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 * Carrt81, thanks for the response, but what good does a link do if the file has been deleted?```` —Preceding unsigned comment added by Detroitnews9 (talk • contribs) 03:38, 7 August 2008 (UTC)


 * Your last message is concerning. You're being assumptive about the edits. Unverifiability is still a bulwark of Wiki rules. If your scans were not accepted, either due to the rules or other issues on your side, that is for you to address to the proper administrator, not me. I have repaired your broken links, that is helping, you reverting a proper withdrawal is not helping. Please abide by the rules and that will be helpful enough. Thank you.Detroitnews9 (talk) 14:33, 7 August 2008 (UTC)


 * I'm detecting a sense of passive-aggressiveness on your part. Please understand, your time and contributions are worthy of praise, yet, apparently ineffective. When I came upon the page, it was in disarray and the red references showed work that was incomplete. I took the time to correct the information and links for you. I turned the repairable links blue and did not remove the entire content of the .pdf files to give you adaquate time to resubmit them and put them in the proper format. I would do this for anyone, not just you. I have done it mostly for the subject who I'm sure would appreciate it. If you can't accept constructive criticism, back away and let others who can do the job, do it. Don't cry to me for lost time and effort. I have had to spend a good deal of time researching your contributions to find out where the problems were. They were on your end, not mine. It's a pleasure to help, but not being criticized for helping.Detroitnews9 (talk) 16:30, 7 August 2008 (UTC)

No, I don't know the subject personally. I saw an aricle about Charles Whitman and decided to explore. Found this page and all the red links that went no where. Decided to clean it up. Nothing personal. My remarks were limited to space constraints and used the most effective language available to get the point across. Just because you have been editing the page for months doesn't entitle you to assumptions that you are personally being attacked. You do not own the page, nor do I. Your contributions led to the red links, who else should have been notified? The remarks were intended to let you know that the material was distracting to the article, nothing personal. I'm not here to get into personalities or issues concerning such. I notice you like to tell someone to "not" tell you what to do, while telling them "what" to do. Do you see the irony there? That's not analytical, it's just an observation!Detroitnews9 (talk) 17:12, 7 August 2008 (UTC)


 * Just to expand on the question above. People can think they know someone for a long time, only to find that events happen, where they realize that they never knew the real person at all. It's a two way street. Both can have dead ends!Detroitnews9 (talk) 13:53, 11 August 2008 (UTC)


 * Mass Murder events are a reflection of society, from that perspective, I have an interest. You appear to have several .pdfs of information. Why were they not allowed? Perhaps I can help.Detroitnews9 (talk) 18:13, 7 August 2008 (UTC)

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 * This .pdf is already linked to the article. This item has no copy-right issues. Only copy-righted material can not be used except in certain cases. If you know the subject of the article, you can also get permission from him since it is his likeness.Detroitnews9 (talk) 01:07, 8 August 2008 (UTC)

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Carrt81, go here [], scroll down to Fair Use, and upload from there. In description and rationale, put "Fair Use, use of infromation not found anywhere else on internet and is a non-profit. If any copy-right exists, use will not cause loss of profit to copy-right holder". It's all about the money, you see!Detroitnews9 (talk) 15:53, 9 August 2008 (UTC)


 * 1) REDIRECT [] Detroitnews9 (talk) 23:41, 11 August 2008 (UTC)

You've been inactive, something wrong...MM?Detroitnews9 (talk) 16:02, 12 August 2008 (UTC)


 * Vacation!!! Hope you had a great time! Fun, Fun, Fun, I hope. uhhh...MM...must have been a typo. Welcome back.Detroitnews9 (talk) 02:55, 14 August 2008 (UTC)

Hope you approve of the McCoy page. I've encountered copyvio issues from Wiki Admins who favor safety over facts.Detroitnews9 (talk) 18:24, 14 August 2008 (UTC)

I'm going to be dropping a (metaphorical) bomb tonight in the articles. Are you Houston, Monika or another family member? The reason I ask is, the responses here are not unlike Houston and Monika. Some of your uploads and information is known to very few people, myself being one of them. If not, and you are Mr. Hamilton, the boy scout who observed Whitman's anger in the car from a boyscout meeting, if I recall the conversation through e-mail, let me know, it may be a spoiler for your book. I can reconsider.Detroitnews9 (talk) 06:38, 15 August 2008 (UTC)

