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 * As of the census  of 2010, there were 4,697 people, 2,173 households, and 1,148 families residing in the

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 * mouth, Mahoning Creek is a warm-water fishery. However, the tributaries of Mahoning Creek are [cold-water] fisheries. In the 1820s, there were large shad, [[salmon]

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 * Alcoholic beverages have also been advertised using his hats, beginning with Tennents lager in 1987 and including Tia Maria, Cinzano, Perrier, Boddingtons, and [[Martini &

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 * influx of immigrants from countries such as Zimbabwe. Mexico 's economic growth is threatened by an ongoing drug war in the north of the
 * Looks like you've been surprised, too, at how many (manual) mistakes concerning double square-brackets one can make. Do you think it would be possible to add a remedy via script, to be run after manual tweaking of an article, and before saving? I could ask OhC ...? Tony   (talk)  03:43, 30 July 2013 (UTC)
 * It ought to be possible to run the same script that the bot uses, but on request through a manual process. OhC would probably have a better understand of how to do that. Colonies Chris (talk) 20:02, 30 July 2013 (UTC)

Double pounds
Just checking - did you mean to do this? -- John of Reading (talk) 10:55, 30 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Sorry, I meant to add a line, not overwrite the existing top line. Colonies Chris (talk) 11:04, 30 July 2013 (UTC)

Publishers
Thanks for commenting on the "Diamonds" FAC. I worked a bit on the references I think it's okay now. Although, I can't control Hung Medien and Prometheus Global Media (in the chart tables) since that's a part of the singles template. I hope that's okay with you. Cheers!— Tomíca (T2ME) 13:25, 1 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Thanks. I've raised the question at Template talk:Singlechart. Colonies Chris (talk) 13:41, 1 August 2013 (UTC)

Hi
Hi, I just noticed that Thái Binh Province is half-accented. Thanks for the RMs, it surprises me that there is more consistent support for geo articles than bios, normally in English it is the other way round. Also, I wonder if you have time whether you could offer some encouragement to Grenouille vert to rethink his descision to stop contributing articles to en.wp? In ictu oculi (talk) 02:15, 3 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Thanks for spotting that, I don't know how it happened. The fully-accented version is a locked-down redirect. so I'll put in a technical request to get it changed. I'm not aware of GV's decision - is there a discussion on this somewhere? Colonies Chris (talk) 08:20, 3 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Only personal chit chat diff, impressive list of substantial article creations. In ictu oculi (talk) 13:49, 3 August 2013 (UTC)
 * I saw the latest geo RM, thanks, I'll get round to adding support after others do. At the same time my watchlist just informed me that a bot has pulled notification of the Vietnam naming conventions Rfc, the result was already that there has to be a RfC before it is formalized. I wonder if it might be better to do as Naming conventions (Indic) are doing and do it properly rather than burden RM with too many more piecemeal RMs. Despite initial WP:SNOW support I sense that WP:RM regulars probably would prefer a longer term solution and a wider consensus? In ictu oculi (talk) 01:28, 5 August 2013 (UTC)
 * I'll need a bit more background to understand your comment. I wasn't aware of a current RFC. Is there another way of getting these articles retitled other than multiple RMs, or are you suggesting something else?


 * If I understand the context of this discussion correctly, there is, rather "was", no consensus in support of or against article names following "native" diacritics, the last time I tested the waters. Much like what's said in the guideline that WP neither supports nor opposes diacritics in article names. But that was two years ago – things could have changed since then. Maybe the RfC could have been better scoped and laid out. I note that the anti-diacritics cabal seems to have been losing ground in the last two years, so you're welcome to test the waters if you want to try constructing a new RfC on the topic. I'll be happy to pitch in. --  Ohc  ¡digame!¿que pasa? 08:24, 5 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Chris, sorry, since the bot delisted it it no longer shows in RfC list, it's on the bottom of Wikipedia talk:Naming conventions (Vietnamese) but simply putting a 'draft' note back on the essay won't help things, The last time it had any multi editor input was this (!) in other words a virtually blank stub that 1 editor created in 2008 and another filled in later. I see none of the actual article creators inputting. I wonder is there a tool that can identify the top 20 editors who contributed to WP V tagged articles in the last 2 years? I see DHN, MXN, Lugnuts and Dr Blofeld. There are various issues relating to Sino-Vietnamese and infoboxes that are really in a mess too. A worse mess than the titles. In ictu oculi (talk) 08:59, 5 August 2013 (UTC)
 * User:Ohconfucius, two years ago was the peak wasn't it? I missed when you were involved in a big RfC, I wasn't interested and to be honest if a minority TENNISNAMES supporters hadn't been so offputting in the comments about 'national' editors probably wouldn't have got involved in submitting all those Hockey and Tennis RMs - I got the feeling (possibly wrongly) that leaving 0.05% of articles at a warred state would have been more disruptive in the long run than grindingly annoying weekly RMs. Neither of the two publishers I have worked for have used anything more than French, Spanish and German accents, i.e. Economist MOS. FWIW I originally didn't support either Serbian or Vietnamese names - because my generation didn't see them even in those countries (which means 80s/90s for me), and was surprised when checking further, thanks to the anti-diacritic group behaving badly, to find Serbian sports press in Latinica, Britannica using full Slavic accents, and some Vietnam War histories using Vietnamese. (You probably didn't need to know that, whatever). In any case since you mention it, no, I personally don't think there's a need to have a RfC over the ambiguity of WP:DIACRITICS when only 1 European BLP agrees with the anti-diacritic interpretation of the guideline, and that BLP is heavily watchlisted. But for Vietnamese - yes - the last Vietnam RfC was 23:16 for full Vietnamese, 23:10 if you discount canvassing. There's definitely some feeling that Vietnamese is more difficult than Czech. How much of this is objective because technically the Vietnamese fonts are more complex, and are less used than Czech etc, and how much is because it is Asia not Europe is difficult to judge. I don't think the Asia aspect is a big issue overall - since it doesn't affect Turkish, with one foot in Asia. In ictu oculi (talk) 08:59, 5 August 2013 (UTC)
 * That was appallingly verbose, sorry, Colonies Chris, the answer is yes - I think that a peaceful new RfC and a tidy up of Wikipedia talk:Naming conventions (Vietnamese) needs to go to the larger community, but there's no mad rush. They are only tiny marks on a page after all. In ictu oculi (talk) 09:12, 5 August 2013 (UTC)


