User talk:Cuchullain/Archive 17

Wikipedia style
I bow to your knowledge of Wikipedia style; I did not realize there was any contention on that comma rule.

I am, however, curious about the decision to use British punctuation rules. Do you know why the American project opted to use British rules? To me, it would make more sense to use American rules. Not only is the project headquartered in America, but America is also geographically much larger, has a larger population, has a greater number of writing professionals, etc., etc. I don't get it. --Jp07 (talk) 13:27, 30 June 2011 (UTC)


 * Well, it's really just this one convention. The MOS also strongly prefers using double quotation marks, the American convention, rather than the British single quote marks. In the case of quotation marks there are technical reasons for the preference; I don't know why logical punctuation got such a foothold, but it's been in the MOS since it was first put together in 2002.
 * Other than a few things like this, there's generally no preference for any variant of English; it's just supposed to be internally consistent, and use the appropriate variant if the subject has a clear national tie.Cúchullain t/ c 14:16, 30 June 2011 (UTC)

Jacksonville Braves
Thanks for your work on the Jacksonville Braves page. It's always great when someone expands a minor league team page like that. Alex (talk) 04:31, 1 July 2011 (UTC)


 * Thanks! I'm going to submit it for DYK today. My ultimate goal is to eventually expand all the articles on Jacksonville/North Florida area teams.Cúchullain t/ c 12:15, 1 July 2011 (UTC)

Completely new abortion proposal and mediation
In light of the seemingly endless disputes over their respective titles, a neutral mediator has crafted a proposal to rename the two major abortion articles (pro-life/anti-abortion movement, and pro-choice/abortion rights movement) to completely new names. The idea, which is located here, is currently open for opinions. As you have been a contributor in the past to at least one of the articles, your thoughts on the matter would be appreciated.

The hope is that, if a consensus can be reached on the article titles, the energy that has been spent debating the titles of the articles here and here can be better spent giving both articles some much needed improvement to their content. Please take some time to read the proposal and weigh in on the matter. Even if your opinion is simple indifference, that opinion would be valuable to have posted. HuskyHuskie (talk) 19:40, 4 July 2011 (UTC)

DYK for Jacksonville Braves
Thanks from the wiki Victuallers (talk) 08:04, 13 July 2011 (UTC)

Middle Ages
Reddi added the globalize tag and obviously still wants to radically change the article from its original subject - see Talk:Middle_Ages. Dougweller (talk) 14:36, 18 July 2011 (UTC)

July 2011 Newsletter for WikiProject United States
--Kumioko (talk) 00:23, 24 July 2011 (UTC)

Richwales's activity since last year's failed RfA
Hi. Following up on some earlier conversations we had, I thought you might be interested in knowing that since my failed RfA bid last December, I've been working on improving content (4 GA's and hoping to get one or two of them to FA by year's end), making judicious use of tools to combat disruptive editing (Twinkle and STiki), and I've also recently started participating in AfD discussions. If you have any feedback (especially in the AfD area, where I admit I'm extremely new), I'm very open to hearing it. Rich wales (talk · contribs) 05:43, 24 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Great work on the GAs. I'm pretty impressed by the AfD responses I've looked at - good judgement, and good policy-based explanations. I think you're definitely making progress on the issues brought up at the RfA.--Cúchullain t/ c 20:56, 25 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Thanks.  Rich wales (talk · contribs) 21:14, 25 July 2011 (UTC)

Request for feedback on an article i'm working on
Hi. I'm working on a biographical article on George E. Crothers — an important alumnus, trustee, and benefactor of my alma mater, Stanford University (and not to be confused with George Crothers, the Irish cricket player). Once the page is in decent shape, I'm planning to nominate it for DYK. If you have any time to go take a look (User:Richwales/Drafts/George E. Crothers) and give me feedback, I'd be grateful. Thanks. Rich wales (talk · contribs) 03:46, 30 July 2011 (UTC)

Hello
I sent you an email using the Wiki e-mail system. Thks — Preceding unsigned comment added by TheodoraN (talk • contribs) 10:13, 4 August 2011 (UTC)

History section rewrite for Florida vs. Georgia Football Classic
Hi Cuchullain,

Can we try to get this section dispute resolved before the football season begins? I imagine this article will attract additional interest and random editors during the season that aren't aware of the current discussion, so if we can agree on a new compromise wording for the history section before then, it would be appreciated. I would be glad to write it myself, but my versions haven't previously been acceptable. -Jhortman (talk) 17:15, 16 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Sorry it's taken so long to get back to this. I'll weigh in over there.--Cúchullain t/ c 18:55, 17 August 2011 (UTC)