Carrt81, we all have dualistic personalities, personal and public. I leave my personal issues off the board in most cases. This one is hard to separate because of the history. Your contribution history shows that you have exclusively contributed on the McCoy page. That you have uploaded pdf's that are not on the internet and only available to those who have or knows someone who has them. The 81 in your Wiki name, if used as most people do, suggests you are 27 years of age (or there about), just like the Finland Murderer, Pekka-Eric Auninen used his birth year in his YouTube names, Sturmgeist89 and NaturalSelector89. This does not mean that I am correct, and another reason would only be known by you. User names are phantoms and phantoms are impossible to deal with on a personal level. I know you are in Texas, leave your email if you want a private discussion.Detroitnews9 (talk) 16:28, 15 August 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for the reply Cart. I was obviously mistaken. Good luck in the future.Detroitnews9 (talk) 19:11, 15 August 2008 (UTC)

Also, after a few days of putting together evidence of the "bomb" I was going to drop. My source tells me it will be deleted as original research under the NOR rule of Wikipedia. If this is the case, and another photo was deleted last night, Wikipedia is not worth the time or effort due to its paranoid views.Detroitnews9 (talk) 15:30, 16 August 2008 (UTC)

Your Comments on BassPlr
I do agree with you about Victor9876. I do not agree with how that user is handling things. It seems like he is taking things personally and is resorting to name-calling. He doesn’t speak for all those who feel and know that Houston McCoy fired those fatal shots that day. I’m going by the evidence. This is not about personal relationships or bias. It’s about the evidence. I personally think Martinez is a hero and would never do anything to denounce that man’s actions that day. That goes for all of the August 1 heroes. That being said, I can say with the upmost conviction that Houston McCoy fired those fatal shots.

This was very good. Very good! Sounds just like Monika, passive to one and aggressive to another. This is good!Victor9876 (talk) 00:17, 22 October 2008 (UTC)

BTW, I wrote the last entry after reading this. Hope you understand now. Would you like for me to post the email exchanges? I'll see if I can work a few in. If I do it that way, "all" of the August 1 heroes can see another side of the story.Victor9876 (talk) 00:26, 22 October 2008 (UTC)

Just a curiosity. You mention the heroes to BassPlr23, "Martinez is a hero along with many of the APD Officers, (Day, McCoy, Crum, Moe, Speed, Conner etc) who should be honored for their heroic acts and sacrifice that day."

Though Speed wasn't in the tower, you do use etc. to continue the list. Shepard is not included and deceased, therefore could not write this. The only other APD officer not mentioned is Shoquist. Generally writers do not include themselves in lists, sometimes for vanity reasons, or for other reasons. Are you Milton? Again, just curious.Victor9876 (talk) 17:35, 22 October 2008 (UTC)

I am at a disadvantage. You have the comfort of a phantom moniker to hide behind. So you get to surface dwell without any bias' against you. Whoever you are. I was merely looking to find out if there was an alliance to be had. Apparently not. You tried to post information that I know is not in the public view and have sources that only I and McCoy know. I repaired your failed attempts on some issues and offered help on others. So I won't fish anymore for who you are. I was merely curious that's all. At least I do research and have experience with the subject.

Where did I ever say Speed was not a hero? I know his widow and have seen the lingering harm done to her. She is very sweet and didn't deserve her fate that day. Nobody did. Even Whitman. Your statement that Speed "gave his life" speaks a bit of Texan rah-rah. He was doing his job and got killed. Tragic, I fail to see where heroics were involved, even though I feel as everyone else does, that the title is appropriate for solace. Heroism is a description that is over used to the point of boredom. A far better epitath could be prescribed. If it is comfortable to you, use it. So, in the future, there is no need to communicate with me, as I find phantoms, who hide behind a name cowards, and useless in forwarding any social benefit to anyone. It was nice talking with you. Good luck!Victor9876 (talk) 16:25, 23 October 2008 (UTC)

Wow, two degree's. Let's see, Psychology B.A., Sociology B.A., Criminology B.A., probably two of the three. You never get involved with your subjects, and yet, you're a researcher and well connected. Hmmmm!

First, I DO NOT HATE THE MCCOYS!!! Get that assumption off the table. I have had issues with McCoy and his daughter, that's all. Am I angry, yes. You can be angry with someone and not hate them, or at least I can. And as to the giving myself away, I know that. I'm not hiding, just keeping a low profile because of previous issues. The Whitman page is where it is now (albeit still full of errors) because of me, in spite of the previous issues. New information has finally been presented that can be used in Wikipedia. The verifibility not truth rule, was always my downfall. If I hated McCoy and his family, would I continue to fight to get the truth out? That would be an oxymoronic psychosis, don't you think?