 * sound familiar? In ictu oculi (talk) 11:01, 11 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Some remarkably sophisticated edits for a user of just three weeks standing. Where are possible sockpuppets reported? Colonies Chris (talk) 11:31, 11 August 2013 (UTC)


 * Sockpuppet investigations/Kauffner, but I messed up the template last time with puppet No.5 so I've notified Cuchullain the admin who fixed the template last time. This is FYI. Cheers. In ictu oculi (talk) 11:41, 11 August 2013 (UTC)

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Tennis
? presumably you are guilty of spelling living people's names correctly :) ? In ictu oculi (talk) 17:02, 13 August 2013 (UTC)
 * I certainly plead guilty to having added diacritics to a lot of mentions of tennis players. But I don't understand the point being made here at all. Colonies Chris (talk) 22:12, 13 August 2013 (UTC)
 * I presume Fyunck(click)'s point (which obviously I think is ridiculous) is that if you (or I, or anyone else) can correctly spell a foreign name, and 499,999 of them are at foreign name titles, then that is the same as Fyunck(click) going round 100 articles mentioning Ana Ivanović and removing the ć
 * 04:52, 13 August 2013 (diff | hist) . . (-1)‎ . . List of sportswomen ‎ (pointy...start doing the same to colonies chris or this is hypocrisy) (current)
 * 04:51, 13 August 2013 (diff | hist) . . (-1)‎ . . Aleksandar Đorđević ‎ (pointy...start doing the same to colonies chris or this is hypocrisy) (current)
 * 04:51, 13 August 2013 (diff | hist) . . (-2)‎ . . Ágnes Szávay ‎ (pointy...start doing the same to colonies chris or this is hypocrisy) (current)
 * 04:49, 13 August 2013 (diff | hist) . . (-1)‎ . . Ana Timotić ‎ (pointy...start doing the same to colonies chris or this is hypocrisy)
 * 04:48, 13 August 2013 (diff | hist) . . (-1)‎ . . María José Martínez Sánchez ‎ (pointy...start doing the same to colonies chris or this is hypocrisy) (current)
 * 04:47, 13 August 2013 (diff | hist) . . (-1)‎ . . Portal:Current events/2008 June 7 ‎ (pointy...start doing the same to colonies chris or this is hypocrisy) (current)
 * 04:46, 13 August 2013 (diff | hist) . . (-1)‎ . . Yonex ‎ (pointy...start doing the same to colonies chris or this is hypocrisy) (current)
 * 04:46, 13 August 2013 (diff | hist) . . (-35)‎ . . Ana Jovanović ‎ (pointy...start doing the same to colonies chris or this is hypocrisy) (current)
 * 04:44, 13 August 2013 (diff | hist) . . (-1)‎ . . Forehand ‎ (Reverted to revision 568171689 by Fyunck(click): pointy...start doing the same to colonies chris or this is hypocricy. (TW)) (current)
 * 04:41, 13 August 2013 (diff | hist) . . (-3)‎ . . Hallenstadion ‎ (Reverted to revision 568171630 by Fyunck(click): ponity.... start doing the same to colonies chris or this is hypocracy. (TW))

Obviously both juvenile and disruptive, but the question is another RfC per WP:TENNISNAMES2 or simply fix the actual article? Which is the lesser effort to close off more disruption? In ictu oculi (talk) 06:13, 14 August 2013 (UTC)

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