Muhammad's wives
I do not understand why you keep reverting my edit to this page. Your right that the onus is on me to justify my edit - and that is exactly what I did - "it's innacurate/un-encyclopaedic to call a girl a woman", which is what the current text says. Please stop reverting perfectly reasonable edits, and focus on making this article more encyclopedic Santa Suit (talk) 15:31, 18 August 2011 (UTC)


 * Per the preferred bold, revert, discuss method of editing, you need to discuss your controverted change on the article talk page. Please do this.--Cúchullain t/ c 15:35, 18 August 2011 (UTC)


 * Many people invoke BDR when really their motivation is to preserve a form of text which they personally find agreeable. I'm sure you have your reasons, but the issue here is too clear cut to warrant BRD. Quite simply it is not factual to write that "Muhammad married eleven or thirteen women" because he did not. One was not a woman, she was a girl. This description is not open to debate or discussion; it's not a matter of opinion upon which concessus can be sought - there is no middle road here - a young girl cannot be described as a woman. The Muhammad's wives article is not good and clearly has POV issues running through it. Wikipedia is an encyclopedia and your primary motivator should be to make this article more encyclopedic. Santa Suit (talk) 16:03, 18 August 2011 (UTC)
 * That is my primary motivation. Again, take your concerns to the talk page.--Cúchullain t/ c 16:16, 18 August 2011 (UTC)


 * If that were true, we wouldn't be having this discussion. Santa Suit (talk) 18:30, 18 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Nonsense. We're having this discussion because you feel strongly about your edit but won't discuss it on the talk page, as is the standard practice.--Cúchullain t/ c 18:55, 18 August 2011 (UTC)

Reddi
Just saw Editor review/Reddi, due to close in 3 days. Dougweller (talk) 15:43, 23 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Hmm. I don't believe I've crossed paths with him since the Middle Ages nonsense (and I don't think I ever crossed paths with him before). --Cúchullain t/ c 22:16, 23 August 2011 (UTC)

Target Shooting in Ireland

 * Despite a low public profile, Ireland has enjoyed considerable success in recent years in target shooting, with Irish shooters being ranked amongst the top shooters in the world in many disciplines, including Olympic clay pigeon shooting and IPSC shooting. The Irish Olympic clay pigeon team won the World Championships team event in Olympic Trap in 2002, and Irish shooter Philip Murphy claimed the silver medal in the World Championships in 2010. His teammate Derek Burnett has won the European championship title. The team has also won several World Cup medals in both team and individual events. The clay pigeon high performance director has also been appointed head of the ISSF coaches committee and the head clay target instructor with the ISSF Training Academy in recognition of these successes.

The above is completely correct and verifiable: http://www.issf-sports.org/development/academy.ashx http://www.icpsa.ie/coaching/coaching_news/1790-issf-coaching-committee.html http://www.olympicsport.ie/sports/shooting/index.1.html http://www.issf-sports.org/shooters/shooter.ashx?personissfid=SHIRLM2710197001 http://www.issf-sports.org/shooters/shooter.ashx?personissfid=SHIRLM1205195801 http://www.issf-sports.org/shooters/shooter.ashx?personissfid=SHIRLM1003196401


 * Target shooting is notably absent from this coverage, with at least one newspaper having a de facto ban on its coverage.

And while I can't provide you with a recording of the call, I was personally told by the Sports Editor of the Irish Times, Malachy Logan, that the Times would not cover target shooting as a policy. (I was the public relations officer for the NTSA at the time). Cuchullain, what else do you need to see referenced before restoring the text to the page? — Preceding unsigned comment added by MarkDennehy (talk • contribs) 00:37, 2 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Your material needs to be referenced with an inline citation to a reliable source to be included. Some of those links might be usable (I haven't checked them all out), but clearly your personal phone call to the editor can't be used. If you need help with the formatting I can help with that.Cúchullain t/ c 00:44, 2 September 2011 (UTC)

September 2011 Newsletter for WikiProject United States
--Kumioko (talk) 13:43, 5 September 2011 (UTC)

Disambig page
I could not move the Water of life disambig page because there is already a page. Could I get the file mover capability so I can do these things more easily? Your help will be appreciated. Thanks. History2007 (talk) 17:14, 11 September 2011 (UTC)
 * If there's already a page history there it takes an administrator to delete it and move the page. I'll go ahead and do it now; I don't see any way a move request would end with any other result.--Cúchullain t/ c 15:50, 12 September 2011 (UTC)


 * Ok, Thanks. History2007 (talk) 15:56, 12 September 2011 (UTC)