I'm familiar with most of your suggested list to get involved in. Unruh of Jersey, some have labeled the grandfather of recent mass muuderers. I suggest you look at Andrew Kehoe, Bath, Michigan. He left a sign saying that "Criminals are made, not born!" I tend to agree with him. Other researchers and especially the media have called the UT Tower tragedy the worst mass murder in American history (Lavergne - "A Sniper In The Tower"), Kehoe was and still is, forget Columbine, VT, Finland, etc., Kehoe still is the worse in American History for schools, McVeigh is now for whatever category you want to lable him in. Believe it or not, on Youtube, some label McVeigh a "hero"!

I'll move on when the article has enough info to complete my mission. Meanwhile, good luck with your endeavors.Victor9876 (talk) 19:22, 23 October 2008 (UTC)


 * Here...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PjpL8HfWiiY

Huberty, one the recommendations you made. View the video. Again, the media reports, "the worst mass murder in America", a few times. The problem is the media and their influences on public information. I had this problem with Fox7, the Austin Statesman, and especially NBC Dateline not to mention the Daily Texan. They didn't like the results of my research implicating the University. They didn't pressure the City of Austin like they could have and the Daily Texan, on the 40th Anniversary, wrote a story about Houston, and used the last half to blast me. Conspiracy theory? Nope. Fact! If I hate anything, it is UT, the Austin media and political atmosphere. Maybe you haven't dealt with helping someone and having these factors undo 10 years of help and expenses, only to have the one you helped join the fray because you have become a liability to him/her. Try it. As a researcher you should know the facts are the facts and the attempts to justify a resistance by the accused leads to blacklisting and character assassination by the accused.

Your mentioning of my using my "power of attorney" for Foster shows you have a condenscending opinion of me as well. Foster isn't in need of any services according to information on the web. Not that I would do it anyway's, I just needed to see if you are forth right and credible, in my opinion, no! So continue with the mental masturbation you call research, and leave others to their faults! And learn how to use the wiki format before any more aborted attempts to ruin the McCoy page. Now, back to the Steers and Queers section...Victor9876 (talk) 22:01, 23 October 2008 (UTC)

Thanks! BTW, everyone claims to have two or three degrees here on Wikipedia also...check out Wildhartlivie(?), the one on the Whitman talk page that responded to our discourse. We're kinda down to the river card Carrt81, put up or short up! Are you my friend from the Caffiend?Victor9876 (talk) 22:50, 23 October 2008 (UTC)

http://www.youtube.com/user/botheredinarms

Maybe this will explain...narrowly.

Note

 * B.S. 1989, Ball State University, M.A. 1995, Miami University. Just to clarify. Wildhartlivie (talk) 20:40, 30 October 2008 (UTC)
 * I didn't think that you did, I just felt I needed to defend my statement a bit. There are obviously a lot of issues surrounding this event, and at present, it's become painfully obvious that the editor has a conflict of interest in editing that article. I don't think that such personal involvement with some of the participants constitutes an impartial and neutral viewpoint, nor do WP policies allow for him to use the articles as a platform for his opinions. I wouldn't have discovered this, though, if I hadn't noted your discussion with him. No need for clarification, I understood. Wildhartlivie (talk) 23:25, 30 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Talk about a conflict of interest! Carrt81 is either Houston McCoy, his daughter Monika or someone real close to the McCoy's. There's nothing painfully obvious about anything Wildhartlivie, except that you are not an administrator and I considered our conversations friendly and informative. I can't verify your degrees on Wikipedia, nor your other bio graphics. In fact, you could be a 25 year old Canadian male that flunked high school for all anyone knows. Where are the opinions in the article you are talking about? Everything is backed with links and as new links become available, I put the info in. I research, McCoy doesn't (assumming Carrt81 is McCoy or an associate), the fact that he referred to you as a male (Sir) is exactly how he starts all of his correspondence. As long as the information is backed with Wiki rules (which you appear to be pedantic about), there should be no concern on your part. I'm not insulting you, but a clinical psychologist, should be very aware of human nature, as being a very precarious subject. I've caused no harm to anyone, and in fact, I've written and corrected about 80% of the Whitman article as Victor and DetroitNews. I was met with a sign-in prompt and forgot the password, so I abandoned the DetroitNews moniker and wrote down everything for Victor. No big deal. Carrt81 contacted me and now wants someone to complain to because he/she can't get things done (look at the history). Now excuse me, I'm meeting someone else on the Empire State Building. Lol!Victor9876 (talk) 02:36, 31 October 2008 (UTC)


 * Crazy ramblings or not, at least it is what happened. Unlike you, I am in the public domain in regards to this case. You may be yourself, you may not, you hide behind a moniker and play games...even when someone helps you. Now...stay away from my talk page, I will do likewise for you. I always defend myself, or admit my mistakes, if you post more negative issues about me on others pages, I will respond in kind. Does this sound fair? Just a rhetorical question, no need to respond.Victor9876 (talk) 20:40, 31 October 2008 (UTC)


