User talk:Creativity97/Archive 4

Archived discussions from: October 11 to December 29, 2012.

B&B and Y&R Wikiproject proposal
There is the link to the proposal. Also, I was considering making a page for Summer Newman. I have finally got into LB's acting, i think she is great and I'm not happy they are replacing her. I disagree with "They do not warrant a page because they are minors". Summer so far has had notable stories and we have much to document. Tell me what you think.  —Arre  JLover  01:51, 11 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Also, if you find some free time, I've Resurrection Jabot Cosmetics. I think it deserves an article of its own due to its notability on the show and in real life. If you can, please help add anything you can to the page. :) thanks  —Arre  JLover  09:11, 11 October 2012 (UTC)

Yes, that's a good idea. She's a teenager and now warrants a page. Can we use your sandbox this time? I've added my user name under "Support" in the proposal. And I thought MF retired from Wikipedia indefinitely? I'm not entirely keen on developing a page for Jabot. I know its relevant in both the show and in real life, but I'm not sure there's enough information out there to build a good quality article for it. But if you can build an article for it, go right ahead, and if I happen to come across anything I'll add it.  Creativity 97  (TALK)  22:22, 11 October 2012 (UTC)
 * I hope hoping that we could do that in the WikiProject once it's up. Thanks for that. Yes MF has retired indefinitely but I am hoping he will return someday after a while away. He was a big part of some recent changes for Soap articles and i still refer to his opinion on things. I don't think someone warrants a page based on age, or duration. The page has already been developed it is just in progress. I'm not asking you to fully work on it, haha :) just add things if you want. Btw I love Jennifer Landon's hair Lol. What are ya thinking of Yr storylines?  —Arre  JLover  05:15, 12 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Also, i just read that a Newman will die on Y&R... I wonder who. Whoa. I realized the only Newman leaving is Abby Newman. I wonder if she will die. It would be awful considering Ashley isn't there.  —Arre  JLover  06:08, 12 October 2012 (UTC)

Okay sounds good. I doubt Abby dies. In the Soaps In Depth report of her final airdate, there was no mention of a "dramatic exit" or anything. And October 23 is a Tuesday, I don't think they'd kill someone off on a day other than Friday! LOL. I don't want Abby to die, we just need a break from her for a while. And they wouldn't kill her off with Ashley unavailable to return. I love Chadam but they're too boring. We need a major spice-up. My dream is for them to become the ultimate villain couple! Both characters individually need spicing up too. And c'mon, we need closure to this Anita/Jeffrey marriage crap. Last I saw, Anita presented their marriage certificate to a shocked Gloria, who is now all accepting of this? It wasn't played out right and that really pisses me off. I was hoping Jennifer Landon would have blonde hair, like before on ATWT. I didn't like the whole redhead thing and I don't like Phyllis as a brunette either. If "Niktor" remarries, it will be fantastic. The only reason I enjoy them together is because when they're apart, everything virtually crumbles in their worlds and it's a boring process. For example, Nikki and Jack reunited and Victor married Sharon, which just caused havoc in Genoa City. I have yet to watch the last two episodes of this week so we can discuss after tomorrow!  Creativity 97  (TALK)  21:53, 12 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Yea, same here, And I don't want her to die either! She is Victor & Ashley's only child and also carries on Brad's legacy. Yea, Chadam are boring. Well, i wonder what their baby dying will do to the relationship. Noo Chelsea could never be a villain Lol...well she used to be manipulative so that could work maybe. And I'm not too sure about villain couple. I thought Sharon and Brad would have made a good villain couple. In all honesty, Jeff/Gloria are really boring these days. I loved the writing when after John died, the animosity towards Gloria from the Abbott family. I think MS was just experimenting. She went fully black now she is slowly going back to being a red-head. True, the show seems "right" when Niktor are together. Drama is great but it's also nice to see relationships together and alive and happy. Niktor are the central of Y&R. Oh, okay.  —Arre  JLover  00:43, 13 October 2012 (UTC)

Let's face it, when was the last time that Jeff and Gloria were genuinely interesting? I've never found them interesting. They're a bore-fest that I follow. LOL.  Creativity 97  (TALK)  02:51, 13 October 2012 (UTC)


