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Proposed deletion of List of universities in the Sahrawi Arab Democratic Republic


The article List of universities in the Sahrawi Arab Democratic Republic has been proposed for deletion&#32; because of the following concern:
 * List contains only one item. Sole source fails WP:RS thus raising WP:NRV issues. Additionally list title refers to a self proclaimed state which does not enjoy widespread recognition thus potentially raising WP:NPOV concerns. Bottom-line; there is no list here, there are no RS sources and there may be political implications/motives in the title.

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Please consider improving the article to address the issues raised. Removing will stop the proposed deletion process, but other deletion processes exist. In particular, the speedy deletion process can result in deletion without discussion, and articles for deletion allows discussion to reach consensus for deletion. Ad Orientem (talk) 15:37, 30 April 2014 (UTC)

Sign my guestbook!
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Talk
Hi Ceosad, thanks for your feedback on the Emilia Vuorisalmi article I wrote. I've added references now, do you think it's OK now? Would you remove your nomination for deletion, or what do you think I should still improve? (WP newbie), thanks for your time — Preceding unsigned comment added by Nemanja.rodic (talk • contribs) 07:50, 27 August 2014 (UTC)

Hi ! The references are good, but I personally feel that she just is not a notable enough person for a biography article. : ( I think that it would be better to create an article about Hehku instead, if the article gets deleted by vote here. She is known primarily for that TV show, right? (See this policy.) All of the contents on your article could easily fit into a new article about Hehku, so I would like to encourage you to write that article instead, if the current one gets deleted. Doing a biography article successfully is rather hard, due to all those complex policies! Articles about TV shows don't have the same problems.

I hope that I have not discouraged you in any way, and that you enjoy your stay in Wikipedia! : ) Ceosad (talk) 06:05, 28 August 2014 (UTC)

Hi Ceosad, thanks for the answer and instructions. I won't get discouraged :) in fact I want to perfect this article because I definitely think notability isn't an issue when someone occupies prime time national television slots. It says 'If the event is highly significant, and the individual's role within it is a large one, a separate article is generally appropriate.' on the (See this policy.) page. Hehku is prime time national television programming and she is one of the 3 hosts of this talk show, meaning they are all household names in Finland and she herself has covered all relevant national periodicals, most recently two weeks ago (Kauneus ja Terveys, publishes nearly 100000 prints in Finland). The notability is there, girls and women in Finland know her very well, the question is if I have referenced it properly. Did I understand it correctly that until you withdraw your nomination for deletion the article will stay nominated? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Nemanja.rodic (talk • contribs) 12:20, 28 August 2014 (UTC)

The article will stay nominated until a moderator either removes the nomination or deletes the article. I believe the status of the vote and discussion is checked weekly. I could not withdraw my nomination myself, and I am not a moderator. The process is explained here. It looks like there is currently no consensus here, so your article will most likely stay in wikipedia. :) Ceosad (talk) 19:04, 28 August 2014 (UTC)

DYK for With the Century
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Talk:With the Century
You have been primarily involved in this article; I invite you to join in for consensus. --George Ho (talk) 19:44, 13 December 2014 (UTC)

A cup of tea for you!
Thank you very much, for helping with cleaning up the article and nominating it for DYK! Ceosad (talk) 21:14, 28 April 2015 (UTC)

DYK for Shang Yue
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About Jangmadang
I want to let you know that I closed your deletion nomination for Jangmadang. Since the redirect as it stands is helpful, and since you are not ready yet to publish your draft, I closed the discussion. When you are ready to publish your draft, please go to WP:RMTR. Requests there can be fulfilled by administrators who will delete the blocking page and move your draft to the new title. Feel free to contact me with any concerns. Steel1943 (talk) 00:45, 2 September 2015 (UTC)


 * To add to what Steel943 said above: Alternatively (when you're ready for the move), you can simply tag the redirect page blocking the move with speedy deletion option WP:G6,   in this case. After the page is deleted, if the deleting administrator doesn't take care of it, you can move the page there yourself. Finally, you can request speedy deletion of the page where the draft used to reside after the move has taken place, with a WP:U1 tag.


