User talk:Dark Tea

Interracial Marriage
Do you know any statistics of marriages between Latinos and other groups? Agtax 07:51, 14 July 2008 (UTC)
 * On the internet, there are statistics involving Hispanic exogamy but they incorrectly give Hispanics the distinction of being their own race, comparing their exogamy with other races rather than non-Hispanics. Hispanic is not a race, so I haven't added it to the interracial marriage article and I have been careful to not include interracial statistics which botch their data by including Hispanic as a race.Dark Tea  &#169;  08:03, 14 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Do you know the statistics of interracial marriages recorded last year and this year? Agtax 08:42, 14 July 2008 (UTC)
 * I have not found them on the internet, but I haven't been looking specifically for 2007 or 2008 statistics.Dark Tea &#169;  08:53, 14 July 2008 (UTC)

IP range block

 * Please follow the above instructions exactly, or we cannot unblock you.  Sandstein   09:07, 22 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Where is the "IP blocked?" section?Dark Tea &#169;  09:14, 22 July 2008 (UTC)

Obsessions with Indians
Why are you obsessed with Indians when you are of Japanese ancestry? You seem to be on a rampage to prove that Indians are not caucasians and wish to lump them in with mongoloids (both in the Asian American article where you insist on including Indians and in the mongoloid article where you insist on including indians). It sounds like you are jealous of the caucasoid features of many Indians and wish to lump them in with mongoloids. Bluescientist (talk) 01:47, 24 July 2008 (UTC)
 * I don't respond to personal attacks. They are part of the Asian race, although some people disagree.  If you were the IP editor who made the deletion of citations on the Mongoloid article recently, remember to next time log in to Wikipedia.  Also, remember Wikipedia works by citations, not opinions.---Dark Tea  &#169;  04:04, 24 July 2008 (UTC)

Race stuff
Hi, you've done a good job with the articles about the Caucasian race and Mongoloid race, so I was thinking if you could maybe take a look at the Negroid article some day? FunkMonk (talk) 03:35, 15 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Although I would like to contribute to that article, I'm afraid of being accused of being a racist if I contribute to that article.Dark Tea &#169;  03:38, 15 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Nah, the main problem with that article was that the user User:Muntuwandi "owned" the article, but he has now been blocked indefinitely as a massive sockpuppet-master. Another user with ownage problems in relation to that article, User:Jeeny, has been blocked indefinitely too. I think if anything, you'd make the article even less POV, as you always use citations, contrary to many other people who edit such articles. FunkMonk (talk) 03:42, 15 August 2008 (UTC)
 * User:Deeceevoice is an African editor who made this edit where they removed a citation about the existence of physical and mental racial differences. I think my citations about physical and mental differences will be removed by this editor.Dark Tea  &#169;  04:06, 15 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Hmmm, You made it very clear that it was a controversial view and all that, but it wasn't sourced, which is problematic for controversial material. Deeceevoice seems to be a sane person, contrary to Muntuwandi and Jeeny, so a talk page discussion could probably solve eventual differences, and there probably won't be problems if statements are sourced. I'll throw in my "two cents" if discussion gets heated, as I think I and Deecevoice are on good terms. FunkMonk (talk) 04:14, 15 August 2008 (UTC)

Rachel Milford
There's no "Rachel Milford" - there are Milford Wolpoff and Rachel Caspari, two individuals.

I'm really curious where you are getting your references - in this case it's obviously not from the book itself or a facsimile like Amazon Preview or Google Books, but must be some secondary source where the names were garbled.

It's an excellent book about the multiregional hypothesis - I recommend obtaining the book or reading a facsimile. --JWB (talk) 05:01, 15 August 2008 (UTC)
 * I remember she had two last names in Google Books. Perhaps one is a maiden name.Dark Tea  &#169;  07:44, 15 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Here's the Google Books entry for the book that clearly shows the two authors' names. It was the first search result for the title and took a couple of seconds to find. What source are you looking at? --JWB (talk) 18:49, 17 August 2008 (UTC)
 * I was looking at Google books.Dark Tea &#169;  23:01, 17 August 2008 (UTC)

Using Talk Page for Sandbox before August 22
My home IP is being affected by a range IP block, targeting a dynamic IP vandal, so I am going to be using this space for collecting citations until August 22. The block ends August 22.<i style="color:darkslateblue;">Dark</i> Tea &#169;  07:59, 15 August 2008 (UTC)