 * I thought JFP's first episode was October 12? MAB's name is still shown as "executive producer" onscreen. The only thing I noticed was that it said "Written by Josh Griffith", and then MAB, Hogan Sheffer and Scott Hamner. What's going on? I done with MAB! Where's JFP?! Also, I like your Jess Walton image. But I reverted your Eileen Davidson one because in all honesty the previous image was much more recent and better quality. Let's just keep it as is. And has a Summer page begun development?  Creativity 97  (TALK)  15:04, 13 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Jeff/Gloria were interesting, but that was a few years ago. Did you watch John's death storyline on YouTube and the saga that continued afterwards when Gloria and Jeff invaded the Abbott mansion and claimed half of it which annoyed the hell out of Jack & Sharon? Yea, that was pretty funny. The actress is capable but now all that Gloria is diminished to is the women behind the counter at "Glowarm" ..is that how u spell it? (awful restaurant name tbh). But I'm happy we've been seeing more of Lauren/Fen/Michael and even Gloria. I'm so annoyed at the way they've all been treated; their family is never shown on-screen much, only Michael as the lawyer. Ew, have you seen the new Summer? I don't like her. I prefer LB. Yea i know, I can't wait till MAB's name is knocked off. Yea, I saw that. It was pretty nice to see. What do you mean "more recent, and better quality?" that one was from like 4-5 years ago and the one I changed it to was from 2010 I believe.... but whatever, I'm not gonna get into an edit war over info-box pics again. Info-box pics don't have to be good quality; they are actually meant to have low quality compared to the original picture so I never get why people talk about quality, etc. No I decided not to do a Summer article anymore. The new Summer bores me and I'm no longer interested in her character.  —Arre  JLover  01:03, 14 October 2012 (UTC)

What I mean was that the current image looks more like Ashley from the past year. It doesn't matter in the big picture though, you're right. I was intrigued by the idea of developing an article for Summer so if I find enough info for one, I think I'll build a page for her. But it's definitely not on the top of my to-do list. I have not seen Haley King yet but I found it stupid how LB's last scene was a car crash, and now she'll wake up with a different face or something? But I love Robert Adamson as Noah. Even though he hasn't had anything major yet I think he has major potential and already is much more interesting than Kevin Schmidt. But I'm still not entirely used to him yet, just before I was like, "Wait, who's that again?" I think he'd be great with Eden again. A fight or rivalry needs to spice up Kyle and Eden. So much for Sharon burns down the Newman ranch...  Creativity 97  (TALK)  02:33, 14 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Hm I disagree, but never mind. Same here, but that was only because I took personal interest in the character. I hate the new actress. You can if you want, and I'll help. Omg they are at it again with Sharon's picture. So annoying. I know! It's so weird. LB really worked her last scenes at the court-house. Robert Adamson is good looking and everything but not the right fit. KS has left his mark as Noah and should remain, just with a hair cut Lol. Also, Kevin Schmidt had much more chemistry as son/parent with SC and JM, IMHO. But yea i would like to see Noah and Eden back together. What do u mean 'so much for'? Sharon's burning the sucker down this week! Haha. It's gonna be epic LOL  —Arre  JLover  05:26, 15 October 2012 (UTC)

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Hey
Hi C97. Why did you change Victoria's 2011 image to one from 2005?  —Arre  JLover  03:40, 17 October 2012 (UTC)


 * I just thought it would better represent the character. Even if it's from 2005 or not I thought it looked better. Whatever I don't care.  Creativity 97  (TALK)  19:53, 17 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Okay.. Ar  re   08:10, 18 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Didn't mean to annoy you are anything..you seem kinda annoyed. Ar  re   08:16, 18 October 2012 (UTC)

No I wasn't. Sorry if I was feeding off that mood to you...  Creativity 97  (TALK)  19:58, 18 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Did you see the burning Ranch yet? Ar  re   02:06, 19 October 2012 (UTC)

No it's on tomorrow! OMG I feel so bad for Sharon. Those little flashbacks just show that she's not perfect and people need to cut her some slack!! I really wonder how she'll recover from this...  Creativity  97  02:13, 19 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Yes..me too. She's still the 18 year old who wants the "Newman approval" and wants to be loved. Everything Sharon went down-hill after Cassie died and Nick cheated. I love what Sharon said, everyone else gets a free pass but she has to "pay and pay and pay" and is treated as the town pariah. Sick of it! Tbh I'm happy she burnt the ranch. The Newman children are just stuck-up and whiny (Mostly Nick/Abby), Nikki is a total hypocritical bitch and Victor..let's not even go there. He has killed people, kidnapped people, etc and he wanted Sharon to pay? Oh please. Pathetic writing from MAB. So glad she's gone. The Newmans have been a hot mess and so out of character. Ar  re   06:26, 20 October 2012 (UTC)

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A message from WikiProject Grey's Anatomy
Hello, I would like to thank you for being apart of WikiProject Grey's Anatomy! Unfortunately, you have been given semi-active status by the project, due to your inactivity for one (1) month(s). Your work to the project was always appreciated, being that you were a great asset. This message is to encourage you to return to the project, and help out in the tasks that need addressing. To become an active member again, all you have to do is make at least five (5) edits, to any Grey's Anatomy-related page, over the course of two (2) weeks. We miss you at the project, and hope to see you around soon! Sofffie7 (talk) 20:40, 22 October 2012 (UTC)

Request for comments/opinion
Hi Creativity - I'm trying to come to a consensus at this discussion regarding the inclusion of some primetime dramas that have been called soaps/soap-like in the WP:SOAPS project. If you have a minute any opinions are greatly appreciated. Take care, Kelly Marie 0812 (talk) 02:24, 23 October 2012 (UTC)