 * Wouldn't this alternate method be the way to go in this case? WP:RM/TR is used for potentially controversial moves, which I don't believe to be the case in this situation, unless this has been previously deleted or has history I'm unaware of. Regards, — Godsy (TALK CONT ) 13:20, 2 September 2015 (UTC)
 * Either method works. (In theory, WP:RMTR is supposed to be used for uncontroversial moves; controversial ones there are usually opposed before they get to be moved. I don't see this one being controversial.) Steel1943  (talk) 13:38, 2 September 2015 (UTC)
 * You're correct, the introduction sentence on the WP:RMTR mislead me. — Godsy (TALK CONT ) 13:46, 2 September 2015 (UTC)
 * Thank you for the information! The page moves etc. have always been very confusing for me... Ceosad (talk) 20:21, 3 September 2015 (UTC)

The Freedom of speech Barnstar
Thank you ! Ceosad (talk) 09:08, 29 September 2015 (UTC)
 * You're most welcome, &mdash; Cirt (talk) 15:37, 29 September 2015 (UTC)

Further reading on Kim Bong-han
The links you're including in the further reading of that article do not seem directly relevant to the person. Also, Hindawi Publishing is a really dodgy outfit and should not be used in Wikipedia essentially ever. jps (talk) 22:34, 4 October 2015 (UTC)


 * Yes, those links were indeed not directly relevant on this person, but they were directly relevant on the single event he is known for! As it is stated in WP:SINGLEEVENT, the general rule on these cases is to cover the event primarily. As you know, the article for primo-vascular system was deleted a few months ago. This is why I think it should be reasonable to cover his research in wider detail, that is not typical on biography articles for people who have much more varied achievements. Regarding the Hindawi Publishing, I agree but external links or further reading sections don't need to use only reliable sources. WP:ELMAYBE Ceosad (talk) 23:12, 4 October 2015 (UTC)
 * I think we should stick to biographical sources. These could be in fringe journals if you like (there are a few that are cited in the article right now), but we don't want the article to become a coatrack for a deleted page. If this guy is notable for his invention of this pseudoscientific concept, then by all means we should discuss the concept, but going into further detail past his involvement is inappropriate. From what I saw of the sources that were included, they were more interested in discussing the new ideas associated with his initial proposal rather than the Kim himself or his initial idea itself. jps (talk) 23:32, 4 October 2015 (UTC)
 * Yeah, it sounds reasonable to draw a line where his involvement ends. These fringe journals pretty much have to be used as sources, as this person has been quietly purged from the North Korean history, although it is probably debatable what parts of these fringe journals can be considered reliable even for biographical use. It might be best to try finding Korean or Chinese language sources to support some of the claims. Ceosad (talk) 00:10, 5 October 2015 (UTC)
 * I wonder if he was purged for political reasons or because of some sort of external criticism? Of course, North Korea is so opaque we may never know. I strongly suspect that there are Korean and Chinese sources that mention him in greater detail, but I have only been able to find a few that have been translated from that time. jps (talk) 00:23, 5 October 2015 (UTC)
 * It looks like South Korean online newspapers and magazines do talk about him in detail. I found this and this. There are some Korean acupuncture journals out there too. I might collect some of the better Korean/Chinese sources on the article's talk page in the future. (About his purge: In 1967 there was some kind of political Kapsan faction incident, and in the late 1960s all kinds of unofficial publishing was banned. His disappearance might be related to those things.) Ceosad (talk) 00:56, 5 October 2015 (UTC)

It would nice to find sources that were not as credulous as the ones we currently have. In the interest of WP:NPOV, it would be a real shame if all we could find were acupuncturists gushing about his ideas. jps (talk) 01:07, 5 October 2015 (UTC)
 * That is true. None of the English sources contain meaningful criticism of his theories. I also wonder if it is possible to dig up something about the fact that he was a defector from the South to the North. It might not be enough to take care of the WP:SINGLEEVENT, but it is a start. Ceosad (talk) 01:22, 5 October 2015 (UTC)
 * I think I read that it was at least in part due to the North Korean government offering a tremendous amount of resources for scientist to work there. When your lab is devoted to studying acupuncture, a topic that maligned as pseudoscientific by mainstream science, it makes a lot of sense that you might find the resources offered by North Korea to be extremely attractive compared to the US-based grants that were not liable to look too kindly on his "breakthrough". jps (talk) 01:30, 5 October 2015 (UTC)
 * It is possible, that the resources for research were an incentive, but the defections during the 1950s to North Korea were almost universally because of ideological reasons. The exact timing and reasons of his defection would be very important details to find. I am somewhat unsure how the acupuncture was perceived in the 1950s-1960s, or at an earlier date under Japanese rule. However, the North Koreans have a tradition of supporting research for some very scary alternative medicines, such as "health injections". I guess the Chinese like to buy them. Ceosad (talk) 02:13, 5 October 2015 (UTC)