Valladolid Debates
I have to go to bed now. It is quite frustrating how RafaelMinuesa is filibustering (or is the right word trolling?) on that page, I don't need to provide sources since I am only removing his unsourced material, but have provided more than a handful of sources, he hasn't provided a single source but keeps repeating the same claims and tries to shift the burden of proof to me. This user needs to be kept in check. If you have more time tonight please get some admin eyes on that talk page. Best regards. ·ʍaunus·snunɐw· 01:54, 14 September 2011 (UTC)
 * No worries. For the record, it's not your prerogative to prove his material wrong to remove it, it's his to prove it right. At any rate it's nothing that can't be fixed with a little effort.--Cúchullain t/ c 14:25, 14 September 2011 (UTC)

Apollo Hoax in Popular Culture
An article that you have been involved in editing, Apollo hoax in popular culture, has been listed for deletion. If you are interested in the deletion discussion, please participate by adding your comments at Articles for deletion/Apollo hoax in popular culture (2nd nomination). Thank you. Senior Trend (talk) 05:08, 20 September 2011 (UTC)

Oneida FC
Hi Cuchullain,

First off, thanks so much for your diligence in helping the world maintain wikipedia. Without your efforts, much of the world's knowledge might be lost in shrouded and veiled mystery, such is the truths behind Lord Lanval from the Arthurian histories.

I just wanted to touch base with you regarding the Oneida FC page. I myself re-established the sports team earlier this year, in direct point to breath life back into the original Oneida Football Club of 1862; thus paying homage to the original "football" team in American sports history. Hence why my changes to it's year of foundation were made to reflect the 1862 date, and not the re-establishment date of March 17, 2011 (into its contemporary and modern corporate entity,) registered as Oneida FC, LLC.

Furthermore, I wished to ask you opinion on something. I am currently in the efforts to redesign the team's logo, both to reflect the historic origins of the original Oneida Football Club, and to represent the (more) contemporary sporting entity [that manages both a Rugby League Football team and an Associated Football (i.e. Soccer) team.] Thus far, I am leaning toward a more traditional heraldic logo that sports an Enfield & Ophinicus as the main shield's supporters. What are your thoughts on this? Additionally, I'm starting to become stuck on what design images to place in the centre of the shield's field itself. I'm tending toward partitioning the field into two quarters (on top) and a half (in the lower section). In the lower half I was thinking of 13 stars in a circle; which represents the thirteen original colonies in America, and was displayed in the original flag of America. Nonetheless, I am stumped as to what should be presented/displayed in the upper two quarters. If you've any thoughts at all, I'd be most gracious of your help. [You can reach me here, or via email on "s h a m m a s -at- b o s t o n 1 3 s -dot- c o m". [All letter together (obviously), but I just didn't want the chance of the email getting used by spam bots or whatnot.]

All my best and kind regards,

MNS — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mnshammas (talk • contribs) 02:06, 21 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the comment, Mnshammas. On the founding date, the problem is that your team is not really the same as the original Oneida Football Club. The historical team was a group of boys playing "football" on the Boston Common from 1862-1865. Your rugby league team didn't start playing until 146 years later. At any rate, if you want to use the 1862 date, you'll need to provide an independent reliable source (ie from outside your team and the league) that make that claim.
 * I also changed another part of your edit; the historical Oneida club wasn't the first organized sports team in the US, there were baseball and cricket teams before that, as well as clubs in other sports like rowing.
 * On your logo, I'd be happy to offer some input. I'm also happy to update the article with any sources you might have access to. Just let me know.--Cúchullain t/ c 15:27, 21 September 2011 (UTC)

Cuchullain, thanks so much for your response and informing me of the intricacies required to verify wiki content. In regard to the independent source and the links between the original and modes clubs, Rugby League World published an article in their October 2011 magazine (which is distributed globally) stating as much. I don't have a link to the article itself, but there is a copy of it on the Oneida FC Facebook page. Link: http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=177794262294626&set=a.148273511913368.37251.118069124933807&type=1&theater As for the other part of the edit, I completely understand, and sorry for that mistake. On the logo redesign, is there anything that you feel might graphically be relevant and/or pertinent to include? I currently have some designers working on new logos, and am looking to have some finalized designs submitted by the 25th. Thanks again for everything. -MNS- — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mnshammas (talk • contribs) 15:53, 21 September 2011 (UTC)
 * The resolution is too low on that image for me to read it. If you could email me a higher resolution version to me I'd be happy to look it over.
 * On your logo, I think the shield idea sounds good. Perhaps you could do something honoring the Oneida people for whom the club is named. Or something that evokes the history of sports in Boston.Cúchullain t/ c 16:05, 21 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Also, please be sure to sign your posts with four tildas ~ . This makes the conversation easier to follow.Cúchullain t/ c 16:05, 21 September 2011 (UTC)