Hey!
Hey, how r u? I am just posting this to tell you that, I think we should do something to avoid there being issues with the "occupations" sections of articles, by listening the occ. and then the duration of them. I've already done so with Sharon and Noah. Hope you can follow this format! Also, I've begun work again on trying to get Sharon to a good article status. Hopefully it makes it! Ar re   09:09, 25 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Gahhh *breaths* I just spent hours copy-editing and cleaning up Sharon! What do you think? Ar  re   11:00, 25 October 2012 (UTC)

Wow! You've done an amazing job. I really think Sharon deserves GA. Have you any reviewers yet?  Creativity  97  21:07, 25 October 2012 (UTC)


 * Also, I've just published an article for Summer Newman. What do you think?  Creativity  97  21:51, 25 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Thanks, yes I hope so. It will be Y&R's first good article, exciting. Yes, the Summer page is good. But a break isn't necessarily; that's the only thing. Other than that, it's great. Ar  re   01:17, 26 October 2012 (UTC)

Okay. Also, I asked somebody to review Sharon for GA, if that's okay.  Creativity  97  21:58, 26 October 2012 (UTC)


 * They said they've got a lot of GA reviews to do already, but if they get some time they'll do it. But someone else might review it before then.  Creativity  97  23:40, 26 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Thanks, that means a lot! I asked someone too, but they are very busy as well. Ar  re   01:02, 27 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Also, did you hear about the rumor that Sharon is going to have a brain tumor! Wow..that would really be great to explain all the weird things she has done. Don't ya reckon? She would totally be redeemed. Even though I enjoyed "bitch" Sharon i want my confident Sharon back! Ar  re   01:16, 27 October 2012 (UTC)


 * No I didn't hear that but wow! Yes that'd be a great way to explain all the crap she's pulled. Hopefully after that's all done with we can get back to normal Sharon who won't be arrested or marry the grandfather of her children!  Creativity  97  02:22, 27 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Yes, it would be! I'm annoyed that now they are trying to inject Sharon into Chelsea & Adam's marriage. But I'm happy Sharon said she won't be the other woman..that's the Sharon we all know, she's finally back. Now all we need is an explanation and a brain tumor would be great. SC would do a really great job with it as well. By the way, did you hear about all the things Victoria Rowell said about Michelle Stafford? Ar  re   01:33, 28 October 2012 (UTC)


 * No I didn't hear, what did she say?  Creativity  97  14:31, 28 October 2012 (UTC)


 * A friend of mine has signed up to review Sharon for GA!  Creativity  97  22:45, 28 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Thanks so much for asking them! Even if it fails, atleast I will know how I can better it to re-nominate it. So it means a lot. Vic just said that Peter Bergman, Christel Khalil and Michelle Stafford are rude and mean. She also said that Melody Thomas Scott and her husband aren't nice people. She praised Sharon Case, Joshua Morrow and Eric Breaden, though. She said that MS spit on her on purpose and also talked about YRs racism issues. Very interesting to see what she said. Ar  re'   10:44, 29 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Oh and on another note, I just realized that Nick and Sharon's divorce was finalized in March 2007. I saw it on SC and just remembered the 6-month divorce thing. Ar  re   10:46, 29 October 2012 (UTC)

Hey just wondering, do you know when that user is going to do the GA Review? :) Ar  re   05:02, 1 November 2012 (UTC)


 * He said he'd do it when he got a chance. I'm not pressuring him because I know he's busy during the week.  Creativity  97  21:18, 1 November 2012 (UTC)

Episode summaries
Can you please voice your opinion at Talk:Once Upon a Time (season 2)? Thanks, TRLIJC19  ( talk  •  contribs ) 18:22, 31 October 2012 (UTC)

Re: Noah Newman
I originally reverted the file because it was not released by CBS; your picture is actually a promotional image of Adamson's character on Lincoln Heights; yes, it is used to decorate houses onscreen, but it is not owned by CBS. The picture I initially upload was directly from CBS Media.--Nk3play2 my buzz 18:01, 4 November 2012 (UTC)


 * Okay. Thanks for the clarification.  Creativity  97  19:14, 4 November 2012 (UTC)

AMC and OLTL help
I was wondering since you created the List of characters from Y&R from 1970s to 2010s, can you help me with this? Thanks! Jester66 (talk) 00:23, 6 November 2012 (UTC)


 * I didn't watch AMC nor OLTL so I don't have a vast knowledge of characters like I do with Y&R. And I'm trying to limit my contributions to subjects that fit my interests. Sorry.  Creativity  97  22:28, 6 November 2012 (UTC)

Template discussion
Hey! I have started a discussion about soap opera article templates and the unneeded "Romance" section here at WP:Soaps that is of your interest, as an avid contributor to soap opera content on Wikipedia. Please share your thoughts! Ar re   06:26, 12 November 2012 (UTC)

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Victor Newman
I finally got around to working on it. Could you help me out if you get time? :) Ar  re   11:13, 13 November 2012 (UTC)