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Chukri system PRODs
Not a problem, my friend. I was hoping someone would rescue the articles and add more information. All the best to you. H.dryad (talk) 13:08, 8 December 2015 (UTC)

The Miracles Sing Modern
Please see all references included with article. At least four different albums by The Miracles refer to this album's existence...(including two of them by Official Miracles biographer Stu Hackel) in Motown Records' liner notes in those albums. Many Thanks, Willgee (talk) 05:22, 15 December 2015 (UTC)

I have the scan from The Miracles' 35th Anniversary Box Set liner notes, verifying that the album "The Miracles Sing Modern" was an actual unreleased Tamla album with the catalog number T234. I took the scan of it with my cellphone, but I've never sent a scan to Wikipedia before. Do you happen to know how ? Any help you give would be appreciated. Thanks. Willgee (talk) 19:05, 15 December 2015 (UTC)


 * I am not sure if the scan can be uploaded to Wikipedia, due to copyright/fair use concerns. How about uploading the picture to some outside hosting site like Filesmelt, and then giving us the url? We just need to see the scan to validate the source. By the way, you should also use the "|quote=" parameter and Cite AV media notes template to add that same information to the article too. I hope this helped. Ceosad (talk) 22:39, 15 December 2015 (UTC)

Thanks !! I'll do it tonight. Willgee (talk) 06:54, 16 December 2015 (UTC)

Leader's Greetings to you!


Leader's Greetings! Dear Ceosad, A wise man said. Reflecting the single-hearted unity of our editors, I have decided to send these Leader's Greetings to you – Ceosad – a masterful Wikipedian professing indomitable independence, creativity and consciousness in editing. May the popular masses and world progressive people enjoy your contributions next year, too! Finnusertop (talk &#124; guestbook &#124; contribs) 21:54, 19 December 2015 (UTC)

Happy holidays, Ceosad!

Kim Jong Un
Best wishes for 2016! I am responding here to your comments rather than risk violating Talk page guidelines. Personally I think the quest to get a photo of Kim donated to Wikipedia is likely to be fruitless. But I'm happy to be proved wrong. The best chance is that Russia releases a photo if he goes there. The RfC is now formally closed, and I certainly don't want to continue the debate for year after year. Though that is probably inevitable, as there is nothing to stop random passers-by venting their spleen. I certainly don't intend to use the efforts of people to obtain free photos to undermine their position against fair use photos.--Jack Upland (talk) 08:58, 30 December 2015 (UTC)
 * I would not really mind at all in the case that anybody would try to "undermine" fair use as a result of the newest efforts. Actually that was one of my motivations to do something, so that the discussions could get slightly more fresh. Also, it would (hopefully) be slightly easier and quicker to end the continuous arguments rather than starting them from the beginning every single time to reach the same conclusion. In the endless discussions it has been stated innumerable times that AP and the others remained uncontacted, but nobody had done anything substantial recently to move that part of the discussion forward, until I and Tonystewart14 started our quests. My hope is that the people who tend to come and randomly complain, or otherwise start the inevitable discussion, on the talk page could be better deterred and discouraged by simply telling them that "we have already tried it" instead of listening the blame of not contacting the photographers and arguments coming from misunderstandings of fair use policies and guidelines. This might be wishful thinking though. The arguing on the talk page had gotten really annoying this year, but I do not have ill will or blame towards you or anybody else. The other leaders' article talks are sometimes bad, but Kim Jong Un talk is just plainly ridiculous. You are almost certainly correct about Russia, and my hopes were on that solution too, but Kim Jong Un has been more isolationist than his father... Frankly, my time would probably be better spent on complaining about the biased WP:NCKO guideline, as the nature of the photographers' work make success unlikely. We shall see what happens next year. Best Wishes and Happy New Year 2016! - Ceosad (talk) 10:32, 30 December 2015 (UTC)

DYK for Pyongyang Maternity Hospital
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Speedy deletion nomination of List of gay male teen novels
Hello Ceosad,

I wanted to let you know that I just tagged List of gay male teen novels for deletion, because the article doesn't clearly say why the subject is important enough to be included in an encyclopedia.