 * Victim?! Please, you are insulting your self perceived intelligence. Besides Wildhartlivie, who else have I mentioned you to? Again, you claim to not know McCoy and yet, everyone of your contributions have been on his page, except when you were ranting to me or others to desperately dissociate yourself from me. That was a bit pathetic on your part by the way. Apparently Wildhartlivie wants nothing to do with us. I don't blame her. You bring your dissociative issues to her for what? For what? I may be insane but you have yet to be labeled! What a scumbag!Victor9876 (talk) 01:28, 1 November 2008 (UTC)

Per the above ab/user. Let's examine Carrt81. I have dealt with the Charles Whitman page primarily. I have entries on other pages, one entry on the McCoy page got reverted. Carrt claims I am an obsessed fan; of who or what is not said. I primarily edit the Whitman page for Whitman, not McCoy. Carrt claims that Victor9876 created an account to pretend being Houston McCoy. That is untrue. While I was in Menard, Texas, I had gotten into trouble with a prior account. McCoy's daughter became aware of the issue, exploded it into a national crisis, and McCoy wanted me to try and get the issues corrected. We went to the Menard Public Library in west Texas, and McCoy had me create an account. So he could get access to it, he picked the password. I tried the best I could to get the truth into the article. Wiki rules became the problem. Reversions, blockings, etc. did occur. But McCoy was fully aware of the account and what I was doing. His daughter wasn't. Once again she jumped into something that was none of her business and exploded things. McCoy knew all of this was going on, but because his daughter wanted our working relationship to end, he went along with her. Johntex was never me. Truthx3 was, I told you I was DetroitNews9 already. I'm not going to get involved in Carrt's other prosecutorial allegations. Carrt has the burden of proof, let him/her go their way with it. Sherurcij was not an admin, nor had the power to banish. I'm the one who got Jimbo to courtesy blank the archives on the Whitman page. As to Carrt's user page - all Houston McCoy. There is no balance of soul or knowledge there. Look at the contribs - everything deals with McCoy exclusively, besides our little discussions here and there. So who is the fanatically obsessed? Perhaps we both are, but I don't need the Seraquil in heavy doses like Carrt. If the charge is that Carrt knows more about Whitman than me, then by all means, contribute away with sources. Other than the above, I hope you can convince Carrt to stop stalking me, and get with the program. I'm not afraid of Carrt. I actually kinda pity the person.Victor9876 (talk) 00:30, 1 November 2008 (UTC)

Whitman Image
You are becoming a thorn! Get over your passive-aggressive tendencies now that you get to see what things are like. MM Victor9876 (talk) 02:04, 29 November 2008 (UTC)

It's ironic that I get an email from H McCoy and you on the same day. Enjoy the laughs, they're good for you. If you consider Sherurcij's comments relevant, by all means, go live in Canada with him and get brain frost like he has. You still haven't contributed anything anywhere else; rather limited in your topics aren't you!?Victor9876 (talk) 23:46, 1 December 2008 (UTC)

Wow! Stop being so nice to me and let me know how you really feel! I never said you were HM, I merely said that it was IRONIC that I hear from him by email, and you via Wikipedia in the same day and within a few hours. Correlation is not causation! But your smart and knew that already. Your contributions stand so glaringly above everyone else's, that I am humbled to just have your criticism. Which I naturally, in my deluded mental state, consider it praise. Of course your not HM, but I do believe you are MM, in light of some of your discourse. MM is really a sicko, just like you, if you are not MM! You keep contacting me and then call me a stalker!??? Brilliant!Victor9876 (talk) 16:22, 2 December 2008 (UTC)


 * Oh, BTW, I completely revamped the Whitman introduction. Of course, while doing so, and with you in mind, I had to totally abandon my own psychotic tendencies and think of how you would have written it, based on the historical facts. So in your honor, knowing how precise and forthwith you are, I borrowed your thoughts and knowledge of the incident and put them here on Wikipedia, so that you, being the humble entity that you are, can admire your work, without fear of reprisals and some know nothing changing your artistic work. But please don't thank me! Let's keep the tradition intact.Victor9876 (talk) 16:51, 2 December 2008 (UTC)


 * You're boring me. Get over it and move on to something constructive.Victor9876 (talk) 16:07, 3 December 2008 (UTC)