 * I love what you've done with it. But I reverted your new image to the previous one I uploaded, because yours was from 2009 and mine is for sure from 2010. Plus, I find it better depicts the character. I'll add what I find, but it seems you already have a good grip on it. Also, I like your new Drucilla image!  Creativity  97  22:20, 13 November 2012 (UTC)


 * I've created a section for the character Jamie Vernon on the 2010s page. I was initially going to add him to the "Others" section but I looked around and the character is not a guest role; Josh Griffith revealed in TV Guide that he is part of a crucial cyberbullying storyline with Summer and Fen, and that it could last up to months. Because of all this information and such a controversial subject, I felt he needed a full-blown section.  Creativity  97  23:12, 13 November 2012 (UTC)


 * In regards to the Victor image, I like to use images that depict the character in their natural state like Sharon, instead of a photo-shoot. And I like the head-shot, which is why I uploaded it. 1 year doesn't really make a difference. Infact, I think for Victor it would be better to have an image of him in 2005 or whatever, to represent him in between years because he is a long-running character. My image is from 08, actually. Yes I know about JG and the cyber bully plot. I'm not too sure if he is on a recurring status. I think he is on an extended guest role but I guess we'll see where the story takes us. I personally think he should go in the others section. But if it does last months then he is notable enough. Ar  re   00:59, 14 November 2012 (UTC)


 * Okay, I understand your reasoning on that. From what I found about Daniel Polo he is on a recurring status and will last as long as his storyline holds out (which, again, JG said could last months). Also, in regards to Eric Braeden being on that Zellers commerical, do you know what year that was?  Creativity  97  01:58, 14 November 2012 (UTC)
 * Oh okay, does JG say that during his TV Guide interview? Judging from the 14th Monday episode the storyline won't drag out too long because they've already figured out Summer has something to do with it. But because of his notability for the cyber bully storyline, maybe even if he is a guest, he should have a section. The Zellers commercial was around 1999-2000. Not sure when. Why do you ask? Oh by the way, did you hear about Sharon? She has bipolar disorder! That's a good explanation for her weirdness in the last few months. Phew. Hey this is not wiki-related (Lol) but what do you think of Navery? Ar  re   05:38, 14 November 2012 (UTC)
 * After researching I just found out that the Zellers commercial was in fall 1998.  Ar  re   05:40, 14 November 2012 (UTC)


 * JG doesn't say that in TV Guide but I think it's a fair prediction. I was just wondering about the Zellers commercial because I saw there was no specific year in the text and was curious. I suppose bipolar disorder is a good explanation for Sharon's actions, but I would've preferred the brain tumor, LOL. And I love "Navery" (is that their couple name now?), I liked them last year too but I became disappointed with them when Avery was just doing it to spite Phyllis. I like how they're building a full-blown relationship for them. Both of them need it. But I hate Phyllis and Ronan. He's way too desperate and it's a little pathetic. I want Phyllis with Jack! I really think that should be re-explored.  Creativity  97  22:15, 14 November 2012 (UTC)
 * Nonetheless, he is relevant because of the cyber bully plot. Ah okay. The Zellers commercials are so hilarious! There is one with Melody Thomas Scott too! It's funny. He's talking to this women with cheaper clothing and asks her to run away with him and Nikki shows up in her car. Yea same here! Bipolar is okay; it explains well why she has acted the way she has, but a brain tumor would have fully redeemed her and everyone would have supported her. I was disappointed they didn't choose to do that, because SC would have been amazing in a storyline like that! I'm enjoying her acting, but I'm sick of Sharon being in one place for sooo many episodes (like in jail for months, fairview, and now that cottage at Adam's place). I hate Navery! Haha. The are so boring for me personally and the only blond Nick belongs with is Sharon, Lol. You know I hate Phyllis with a passion right? But when it comes to Avery vs. Phyllis I'm on Phyllis' team. It's weird. OMG! I love Phyllis & Ronan. I don't think he's pathetic...he just wants to be her friend and she's still hung up on Nick. Love Phonan! I think Nick is the most pathetic character on the show right now; he acts like a 16-year old kid! Needs to grow up and be a man. But Phyllis belongs with Jack, exactly! It's funny how Jack/Phyllis always end up with nothing at the end of the day and always find eachother. What do you think of Noah 3.0? Ar  re   23:58, 14 November 2012 (UTC)


