I would be interested in Alois Lang. I should explain: Alois Lang is my great-grandfather and I, along with my parents, siblings, and a few cousins, have several of his wood-carvings. I started the Wikipedia entry as an attempt to spur my father (Richard Phillips, Alois' grandson) into expanding it considerably, as he has lots of information and photographs that he could add.

In any event, thanks so much for your interest in Alois Lang. May I inquire as to the nature of your interest? Purely academic or perhaps are you too a relative of Alois'?

I look forward to your response. Please feel free to contact me outside of Wikipedia (e.g., at my gmail address below).

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Charles Keck
Hi Einar, good to hear from you! Hope you're having a good turkey day, not too cold, not too busy at the library. Delighted to find a photo of Alois Lang here, and life continues to be interesting on this side, too. --Lockley (talk) 03:40, 28 November 2008 (UTC)
 * hey there, to answer your question from the other day, about the Pittsburgh reference -- it's great to see it there. I don't know how long it'll last, with all these busybodies and spoilsports around, but it's definitely worth a try.  Check out the architectural sculptor categories some time -- they've grown! --Lockley (talk) 13:07, 1 December 2008 (UTC)

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Lists of people
Carptrash, this list is unreferenced. That is why I removed it. It needs references that state that these people went to the school.

As per V "The burden of evidence lies with the editor who adds or restores material." - So how about this? Why don't you and I work together to reference the list? Does that sound fair? WhisperToMe (talk) 00:11, 27 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Sure, we can work on a reference list. I have done 25 years worth of architectural and sculptural research and have lists and files and all sorts of stuff tucked into all sorts of places.  I have been interested in BAID for much of that time.  WHich is to say, there is no one or two lists as such to footnote.  Rather each of those names was discovered in a different place and tacked on to my master list. Not exactly the dreaded original research, but close.  I understand the wikipedia rules about this sort of thing and tend to ignore them.  Which is why I now rarely spend my time here, because if   .  .  .  . . . . ........ if my work does not meet someone else's criteria then it all goes for naught.  But let us see what we can do.  Carptrash (talk) 21:12, 30 January 2009 (UTC)

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Hi Carptrash! I did the editing from books that I have in my library. I don't know how she looked like. Best, (Salmon1 (talk) 15:07, 15 April 2009 (UTC))

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Hello. I've hopefully fixed the non-free use issues at this article. Please look at this guideline for future reference. Also, I was able to get the publisher's name by Googling the book title and author.

The reason I reverted User:Damiens.rf's edit is because, generally, a disputed image is kept for seven days to allow problems to be fixed before it's deleted by an administrator, and because there was no edit summary or entry on the image's or the article'sTalk page. Damiens.rf has a long history of ignoring process with regard to non-free images, and of generally uncivil behavior, for which he has been blocked several times. He is being watched. <font color="#006600">R <font color="#0D8147">ad <font color="#009966">io <font color="#009999">pa <font color="#1E99CC">th <font color="#67B2DE ">y  •talk• 00:35, 24 April 2009 (UTC)
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Happy Cinco de Mayo
Long time no hear. Hope all goes well. " la lucha continua no terminará fácilmente" -- Che 7&amp;6=thirteen (talk) 00:01, 6 May 2009 (UTC) Stan

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You left a message on my talk page about Embudo Station as if you were continuing a discussion. Did you mean to do this, or did you mean to talk with someone else? If you meant to talk to me, please explain what you mean and please pardon my forgetfulness: I can't remember discussing this kind of issue with anyone or even editing in something related to it. Nyttend (talk) 21:28, 2 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Now that I see it, I remember perfectly; thanks :-) The reason that I reverted is that this is a historic district, not a station.  Perhaps it includes structures other than this station of which you speak?  Are you certain that the station is in the district?  Nyttend (talk) 22:07, 2 June 2009 (UTC)
 * For reasons other than what you gave, I'm changing it back to what you had — sorry about the confusion. I don't think that it's not original research to look at the map, using the coords that the NRHP provides, and to say that SR68 is nearby and that US64 is nowhere near.  Please see this edit.  Nyttend (talk) 23:10, 2 June 2009 (UTC)
 * And by the way: since you can get in your car, turn right out of your driveway, etc., would you please do so and get a picture? And would you be willing to get photos of other sites on the list?  The more pictures on the list, the better.  Nyttend (talk) 23:13, 2 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Thanks :-) Not clear what you mean about "posting pictures and having them undone".  Do you mean the various nonfree image warnings higher on your talk page?  Nyttend (talk) 12:14, 3 June 2009 (UTC)

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Please pardon my confusion, but what did you mean by your message at Talk:National Register of Historic Places listings in Rio Arriba County, New Mexico? Nyttend (talk) 16:20, 9 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Thanks! The sign is quite unusual — I don't remember ever seeing a sign for "this way to the NRHP historic district" before, either in person or in a photo.  Nyttend (talk) 01:46, 10 June 2009 (UTC)

