User talk:Casliber/Archive 11

My recent RfA
Thank you for participating in my recent RfA. Although the voting ended at 36/22/5, there was no consensus to promote, and the RfA was unsuccessful. I would like the thank you nonetheless for supporting me during the RfA, and hope that any future RfA’s proceed better than this one did. Again, I thank you for your support. ≈ The Haunted Angel  Review Me! 02:25, 3 November 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for your support
Thanks for your support with respect to my request for adminship, which successfully closed today with a count of 47 support, 1 oppose. If you ever see me doing anything that makes you less than pleased that you supported my request, I hope to hear about it from you. See you around Wikipedia! Accounting4Taste 05:28, 3 November 2007 (UTC)

vampires and fungi
re: vampires, I did have an interest in the language, but it was for an unrelated project, and so have little cultural knowledge. If you can find translations or facsimiles of Sahagún's work, you mght have better luck, at least for the Cihuāteteoh ("standardised "classical orthography).

re: Fungi. I always recommend not putting systematic images: takes too much room. Place a few of them on the left instead. Maybe try to combine more fields to make the table takes less room? (see e.g. List of mammals of Korea and List of mammals of Canada. Also, given thelikely size of the list, you'll want to use actual headers instead of table divisions à la List of Anuran families. Circeus 21:04, 4 November 2007 (UTC)


 * re: mushrooms. I suspect there are actually more, but that you only happen to include those that commonly cause issues. How about mushrooms that are known to be toxic, but hardly ever consumed? Circeus 22:53, 4 November 2007 (UTC)

Variegated Fairy-wren
Hey. I'm currently reviewing Variegated Fairy-wren (printed copy, should reply tonight or tomorrow EST) and have a quick question. Is it a British thing to spell words like localised and recognised with the letter s instead of z? I noticed this in an earlier Fairy-wren and changed them, but now I'm wondering if its just a language difference. Thanks. Rufous-crowned Sparrow 21:48, 5 November 2007 (UTC)

Acro
Already did 'em! Sheep81 07:49, 7 November 2007 (UTC)

re:Map
Absolutely, I'd be happy to. hey jude. 18:09, 7 November 2007 (UTC)
 * I just finished the map and added it to the page. If you want different colors on the map, let me know and I'll change it. hey jude. 22:33, 7 November 2007 (UTC)

Notability of Witch's hat
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Another RfA Spaming
 Thank you for constructive criticism in my recent RFA which did not pass at (18/27/10). I will be sure to improve my editing skills and wait until someone nominates me next time. Thank you for you comments! Tiptoety 00:17, 8 November 2007 (UTC)

OhanaUnited's RfA
 Thanks for voting at my RfA. Unfortunately, the result stands at 51 support, 21 oppose and 7 neutral which means that I did not succeed. As many expressed their appreciation of my works in featured portals during my RfA, I will fill up the vacuum position of director in featured portal candidates to maintain the standards of featured contents in addition to my active role in Good articles. Have a great day. OhanaUnitedTalk page 04:07, 8 November 2007 (UTC)

Meh...
I see we've both lost interest in Vamps... How much longer do you think before we're done (I don't remember any other article taking this long - mind you it is 100KB). I've lost pretty much all interest; I can't wait to get it out of the way so we can move onto another article (Unless you don't want to - I know I've been a pain lately...). I was thinking Pork; a nice easy article and your nom for FAC. How hard can it be (Famous last words...). ;) Spawn Man 04:29, 8 November 2007 (UTC)

P.S. I saw a doco on this weird syndrome called AHS, which I thought you might find interesting (Sick stuff like your own hand trying to strangle you or poking your eye out with a knife - that sort of thing...) - maybe even a future collaboration for us if you haven't lost all patience with me. ;) Cheers Cas, Spawn Man 04:29, 8 November 2007 (UTC)


 * AHS is actually real; it's a neurological disorder after strokes (You can't tell very well from the article as it's kinda a mess). Which gameshow? Don't forget to look up on mushrooms in history too! Hmm, what kind of room can't you enter? A mushroom! :) Hahahaha! I'll let you use that joke on your gameshow. Aren't I generous? ;) Anyway, I dunno about potato, it's just as big a task as vampire; but maize seems pretty cool. However, I like the appeal of pork - it's a complete mees just like vampire, so it's kinda a clean slate. I'll understand if you're Jewish though why you don't want to edit it... Anyway, I'll let you study. Cheers, Spawn Man 05:11, 8 November 2007 (UTC)


 * Oh and Cthulhu‎ isn't my cup of tea - I like to write about things I know I have even an inkling about! ;) Spawn Man 05:12, 8 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Denny Crane... ;) Spawn Man 05:16, 8 November 2007 (UTC)