 * Yes I'm quite aware about your feelings for Phyllis. LOL. Are you kidding? I'm on team Avery all the way. I love her character and the actress; during the reign of MAB Avery was only in the picture for legal purposes and I almost forgot that she was Phyllis' sister. Plus, at that time I hated Jessica Collins but now she's blossomed and I love it. Should've anticipated that you'd hate Navery considering it involves Nick with someone other than Sharon! But all this back and forth with "oh, we need to stay friends" and "but no, now I want more because I've thought it over" needs to stop. They both want it so bad and they need to move forward. Ronan bores me. I prefer his cop side rather than his intimate side. I wish he had more scenes with Nina, after that whole goodbye scene in February I was so sad and wished that he'd re-connect with her when he came back but that didn't happen and I was mad. Anyway, I love Robert Adamson as Noah. He bares a resemblance to Nick which is good, and he has more of a storyline. Plus, he's an awesome actor. Kevin Schmidt bored me to all ends; I liked him as teenaged Noah but a recast should've been brought in for adult Noah. What do you think of Hunter King as Summer?  Creativity  97  02:48, 15 November 2012 (UTC)
 * LMAO Nick is such a douche. Avery used to be okay but the moment she fell for Nick her interest dropped 100%. She is so boring and annoying ha. It's not because I don't like him with anyone else but Sharon...well, he doesn't match with anybody else anyway haha. He even had more chemistry with Diane. Navery are boring, everyone else on twitter/youtube agrees Lol. I think they will end soon because it's been poorly received. A spoiler said Sharon finds love with a former love. I'm wondering who that is. It can't be Jack, because he'll be with Phyllis; It can't be Adam because they won't break up Chadam...so I'm hoping for a Shick reunion. So far I'm not liking most of the changes the new writers have done, but we'll see. And u know that new restaurant on YR? what's it called? Is that the old Glowarm? Ugh so glad they got rid of Glow-warm or however it's spelled. It's the stupidest name ever haha. Ronan is so hot! I prefer Ronan over Nick anyday! I miss Chlonan (Ronan/Chloe) they were the best. Robert Adamson does look like Nick and he has really good chemistry with Sharon and Faith, more than KS. But he still needs additional work he isn't that great of an actor. I don't like Hunter King as Summer! Summer is meant to be 15 years old or 16...she is way too old. I hated Lindsay Bushman at first, but the moment around the time she left, I was just starting to love her. She is better than Hunter King. Ar  re   07:48, 15 November 2012 (UTC)

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Discussion
Hello There! There is a discussion here about Children of The Young and the Restless. Please share your opinions. Regards, Ar  re   02:43, 16 November 2012 (UTC)

Ronan
Hey, this is about Ronan's duration. If you look at this featured article Poppy Meadow, she has departed more then once but it just reads "2011–". Ronan's short departures never last long, only a few months here and there. Therefore it should read 1986, 2010—. Ar re   04:04, 16 November 2012 (UTC)


 * I disagree. Branson was let go, meaning at the time a return was in question. Besides, aren't American soap articles different from soap articles elsewhere in the world?  Creativity  97  21:23, 16 November 2012 (UTC)
 * No, they're still soap operas. I don't know, it just adds clutter and his breaks aren't long. When he leaves next, we can close the duration (2010–12) but if the exit lasts less then 2-3 months, we can just leave it. Ar  re   01:20, 17 November 2012 (UTC)

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Angelina Veneziano

 * Yay...we finally have a GA for Y&R :D Ar  re   08:10, 18 November 2012 (UTC)
 * Thankyou for getting on board and adding the info-box 2 to Sharon. It looks so good! So does Jill's. Ar  re   11:18, 18 November 2012 (UTC)


 * That's great news! I added Angelina to the list of quality articles on WP:SOAPS. And you're welcome, I think info-box 2 is better overall.  Creativity  97  15:20, 18 November 2012 (UTC)
 * Yes, I'm so happy. I want to work on getting another Y&R article to GA and I thought Ronan Malloy, because it's a short article and will be easier for people to review. Ar  re   02:10, 19 November 2012 (UTC)


 * Sure, I'll help if you want. In retrospect, any article can be brought to GA. It's just a matter of bringing it to a better status.  Creativity  97  02:29, 19 November 2012 (UTC)

Characters with initials in name
Hi - wondering what your opinion is in situations when character names are initials, in regards to space or no space. I'm really only versed in GH, and am having a discussion here: Talk:A. J. Quartermaine, but there aren't many other GH characters to compare. I came across J.T. Hellstrom from Y&R, who looks like a similar situation, and C.J. Garrison from B&B, but don't know enough about these characters to make a comparison to A.J.  Anyway, if you have a sec and know anything about these other characters or just have an opinion, feel free to weigh in! Take care! Kelly Marie 0812 (talk) 02:59, 19 November 2012 (UTC)


 * I've voiced my opinion. And feel free to ask me to weigh in on discussions regarding any U.S. soap articles! Regards,  Creativity  97  03:13, 19 November 2012 (UTC)


 * Thanks!! I'm still confused and really wish it could go back to no space, but we'll see. Any consensus on his name will be good, the prose in all the GH articles is soooo inconsistent with his name. Sigh. Take care! Kelly Marie 0812 (talk) 03:31, 19 November 2012 (UTC)

DOOL wedding list
Thoughts on this rogue soap orphan I came across? Kelly Marie 0812 (talk) 04:59, 19 November 2012 (UTC)


 * I see that article as completely pointless. Soaps have many weddings onscreen each year and I don't need see the need to make a list for them.  Creativity  97  21:49, 19 November 2012 (UTC)


