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The fourth round of the competition has finished, with anyone scoring less than 673 points being eliminated. It was a high scoring round with all but one of the contestants who progressed to the final having achieved an FA during the round. The highest scorers were


 * Epicgenius, with 2173 points topping the scores, gained mainly from a featured article, 38 good articles and 9 DYKs. He was followed by
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 * Thebiguglyalien, with 1535 points mainly gained from a featured article, 15 good articles, 26 good article reviews and lots of bonus points.

Between them during round 4, contestants achieved 12 featured articles, 3 featured lists, 3 featured pictures, 126 good articles, 46 DYK entries, 14 ITN entries, 67 featured article candidate reviews and 147 good article reviews. Congratulations to our eight finalists and all who participated! It was a generally high-scoring and productive round and I think we can expect a highly competitive finish to the competition.

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Welcome to the drive!
Welcome, welcome, welcome Ealdgyth! I'm glad that you are joining the drive! Please, have a cup of WikiTea, and go cite some articles. CactiStaccingCrane (talk)18:46, 1 February 2024 UTC //en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Ealdgyth&action=purge refresh via JWB and Geardona (talk to me?)

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I have nominated Middle Ages for a featured article review here. Please join the discussion on whether this article meets the featured article criteria. Articles are typically reviewed for two weeks. If substantial concerns are not addressed during the review period, the article will be moved to the Featured Article Removal Candidates list for a further period, where editors may declare "Keep" or "Delist" in regards to the article's featured status. The instructions for the review process are here. Borsoka (talk) 03:36, 24 June 2024 (UTC)

WikiCup 2024 July newsletter
The third round of the 2024 WikiCup ended on 28 June. As with Round 2, this round was competitive: each of the 16 contestants who advanced to Round 4 scored at least 256 points.

The following editors all scored more than 400 points in Round 3:


 * with 1,059 points, mostly from 1 featured article on DeLancey W. Gill, 11 good articles, 18 did you know nominations, and dozens of reviews;
 * with 673 points, mostly from 2 featured articles on Worlds (Porter Robinson album) and I'm God, 5 good articles, and 2 did you know nominations;
 * with 557 points, mostly from 1 featured article on KNXV-TV, 5 good articles, and 8 did you know nominations; and
 * with 415 points, mostly from 1 featured article on Great cuckoo-dove, with a high number of bonus points from that article.

The full scores for round 3 can be seen here. So far this year, competitors have gotten 28 featured articles, 38 featured lists, 240 good articles, 92 in the news credits, and at least 285 did you know credits. They have conducted 279 featured article reviews, as well as 492 good article reviews and peer reviews, and have added 22 articles to featured topics and good topics.

Remember that any content promoted after 28 June but before the start of Round 4 can be claimed during Round 4, which starts on 1 July at 00:00 (UTC). Invitations for collaborative writing efforts or any other discussion of potentially interesting work is always welcome on the WikiCup talk page. Remember, if two or more WikiCup competitors have done significant work on an article, all can claim points. If you are concerned that your nomination—whether for a good article, featured content, or anything else—will not receive the necessary reviews, please list it on WikiCup/Reviews Needed.

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Ancestry of monarchs
Hello Victoria, I'm also very interstered in study of genealogy of medieval european royalty and want to ask about ancestry of monarchs isn't this obviously to add ancestors even without direct sources referencies because I don't always know there I can take them except web sources like Britannica, encyclopedia fmg.ac and geni.com and it can be very easily bring out from other articles parents of monarchs which are good sourced? And in other wiki like French, Spanish and Russian there are no such strict rules about sources referencies in royal ancestry and in them there no limit usually only in 4 generations. Dmitry Azikov (talk) 14:36, 30 June 2024 (UTC)
 * What other wikipedia's do is not relevant to what the rules are here on English wikipedia. In general, we are not a genealogical source - we should not aim to present genealogical information. See WP:NOTGENEALOGY. And unsourced information is also not acceptable - please do not introduce unsourced information. And you shouldn't combine unrelated sources to produce family trees - if the sources for a subject's life do not give a four or five generation ancestral tree, then per WP:UNDUE and WP:OR, we should not combine unrelated sources to produce information that sources about a subject do not consider important about that subject. Ealdgyth (talk) 16:54, 30 June 2024 (UTC)


 * Dmitry Azikov has started using FMG(Foundation for Medieval Genealogy) for sourcing their editing. That site isn't considered a reliable source, per this discussion. --Kansas Bear (talk) 20:48, 30 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Also Frederick Lewis Weis's Ancestral Roots - and some others, but its impossible to tell which editions of those sources he's using. And frankly, the ancestry tables are pretty much cruft anyways - no serious academic biography would put in a full ahnentafel because so much of it is not germane to the subject - someone is very unlikely to have much influence or interactions with their great-great-grandmother, if they even have a clue who most of their remote ancestors are. He's spreading them all over and it's hard to keep up with the additions. Ealdgyth (talk) 21:51, 30 June 2024 (UTC)

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Primary Sources tag at Battle of Mount Scorobas
Saw this tag in a short article on my watchlist: you tagged it for excessive reliance on primary sources, suggesting that it needed secondary sources. However, the article is two paragraphs long, and each of the paragraphs is cited to three secondary sources: two classical encyclopedias and MRR. While it is certainly likely that additional secondary sources exist, the article seems to be more than adequately supported by secondary sources given its length. The fact that it also cites seven Greek and Roman writers whose accounts are mentioned or cited by the secondary sources shouldn't mean that it needs an equal number of secondary sources—each of which presumably will be based on the same list of primary ones. P Aculeius (talk) 13:32, 20 July 2024 (UTC)
 * I generally don't edit war over tagging - if you want to remove it, I won't be re-adding it immediately back (I've been here long enough that I no longer say "I won't ever" do something again because it's entirely possible in 10 years I'll find myself back on the article and tag it again having forgotten this discussion). Personally, I think that the sourcing you describe is poor and we shouldn't be citing primary sources at all, but it's not a hill I'm going to die on. Ealdgyth (talk) 13:37, 20 July 2024 (UTC)
 * The sourcing is poor because the sources cited are poor, or because primary sources are included? It's hard to imagine more authoritative sources than the three I mentioned; they are standard reference works for the field.  They apply to whole paragraphs (which is in accordance with Wikipedia's guidance on citations) because their coverage overlaps, and otherwise each of them would need to be cited repeatedly for every sentence.  There may well be additional secondary sources to cite, but it is unlikely they will add anything to what is already in the article; they would probably just be cumulative.
 * As for the other sources being "primary", I will note two things: first, unlike the definition of "primary" sources used for contemporary articles, these are not usually the accounts of participants or even eyewitnesses to events, but of historians, chroniclers, or antiquarians writing decades or centuries later, using a variety of sources available to them—in some cases perhaps having spoken to eyewitnesses or participants, or reviewing the work of earlier writers who had access to such material.
 * Secondly, in the field of classics, readers generally want to know who the Greek and Roman authorities are, and where to find their accounts. In part this is because they're generally accessible, unlike secondary sources, which are often under copyright or stuck in the reference sections of university libraries.  The person who proposed the article for deletion last fall claimed to be unable to find any sources using Google Scholar or the Wikipedia Library, which says little about the actual availability of sources, but a great deal about how accessible they are.  Classical sources are also where additional details can be gleaned, since reference works tend to include only a brief summary of what is said by Greek and Roman historians, and unlike events in contemporary history, any new descriptions that occur will still be based on these same sources; no new sources are being written.  P Aculeius (talk) 17:29, 20 July 2024 (UTC)