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AHBL / Brian Bruns
Hi DCB4W. I made some edits and comments on these two articles and some articles related to it. Can you look at Bruns behavior, I don't think it is proper that he removed cited information, edits his article, and makes accusations revealing personal identities. And can you take a look at my edits to made sure they are ok or if I did anything wrong. --Chakabuh 01:28, 1 June 2006 (UTC)

"De"'s da Thing
I understand where your coming from in omitting the possessive/attributive "de." I.e. the example given of Lafayette and Tocqueville. But keep in mind that both Lafayette and Tocqueville are as much "theirs" as "ours," and so it's permissible that "we" drop the "de," also there might be an element of yankee egalitarianism in the stylistics of referring to them sans the "de." Nevertheless, in the case of Gilles de Rais, Dominique de Villepin, Brian de Palma, or Oscar de la Joya, the article is never omitted. 'See how De Villepin is referred to by the BBC [] or in the NYT [] (articles selected at random). I also understand how it can be confusing seeing De Sade referred to as Sade tout court half the time, but then again more than half the links to him are to Sadomasochist sites, can't expect them to know any better. Also I must admit the Encyclopedia Britannica online refers to the Baron as simply Rais, but then again Britannica 'tis but children's toy. George Bernard Shaw in his introduction to his play Joan of Arc refers to De Rais et al. as well " De Rais, La Hire and the rest" []. A good rule of thumb is: it's licit to omit the article when dealing with French, Italian, Spanish, etc..., writers, but usually not in the case of the subject of someone elses's writing. Google scholar gives the following examples of "De Rais" & "De Sade":

E LEYTON - Criminology - ucs.mun.ca ... Century: the French Baron Gilles de Rais, one of the wealthiest men in. ... of these cases and it is not clear, for example, if de Rais' confession -. ...

F Ferguson - Representations, 1991 - JSTOR ... partners. De Sade makes his heroes uniquely self-centred

K Acker - The Review of Contemporary Fiction, 1999 - questia.com ... written and subsequently became literary history," "the black tradition," "the tradition of political writing as opposed to propaganda" (de Sade would head ...

Google scholar gives 0 examples of "Rais" or even "Sade." It seems that De Rais is simply de rigeur.

Marsiliano

Ah, but you oppose the "de" on the grounds that it is illogical, since according to you it simply means "the," and thus to say "the de Rais" (a contorted and improbable phrase to begin with) would be redundant, so the same would need apply to the Spanish and the Italian, but of course it doesn't. You have to understand that we're dealing with what's customary, it is NOT customary in academic papers to refer to "Sade" tout court but rather to "de Sade," however it IS de riguer to speak of "Cervantes" and hence it would be seen as bizarre, if not outright wrong, to say "de Cervantes" or "de Cervantes Saavedra." De Rais, as you point out, should (I think for aesthetic reasons) be written "de Rais" when not begining a sentence. Google scholar, George Bernard Shaw, the example of "de Sade," provide ample enough precedence and justification for having "D/de Rais" be the house style.

P.S. It's irrelevant to look at French articles, were not dealing with issues of "French on French" so to say, but of "French on English." Hence my EXCLUSIVE focus on English articles. Marsiliano etc, etc

A faux pas, I admit. The supposed redundancy would be in the case "of de Rais." Custom demands that we write "Cervantes" and not "de Cervantes," likewise "de Sade" and not "Sade," following this pattern and Shaw's good example and sound style it is best to refer to the Baron as "de Rais." I never suggested French names should be translated into English (although I believe this is the practice in the case of certain Anglo-French kings, e.g. Richard Coeur de Leon), I simply stated that one should look to scholars and authors writing in English for examples and precedents, even in the case of foreign names: obvious example Livy versus Livius. I frankly don't care about the onomastic permutations of Lafayette, it is best to follow the custom of the land and the time. In the case of the Marquis de Lafayette there can be little controversy, he signed his name "Lafayette" [], it has become the norm in America, to do otherwise, as you seemingly suggest, is to court ridicule. Your limited understanding of French onomastics is not surprising, considering its relative complexity vis-a-vis the extreme simplicity of the American naming system (a result of Ellis Island?). Not only have you not demonstrated that my method is wrong (at most you've made an either/or case), but you clearly fail to sense that Rais tout court can be grating to the sensibilities of other, non-American, anglophones. "Fayette" is balanced by the qualifying "La," "Tocqueville" has a consonantal evenness, but "Rais" is left utterly denuded without its attendant "de." Polyglotism makes the tin ear golden. Take heed young man, do like your colonial fathers and learn French.