Email?
Dark Tea, could you email me? Want to say something privately (not bad, don't worry!). Hope this is allowed. Email from my page, or just send to fiona2211814 at gmail dot com. Thanks. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Fiona2211814 (talk • contribs) 03:38, 29 August 2008 (UTC)
 * I do not want to talk with Wikipedia editors via email.<i style="color:darkslateblue;">Dark</i> Tea &#169;  23:32, 29 August 2008 (UTC)

Blocked
I'm blocking you for 3 months, though it really should be indef. As documented at FTN, you have systematically, over the last 3 years, fouled up an entire topic-area. Our "race" articles are all in a complete mess, and I reckon 70 percent of this to be your fault. Your credulous italicized inclusion of any lengthy quote from anyone, so long as it looks impressive, is simply unacceptable: reverting to re-include such junk is essentially vandalism. Particularly when attached to a distinct "racialist" agenda, as far as I can make out. Moreschi (talk) 20:32, 11 September 2008 (UTC)


 * Just a comment, this user seems to have been blocked simply for having a POV different from the blocking admin. That's pretty bad. Dark Tea's edits were obviously in good faith, and it seems that the admin has forgotten to assume good faith, since he/she just blocks editors for assuming "racialist agendas". I assume this admin is abusing his/her powers. In fact, Dark Tea edited all race related articles almost equally, simply adding sourced statements to them. Hardly "foul", and in any case, the block was way too premature, since the admin didn't even attempt to discuss the edits with Dark Tea. FunkMonk (talk) 20:55, 11 September 2008 (UTC)
 * I never feel the need to comment on someone being blocked, but I am a little surprised at this one, as it seems to be unwarranted and a possible abuse of administrator powers. I don't do much editing on the Caucasian race article, but I've been following it daily. Just the other day, User:Moreschi started making major deletes and just said on the talk page that he thought it was sh** without much discussion or consensus. It seems to me that User:Dark Tea only reinserted what he felt to be cited material and was automatically blocked without warning? Seems a bit excessive to me. Kman543210 (talk) 21:15, 11 September 2008 (UTC)
 * It should be noted that my comments are based only on my observation of the Caucasian race article and not any of the other disputes that may have happened on other race-related articles. Kman543210 (talk) 21:29, 11 September 2008 (UTC)

Topic ban
After reading your edits to various articles, I have come to the conclusion that your editing on topics related to race is unhelpful to the development of those articles. Since you have previously been warned of such problems, I am enacting a topic ban on you of any article relating to race. This means that you cannot edit any article which is functionally related to that topic. If you do so, you can be blocked from the project by any administrator for a suitable period. Thanks, <b style="color:black;">Black Kite</b> 23:47, 11 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Black Kite, by what authority are you issuing this ban? To my knowledge, unless Dark Tea is editing in a ArbCom enforcement area, we can't just issue a vague topic ban on one admin's say-so. --Elonka 02:12, 12 September 2008 (UTC)
 * See your talkpage. <b style="color:black;">Black Kite</b> 20:20, 12 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Alright, Dark Tea, please disregard Black Kite's above message. You are not topic-banned at this time.  There is still discussion going on at ANI and the Fringe theories noticeboard though.  I'm personally not that familiar with this topic area, so I can't tell what the fuss is about.  I see people complaining about Dark Tea's edits, but without providing solid diffs that prove a problem. And I see no history of warnings to Dark Tea's talkpage either. --Elonka 21:43, 12 September 2008 (UTC)

An ANI thread about you
There is an ANI thread about you at Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents. DuncanHill (talk) 01:27, 12 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Hiya, Dark Tea, since you haven't been online in a couple days, the thread eventually died out and has been archived (ANI gets archived very rapidly). To see what was said, check here.  Any comments you may have in reply, should probably be placed here at your talkpage.  Thanks, --Elonka 16:38, 15 September 2008 (UTC)

September 2008
In the arbitration case Requests for arbitration/Pseudoscience a general sanction was established allowing uninvolved administrators to issue topic bans to editors who fail to comply with Wikipedia's content policies in the locus of dispute, pseudoscience broadly construed. Please read the case and familiarize yourself with the relevant policies, especially WP:NPOV. Your editing history shows a consistent tendency to give undue weight to fringe ideas, and to promote pseudoscientific ideas. Should these problems continue, you may be subject to the remedies provided by that case. Jehochman Talk 23:40, 12 September 2008 (UTC)
 * According to the case, "Pseudoscience" is defined loosely as all articles in Category:Pseudoscience and its subcategories. Which of those articles has Dark Tea been editing? Which pseudoscientific ideas is it claimed that Dark Tea is promoting? --Elonka 18:00, 13 September 2008 (UTC)