Mnshammas (talk) 22:38, 21 September 2011 (UTC) Sorry, unsure if there's a means to email you through wiki? But I have the article in high resolution if you'd like a copy. How can I get this to you? As for logo, unfortunately it's become somewhat taboo to show anything relating to indigenous American in sports logos/identity. So, bit blocked there. But, as soon as the new logo is finalized, I'll be sure to show you it. Am gravitating toward a heraldic feel, sporting an Enfield - thus paying respect to the eagle (for America), lion (for England - and football's birthplace), fox (for the moxie nature of the team), greyhound (Irish heritage in Boston), and wolf (for the camaraderie needed to win in sports). Mnshammas (talk) 22:38, 21 September 2011 (UTC)

There's an "email this user" link under Toolbox to the left. It won't let you include the file, but go ahead and ping me and we'll go from there.
 * Your heraldic idea for the logo sounds pretty cool. Perhaps you could incorporate something specific to Boston on the field?Cúchullain t/ c 22:56, 21 September 2011 (UTC)

Articles for deletion/Tanisha Thomas (2nd nomination)
I was adding my 2 cents when you were closing the debate, so I added it in anyway. Bearian (talk) 19:30, 21 September 2011 (UTC)
 * No worries. Thanks for letting me know.--Cúchullain t/ c 19:31, 21 September 2011 (UTC)

Poll on ArbCom resolution - Ireland article names
There is a poll taking place here on whether or not to extend the ArbCom binding resolution, which says there may be no page move discussions for Ireland,Republic of Ireland or Ireland (disambiguation), for a further two years. Fmph (talk) 21:43, 22 September 2011 (UTC)

DYK for Seminole Tribe of Florida
Thanks for this new article Victuallers (talk) 12:03, 30 September 2011 (UTC)

I would disagree with your assertion that "Fort Caroline wasn't particularly close to Mayport, and it was actually in what's now Jacksonville, not just near it."

Fort Caroline was built closer to what is now the village of Mayport than it is to downtown Jacksonville. Since the consolidation of the city of Jacksonville with Duval County, one could could say that even the farthest reaches of the county are now "in" Jacksonville.--Carlstak (talk) 18:01, 3 October 2011 (UTC)Carlstak--Carlstak (talk) 18:01, 3 October 2011 (UTC)


 * One could indeed say that, and it would be true. Fort Caroline was within Jacksonville's current city limits, so it is accurate to say that it was "in what is now Jacksonville". As for Mayport, it's just not really relevant to Fort Caroline. Again, Mayport's not a town, and Fort Caroline wasn't located there anyway. There's no real need to mention it.--Cúchullain t/ c 18:18, 3 October 2011 (UTC)

Your revision to the Pedro Menéndez de Avilés article
Fort Caroline was built closer to the present location of the Village of Mayport than to that of downtown Jacksonville.

Since the consolidation of the city of Jacksonville with Duval County, one could say that even the farthest reaches of Duval County are "in" Jacksonville, but it seems clearer to distinguish between the Greater Metropolitan Area of Jacksonville and the actual city itself.

It seems to me that the word "established" or its permutations were overused in the lead paragraphs.

You seriously prefer "He was a penused by King Phillip II of Spain," to "He was appointed by King Philip II of Spain,"? What does "he was a penused" mean?--Carlstak (talk) 18:22, 3 October 2011 (UTC)Carlstak


 * As I just explained above, saying that "Fort Caroline was in what is now Jacksonville" is perfectly accurate, since it was certainly in the modern city's limits. In Jacksonville there's no distinction between the "farthest reaches" of Duval and the "actual city"; they're one and the same.
 * On the other wording, I went back and cleaned up a number of things, including the vandalism you mention.--Cúchullain t/ c 18:29, 3 October 2011 (UTC)

Syrian Malabar Nasrani
It's better to move the article to Saint Thomas Christians. I came to observe the article Syrian Malabar Nasrani while searching Nasrani in Wikipedia and later on I was surprised to see another article Saint Thomas Christians with some contradictory contents on comparing both. In India, both the terms Saint Thomas Christians and Nasranis are synonymous and as Cúchullain stated the term Syrian Malabar Nasrani is an artificially formed name. But I would like to clarify that in India, the term Nasrani is exclusively used for Syrian Christians of Kerala only, not for all Christians and it should be considered as an ethno-religious group. The confusion could be avoided using Disambiguation page. If it is moved as suggested, we could concentrate in improving a single article on Nasranis, including the ethnic aspects as suggested by Mr. Robin. --Ashleypt (talk) 10:00, 13 October 2011 (UTC)


 * I absolutely agree. I'll continue to comment over there.--Cúchullain t/ c 12:25, 13 October 2011 (UTC)