Marsilianus

After careful inspection I've determined the "de Rais" article requires major revision. If this farrago of run on sentences is not quickly corrected Wikipedia is again liable to attract the derision of the New Yorker []. À bientôt. Marsiliano

Question from a sockpuppet
Pray tell why isn't de Gaulle called Gaulle by you Americans tout court? --72.195.145.248 03:16, 20 September 2006 (UTC)


 * Gaulle isn't a place name and the de isn't a particle. Read the Charles de Gaulle article. DCB4W 03:42, 20 September 2006 (UTC)

And Chrétien de Troyes? No–sane–person calls him simply Troyes (You can't possibly argue otherwise). --72.195.145.248 08:57, 21 September 2006 (UTC)


 * No, sane people know that he's called "Chrétien de Troyes" because his name was Chrétien and he was from Troyes, and that "[de] Troyes" was neither actually his surname nor part of his title. Nobody knows what his surname was, and even the part about being from Troyes is something of an educated guess. Admit it, this is an elaborate joke, right? You're not serious, surely? DCB4W 00:40, 22 September 2006 (UTC)

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Just created this article, Battle of Ghazni during the First Anglo-Afghan War. I was wondering if you could fix up anything which is incorrect or add to this battle or link this battle to other articles so that it generates traffic. Thankyou. Mercenary2k 02:55, 8 December 2006 (UTC)

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Hi there - I just thought I'd pop by and let you know that I'm about done "fighting the good fight" to have some sort of sensible policy being adopted that acknowledges that flexibility should exist on Wikipedia while simultaneously encouraging great writing and limited fancruft.

I tried, I failed, what more can really be said?

I've noted that my draft proposal is now marked as a historical relic, and I've left comments on the talk page. Good luck with your efforts. I'm sure you may see me sporadically posting, fixing up fictional pages that on subjects I enjoy and more often on the science pages that got me into Wikipedia in the first place.

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 * I spoke too soon - I cracked and tried to have one more go. I've decided rather than fighting all my battles at once, to give up on the "in-universe perspective" argument, and just try to make the page just a little bit better by adding some Key Principles - i.e. make it not just about the perspective.
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Thanks for your supportive comment. This point has been raised a few times in the discussion, by at least one other person besides me, and in my opinion has not been addressed; the discussions veered off into the logically different point of whether apparently true but unsourced material should be included. I feel it needs more thorough discussion and better treatment in the FAQ as well as the wording change I propose. I really appreciate your reply -- I was feeling ignored for a while there!

You may also be interested in my comments on the covered bridge example in Wikipedia talk:Attribution/FAQ --Coppertwig 19:57, 4 March 2007 (UTC)

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I had another go at a compromise on the succession box thing. I can go into explanations with you later. My wife is calling me right now.--Dr who1975 01:34, 18 April 2007 (UTC)

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Category:All-America City
I seem to recall something odd about that. It was taken from the category of articles that had the listify tag and were suppose to be OK to listify and delete. I think someone pointed out that some items were tagged without having a discussion. So if this was the case, it would be a deletion that was out of process. A list was created so nothing has been lost. The list includes more data then is available in the category. Since it was out of process, if my guess here is right, then it could be recreated. However if nominated I suspect that the result would be to listify. Hope this helps, but it was a long time ago. Vegaswikian 02:42, 17 August 2007 (UTC)

