User talk:DTMGO

I like Wikipedia! The most important policy: neutral point of view. Reread it often. --DTMGO (talk) 00:11, 26 June 2009 (UTC)

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Please be aware of more stringent rules

 * Repeating, this is just a note, not a warning, and I'm not saying anything is wrong with your edits. As climate change is a controversial editing area, editors are expected to behave to higher standards than on other topics. Femke (talk) 17:46, 10 January 2022 (UTC)

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Forum shopping about Holocaust denial as pseudoscience
I see that you have forumshopped the topic to several articles. We need to limit it to one place. Right now I have commented at Talk:Pseudoscience. That's the mother article and a good place, so please keep all discussion there. Stop discussing elsewhere. -- Valjean (talk) (PING me) 02:27, 12 February 2023 (UTC)


 * No, there are only two articles about the topic, 1) Pseudoscience and 2) List of topics characterized as pseudoscience. We can discuss there. DTMGO (talk) 08:47, 12 February 2023 (UTC)
 * You're right. It's just those two. -- Valjean (talk) (PING me) 17:05, 12 February 2023 (UTC)
 * Thank you. DTMGO (talk) 17:49, 12 February 2023 (UTC)

Potential entries
"If I go looking for info, and Wikipedia doesn't have it, then Wikipedia has failed." — Baseball Bugs

According to your userpage ("Wow, there is no entry for Power Asymmetry or Indigenous Genocide Denialism), you have discovered a couple failures. Go for it! -- Valjean (talk) (PING me) 00:13, 13 February 2023 (UTC)


 * Thank you, I will if I have time. DTMGO (talk) 09:41, 13 February 2023 (UTC)

March 2023
Plot descriptions cannot be copied from other sources, including official sources and IMDb, unless these can be verified to be public domain or licensed compatibly with Wikipedia. They must be written in original language to comply with Wikipedia's copyright policy. on The Untold History of the United States. — Diannaa (talk) 20:49, 1 March 2023 (UTC)


 * I did use the same text, and cited IMDB as a reference. DTMGO (talk) 21:19, 1 March 2023 (UTC)
 * It doesn't matter whether you cite the source or not; copying from your sources is not okay. It's a violation of our copyrght policy to do so. — Diannaa (talk) 23:18, 1 March 2023 (UTC)
 * DTMGO, I assume this is about the now-deleted edit at The Untold History of the United States. Fair use covers limited quoting (which, depending on the circumstances, can be anything from a single sentence to whole pages), but we generally frown on using IMDB as a source. Try to find your sources elsewhere and then try to use your own words, except for where an exact quote is called for. -- Valjean (talk) (PING me) 23:29, 1 March 2023 (UTC)

Scientific racism
I noticed you commented previously on the Scientific racism page and so I was hoping you might look at a change I've proposed, and on the feedback I'm getting from other editors. I'm proposing to add an entry on Thomas Malthus. You can see my proposed text in my sandbox, and feedback from other editors on Talk:Scientific racism. It's a bit noisy, maybe clearer towards the end.

A general concern I have about the Scientific racism page is that it expends a lot of space on decontextualized racist quotes from 17th and 18th century individuals that while deeply offensive had questionable impact, as their racism was casual and incoherent, representing immature science and ordinary beliefs in their era. Meanwhile the page totally ignores individuals like Malthus, Spencer, Shockley and Terman whose racism is overt and strategic, and who were major figures in Social Darwinism and Eugenics, recognized precursors to fascism and genocide. JBradleyChen (talk) 04:34, 13 May 2023 (UTC)


 * @JBradleyChen  I am no expert on this topic.  Can only give general layman comments.
 * Yes Malthus´ influence on others is undeniable as you have RS about this, but Malthus himself you have to prove that there is broad consensus that he practiced scientific racism. His theory was untestable and unfalsifiable, therefore useless and baseless.  Today it has not held up to reality.  He argued for dangerous population controls, specially when the powerful have different ethnicity than the powerless, it can turn into genocide, and it did.  It may have been a wrong idea, and in the hands of the wrong people, it turned lethal.  Churchill blamed the Bengal famine on Indians as they had too many children.... ridiculous.
 * It seems like Malthus thought population should be controlled artificially, and he is classist saying that it must be controlled at the end of the poor (which would then happen to be non-whites during colonization) but it could also be poor British people.  If you can find RS about this racism, and then support this content.  Being an encyclopedia, it has to be a broad consensus, of expert opinion.  Or at least a significant POV of an important sector, such as a government, NGOs, scholars, or some public figure.
 * It is hard to demonstrate intent, and hard to prove that something is systematic, but the British intellectuals worked to support imperialism, colonialism, classism and slavery.  Many rubbed shoulders in the Royal Society.  Chomsky writes a lot about this kind of thing for example, in his essay The Responsibility of Intellectuals.
 * I think there is quite an opportunity to add Alfred Russel Wallace and others to the list of scientific racists. That would bring the number of discoverers of natural selection to being racist to 2 out of 2.   DTMGO (talk) 12:07, 17 May 2023 (UTC)

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Blocked for sockpuppetry

 * I request unblock for the following reasons:
 * My area of interest is a highly controversial subject, that is genocide of indigenous peoples, which involves many nations and many territories throughout history up to the recent present.
 * I have used two accounts to avoid attracting attention, that is for privacy concerns.
 * I do not believe that I have practiced any or most of the inappropriate uses of alternative accounts, as I have strived to segregate the participation to separate topics for each account.
 * I have brought balance, and new content from the point of view of indigenous peoples on a number of subjects, in a number of articles. This problem has been identified in articles such as this>
 * https://slate.com/technology/2023/02/wikipedia-native-american-history-settler-colonialism.html
 * My content is heavily referenced with RS supporting directly the topic at hand, and I have engaged in good faith with any scrutiny and editorial revisions.
 * DTMGO


 * I'm afraid the overlap casts doubt on your using two accounts for privacy concerns and on separation. To request unblocking, you should first read the WP:GAB, and then follow the instructions in the block notice. Thanks&#45;- Deepfriedokra (talk) 15:01, 6 April 2024 (UTC)
 * @Deepfriedokra I understand now... what if moving forward I just use one account, and the other one is not used/deleted/blocked ?  DTMGO (talk) 18:20, 8 April 2024 (UTC)


 * that this block was unnecessarily disruptive, especially given the recent research about this kind of erasure. (I say this not to attack personally, but rather to point to wider systemic bias on Wikipedia.) &emsp;&mdash;&hairsp; Freoh 15:17, 26 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Just to be absolutely clear, the block was for abuse of multiple accounts, not for expressing any particular viewpoint. I hope you are not suggesting that they should be given a pass because of their area of interest. – bradv  14:32, 27 May 2024 (UTC)


 * Note how no one does address your reference "Wikipedia’s Indian Problem: Settler Colonial Erasure of Native American Knowledge and History on the World’s Largest Encyclopedia"...

DTMGO (talk) 21:03, 28 May 2024 (UTC)