 * A quick look at the user's contribution history will reveal numerous examples of the user adding irrelevant material to Wikipedia for the purpose of pushing pseudoscientific ideas. For instance, this recent edit to Greys. Please check the user's contribution history in detail and you will see the pattern.  Your help is welcome.  If we can inform the user as to the nature of the problem, they perhaps can be guided in a more productive direction. Jehochman Talk 19:49, 13 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Thank you for the diff. I agree that on first glance, it was a questionable edit, and that the name of Dr. Jacobs was being used excessively in that article, at that time. However, I would advise looking deeper, and reviewing the subsequent discussions at the talkpage. There appears to have been a  legitimate discussion as to whether or not Jacobs was a reliable source.  Dark Tea initially presented arguments as to why he was, but then once better educated on Wikipedia policies, realized that he was not. At that point, Dark Tea voluntarily acknowledged that Jacobs was an unreliable source, and personally removed all reference to Dr. Jacobs' work. Dark Tea should have perhaps shown better judgment than to add the information in the first place, but once challenged, Dark Tea quickly adapted to the community's wishes, and there have been no further questionable edits to that article by Dark Tea.  This seems to me to be Wikipedia working normally, as well as what we want to see in an editor -- a willingness to re-examine their own editing practices and try to improve.  I still am not seeing a valid reason to give an ArbCom warning, as I have not yet seen proof that Dark Tea has been editing tendentiously. --Elonka 21:29, 13 September 2008 (UTC)
 * This incident is one month old. I think it is too soon to conclude that there will be no further problems, considering the editor's long history, three years worth cited by Moreschi.  Notice of the arbitration case ("warning" is an ominous word) to an editor who is active in the area is a good way to make sure they are aware of the conditions and to help prevent problems.  It is not my intention to get this editor blocked.  Quite the contrary.  In any case, they are now on notice and will hopefully comply with relevant policies going forward. Jehochman Talk 21:39, 13 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Moreschi was clearly out of line, and was abusing administrator tools. If you are going to be warning editors such as Dark Tea for what she might be doing in the future, perhaps you should also consider speaking to Moreschi about what he actually did? I know how interested you are in the topic of administrators abusing their access... --Elonka 22:03, 13 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Elonka, it's becoming increasingly clear that you only arrived at this case not because of any interest in the actual case, but only because of your previous interactions with Moreschi. You clearly do not possess any real interest or competency in this actual editing area. If I was you, I'd disengage from this before another RfC is required. <b style="color:black;">Black Kite</b> 23:53, 13 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Actually, no, my interest has nothing to do with Moreschi. I just noticed the ANI thread, and on a spot-check about the block, was concerned that a lengthy block was imposed on an established editor, even though there was no history of warnings. That the block was imposed by an "involved" admin, was secondary. --Elonka 01:38, 14 September 2008 (UTC)
 * I'm undecided on the matter of Moreschi's block, because I haven't looked at Moreschi's edits. However, I feel that Dark Tea has been editing contrary to policy and should be informed of the arbitration decision.  Now that the notice has been given, my job here is done, and I will move on to the next task.  With regards to all, especially Dark Tea who has been our gracious host.  Jehochman Talk 02:36, 14 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Yes, let's just hope that Dark Tea reads this and modifies their editing on such articles, then none of use would have to do anything. <b style="color:black;">Black Kite</b> 09:19, 14 September 2008 (UTC)
 * What might be most helpful to Dark Tea, would be if other editors could give constructive criticism as to what exactly they would like to see improved. Black Kite, could you perhaps give some specific suggestions? --Elonka 18:12, 14 September 2008 (UTC)
 * To be honest, I believe this user knows exactly what they are doing wrong, but to over-extend my good faith, they need to ask "are the opinions that I am inserting into the article widely held by notable authorities on the issue, and are they well sourced, or are they my own opinions sourced by random vague quotations from miscellaneous sources that I found?" <b style="color:black;">Black Kite</b> 22:51, 14 September 2008 (UTC)

Hit me up, if...
Greetings. We haven't had much interaction, but I'm dropping by to offer my assistance. If and when you need it, and if it's righteous, then I'm in. I'm not here often, so you may want to post to my talk page as well as drop me an e-mail. Peace. deeceevoice (talk) 10:24, 13 January 2009 (UTC)

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