Ceres
Hi, Casliber. Could you do me a favour? I have just finished working on Ceres and this article now needs a careful reading. It is not urgent, but I want Ceres to appear on the main page on 1 January 2008 — the date of its discovery. Ruslik 09:43, 8 November 2007 (UTC)

Vampire Lifestyle
I have read the book, and it isn't that good. Many of the topics discussed are flawed and the book seemed to be influenced over religious opinion more than anything. Read the reviews if you want. undefinedFangz the Wolf 19:22, 8 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Someone just added it back in. He gave a snotty comment too. Should I revert him? undefinedFangz the Wolf 23:44, 8 November 2007 (UTC)

Some RFA spam
Thankyou for supporting my successful rfa which closed with 58 supports. If i am honest i am rather humbled by the unanimous support and i hope to live up to everyones expectations. If you ever need any help, don't hesitate to ask. Thanks again. Woodym555 14:13, 9 November 2007 (UTC)

Sign up!
Peer review/volunteers. Simple and could really be effective.

How are you anyhow? I was travelling all last month. In a random decision I've settled into Giant Otter. Marskell 17:05, 9 November 2007 (UTC)

Modified the Vampire Lifestyle page
I took information from the Saguine article before it was merged, and took a little info from the Psychic vampire article, linking it to the main article. It needs a refernce clean up though. undefinedFangz the Wolf 02:24, 10 November 2007 (UTC)

Fairy Wrens
It's better with it, as Circeus suggests. Perhaps you're being sensitive to the closeness of "it" and "its", which is an issue if we're being very fusssy about elegant language. May I suggest although in formal language (Encarta Dictionary's idea, and I agree). And I wonder whether you need to mark it grammatically with the addition of "does"; probably not. There's another issue that may not matter: "although", strickly speaking, is not logical, since we've been told that the diet is mainly insects (we're expecting something else already). So maybe:

I'll ask Hoary. Tony  (talk)  12:19, 10 November 2007 (UTC)
 * "The Superb Fairy-wren is mainly insectivorous, although it supplements its diet with seeds. or
 * "The Superb Fairy-wren's mainly insectivorous diet is supplemented with seeds. (A bit lumpy, although logical.)

Requests for arbitration/Eyrian
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I revamped the Vampire Lifestyle article!
You may want to check it out, it now covers Sanguiarians, and Psychic vampires. It also has tons of WP:RS as well. undefinedFangz the Wolf 20:49, 10 November 2007 (UTC)

Gorgosaurus
Hi Cas!

After all your hard work on Gorgosaurus in July, I've decided to nominate it for GA. I added one more reference, and I think it's ready to go. I'm still keen on the idea of a Featured Topic, and with Daspletosaurus, Albertosaurus, and Tyrannosaurus already FAs, and Tarbosaurus only needing minor work IMO, we could be well on our way to a FT. What do you say? Firsfron of Ronchester 05:41, 11 November 2007 (UTC)


 * Agree -oh, getting Tyrannosauridae(..and maybe Tyrannosauroidea?) there as well...cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 07:03, 11 November 2007 (UTC)


 * Sounds like a plan. :) So can I count on you to do a few? Firsfron of Ronchester  08:33, 11 November 2007 (UTC)


 * Sorry to interrupt, but I'll be quite interested to see how you'd handle Tyrannosauridae. Wikipedia's developed a good model for what an animal FA should look like at the species level.  But I've been working on rhinos, and I have to say that I don't think replicating the species article structure at the family level would necessarily work.  As far as I can tell, from looking through the other FAs, it will be rather untrod ground.  A family structure should more or less work at superfamily level.  But again at Order, I'm not really sure how you'd approach it.  Anyways... I'll be watching. --JayHenry 07:43, 12 November 2007 (UTC)
 * No apologies for interrupting necessary, Jay. :) Can I ask what you think of the format seen at Ceratopsia and Dromaeosauridae? These are recent GAs at the family (or higher) level. Input on how to improve them or the template for them is appreciated. Firsfron of Ronchester  07:51, 12 November 2007 (UTC)


 * Yeah, I was pondering that - really focussing on cladistics/evolution and definitions I'd guess...cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 07:48, 12 November 2007 (UTC)


 * Wow, I'd never seen before.  That's a nifty piece of templature.  It's getting rather late here, but I'definitely look at the dinos tomorrow. --JayHenry 08:02, 12 November 2007 (UTC)

Nah, it's not that great: see template talk:Clade. Hesperian 11:11, 12 November 2007 (UTC)

Article
Thanks for the offer. Hm, I don't think I've ever written a FA, at least not intentionally. When I have time for writing (which unfortunately isn't often) I tend to focus on translating stuff from the Dutch wiki, as per WP:ECHO.  &gt; R a d i a n t &lt;  12:04, 11 November 2007 (UTC)

My RfA
I wanted to drop you a note thanking you for your participation in my RfA, which was successful (137-22-5). Although you were in the group of 22, I do appreciate that you took the time to actually consider my contributions and make your own decision from your own observations rather than just making a pile-on vote. With that said, I look forward to proving my opposers wrong. :)  Lara  ❤  Love  18:49, 11 November 2007 (UTC)

Cain and Abel
Yes, I'm happy to work towards that, just not over the next month. I have a deadline for mid December, and I'm going to need all the time I can get.