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Re: Thanks for reverting
My pleasure :-). There definitely was a lot of thought put into that specific act of vandalism, which is quite disturbing.   ERK  talk 16:57, 17 June 2009 (UTC)

Established Editors
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Book: Great Architecture of Michigan
Have you seen this book: Great Architecture of Michigan. May want to take a look. The site lets you link to some of the photos when you click on "Book Chapters." Thomas Paine1776 (talk) 19:12, 5 July 2009 (UTC)


 * Amazing photos by Korab on the book's website. Maybe Wayne State would publish your work on Parducci in a book so we could buy it, then we'd be asking you to graciously sign a copy. Michigan History Magazine also asks for manuscripts and photos on its web page. Thomas Paine1776 (talk) 18:44, 6 July 2009 (UTC)

Michigan History Magazine
Michigan History Magazine home page click on guidlines for publication: http://www.michiganhistorymagazine.com/pub_guidelines.html .Thomas Paine1776 (talk) 19:04, 6 July 2009 (UTC)

Something like an article on Parducci's work in Michigan or Michigan sculptors in general would go over really well in the Michigan History Magazine. Parducci has a special connection to Wirt Rowland to and Michigan History Magazine really should do a story on both. Thomas Paine1776 (talk) 21:18, 6 July 2009 (UTC)

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Photosig
Einar, I don't know if you care (you probably don't), but I have left some crits on some old photos you have posted on Photosig. I'm not "calling you back" to rejoin, but just wanted you to know. I also admire a lot of the photos and contributions you've done here. Parkerdr (talk) 17:22, 8 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Glanced at Flickr, and you have certainly been busy... Parkerdr (talk) 02:53, 9 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Flickr - I could never make sense of it, nobody I knew posted there, so I pulled my things off. Your thumbs-down photos... I see how much a maverick you are, and photosig is (mostly) about photo-orthodoxy. I am probably helping to further that by writing bunches of orthodoxy-based crits on these old submissions.  Anyway, some of the photos looked like they suffered from aging and/or the scanning. Those might have looked great as originals, but now not so.  Might have been some "piling on" with the Td ratings too.  But it looks like you have moved on with things, and that's good.  As they say, Keep on shooting. Parkerdr (talk) 15:20, 10 July 2009 (UTC)

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Detroit photographer
Have you seen the work from the Detroit photographer Laszlo Regos at Laszlofoto. WOW. Explore the link. He published the Detroit City Beautiful Calendar 2009 through Momentum books which highlights architecture. This is the second in a series. Explore his 'portfolio' and 'publications' pages. Thomas Paine1776 (talk) 15:23, 19 July 2009 (UTC)

Shadowing Parducci
I see someone on the internet says they are planning a book on Corrado Parducci using the title, "Shadowing Parducci," which is your title http://archsculpt.blogspot.com/2008/01/corrado-parducci-detroits-master.html. May want to take a look, whoever it is, the someone is apparently very knowledgeable as well.Thomas Paine1776 (talk) 19:29, 24 July 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for helping a newbie.
Thanks for your message(talk?). It was enlightening and helpful so be assured that it really was appreciated (especially since I'm pretty new to the editing experience). I'm really unclear as to which of my edits you changed. I won't presume to be absolutely certain of your aversion to my mention of auctions, but I have some ideas and in order for me to get a better handle on the situation, I'd need an example or two of what you changed or didn't like. And then I'd definitely like to talk to you about why you decided the changes were necessary because I think we'd both like to continue contributing to Wikipedia and I also believe we have similar souls and intentions which leads me to believe that we'd best serve one another and the Wiki community if we work together to make edits and entries palatable to as many readers as possible. Again, many thanks.RArt94 (talk) 05:02, 27 July 2009 (UTC)RArt94

Leo Mol
Hi,

I have added references to most of the facts in the article. --YUL89YYZ (talk) 08:55, 2 August 2009 (UTC)

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Please contact me via e-mail
Carp: I have something to discuss with you. Please contact me via wiki e-mail. Thank you. 7&amp;6=thirteen (talk) 19:49, 9 August 2009 (UTC) Stan

Puye photo
Very true; thanks for the reminder. Likely Puye Ruins was created during a drive last year to create articles on every National Historic Landmark, and the creator didn't realise that there was already an article on it at a separate title. See the edit histories for Old Economy and Old Economy Village for another example, if you're interested. Nyttend (talk) 20:41, 15 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Ahh, forgot to say: I'll merge them. Nyttend (talk) 20:41, 15 August 2009 (UTC)

Calm down
That had nothing to do with the source. The statement had absolutely no value in the position there and had no effect. So a Supreme Court judge ruled one way on 1 case. That hardly proves a conservative tradition. Nor is it really that notable (or at least for that reason) and it also makes no mention of the judges political leanings (left right conservative liberal etc.). For those reasons I took it out as it's presence was quite bewildering. Soxwon (talk) 23:16, 18 August 2009 (UTC)

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Lawrence's ashes
I was in Taos this past weekend (live in Santa Fe now), so went up to the Ranch for the first tiime in 30 years. Also, I bought Bachrach's book, and have only just got to the section on the ashes. There are all sorts of stories on pages 99 and following..... Haven't read it in detail yet.