Support: The name Syrian Malabar Nasrani is vague, especially for a non-Malayalee. The word Syrian is misleading; the word Malabar is an anachronism and the word Nasrani is unfamiliar to many. Wikipedia articles are read by people all over the world. But the name Saint Thomas Christians (not St. Thomas Christians) is specific and more suitable for a worldwide publication. So, I support the merger. Neduvelilmathew (talk) 18:08, 13 October 2011 (UTC)


 * User: Thom100 has deleted the Merge Tag from both the source and target articles while the discussion was going on. His behavior is quite erratic and against the basic policies of Wikipedia. I think it would be better to refer the case for the Administrator's intervention. Your comment would be helpful in this regard. --Ashleypt (talk) 09:14, 21 October 2011 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

 * Well thank you so much! What a pleasant surprise.--Cúchullain t/ c 12:25, 14 October 2011 (UTC)

Unisonic article
Why was my Unisonic article removed? It was an article about a rock band called Unisonic.

04:24, 18 October 2011 (UTC)201.95.91.87 (talk)


 * You can read the deletion discussion at Articles for deletion/Unisonic (band). Basically, the sources were insufficient to establish notability. However, the band is still discussed at Michael Kiske, and as I said in closing the discussion, if more sources appear in the future (such as when they release their album), it can be recreated.--Cúchullain t/ c 12:35, 18 October 2011 (UTC)

Unblock?
Thanks for the quick response/action, guys. I'm confident this was just an admin error, which happen to the best of us.--Cúchullain t/ c 13:44, 28 October 2011 (UTC)


 * You're all right. this came about because of my misclick following on this. Apologies, and thanks for the fast action to clean up my blunder. Wtmitchell (talk) (earlier Boracay Bill) 13:50, 28 October 2011 (UTC)
 * No worries. Mistakes happen.--Cúchullain t/ c 13:51, 28 October 2011 (UTC)

Gŵy
Hi Cuchullain, Many thanks for your message. I'm from the Welsh Marches and we do use Gŵy, even as much as Gwy. Gŵy is very well used and documented although Gwy much more so as its easier to write without the accent. So, I do know I believe that 'Gŵy' is more than okay linguistically in Wales and you will see many examples if you google it. See: http://www.google.co.uk/#q=Gŵy&hl=en&safe=active&prmd=imvns&ei=eCSwTtGVHcLC8QPyka20AQ&start=10&sa=N&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.,cf.osb&fp=a110711d8550a676&biw=1208&bih=680 Is there any chance that I can retain what is correct in the Welsh language? Or is it that what you are advising me on is that we have to keep to 'English' only on the English wiki site? Kind regards Fferllys Fferllys (talk) 17:06, 1 November 2011 (UTC)


 * Well, yes, on the English Wikipedia we use whatever forms are common in English. However, if we're mentioning a non-English term (or if there's no well established English equivalent, as with Rhwng Gwy a Hafren), we use whatever is used in the language.
 * The real problem here is that "Gwy" is much more established than "Gŵy". This is the case both in Welsh works and in English works that use the Welsh. Gŵy returns fewer than 2000 Google hits, no relevant Google Books or Google News hits, and only 2 Google Scholar hits. In comparison Afon Gwy returns 72,000 Google hits plus hundreds of hits on Google Books, News and Scholar. And as I said, the Welsh version of Wikipedia uses "Gwy". "Gwy" is correct, much better established, and much more decipherable to our English-speaking audience.--Cúchullain t/ c 17:24, 1 November 2011 (UTC)

🇼🇸 [[samoa national football team|samoa]]
How can you edit the 🇼🇸 samoa link which should be like this Samoa national association football team not the redirect. Australia has is like that but not redirected Mr Hall of England (talk) 22:08, 1 November 2011 (UTC)

Rhwng Gwy a Hafren
Okay Cuchullain, having looked into how I came to follow the form I did, I will keep to Rhwng Gwy a Hafren - many thanks for taking me back to my linguistic root and editing as you have. I seem to have mixed up dŵr and gwy (the latter being a dipthong) in my mind as I wrote and never corrected myself! Thank you for rescuing me from the error of my ways. I'm stil bemused at how I managed to go so far off course!!! Fferllys (talk) 18:38, 2 November 2011 (UTC)


 * No problem! It's not a big deal at all. Happy editing,--Cúchullain t/ c 18:44, 2 November 2011 (UTC)

Cuimín of Kilcummin
Hi Cuchullain. As you may have guessed, my level of activity has dropped to an all-time low, as I simply don't have the time anymore to do proper content work, let alone mind all the peripheral business that tends to go with it, even in the relatively silent corners of WP. Some ghosts just won't disappear though. One Peter Cummings, whose edits have focused singly on Cuimín (Fada) of Kilcummin and showed some indignation when I edited the article, insists that we should identify the saint with the better known namesake, Cumméne Fota of Clonfert.

