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Edgar Speyer
Hi DavidCane, I am currently working through the memoirs of Wilhelm Kroll, who at one point speaks of meeting "Lilli Scholderer, eine lebenslustige Frankfurterin" ('a jolly Frankfurtian') in Rome, 1892; and right after that he states that he later met her again in 1899 as the wife of a banker Speyer in England, who probably is to be identified as Edgar Speyer. Now, your article states that Speyer married Leonora von Stosch in 1902.

As far as I can see, there are three possibilities: 1) Speyer was married before 1902 to Lilli Scholderer and this marriage ended before 1902; 2) Kroll means a different banker Speyer in England, but are there any?, or 3) Kroll's memory failed him (as he wrote his memoirs more than 40 years after the fact).

I would love to get your opinion on this!

Best, Jonathan Groß (talk) 18:39, 3 November 2023 (UTC)


 * There's no indication that Edgar Speyer was married before he met Leonora. Edgar's brother James was based in America and married to Ellin Prince Speyer, so it wasn't him. If Lilli Scholderer was from Frankfurt and then married a Speyer, it is possible she married another member of the family as Frankfurt was the origin of the Speyer family and base of one of interconnected family banks. Looking at the Speyer family article, one candidate might be Alfred Julius Speyer. DavidCane (talk) 13:22, 4 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Thank you for your answer. What is puzzling to me is that Kroll explicitly says "Lilli Scholderer, eine lebenslustige Frankfurterin, die ich spä­ter (1899) als Gattin des Bankiers Speyer in England' wiedersah". Is it possible he was conned?
 * Alfred isn't a good candidate as he was, according to the German Wikipedia article on his father, mentally handicapped and lived his whole life under guardianship. Jonathan Groß (talk) 17:01, 8 November 2023 (UTC)

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Outer Circle
Hello DavidCane: You are credited as the 'Author' of this image on Commons: File:The Circle Routes of Victorian London.png (although the original appears to have been posted by co:User:Voyager). I am intrigued by the line that loops from Kensington (Olympia), goes south of the river and loops back to Victoria (Overground). It is colour-keyed as part of the Outer Circle.

All the (few) textual references I can find to this line describe it as using the Underground routes and Vicoria (Underground) station. Can you throw any light on this? -- Verbarson talkedits 15:04, 7 November 2023 (UTC)


 * I did create the image. Voyager later moved it from wikipedia to wikipedia. The line south from Kensington (Olympia) is the West London line down to Clapham Junction then the line back across the river into Victoria mainline station. Starting in 1867, the Outer Circle route pre-dates the opening of the western and southern parts of the modern Circle line. It ran via Clapham Junction to Victoria from 2 January 1869 to 31 January 1872. After that it started using the newly opened District Railway's tracks to Mansion House. Dates for the various different routings are shown on the map (top right). DavidCane (talk) 18:24, 8 November 2023 (UTC)
 * That is interesting. Do you have a reference for the earlier routing? I am interested in the broader Clapham Junction area ("Battersea Tangle") but I have not come across this. Would the GWR have run Broad Gauge trains? They had BG track to Victoria, but I suppose the eastern part of the Middle Circle would have been SG. -- Verbarson talkedits 18:42, 8 November 2023 (UTC)
 * What rubbish. That's me confusing the Middle Circle (GWR) with the Outer Circle (London) (LNWR). In any case, GWR BG services to Victoria stopped in 1866.
 * However, I have noticed the brief mention in the Outer Circle article to a previous service running to Victoria overground. And I've found a description in Jackson (1969) London's Termini p.290 of the LNWR operating between Victoria (Brighton side) and Broad Street, from 1st Jan 1869 to the end of Jan 1872, after which it used the District Railway to Mansion House. It doesn't name the route. -- Verbarson talkedits 20:14, 8 November 2023 (UTC)

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Hi, DavidCane. I'm just posting to let you know that Grade I listed buildings in Maidstone – a list that you have been heavily involved with – has been chosen to appear on the Main Page as Today's featured list for January 29, 2024. The TFL blurb can be seen here. If you have any thoughts on the selection, please post them on my talk page or at TFL talk. Regards, Giants2008  ( Talk ) 22:53, 29 December 2023 (UTC)


 * Thanks. Nice to know. That'll be my third featured list on the main page. I'll give it a review to make sure it's current. DavidCane (talk) 00:33, 30 December 2023 (UTC)


 * The changes you proposed all look fine to me and have been incorporated. Giants2008  ( Talk ) 01:19, 18 January 2024 (UTC)

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Course (1963)
Hi, DavidCane. When you created Battersea Park railway station (1860–1870) you included a reference to Course (1963). What publication is this? -- Verbarson talkedits 18:16, 17 February 2024 (UTC)


 * Found it. (The year was one off)
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