User talk:Dank/Archive 53

bluebuck
Thank you for scheduling it for 17 Nov (and the rest of the month)! I am surprised that it still appears in WP:TFAR but hesitate to simply remove it. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:12, 2 November 2016 (UTC)
 * I think I mentioned that! I said I was penciling it in, but I like to leave any vote up for 7 days before I remove it. It hasn't been 7 days yet (but almost). - Dank (push to talk) 21:14, 2 November 2016 (UTC)
 * Btw, it's likely that changes are coming to TFAR, and that there will be new jobs soon that will be important, gnomish, and most important, fun. Stay tuned. - Dank (push to talk) 21:26, 2 November 2016 (UTC)
 * I remember the penciling now, thanks. - I will do what I can - as I have done from 2012 when it was chaotic, including one scheduling ;) - [redacted] --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:39, 2 November 2016 (UTC)
 * I apologize, Gerda, but I'm not comfortable with my userpage being used for advertising for any faction of anything. I have removed that part of the comment. - Dank (push to talk) 21:44, 2 November 2016 (UTC)
 * I apologize, only wanted to explain that I don't feel wanted for FA jobs, but do what I can anyway because I think it's for the readers. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:58, 2 November 2016 (UTC)

FAC reviewing barnstar

 * Ooh! Shiny. - Dank (push to talk) 11:30, 4 November 2016 (UTC)

thank you
As always, thank you for the masses of good work you do here. Specifically, thanks for the ping re Warlugulong heading for TFA. I have had a run over it, and found an embarrassing mistake, where I had linked a cite (and an archive url) for the wrong webpage. Now fixed. Very grateful! hamiltonstone (talk) 11:33, 4 November 2016 (UTC)
 * Happy to help! Any problems in the TFA text? - Dank (push to talk) 11:35, 4 November 2016 (UTC)
 * No, it all looks good. Such a shame we don't have free use images of contemporary Australian paintings to illustrate at TFA, but that's life. hamiltonstone (talk) 11:07, 6 November 2016 (UTC)

Miller in 1948
I'm having a look at the article now. It's basically OK, but I don't particularly like it. I've avoided these 1948 articles as even I find them tedious! But I'll give it a little tidy up. I've already tightened the lead a little, but I don't think it will impact on the blurb much. The only thing from the blurb I'm not sure about is "He and Ray Lindwall are still regarded as one of the best duos of opening fast bowlers ever." Not sure of the solution yet! Sarastro1 (talk) 21:31, 4 November 2016 (UTC)
 * I found it tedious too. OTOH, it's easier to subtract unimportant stuff from a FA than to write a new FA and get it promoted, and FAC is only promoting about 60% of the articles TFA needs (averaged over this year). There's nothing wrong with that ... but it does mean we have to tidy things up sometimes. I like to use anniversaries when possible, and the Keith Miller articles are the only FAs I've got with an anniversary on November 28. If we could assemble a team at WT:CRICKET to look at some of the older cricket FAs, that would be awesome. - Dank (push to talk) 21:52, 4 November 2016 (UTC)
 * P.S. I'll pull the offending sentence. - Dank (push to talk) 21:58, 4 November 2016 (UTC)
 * Cheers! The main problem at WT:CRIC is that most of those who wrote the long list of cricket FAs are long departed. AFAIK, apart from Dweller and The Rambling Man, there's no one active on there who has worked regularly at FAC and neither of those two really write cricket stuff any more. (I might be overlooking someone, and I apologise if I have) If you put in an appeal there, it is likely to receive a stony silence. FWIW, apart from the 1948 articles (which are just too similar to read and retain your sanity), the FAs by YellowMonkey were polished a year or two ago and are pretty much up to scratch. Sarastro1 (talk) 22:08, 4 November 2016 (UTC)
 * Great to know! Pinging Dweller ... we're talking about Keith Miller with the Australian cricket team in England in 1948. Can it be salvaged with some hefty trimming, or should I pull it and find something else? - Dank (push to talk) 22:43, 4 November 2016 (UTC)
 * A cricket pedant writes... It really should be the new ball, as "each new ball" or "every new ball" does not quite sound right in cricket-speak. It's not exactly wrong, but it might draw some of the cricketing fundamentalists out of the woodwork. But it's not exactly terrible, so it's your call which looks better.
 * Done, thanks. - Dank (push to talk)
 * If Dweller does pop in, I'm trimming quite a bit but I wonder how much detail we need on tour matches. It's worth taking to the article talk if you are around. If not, I'll keep hacking. Sarastro1 (talk) 22:54, 4 November 2016 (UTC)
 * Thanks! - Dank (push to talk) 23:34, 4 November 2016 (UTC)