Hey...I did that bus thing you suggested and that wasn't very nice of you. All that damage and now the City wants me to pay for it! Do you have any idea how much a fender, radiator and realignment of a bus' front end is? A lot! Not only that, the skidding almost wore my boots down to needing new heels. Are you going to help pay for all of this?Victor9876 (talk) 21:56, 8 December 2008 (UTC)

Checking In
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Checking In I really enjoyed your video interview, especially the part where you had to stop because of the background noise. So when will the documentary be out? 2000 and never? If you want to be taken seriously try to avoid doing interviews where the follow-up guest spots are strippers sorry Burlesque Dancers...oh and explain who Charles Whitman is and what he did FIRST before you start going on and on about a side topic. Hopefully you will get that all worked out for next time...can't wait for the next one

You're hired! I need a good PR person and agent. I pay a little less than Wikipedia, but there are perks.--Victor9876 (talk) 19:57, 19 February 2009 (UTC)

I didn't notice that you didn't sign your post - a WP policy. I want you to understand one thing right now Cartt81, whatever your issue is with me personally, I don't know nor care. I also have stated before my suspicions of who you are. That does not mean that I know who you are. The point is this. You previously declared you intentions to stalk me. I know take you at your word and as you may or may not know, stalking is a criminal offense and a direct violation of WP policy. You have now caused me concern for my safety, and a formal complaint will be made to Wikipedia, after reporting this exchange and the stalking reference to the FBI. You have done this to yourself, I broke from our exchanges long ago.Victor9876 (talk) 06:40, 20 February 2009 (UTC)


 * [] I really don't want any law enforcement agency involved Carrt81. Hopefully this process will end the behavior.Victor9876 (talk) 09:18, 20 February 2009 (UTC)

You're hired! I need a good PR person and agent. I pay a little less than Wikipedia, but there are perks.--Victor9876 (talk) 19:57, 19 February 2009 (UTC)

Civility
Note that civility here is not optional. This edit is not called for, and recurrences could lead to you being blocked. Kevin (talk) 10:50, 20 February 2009 (UTC)

Welcome Back
Wow, were you on vacation? I see you've also developed other interests and learned some HTML, great! You'll be a much more productive contributor now. McCoy has gained a lot of weight, I know why, that is a positive as well.--Victor9876 (talk) 05:36, 8 July 2009 (UTC)

Advise
It might be helpful to blank your talk page and begin aknew.--Victor9876 (talk) 16:14, 9 July 2009 (UTC)

Last Request to blank
Carrt. I have asked you politely to blank your talk page. You have a right to blank your own page or not. I am amending my request to ask you to blank only my exchanges with you on your talk page. If not, I will ask an admin to do it. Thanks in advance for your co-operation.--Victor9876 (talk) 17:17, 11 July 2009 (UTC)

About Blanking
Per policy, you're allowed to keep your talk page how you want it, and edits like this are not allowed. I'm restoring this material as you showed interest in keeping it, and it only looks like you removed it as you were forced to out of fear.—  Dæ dαlus Contribs  05:16, 12 July 2009 (UTC)

Your comment on user:roux's talk page
Just because I tried to help Houston McCoy get his own BLP deleted in 2006, hardly means I'm a sock or have socked. As well make the same assumption about user:Johntex, who was on other side of this debate in 2006. If you've got suspicions in that direction, feel free to let your nearest checkuser know, or bring them up on the appropriate venue. Or use my TALK page. Please don't talk behind my back on somebody else's TALK page, as these things are likely to get around. And by the way, if you are the "real McCoy" you ought to be thanking me for my support 3 years ago. The one and only: S  B Harris 18:33, 13 July 2009 (UTC)

McCoy page
Remind me if I am wrong or not, but I believe part of the resolution you brought against me after you were exposed for false accusations, was for you and I to stay away from each other. I have honored that. That is a harmless factual entry on the McCoy page. So please, refrain from getting into an edit war, and save yourself from further issues. Cheers! Victor9876 (talk) 16:36, 10 June 2010 (UTC)

Here, this has been linked to the name you keep reverting. One more revert from you, and I will file against you. What have you ever done for McCoy, or anyone for that matter? Victor9876 (talk) 03:51, 11 June 2010 (UTC)

Rachel Starr
Two PROD tags on the page by me and someone else...not sure why Twinkle didn't tell you that, but yeah...letting you know. Regards, C628 (talk) 01:56, 18 June 2010 (UTC)

Articles for deletion nomination of Rachel Starr
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You???
http://officer.com/squad-room/profile.php?user=TimCarr - the birth year, circumstantial? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.94.141.115 (talk) 23:30, 10 September 2010 (UTC)

Who are you, and why are you concerned with who I am? Are you someone I know?

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