User talk:CloversMallRat

Why do you keep on doing this?
We have discussed this multiple times and you persist in doing this for years. You have once again changed the track listing style on an established article. We have talked about this so many times. Why do you keep doing it in spite of what MOS:VAR and WP:ALBUMSTYLE explicitly say (bold added): "When either of two styles is acceptable it is inappropriate for a Wikipedia editor to change from one style to another unless there is some substantial reason for the change." If you do not revert this change, I will escalate this matter. ―Justin ( koa v f ) ❤T☮C☺M☯ 08:40, 19 July 2024 (UTC)


 * You've also done this here and likely at other articles. Please undo this per ArbCom's words above on all the articles where you have changed an existing style. ―Justin ( koa v f ) ❤T☮C☺M☯ 09:09, 19 July 2024 (UTC)
 * "unless there is some substantial reason for the change" Quite literally in the explanation here that you gave. Your tracklisting lacked information valuable to the article. It is a DUETS album and the tracklisting lacked any indication of the featured vocalists. It was an incomplete piece of information. I am tired of your hostile attitude towards me editing Wikipedia in good faith and for the better just because it doesn't suit your particular outdated style of things. CloversMallRat (talk) 21:26, 19 July 2024 (UTC)
 * There is no need to use that template and there 100% is no substantial reason here. Please tell me why you did this. As you likely know, there is no requirement to use track listing for duets, as 1.) this is listed in the personnel section and 2.) plenty of articles are just fine without it (e.g. Tears of Stone (album)). You are making changes without consensus to your preferred version in direct contradiction to ArbCom's directives. I am asking you to revert yourself and ask for consensus prior to changing styles. ―Justin ( koa v f ) ❤T☮C☺M☯ 21:27, 19 July 2024 (UTC)
 * You know why I use that template, because the vast overwhelming majority of album articles on Wikipedia utilize it. Please stop acting obtuse as if I'm the one using some off-brand style that hasn't been widely embraced by the Wikipedia community. The fact that you had to dig up an article on an album released in 1999, from 25 years ago, as an example in favor of whatever angle you're trying to make here only further proves that. And, unlike you, most editors don't attack others with this type of hostility when edits like these are made to add additional information to articles and improve upon them. The creator of the Riley Green album article created a base in rudimentary fashion and I simply made significant, beneficial changes to it on all fronts beyond just the tracklisting, i.e. You are literally the only editor on this site I've come across in two decades of editing that has 1) been this inhospitable toward me over literally nothing that requires this amount of investment and 2) even cares remotely one iota about using the basic old format for the tracklisting. Just because it is "acceptable" doesn't make it good, and it is especially lackluster for something like Stampede where it is a duets album and the format doesn't even properly allow for the featured vocalists to be listed, which is essentially removing valuable information. CloversMallRat (talk) 21:40, 19 July 2024 (UTC)
 * So you admit that you made this edit from one of two acceptable styles to another purely because you prefer it and not because of anything substantial? Will you be reverting yourself here or not? ―Justin ( koa v f ) ❤T☮C☺M☯ 21:41, 19 July 2024 (UTC)
 * Incorrect, that edit you keep referencing shows significant beneficial contributions to the article in question, so I'm not sure why you keep bringing it up as an effort to prove your point. I'm also even further perplexed because it has absolutely nothing to do with your initial reason for posting on my talk page. And even further so that you once again showed that you did not actually read and take into account any of what I said above. You're clearly just -- unsurprisingly as it is a common thing for you -- here to engage in a mindless cyclical debate. It's a shame you spend this much energy on useless drivel instead of just editing Wikipedia for the better. CloversMallRat (talk) 21:47, 19 July 2024 (UTC)
 * In that edit, you added track listing. I am obviously only referring to that aspect of that edit, so please stop being obtuse. You added it in spite of the fact that there was an established style. Why did you do it? I'm asking you again: will you be reverting yourself or not? If you refuse, I'll escalate this. I'm hopeful that you will abide by ArbCom and the editors' consensus at WP:ALBUMSTYLE. ―Justin ( koa v f ) ❤T☮C☺M☯ 21:52, 19 July 2024 (UTC)
 * For the record, this article that you seem to be frequenting lately is a perfect example of the style you prefer working because the entire record is single-handedly written by 1 person. That is the only time when it is preferable and effective to utilize that over the format that I've implemented in other articles because it requires no extra specifications for additional writers, featured vocal collaborations, or differing producers by track. There is a reason why you will see on every big mainstream artist's current releases, which is why you obscurely linked an album from 1999 to prove your point instead of something relevant. CloversMallRat (talk) 21:55, 19 July 2024 (UTC)
 * So you refuse to answer the question, which means you refuse to revert yourself, which means I will escalate. ―Justin ( koa v f ) ❤T☮C☺M☯ 22:00, 19 July 2024 (UTC)
 * I have only contributed valuable and beneficial information to articles that was previously missing, such as the complete irresponsible absence of featured vocalist credits in the tracklisting for a DUETS album. CloversMallRat (talk) 22:03, 19 July 2024 (UTC)
 * Your refusal to answer questions, refusal to revert, and additional insertion of comments in other conversations is noted. Thank you for your time. ―Justin ( koa v f ) ❤T☮C☺M☯ 22:19, 19 July 2024 (UTC)
 * Just like with the other user that I noticed you were harassing today and hastily going back-and-forth with (good to know it's not just me that you go on the attack over tbh), I do not have any obligation to answer your questions, especially when you repeatedly regurgitate them ad hominem without any indication that you've even attempted to read my responses where I've thoroughly explained my positions. I'm not on Wikipedia to exert excess energy arguing with a brick wall. CloversMallRat (talk) 22:34, 19 July 2024 (UTC)
 * I see you've done it again to another article that I've created. ―Justin ( koa v f ) ❤T☮C☺M☯ 23:10, 19 July 2024 (UTC)
 * And I saw you were too lazy to even add songwriters. Do you enjoy half-assing everything? CloversMallRat (talk) 23:26, 19 July 2024 (UTC)
 * That's an interesting way of responding. Please see Administrators%27_noticeboard. ―Justin ( koa v f ) ❤T☮C☺M☯ 23:49, 19 July 2024 (UTC)