Hello. Slow on the uptake here... salvaged from what? --Dweller (talk) Become old fashioned! 07:58, 7 November 2016 (UTC)
 * Sarastro is working on Keith Miller with the Australian cricket team in England in 1948, it's the TFA for Nov 28. At first glance, we both thought it was a little tedious ... you're welcome to take a look if you like. - Dank (push to talk) 12:45, 7 November 2016 (UTC)
 * I've finished chopping now, and have reduced the word count quite a bit. There's a few parts that are perhaps less elegant than would be ideal, but I think it's OK to be TFA. I might keep picking at it over the next few days, but unless anyone else spots any clangers, I think it should be good to go. I might see if anyone else can take a look as well from a cricket viewpoint. Sarastro1 (talk) 23:02, 8 November 2016 (UTC)

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Counting
Hi, some time ago I remember asking you how you counted the length of a TFA blurb since the way I tried gave a different figure. You responded, but I've since forgotten. Now that it might matter, could you me kind enough to remind me again? Thanks, Jimfbleak - talk to me?  06:52, 23 November 2016 (UTC)
 * Sure, happy to help. Copy and paste from just after the image to just before the TFAFULL template, into any character counter. - Dank (push to talk) 12:33, 23 November 2016 (UTC)
 * OK, that's clear, thank you. Jimfbleak - talk to me?  15:23, 23 November 2016 (UTC)

Ernie Toshack TFA
I notice we give bowling figures of 11/31 in the blurb. My (far from perfect) memory doesn't suggest that we usually do bowling figures in cricket TFA blurbs so this has never arisen. A cricket fan will know immediately what 11/31 means, but the general reader undoubtedly will not and will undoubtedly grumble. The full version of this would be "11 wickets for 31 runs", and cricket articles usually spell this out in full on first mention. If we have the space for it, this might be worth doing. Sarastro1 (talk) 23:20, 23 November 2016 (UTC)
 * Makes sense, thanks, and thanks for the other edits too. - Dank (push to talk) 23:21, 23 November 2016 (UTC)

Keith Miller TFA
Re Today's featured article/November 28, 2016, I wonder if there's a way or two of avoiding a massive bold blue link at the start here (I don't remember seeing a longer bold blue link at TFA!)
 * Today's featured article/March 25, 2014 is an example of another article in the series at TFA
 * Moving his dates to the second sentence is another way: "... undefeated in a 34-match tour of England in 1948. Miller (28 November 1919 – 11 October 2004) was an all-rounder: a fast bowler..."

HTH. BencherliteTalk 00:51, 24 November 2016 (UTC)
 * Very snappy ... I like it. - Dank (push to talk) 02:03, 24 November 2016 (UTC)
 * Great. Just occasionally I can find a way of avoiding re-inventing the wheel... BencherliteTalk 08:55, 24 November 2016 (UTC)

Hawaii and the American Civil War
Hello, I want to bring Hawaii and the American Civil War up to scale and eventually to FAC. It is absolutely nowhere near that yet. Do you have any suggestions for further expansion? I'm not as familiar with writing non-biographical information.--KAVEBEAR (talk) 01:35, 24 November 2016 (UTC)
 * I posted a notice at WT:MIL. I'll keep an eye out for it at our A-class nominations page. - Dank (push to talk) 02:47, 24 November 2016 (UTC)