After that, it'll be fun. :D Alastair Haines 21:05, 12 November 2007 (UTC)

Hey you Fun-guy!
Get it? Fun-guy/Fungi? Since you're studying mushrooms? ;) How'd the gameshow go? And I've also replied to your comments on the Vampire talk. Cheers, :) Spawn Man 02:42, 13 November 2007 (UTC)


 * Hmm, I still have one question about the Polidori text: "...Polidori had earlier composed an enigmatic fragmentary story concerning the mysterious fate of an aristocrat named Augustus Darvell whilst journeying in the Orient - as his contribution to the famous ghost story competition at the Villa Diodati by Lake Geneva in 1816, between him, Percy Bysshe Shelley, Mary Shelley and Polidori..." I fail to see how the story of the aristocrat is relevant to the vampire article? It doesn't mention that it has any vampiric themes and it seems to only be there for the purpose of showing that Polidori took part in a ghost story competition with the writers mentioned. If it said "He wrote a previous story about vampires in which blah blah blah..." that'd make sense, but it doesn't mention it. Anyway, Cheers. Spawn Man 05:07, 13 November 2007 (UTC) P.S. Is your game show going to be on TV? And why was it only specifically mushrooms?


 * Reading the excerpt here made more sense than our article, although it still doesn't hint at the story Polidori wrote having any connections to vampires, which makes me question why the subject is in the article... Spawn Man 05:11, 13 November 2007 (UTC)


 * (Sound of penny dropping)..oh I get it. Just take out the fragmentary story then. cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 05:16, 13 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Done. I'm glad someone got what I was talking about. ;) Cheers Cas. Spawn Man 05:21, 13 November 2007 (UTC)
 * JSYK, I'm leaving a record of what I've been doing on the article at the vampire talk page - comments would be appreciated. :) Cheers, Spawn Man 06:40, 14 November 2007 (UTC)

Hey, I just proposed a new vote if the article is neutral or not
Please do your part! undefinedFangz the Wolf 15:04, 13 November 2007 (UTC)

my RFA
  If you voted in my RFA... ...thank you for your participation. I withdrew with 83 supports, 42 opposes, and 8 neutrals. Your kind words and constructive criticism are very much appreciated. I look forward to using the knowledge I have accrued through the process to better the project. I would like to give special thanks to Tim Vickers and Wikidudeman for their co-nominations. Thank you again and, best regards. Van Tucky  Talk  This RFA thanks was inspired by Lara ❤ <font color="FF1493">Love's 

DYK

 * Just wanted to let you know that your article Clitocybe rivulosa was also included in Veropedia and can be seen here. Danny 10:08, 14 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the hint. I grabbed them both, and fixed a dab link on the first while doing so. Danny 10:57, 14 November 2007 (UTC)

Polio FAC
You said:
 * I reckon it would be great to get a paragraph on the Polio Hall of Fame in the latter part of the history section or maybe a legacy section underneath. I am just wondering, have there been any notable movies or novels with a protagonist with polio? Can't think of one off hand. Also, in a legacy section, I'd put a statement or two along the lines of 'many notable people' have had polio - with a link to the list there. Some of them seem to credit prolonged inactivity with their interest in a particular field (eg Donald Sutherland and acting). This is a great opportunity to show human triumph thru adversity and normalising disability etc. Ian Dury is another example which comes to mind. Doesn't have to be long but I feel in a disease such as this is really important. I can help collaborate on it if you want.

I'm a little nervous about the prospect of creating a trivia section (if we're not careful). If there are up to 20 million polio survivors, then the fact that many are notable isn't particularly surprising. Were you thinking of naming a few select polio survivors here? There are potential problems here. Which would you pick and how would you stop "drive-by" additions. Most folk wouldn't know Sutherland had polio and how many people under 35 have heard of Dury? I agree with your sentiments, and hope List of polio survivors achieves this in an encyclopaedic way (i.e., giving the facts, without emotive language). Can you elaborate on your ideas? Colin°Talk 13:57, 14 November 2007 (UTC)


 * If it's referenced properly and selectively written then the naysayers can...(CENSORED)...