 * Me too. I noticed there is a B&B version that redirects to the show page. I think this should do the same, or deleted. Maybe I'll PROD and see if anyone objects. Kelly Marie 0812 (talk) 05:56, 20 November 2012 (UTC)

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Jack Abbott (The Young and the Restless)
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 * The character is notable however. You said the character was non-notable, which it most certainly is not. The article can easily have some third party sources added to it in no time.  Creativity  97  02:50, 20 November 2012 (UTC)
 * I'd definitely take help with the sandbox article, here is the link: User:Nk3play2/Jack Abbott.--Nk3play2 my buzz 03:29, 20 November 2012 (UTC)

Characters who've appeared on more then one soap!
I've seen you slowly adding the Template:Infobox soap character 2 to some the U. S. articles and I started doing this as well. However, I have yet to figure out what to do with a character who has appeared on more then one soap opera. While some appeared on several soaps for very lengthy stints, others may have only appeared on a few episodes. My suggestion is that we add a new parameter; the series parameter can be for the show in which the character first appeared on; and the other parameter, which has yet to be named, could be for the other show or shows that the character has appeared on. I am only suggesting this because the series parameter can often become a bit clutter, especially when it comes to characters who have appeared on two or more soaps.--Nk3play2 my buzz 22:53, 19 November 2012 (UTC)


 * Thank you for the suggestion, I will bring it up with some other users and get back to you.  Creativity  97  02:52, 20 November 2012 (UTC)
 * See this article: Amber Moore. It's not that hard. All you have to do is add "&". And it's clarified. Also, I don't believe in separate duration/first-or last appearances for different soaps. It's one character. Ar  re   13:56, 20 November 2012 (UTC)

Katherine Chancellor
Hey, I was thinking, you're right. We should try to improve Kath's article and get it to GA. If you still want to, would you like to do it together, and we can co-nominate it if it reaches a good enough standard? We need to plan out how we set it out, though. Because I've noticed you and I tend to sometimes format pages differently. Ar re   14:02, 20 November 2012 (UTC)


 * I think we should model it off of Victor's article. I like the way you set that up.  Creativity  97  21:34, 20 November 2012 (UTC)
 * Yea okay, we should start collecting sources. Could we agree on formats of all pages? Could we make all images 200px. Just so everything is the same. Also, when publishing articles from now on, can we agree to include Casting, Development and Storylines always? Ar  re   23:34, 20 November 2012 (UTC)


 * That sounds good. No problem.  Creativity  97  01:11, 21 November 2012 (UTC)
 * I saw you've already started Katherine. How bout, you do Katherine & I'll do Jill? I'm working on Jill right now. Then we can get through them faster and move onto other long-running characters like Paul, Christine, Nina, Nick, Phyllis etc. Ar  re   05:46, 22 November 2012 (UTC)
 * Just a note about Katherine; it's best to do the body first and then sum it up in the lead. That's what I did for Victor. Ar  re   12:29, 23 November 2012 (UTC)

Replacing the Infobox with Infobox 2!
I agree with the replacement, but due to some users preferring one over the other, will there be a merging of the two templates; I'm concerned about editing wars starting due to differences in opinion. Do you know if this is actively being discussed or if this the plan?--Nk3play2 my buzz 02:53, 21 November 2012 (UTC)

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Infobox discussion
Hi - I started a discussion here on the infobox changes. I know we've been testing it out but the edit wars are starting switching back and forth between the boxes, so I'm hoping we might be able to come to a quick consensus? I've also started this sandbox, just an IMO version of what we could use. Let me know what you think! Kelly Marie 0812 (talk) 06:54, 21 November 2012 (UTC)

Brittany Hodges
Hey, why did you redirect Brittany's article? It's not sourced well but if there are atleast 2 sources we should keep the article. We don't need to be making the decade lists any longer than they already are. Oh and btw, are you going to work on Katherine's whole article, or do you want me to help with condensing? Ar re   06:08, 24 November 2012 (UTC)


 * There was only one real source, the others were just recaps to source appearances. And I figured it just be easier to redirect because there wasn't a lot of information and a long plot summary. But if more information can be found I guess a more well structured article could be built. Was she really that notable during her run on Y&R? I've been trying to work on Katherine but I've been busy elsewhere. I'd love your help if you get a chance! Let me know. Also, there was a really old rerun of Y&R on, I'm guessing from late 2002 because it was Victor and Nikki's second wedding. I saw how great Heather Tom was as Victoria! But it made me realize that despite her long tenure in the role, Amelia Heinle has put a mark in the role as well.  Creativity  97  16:54, 24 November 2012 (UTC)
 * I just expanded Brittany Hodges. I think we should keep articles a chance before blanking and merging especially an article of a character like Britt. I miss her! I was trying to give the decade pages a bit of a trim which Is why I ended up making an article for Angelina Veneziano. Brittany was extremely notable during her run... if she doesn't get a page then people like Ronan, Genevieve etc who are only recent shouldn't either. We must find a balance of historic significance and current notability. Yes I'll try to help with Katherine. I'm sort of done with Jill's article. Did you read it? What do you think? Yes, I saw the re-run. It was from September 2002 I think. Amelia Heinle has made an impact but she's nothing compared to Heather Tom.. that sounds kinda harsh, aha. Those were the good ol' days... Cassie and Brad were alive, Nick and SHaron were together even though they were fighting, etc. Did you see Ashley's hair? Aha. So funny. I loved that they aired this!! They need to do it more,honestly. Ar  re   01:57, 25 November 2012 (UTC)