Kanaina birth month
The note explains what is in the actual source in relation to his Mahele genealogy but, the same source uses the month and day of abt May 4th. We cannot add brackets, quotation marks or a question mark unless it is used in the actual source. In the case with Kamehameha I the source(s) used the question mark and therefore was added to the dating.--Mark Miller (talk) 00:37, 27 November 2016 (UTC)

I have changed the notes to better reflect the source.--Mark Miller (talk) 00:54, 27 November 2016 (UTC)
 * Thanks. - Dank (push to talk) 01:29, 27 November 2016 (UTC)
 * I should also change the text to better reflect the other date claims as they are notable.--Mark Miller (talk) 02:10, 27 November 2016 (UTC)

Ike Altgens TFAR
For clarity: is a support, and should I move it to the non-specific section? TIA. — ATS &#128406;  talk  03:17, 27 November 2016 (UTC)
 * Chris makes the scheduling decisions for December, he'll see it and make the call. - Dank (push to talk) 03:21, 27 November 2016 (UTC)

Tomorrow's featured article
With the crash of LaMia Airlines Flight 2933 making headlines around the world, tomorrow's appearance of Scotland national football team as TFA is likely to be mistakenly perceived by some as deliberate and distasteful. I realize that it's been scheduled for the 144th anniversary of the 1872 Scotland vs England football match, but postponement might be prudent. —David Levy 20:46, 29 November 2016 (UTC)
 * Pinging Chris, Mike Christie and Jimfbleak. Thoughts? - Dank (push to talk) 20:49, 29 November 2016 (UTC)
 * Link is Today's featured article/November 30, 2016. - Dank (push to talk) 20:53, 29 November 2016 (UTC)
 * (Uninvited, but weighing in anyway since time is short) FWIW, I don't see a real potential for offence here, given that one is a Brazilian club side and the other is a national team from a different continent. Once we start saying that accidents or disasters preclude tangentially related TFAs appearing, we are on a slippery slope (although had the article been about, say, the Munich air crash then it might be different). In addition, 30th November is St Andrew's Day, Scotland's patron saint, and so there's a double reason to feature it. BencherliteTalk 21:17, 29 November 2016 (UTC)
 * Consider yourself permanently invited! - Dank (push to talk) 21:19, 29 November 2016 (UTC)
 * Just to make the point crystal clear, I added "on St. Andrew's Day (Scotland's National Day), 30 November 1872". - Dank (push to talk) 21:24, 29 November 2016 (UTC)
 * Good idea. Incidentally, I have tweaked lead, article and blurb to update for the most recent match between England and Scotland: 2018 FIFA World Cup qualification – UEFA Group F BencherliteTalk 21:43, 29 November 2016 (UTC)
 * That seems helpful (and certainly won't hurt). —David Levy 21:54, 29 November 2016 (UTC)
 * To be clear, I don't mean to suggest that it would be logical for readers to see "football team" and draw a connection to the plane crash. Understandably, in times of tragedy, logic doesn't always prevail.  —David Levy 21:54, 29 November 2016 (UTC)
 * I realised that you weren't suggesting that it would be distasteful, merely that other people might. Anticipating and pandering to potential offence being taken illogically at a juxtaposition of news event and TFA choice is a step too far for me, but I have no TFA role these days so don't have to carry the can for decisions anymore! BencherliteTalk 21:59, 29 November 2016 (UTC)
 * My concern is rooted mainly in the risk of a well written article's one TFA appearance (not this one in particular, but that of any featured article) being overshadowed by the perception of distasteful timing,however irrational this might be. I don't like pandering to the easily offended, but I see pragmatism in mitigating the extent to which such sentiments interfere with Wikipedia's encyclopedic goals.  —David Levy 22:32, 29 November 2016 (UTC)
 * I have to agree with Bencherlite here. It is a quite different article, from a different geographic region, and the date connection is strong and clear. Although we shouldn't deliberately go out of our way to antagonize readers, we should also not allow the fear of potential but tenuous "controversy" or of complaints stop articles from running. Otherwise we'd never run another video game/mushroom/military history article (all of which tend to draw complaints of "This again?!?") again  — Chris Woodrich (talk) 02:07, 30 November 2016 (UTC)
 * I agree with all of the above. The only area of disagreement, I believe, is the extent to which TFA scheduling should be adjusted to reduce the likelihood of controversy.  I've long opposed (and contested, back when Raul's "list" was in use) the practice of stopping an article from running, even when its subject is controversial in its own right (irrespective of timing).  —David Levy 03:44, 30 November 2016 (UTC)
 * It olloks to me as if a consensus has emerged while I slept (slacking again!), and I have nothing to add. Good decision Jimfbleak - talk to me?  07:18, 30 November 2016 (UTC)
 * I'm also late to the discussion, but like Jim I agree the decision was the right one. Mike Christie (talk - contribs - library) 11:42, 30 November 2016 (UTC)