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Historical basis for King Arthur
I've reverted this because Goodrich is a dreadful source. I'm off for the day shortly, but I would be happy to give you chapter and verse about this tomorrow if you would like to discuss it. Thanks. dougweller (talk) 06:33, 28 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Hello Doug. I noticed your revert and noticed the reference was used for the statement "Archaeological studies show that during Arthur's alleged lifetime, the Anglo-Saxon expansions do seem to have been halted for a whole generation.". I think i've read things like this in more than a few books, though. Can you quote something that says this just isn't the case - that the statement just isn't true?--Celtus (talk) 06:59, 28 November 2008 (UTC)
 * I changed it back because I do have a source supporting that claim. I think we need to reach a consensus that the source isn't reliable before dismissing it though; it was published as a nonfiction book by a normal publisher, not a vanity press. Goodrich might be as unerliable as Holy Blood, Holy Grail, but I don't know that, and I think that's a claim that would need to be proven. I started a thread on the article's talk page to discuss that. DCB4W (talk) 15:42, 28 November 2008 (UTC)

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"I highly doubt that the *winner* would have to pay the attorneys' fees of the *loser*. Is there a source for that interpretation of the agreement?" "GSL section 11.4 'Licensee will be responsible for all legal costs, including Wizards’ attorneys’ fees, associated with any action required by Wizards to enforce the terms of this License.'"
 * Does the GSL itself count? shadzar-talk 04:56, 1 December 2008 (UTC)
 * The thing is when you sign the SOA for the GSL you explicitly give WotC the right to ask for any help with court cases, including any fees they request no matter what. So if WotC wins or loses, they can still uphold that section of the GSL where you agreed to pay any costs they request as signing the statement of acceptance. So by using the GSL you give up some rights as per described in the GSL and must abide by it. It would be for the courts to decide if this contract and license in binding, but as for what the GSL states, yes, WotC can have anyone pay its court/attorney fees. Also you cannot take WotC to court as per the GSL, so if WotC takes someone using the GSL to court, adn the court does not rule the GSL as non-binding, or the clause above as dismissed, then WotC can lose the case and require, under the GSL, for the winner to pay WotC fees. That is one of the things that are controversial for some about the GSL. But an expert in legal matter might be needed to work it out outside of FAQs and such that have been written detailing the GSL, that are not "reliable secondary sources" to satisfy wikipedia guidelines for inclusion, so there really isn't anyway to support the statement either way, until some lawyer does blog about it or soemthing to have a "reliable secondary source" for the statement. So, I guess it is really moot, but an interesting thing to discuss and decipher. Feel free to point out things like this on its talk page so that editor can make sure to have proper sources for statements of that kind in the future to help keep this article about a license factual and not just guesswork. the D&D wikiproject always welcomes outside opinions about the articles and can always use fresh pairs of eyes to catch minor mistakes that create factual inaccuracies. shadzar-talk 04:34, 2 December 2008 (UTC)

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My understanding is that you introduced the reference to WP:UNDUE into WP:WAF back in with this edit. This principal is currently under discussion at WT:WAF and I would be grateful for your comments about its introduction. --Gavin Collins (talk|contribs) 11:04, 7 May 2009 (UTC)

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I am sorry but I do not understand this citation, "Op. Cit. at III, VII" what does it mean? -- PBS (talk) 14:00, 11 September 2009 (UTC)


 * Thanks for the explanation. Please see Footnotes, the trouble is "at III, VII" does not say what it is it is referring to. Before I filled it out a bit, the previous citations only said [1] (see User talk:Kc10buckeye). As the "previous citation" may become another citation at any time, either through the one before one being deleted, or an additional one being added betwixt the two, "at" needs to be replaced with some sort of tag as described in the link you gave me (Op. cit.) or better still a "short note" as described in WP:CITE. Could you please make such an adjustment? -- PBS (talk) 17:50, 13 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Thanks much clearer. -- PBS (talk) 08:10, 15 September 2009 (UTC)

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