He appears to have been operating under several user accounts and IP addresses:
 * (a public address)
 * (a public address)
 * (a public address)
 * (a public address)
 * (a public address)

I'm afraid my words won't have any impact on anything he thinks or does and I don't want to breach 3RR, so could you keep an eye on the article? Regards, Cavila (talk) 12:40, 7 November 2011 (UTC)


 * It's good to see you around, even if it's only a bit. I'll certainly check out the article and keep an eye on it. Interesting that he's never edited Cummene Fota, even to suggest the identification.--Cúchullain t/ c 16:21, 7 November 2011 (UTC)

Moved from user page
cuimin fada and cuimin fota are the same people the only other cuimiin of that paricular age was the abbot of iona if cavila thinks different lets see some dates and references where this comes from,you can see evidence of this in the anals of the fourmasters and the annals of ulster.cavila does not know any dates of birth or died of cuiminGildaybee (talk) 21:06, 9 November 2011 (UTC) Moved by The Bushranger One ping only

Nova Southeastern University in Jacksonville
When I first saw that addition, I was all set to revert it until I checked and found out that they *do* have a campus here. And NSU is not some fly-by-night diploma mill or a for-profit degree school like University of Phoenix, Kaplan University, or ITT Tech; they are accredited, and according to the Carnegie Foundation for the Advancement of Teaching, they qualify as a research university with a high level of research. (link)  Horologium  (talk) 22:36, 20 November 2011 (UTC)


 * Nova Southeastern does have more traditional campuses where the research is done (there are four of them), but the Jacksonville location isn't one of them. It's one of several "off-campus location" they call a "student education center", which is just a computer room in an office building to facilitate distance learning. I don't think this is notable enough to include in the article on the city of Jacksonville. Perhaps it could go in the sub-article. At any rate, it would need another third-party source, because that book doesn't mention Nova.--Cúchullain t/ c  22:54, 20 November 2011 (UTC)


 * Book? The link I supplies was to the nova.edu site, not a book.  Horologium  (talk) 23:10, 20 November 2011 (UTC)


 * In the article, the sentence to which the Nova Southeastern link has been added is cited to a book, the Insider's Guide to Jacksonville, p. 187. The book doesn't mention Nova.--Cúchullain t/ c 23:14, 20 November 2011 (UTC)


 * Sorry for the late response--I was trying to prepare dinner and edit at the same time, which is never a good idea. I see your point about it being a "center" rather than a full campus, but since this center is apparently an entire dedicated building (judging by the photo on the Nova website), I think that we could go either way on this. (FWIW, distance learning is becoming more and more commonplace, even among internationally-known institutions; UF and FSU both have postgraduate programs available through distance learning [MBA from UF, and MLS from FSU; my husband was previously enrolled in the latter when we lived in Gainesville], so the distance learning stigma doesn't necessarily apply here.) As for the book reference, I'm not terribly fond of guidebooks as sources at all, and I'm sure that we can find something better, or find individual citations for each of the institutions listed in the section.  Horologium  (talk) 00:35, 21 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Oh, no worries about response time. I had actually stepped away myself.
 * I work in higher ed, so I know how prevalent distance learning is, including in legit institutions such as your husband's. But not every distance learning center is notable, at least not enough to be in the main article on a city. In this case, Nova doesn't own that building, and I'm pretty sure they don't even occupy all of it; like many office buildings the largest tenant can get the signage rights. I'd say that the actual campuses of Nova are notable to their cities, but this is more of a stretch. Even the pretty bloated "Business" section doesn't list every company in Jacksonville that has signage rights on a building.
 * And on the book, we may be able to find a better source. I believe I'm the one who added it, mostly as a way to include a source listing notable institutions, rather than having to synthesize the list myself. There aren't terribly many other sources that do that. Britannica does, though it doesn't give any further information about the institutions (and of course it leaves out all the for-profits and branch campuses).--Cúchullain t/ c 15:18, 21 November 2011 (UTC)

DYK for Laura Street Trio
PanydThe muffin is not subtle 16:01, 22 November 2011 (UTC)

Florida–Florida State notable games
Cooch, your input is solicited on the UF–FSU football rivalry talk page. Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 01:28, 30 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Sure, no problem.--Cúchullain t/ c 13:12, 30 November 2011 (UTC)

Briton/British
How certain are you of it being correct terminology, the Britons were a completely seperate race and ethnicity to the British, they existed over a thousand years before the British. it would be like calling Julius Caesar an Italian instead of a Roman.Sheodred (talk) 18:38, 7 December 2011 (UTC)