Anbe Sivam
Hello Dank. I wish to take the article to FAC. I closed up the PR for it six months ago. I was wondering if you could do an informal PR of the article before I take it to FAC. Do let me know if you are willing by pinging me. Thanks. — Ssven2  Speak 2 me 12:52, 4 December 2016 (UTC)
 * The PR was detailed; go ahead and list it at FAC. - Dank (push to talk) 14:32, 4 December 2016 (UTC)
 * Alright.  —  Ssven2  Speak 2 me 16:14, 4 December 2016 (UTC)

FAC reviewing barnstar

 * Thanks Mike. - Dank (push to talk) 22:48, 4 December 2016 (UTC)

Happy Saturnalia!

 * That made me smile, thanks. Best to you and your loved ones. - Dank (push to talk) 01:42, 18 December 2016 (UTC)

Thanks
Thanks for that. I pasted in the rendered text to the character count and forgot to go back and pick up the wikitext for the body of the blurb! Mike Christie (talk - contribs - library) 15:53, 18 December 2016 (UTC)
 * Heh. I like your choices. - Dank (push to talk) 16:14, 18 December 2016 (UTC)

Holiday card

 * Best of the season, Montana. - Dank (push to talk) 23:27, 23 December 2016 (UTC)

Merry, merry!
From the icy Canajian north; to you and yours! FWiW Bzuk (talk) 14:59, 24 December 2016 (UTC)
 * I hesitate to make "Canada is cold" jokes, but of course Canadians can say it :) Btw we've had pretty warm December in North Carolina. Good to hear from you Bzuk, drop by FAC sometime! - Dank (push to talk) 15:43, 24 December 2016 (UTC)

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 * Beautiful photo, Jonathan, and good to hear from you. Best of the season. - Dank (push to talk) 18:17, 24 December 2016 (UTC)

Happy holidays!

 * Thanks Ed, hope you're doing something fun for the holidays. - Dank (push to talk) 01:33, 26 December 2016 (UTC)

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 * Hey Ruhrfisch, best of the season! - Dank (push to talk) 01:35, 26 December 2016 (UTC)

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 * And to you and yours. - Dank (push to talk) 21:22, 31 December 2016 (UTC)

Happy New Year, Dank!


Happy New Year! Dank, Have a prosperous, productive and enjoyable New Year, and thanks for your contributions to Wikipedia.

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 * Thanks, same to you. - Dank (push to talk) 14:58, 2 January 2017 (UTC)
 * Thanks for your copyedits to 2003 CWC final. And, happy New Year! &mdash; Vensatry (talk) 15:23, 2 January 2017 (UTC)
 * Happy to help. - Dank (push to talk) 15:36, 2 January 2017 (UTC)