Temporarily retiring
Hey C97, I am just telling u that I'm gonna be temporarily retiring in a few days. I'm moving and I'll be really busy plus I won't have a laptop or PC, Lol. :) Ar  re   12:40, 25 November 2012 (UTC)


 * Okay. Hope you return soon!!  Creativity  97  14:40, 25 November 2012 (UTC)

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Catch-up
Hey, just though I'd catch up with you on Y&R and Wikipedia. What have you been up to lately on Wiki? Oh, and what are you thinking of current storylines? What do u think of Victor's new penthouse? How amazing is it? I saw you nominated Adam Newman for GA. I hope it works out. I want really badly for Sharon's article to be a GA, but the reviewers just don't care and I'm so frustrated. I'm not whimpering about it, but I'm kinda discouraged:( Ar  re   10:46, 5 December 2012 (UTC)


 * I understand what you mean by frustrated. From what I saw, the reviewers really don't care. Recently, I've just been trying to improve character articles for Y&R. I'm moving slowly because I don't have a lot of time here during the week. I like Victor and Nikki's new penthouse, but Victor and Nikki's storyline and Sharon's are really the only ones I'm enjoying right now. The cyberbullying storyline and business related stories are boring. I've been watching GH the past few weeks because frankly (I hate to say it), it's more interesting than Y&R. And I don't see a Daisy return anytime soon either because Paul has been exonerated and Daniel is leaving. There's really no place for her in Genoa City which is unfortunate because she's really the only person who could bring some suspense to the soap. What are you thinking?  Creativity  97  21:42, 5 December 2012 (UTC)
 * Yes, they don't care nor have time. Yes, the penthouse is AMAZING! Aha..so much better than the ranch. The Chancellor/Abbott Manors are timeless because they are mansions but the Newman mainhouse was just out-dated. Yes they are! I'm only watching for Sharon like always, Lol. I love GH but it can be a bit..idk...boring at times. The Paul storyline was awfully long and pointless! But Doug Davidson nailed his portrayal. Tbh I think it's good Daniel is leaving. He had no storylines and really wasn't that interesting. Ar  re   11:18, 6 December 2012 (UTC)


 * I agree. Daniel was boring, but he'll be back sometime. OMG the Paul storyline was so drawn out. It could've been resolved by the end of July. I really hope they address the Paul/Christine relationship. That'd be good. It'd give Paul a story other than his almost-conviction for murdering his sick son.  Creativity  97  21:18, 6 December 2012 (UTC)
 * I don't think he will; the actor seemed bored and unwanted, idk. Yes it was! It was annoying. I loveee Paul and Christine and i didn't think they would be together again, so happy! But I'm sad about Nina & Danny. Ar  re   02:35, 7 December 2012 (UTC)


 * Nina will be back, she's still recurring. It may be a long while before we see her again, but she'll make her way back to Genoa City. I don't really like Danny, other than how he gets under Phyllis' skin. I feel they just try to keep him included every now and again because he was a crucial character for so many years.  Creativity  97  22:26, 7 December 2012 (UTC)
 * Yah she's been recurring for years now, I just meant I'm sad she had her heart broken and is alone again. Why don't you like Danny? omg did u see the Dec. 7th episode? The Newmans are so awful to Sharon. I'm so glad Noah finally realizes what awful people his grandparents are. Ar  re   03:16, 8 December 2012 (UTC)


 * Danny is kind of boring. I don't really see him as needed. Yes I saw the latest episode, and I'm finally happy that Nick is semi-standing up for her. I think Chadam will reach its inevitable end.  Creativity  97  16:17, 8 December 2012 (UTC)
 * Yea Lol, Danny's voice can put me to sleep. He used to be interesting but not any more. I really hate Adam at the moment. He is the biggest douche ever..he blamed the kiss between him/Sharon on Sharon! What kind of a person is he? Sharon and Chelsea need to shut the door in his face. He deserves nothing. Ar  re   03:06, 9 December 2012 (UTC)

Starr Manning and infobox edits
Thank you for reaching out. The only reason I reverted the Starr Manning infobox to the default soap opera infobox is since it's the format primarily been used in ABC Daytime character articles, and particularly for One Life to Live character articles. FrickFrack 00:16, 15 December 2012 (UTC)