 * I tried to do something similar at lion, see what you think. It has to have structure. Ian Dury was pretty notorious when Spasticus Austisticus came out - and he was very obviously crippled by his polio. There won't be many like him and Sutherland where the illness and incapacity were so overt though. As far as the future, you have to just keep watching FAs...I've been involved with a lot and the best thing is to be diplomatic and divert to subarticles. It is 1AM here and I need to sleep- I will try to discuss with others later. PS: vampire is another we're working up with similar issues in fiction...sleep now zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzcheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 14:04, 14 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Wrt fiction, closer parallels might be the "Cultural references" part of Tourette syndrome and its daughter article. If you can find the material, I'm sure you'll do a good job. Wrt people, perhaps I haven't explained my viewpoint. A bit of history... There was a section on "Famous polio survivors" at the end of the article. See this version. It was sourced largely to one geocities homepage. I removed it and created List of polio survivors to replace it. That list was then expanded in a joint effort with the other two polio guys, and is now featured. I hope it does "show human triumph thru adversity and normalising disability". I would find it difficult to select just a few from that large list. People from different age groups and countries will each have their own opinion on who are notable polio survivors. Colin°Talk 15:55, 14 November 2007 (UTC)

Taking into account Colin's concerns about "drive-by" additions and "trivia creep" (which I share, based on my experience with sections like this in other disease articles) how about this (or a better worded version) tacked on to the end of the History section?


 * Many notable individuals have survived polio and often credit the prolonged immobility and residual paralysis associated with polio as a driving force in their lives and careers. (Unclear how to source this though)


 * During the polio epidemics of the 1950s the disease was very well publicized, with extensive media coverage of any scientific advancements that might lead to a cure. Thus, the scientists working on polio became some of the most famous of the century. Fifteen scientists and two laymen who made important contributions to the knowledge and treatment of poliomyelitis are honored by the Polio Hall of Fame at the Roosevelt Warm Springs Institute for Rehabilitation in Warm Springs, Georgia, USA.

Let me know if this is what you had in mind or if I have gone totally off course. Also feel free to make adjustments or just rewrite whole darned thing. --DO11.10 18:50, 14 November 2007 (UTC)

Re: movies (if any) and one or two of most famous examples in para 1. Fears of engaging in clinical reductionism aside, I am still not convinced it is a good idea to list any specific names here. My choices for "most famous" would certainly be different than your picks. (For example I had never heard of Ian Dury before the "List". Note that: I am under 35 and an American, which apparently explains everything.) I think it would be much more appropriate to just provide a link to the "List".

As for movies, I find mostly documentaries on IMDB (which I do not feel constitutes a RS by the way) and maybe A Very Long Engagement but I am not sure it was made clear that she had Polio specifically. Any notable documentaries, I would feel more comfortable listing in the "further reading" section. Thoughts?--DO11.10 18:37, 15 November 2007 (UTC)

"Latest research indicates it forms a worldwide superspecies with Verreaux's Eagle, Gurney's Eagle and the Golden Eagle."
In a number of articles you have said "Latest research indicates it forms a worldwide superspecies with Verreaux's Eagle, Gurney's Eagle and the Golden Eagle." How do you know this? David Sher 22:13, 14 November 2007 (UTC)


 * I had borrowed a cool book on the Wedge-tail from the library which I have now unfortunately returned. Please stick a fact tag on it and we'll see what turns up on Google Scholar. cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 22:35, 14 November 2007 (UTC)

O.K. What is a fact tag, and how do I stick one on it? David Sher 18:27, 15 November 2007 (UTC)

Gorgosaurus
Hey Cas!

As you just noted, Gorgosaurus just made GA! Congratulations are in order, as this was mainly your work. :) Now if only you'd work on some of the other tyrannosaurids, instead of all those silly fungus articles, we'd have a FT! ;) Seriously, though, thanks for all your work on Gorgey. Firsfron of Ronchester 02:09, 15 November 2007 (UTC)

Copyedit
Thanks so much for that - prose is the biggest issue I have with all my writing, so your efforts in the past hour or so is much appreciated. Cheers,  Daniel  02:14, 16 November 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for the Review!
Thanks for reviewing the article that I am working on. <b style="color:green; font-family:georgia;">Miranda</b> 05:17, 16 November 2007 (UTC)

Fact tag (eagles)
Hi Calisber, regarding the articles about eagles and fact tags, where can I read about fact tags? You might not have seen my question above. -- David Sher (talk) 19:57, 16 November 2007 (UTC)


 * Sorry the fact tag is already there. I just meant to highlight it so someone would have a look. I've started noting things on the Wedge-tailed Eagle talk page. cheers,  Casliber (talk · contribs) 20:06, 16 November 2007 (UTC)

Thank you, I'll go to that page. -- David Sher (talk) 20:11, 16 November 2007 (UTC)