The visit spurred the need to improve the article + load some other photos, whicj I'll work on. Viva-Verdi (talk) 15:18, 15 September 2009 (UTC)
 * I look forward to seeing what you do. I live in Dixon actually, Embudo so you'll drive right past my home as you go there.  More pictures is good, Though be careful about "improving" on the alter picture. unless you get a really good one.  I shot all the carved whatever out front, but never got it together to post it.  Carptrash (talk) 21:18, 15 September 2009 (UTC)

Whooops. Too late about the picture. Carptrash (talk) 21:45, 15 September 2009 (UTC)

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Howard Zinn
Thanks for your kind words. Much appreciated. --Ludvikus (talk) 19:03, 23 September 2009 (UTC)
 * There's an editor, at the above's Talk page, who seems to have a different point of view than you. It would be helpful, I think, if you expressed yourself there as well, so we could have a productive conversation which would lead to a consensus on the issue at hand. --Ludvikus (talk) 19:15, 23 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Well, I was right in my anticipation - my inclusion of Zinn's status as a revisionist has just been deleted! The reason given is that it does not belong in the "lede"[sic]. I wish you would "jump in" and make your observations and views better known. --Ludvikus (talk) 19:27, 23 September 2009 (UTC)


 * I noticed that you seem to have forgotten to sign your "vote" to keep. --Ludvikus (talk) 20:43, 23 September 2009 (UTC)


 * In case you're interested, here's a good reference for that usage of "revisionist" with respect to American, scholarly, reputable, historians - and you can even read excepts from it at questia on the Web:


 * The Cold War as Rhetoric: The Beginnings, 1945-1950'', by Lynn Boyd Hinds, Theodore Otto Windt Jr.; (Praeger Publishers, 1991. 272 pgs.) --Ludvikus (talk) 22:37, 23 September 2009 (UTC)
 * And here's the relevant passage (page xix) from the above text:

"Conversely, we do not subscribe to the economic interpretation    of the revisionist school of cold war historians. 3     Such interpretations seem too narrow     and place an inordinate burden on the United States     for originating the cold war     in the dubious pursuit of economic imperialism.     This interpretation diminishes the significant influence     of public ideas expressed rhetorically     in forming the consciousness and perceptions     that guide policy.     Our analysis is about the development of those public ideas and their influence." If anything, our interpretation is closer to the postrevisionist analysis of the cold war. 4


 * As you can see, the term is clearly used here ("revisionist school" and "postrevisionist analysis") - even to list a "school." Hope this interests you. --Ludvikus (talk) 22:53, 23 September 2009 (UTC)

Revisionist historians (American)
You might find this reference interesting and useful (and you can read excerpts of it on the Web):


 * Adrianus Arnoldus, Maria van der Linden
 * A revolt against liberalism: American radical historians, 1959-1976


 * --Ludvikus (talk) 23:37, 23 September 2009 (UTC)


 * Things are not as bad as they seem - if we read (and use) this informative reference: . --

Historical revisionism
You should really look at this article. I think it's primarily WP:Original research.
 * 1) We can name most of the revisionists, or historical revisionists.
 * 2) We can even - therefore - identify the texts that's been so labeled.
 * 3) And there are some texts by such "revisionists" in which the "subject" is discussed.
 * 4) We even know that there's a link between it and holocaust denial.
 * But the above article consists of WP editors generalizing about what it is by "original research." --Ludvikus (talk) 13:46, 25 September 2009 (UTC)

File:MarshallWash DC 3.jpg
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Stray commas
Sure - my pleasure. Anytime. :-) -- Ser Amantio di Nicolao Che dicono a Signa?Lo dicono a Signa. 22:28, 1 October 2009 (UTC)

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Currier & Ives edits
Greetings. Sorry I can't continue the dialogue right now, I am late for work. Good luck integrating the most relevent content. Yours, Wikiuser100 (talk) 14:17, 5 October 2009 (UTC)

archeo stuff
I just commented at Talk:Battle of Cieneguilla. Great stuff, but an issue. I would prefer to discuss the issue off-line maybe, if you would email me, there is an email-to-me link at my User page. doncram (talk) 23:28, 8 October 2009 (UTC)

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