 * Oh, okay. Would you mind if I reverted it back to Infobox 2 then?  Creativity  97  00:19, 15 December 2012 (UTC)


 * Absolutely, since you've explained it. I'll transition the other OLTL characters infoboxes to 2. FrickFrack 02:15, 15 December 2012 (UTC)

Discussion
Hi there. here there is a discussion regarding List of The Young and the Restless characters (2010s) and its unmanageable length. Please contribute your opinion asap, thankyou. Ar re   11:13, 16 December 2012 (UTC)

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Restored old lists, created new list
Hey C97. I've restored the 2010, 2011 and 2012 character lists and created a new one for 2013. Please add them to your watchlist and keep on the look-out :) thanks. Ar  re   10:35, 17 December 2012 (UTC)


 * I reviewed the restored lists and new one, and they're good. Good job. Have you begun fixing any links?  Creativity  97  01:37, 18 December 2012 (UTC)
 * What do you mean fixing any links? I haven't seen any errors... Ar  re   04:58, 18 December 2012 (UTC)
 * Omg! I can't believe they let Stephen Nichols go! Such a stupid move. I wonder if they want Marcus Wheeler to replace Tucker's position. Ar  re   06:26, 18 December 2012 (UTC)


 * What I mean by the linking is a lot of pages link to the 2010s page, so they should be fixed to the corresponding year page. And I'm glad Nichols was let go. I've always hated Tucker. Personally, I'm all for a replacement character.  Creativity  97  22:48, 18 December 2012 (UTC)


 * Oh i see, I've fixed a few redirects so far. Stephen Nichols is an amazing actor although I hate Tucker. I bet this is due to a budget cut. Ar  re   04:09, 19 December 2012 (UTC)

List of The Young and the Restless characters (2000s)
Hey C97. I was just having a look at this list. It's a bit of a mess and way too long. We either need to pick out a few relevant characters and make individual articles for them or, split them up into years. What do you think? Ar re   12:02, 18 December 2012 (UTC)


 * If we must split it up, I think we should pick out some notable characters and make articles for them.  Creativity  97  22:51, 18 December 2012 (UTC)
 * I agree. But, which ones do you think are notable enough? Isabella was very notable during her two years so I restored her article. Ar  re   04:06, 19 December 2012 (UTC)


 * I'm not sure which ones are relevant enough for articles. Maybe we could browse for information on some and see if there's enough for an article? Also, I was wondering, what and where do you search to find the screenshot images you've been uploading? I haven't been able to find any good ones.  Creativity  97  23:02, 19 December 2012 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

 * Wow! Thanks so much Alfredo!  Creativity  97  02:01, 19 December 2012 (UTC)

Re
Thanks :) which characters do you want to give their own article? We can do them together. If you're online :) Ar  re   14:46, 22 December 2012 (UTC)

Yes I'm online. I've just restored David Chow (The Young and the Restless), and was thinking of doing Carmen Mesta. What do you think?  Creativity  97  14:58, 22 December 2012 (UTC)
 * Can you please give your opinion here? Also, yes those are notable characters. We'll take it from there. Ar  re   14:59, 22 December 2012 (UTC)


 * Would you mind finding some development information for David Chow? I'm going to start Carmen Mesta but I don't think I'll have time to finish it all now. Can you help?  Creativity  97  15:03, 22 December 2012 (UTC)
 * Are u sure? I'm sure there's something. I'll go have a look now... :) Ar  re   15:07, 22 December 2012 (UTC)


 * I have to go now, but I will start work on Carmen Mesta later today when I get a chance. Thanks in advance for your help!  Creativity  97  15:27, 22 December 2012 (UTC)


 * Hi. In response to your message, I'm not too fond of using tumblr images :\ they are often edited and all of them by fans. And not as in edited to bring out sharpness or anything, but edited to add fancy shades and textures, stuff like that. So no I don't think they should be used on Wikipedia. Ar  re   03:41, 24 December 2012 (UTC)

Merry Christmas

 * Cheers to us! Same to you.  Creativity  97  19:42, 24 December 2012 (UTC)

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Tyler Michaelson character article???
Hey. I started a discussion on whether the character of Tyler Michaelson merits his own article. Your opinion would be greatly appreciated.--Nk3play2 my buzz 21:17, 27 December 2012 (UTC)


 * Done.  Creativity  97  02:49, 28 December 2012 (UTC)

Nick and Sharon
Hey :) I've been doing some work on N&S's article what do u think?? Also, I saw you add this really good quote from Kay Alden/Joshua Morrow about Cassie/Nick/Sharon from Soap Opera Digest. Do u happen to have anymore articles on them from your SOD issues? Ar  re   18:22, 29 December 2012 (UTC)


 * Hi! I only have that one issue from June 1999, when they reunited after the whole Grace/Nick thing. I might be able to find some more quotes from that article though, I'll check and let you know. And yes, I like what you've added! I added some sources to Victoria Newman that I found through searching Google News, what do you think?  Creativity  97  20:19, 29 December 2012 (UTC)