 * I'm sorry, but you're on that. "British" is a well-established adjective for the Celtic Britons. This is actually the original meaning of the term; according to the OED it dates back to Old English and remains in use today. The sense referring to the historical Britons is common in modern literature on the subject, for example in Christopher Snyder's The Britons, John T. Koch's Celtic Culture (which uses it to refer to both the historical Britons and in the modern UK sense) and Barry Cunliffe's Iron Age Communities in Britain.--Cúchullain t/ c 18:47, 7 December 2011 (UTC)
 * Ok thanks. Sheodred (talk) 18:49, 7 December 2011 (UTC)
 * Any time.--Cúchullain t/ c 18:55, 7 December 2011 (UTC)

Stan Pitt
Can you please create the temporary page so that I can undertake any necessary edits to the article. Dan arndt (talk) 07:43, 8 December 2011 (UTC)
 * At this point I've opened a report at WP:CP, so I'd rather that run its course with users more experienced than me in these types of things. As I said at WP:AN, I found six of your articles with similar problems in copying text or too-close paraphrasing. Could you respond over there?--Cúchullain t/ c 13:36, 8 December 2011 (UTC)
 * Have made corrections to Phil Belbin, Keith Chatto and Gerald Carr, which hopefully addresses your concerns. Am going to revert the article on Stan Pitt so that I can address any potential concerns with this article. Dan arndt (talk) 04:31, 13 December 2011 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the assistance in getting those articles vetted, sometimes I hit a mental block with re-phrasing, so it helps having another set of eyes run over it. Would appreciate it if you could check out Gerald Carr (cartoonist) as I am pretty certain that article is now cleared as well. Will, time permitting, work on the other articles. Dan arndt (talk) 01:42, 14 December 2011 (UTC)
 * I think I've done enough on the Stan Pitt article as well, let me know if you still think there are any outstanding issues.Dan arndt (talk) 03:35, 14 December 2011 (UTC)
 * Okay, Gerald Carr (cartoonist) looks good to go to me. I made a few changes to Stan Pitt, and it looks good too. Thanks again.--Cúchullain t/ c 18:22, 15 December 2011 (UTC)


 * Amazing what the spirit of co-operation is able to achieve. Next time you might want to raise any issues directly with an editor rather than making reports at WP:AN. In saying that I appreciate your help in getting the articles into way better shape that when I started. Hope you have a happy festive season... 02:27, 16 December 2011 (UTC)

DYK for 121 Atlantic Place
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DYK for Atlantic National Bank
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Patriarchs of the Syriac Orthodox Church
Hi Cuchullain,

Long time no see. Now that my book on the Nestorians is out of the way and selling in its tens of thousands (hardly), I am turning my energies to the Jacobites. I have just created a template, called Template: Patriarchs of the Syriac Orthodox Church, to help me write a series of articles on the Jacobite patriarchs. I ripped off the template of the COE patriarchs to do so, and I must have done something wrong (not being an adept of Wikipedia technology), as when I type the template name between to add it to a page, it doesn't appear properly. You'll find the template, which I edited 10 minutes ago, among my Wikipedia contributions of today.

I am sure that, as an experienced administrator, you could fix the problem within seconds with a wave of your magic wand, so can I trouble you to take a look at the template and see what's wrong with it. Perhaps you could then paste it into the article Dionysius Telmaharensis, and I'll take it from there. I am looking forward to adding the names of about 80 Jacobite patriarchs over the next few days.

Cheers,

Djwilms (talk) 09:04, 12 December 2011 (UTC)


 * It has been a while, congratulations on your book! I'll have to check it out. Yes, I'll take a look at the template and see what's up with it. If I can't take care of it I'll get it to someone who can.--Cúchullain t/ c 13:34, 12 December 2011 (UTC)


 * I couldn't figure it out either, so I left a note at Village pump here. Cheers,--Cúchullain t/ c 14:15, 12 December 2011 (UTC)


 * All right, it looks like it's been fixed by the wonderful Gadget850. Have fun with it.--Cúchullain t/ c 14:35, 12 December 2011 (UTC)


 * Thanks a lot! Writing bios of the patriarchs of the Syriac Orthodox Church will keep me busy for the next three years.  You can read about the book here (http://www.eastandwestpublishing.com/titles/the-martyred-church/), if you are interested.