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 * Thank you! Ceosad (talk) 18:46, 4 June 2016 (UTC)

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 * Thank you! Ceosad (talk) 00:34, 25 November 2016 (UTC)

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 * I found the page move in the history. Sorry. The article is good to go. SL93 (talk) 09:05, 26 March 2017 (UTC)
 * Thanks for reviewing! Ceosad (talk) 12:56, 26 March 2017 (UTC)

DYK for Giyorgis of Segla
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Muslim porn stars
Hi,, I noticed your draft on Muslim porn stars and the caption of the image ''Arab woman exposing her breasts, 1890s. Portrayals of hijabs have since become more commonplace in sexually explicit depictions''. In fact, the description on the file itself reads: Femme Arabe avec le yachmak, in English: Arabian women with the Yachmak. Just wanted to inform you, it might be useful for the article. Lotje (talk) 04:35, 30 April 2017 (UTC)
 * Thanks, ! I had not noticed that. I have been planning to finish the article, and I will change the caption to include yashmak. Ceosad (talk) 23:52, 30 April 2017 (UTC)

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 * Thanks! I had no idea that I had edited so much... - Ceosad (talk) 23:34, 5 May 2017 (UTC)

re File:TrumpOrb.png
(Cross-posted to 2 other editors who edited the file talk page) Hi, I'm a little unclear on the exact procedure that's going on here and what to do next. An editor tagged the article for deletion, and there was a bit of back-and-forth, with an editor saying (in an edit summary) "You must leave the di template in place until decided upon by an admin" (emphasis added).

This sounds like a speedy-delete situation where one person decides the issue and that doesn't seem right to me. I want a full-dress discussion at Files for discussion or wherever and let's get consensus to delete the image, if it is going to be deleted. If it was a contested-speedy-delete another editor could just remove the deletion tag (one did, but it was reverted). Not sure of the procedure here so I don't want to jump in myself, but could whomever is responsible and knowledgeable move this over to where it goes? Files for discussion I guess, or of not there let's have WP:MFD or whatever applies. Herostratus (talk) 15:37, 26 May 2017 (UTC)

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 * Cool! I should join in this year's project too! Ceosad (talk) 21:17, 1 June 2017 (UTC)

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 * Oh, really? Please read WP:BEFORE, as was pointed out by the user who speedily closed the AfD. Why not try to nominate Barack Obama on social media for deletion? That one is clearly less notable than Donald Trump on social media. On that matter, see WP:SPINOFF. Do you disagree with that guideline? Ceosad (talk) 18:08, 18 June 2017 (UTC)

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 * Okay, I had misunderstood the policy. (The previous AfD had been closed for procedural reasons.) I will open a new AfD for the page. Thanks for notifying me. Ceosad (talk) 17:16, 10 July 2017 (UTC)

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Addition to Korean Wikipedia
Hi Ceosad, I'm working on translating Bottega Veneta from English into Korean and was wondering if you have time to help me out. I found your username on wikiproject:Korean and saw that you're fluent in both English and Korean. I have a paid COI regarding Bottega Veneta, but my main concern here is ensuring that the information available in English is available and up to date in Korean as well. I have a translated version of the article on Sandbox. Would you mind reviewing it for accuracy as well as its compliance with Wikipedia guidelines? Thanks!--Chefmikesf (talk) 00:17, 26 January 2018 (UTC)
 * Hi! I am sorry, Chefmikesf, but I am not fluent in Korean language. You can find someone who can help you from here, here or here. Ceosad (talk) 12:01, 27 January 2018 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

 * Cool! Thanks, Donald Trung! - Ceosad (talk) 16:25, 6 March 2018 (UTC)

Propose unmerge
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Armenia/Azerbaijan discretionary sanctions
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