 * Djwilms (talk) 01:57, 13 December 2011 (UTC)


 * Awesome, I can't wait to check it out!--Cúchullain t/ c 18:01, 15 December 2011 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

 * Why thank you! What a nice surprise. We've got a ways to go, but it all starts with a single step in the right direction.--Cúchullain t/ c 18:03, 15 December 2011 (UTC)

Moving pages
If you have a moment, would you pop over to my talk page and point me to the appropriate article containing instructions on how to properly move an article? Thank you.JohnChrysostom (talk) 01:35, 18 December 2011 (UTC)


 * Thank you. I had to open up Opera and Chrome to see how to move a page, as I didn't realize NoScript was blocking the arrow next to the search box. No wonder it was stumping me. JohnChrysostom (talk) 23:34, 18 December 2011 (UTC)

3rd party sources
would www.rleague.com be a third party source? or does it have to come from something such as a local newspaper. what about www.wearerugby.com as Atlanta Legion will be joining the AMNRL.Youndbuckerz (talk) 07:56, 20 December 2011 (UTC)


 * Unless it's somehow affiliated with the leagues, rleague.com would be a third party source. There's also the question of reliability, however. What makes it a reliable source by Wikipedia's standards? If I recall correctly wearerugby.com is owned by the same company that owns or is affiliated with the AMNRL (or something to that effect). That would not be a third-party source, but if it's reliable, it could still be used to supplement third-party sources if there are any.
 * As usual, it is better to wait on creating these articles until we have enough sources giving real information about them, and it's clear they will actually be doing something. I'm sure you recall the Delaware Vipers. Though the league talked them up a lot at first, it turned out they were basically a cobbled-together team that wasn't even from Delaware, and they missed a bunch of their games. All the sources I ever saw that mentioned them only talked about how little was known about them, and how shaky their organization was. There's nothing notable about that.--Cúchullain t/ c 14:30, 20 December 2011 (UTC)

As far as I know the Delaware Vipers were basically making up the numbers for the AMNRL and some of the players were part of the Aston Bulls. The AMNRL know not to make the same mistake again as it makes them look unprofessional. To my knowledge the AMNRL (Niu and co.) are trying to be one step ahead of the USARL as they do not want to let the other group take over as governing body and is doing his best to keep the job as Tomahawks coach. My uncle was involved with one of the western expansion clubs last year and is in constant contact with both groups. The Atlanta Legion is legit - close to securing a deal to play at Silverbacks Park and the coach will be spending time with the Brisbane Broncos - the AMNRL have appointed a football development manager so will be closely linked to the QLD Cup (basically a 2nd tier pro comp) and will see player trades. They also have 2 players apparently expressed interest Salesi Tongamoa and USA rugby union international Phil Thiel so I'm guessing it would be safe to create a page for them.. no third party sources yet.. We Are Rugby says the coach will be spending time at the Broncos and will have a player share system with the Redcliffe Dolphins which is basically one level below the NRL.. like I have mentioned earlier it would be hard for any RL news in the US to be mentioned unless they achieved some success ie. Rhode Island Rebellion and there youth programs. Even though some clubs exist - Bucks County Sharks, NY Raiders, NJ Turnpike Titans, DC Slayers.. it would be hard for them to get a mention in third party sources because the sport is only minor in America.. just one of the stumbling blocks into creating wiki pages for teams in the US. Hope that gives an idea and how I can contribute. Youndbuckerz (talk) 11:55, 21 December 2011 (UTC)
 * Better idea.. I can just put on the top the message that says- this page needs more reliable sources? At least that way I can have the page started while adding to it later on when more info is released?Youndbuckerz (talk) 12:06, 21 December 2011 (UTC)
 * Once again, if there are no third-party sources, we should not have an article on a subject. End of story. You can add whatever information is currently available to the existing AMNRL and USARL pages (so long as it's sourced) and in the meantime you can start work on a page in your user space (at User:Youndbuckerz/Atlanta or something like that. But verifiability is not negotiable.--Cúchullain t/ c 13:17, 21 December 2011 (UTC)

Let's work this out
Djathink imacowboy  21:38, 20 December 2011 (UTC)


 * Djathink imacowboy  22:20, 20 December 2011 (UTC)


 * Djathink, you don't need to keep placing these tags on my talk page. I have the article on my watch list.--Cúchullain t/ c 22:29, 20 December 2011 (UTC)

Notice
Djathink imacowboy  23:06, 20 December 2011 (UTC)
 * Oops, apologies. You may delete them all. Djathink  imacowboy  23:07, 20 December 2011 (UTC)

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Photo requests
Hi, Bill! Do you do photo requests? If so, I have something in Jacksonville that I would like to have photographed. It is the corporate headquarters of Winn-Dixie Thanks WhisperToMe (talk) 22:01, 24 December 2011 (UTC)
 * 5050 Edgewood Court, Jacksonville, FL 32254 - See map


 * Well, I haven't done them before, but I'll certainly try to get out there and take a picture. I'll let you know when I can get over there.--Cúchullain t/ c 00:01, 28 December 2011 (UTC)

Middle Ages
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DYK for North Florida Ospreys men's basketball
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