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Canterbury – Music

Vidoue (talk) 22:37, 19 December 2009 (UTC) -

Welcome
Dear Sir,

I am pleased to meet you on Wikipedia. I'm both a French library curator interested in rare books and manuscripts issues and a very involved wikipedian (sysop and member of the board of Wikimedia France).

I only know you by your articles or your work for CERL but I really appreciate that you could find time to create or translate new articles (I was the one who had wrotten the French Ronald Brunlees McKerrow article).

If you need any help, I would be glad to try to help you (if you need, please leave a message on my French user talk page).

Best regards,

Remi Mathis (talk) 07:31, 1 October 2009 (UTC)

Charles Fotherby
I was glad to see Charles Fotherby appear, having been aware that there is some interesting local history that comes attached to him (not that I can find it right now). I thought I'd mention a couple of things; firstly that I moved the page, because placing (Dean) afterwards is not currently necessary. This kind of disambiguation can be done as needed - it is unproblematic to move it again if there is (for example) a page created about the 18th century MP of the same name. Secondly, it is conventional to place the material at the top of this page on your userpage, currently blank. I expect our paths will cross, since I work on 17th century material quite intensively. Charles Matthews (talk) 15:58, 21 October 2009 (UTC)


 * I think that what I must have been thinking of was in relation to Thomas Scott of Canterbury (1566–1635). Charles Matthews (talk) 20:40, 21 October 2009 (UTC)

Obsolete spellings
A few days ago, you had a brief discussion with user:Btilm about the use of obsolete spellings in direct quotations.

May I suggest that henceforth, you use "sic" ? DS (talk) 02:57, 29 October 2009 (UTC)

Rectors of the University of Paris
I'm working away at List of Rectors of the University of Paris. I think if there was another list available online I'd have probably found it by now. Is there a reference work? Charles Matthews (talk) 20:57, 28 November 2009 (UTC)


 * I've added some suggestions (print only) to the List of Rectors talk page.

And added a link to the French Wikipedia for Ravisius Textor. Vidoue (talk) 16:06, 29 November 2009 (UTC)

Bib Soc three columns for gold medallists
Dr Shaw, Three columns doesn't seem to work for a sortable wikitable (I am referring to the Bibliographical Society page). I agree that such a long table looks bad and is difficult to use. Perhaps there is an alternative. Admittedly, I don't know much about these sortable tables. Should we just have a three-column regular table? I have not undone your edit. —138.88.28.86 (talk) 23:10, 19 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Sorry, I wasn't logged in for the above comment. —Diiscool (talk) 23:11, 19 February 2010 (UTC)
 * I read the pages for sortable tables and it appears that there is currently no way to have a sortable table such as this one across multiple columns. I went ahead and undid your edit (but retaining "Recipient" as you had it). Maybe we'll think of something else to fix this, as I know the table will only grow with time. — Diiscool (talk) 00:26, 20 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Thanks for your input on this page. I thought your origianl table was too long but I didn't know about sortable tables. I guess you wanted to offer an alphabetic and a date sort - it sounds a good idea ... if only we knew how to do it. I switched to a three-column table to match the one we have on the BibSoc web site (where I am responsible for the web as chairman of the Society's Publications Committee).
 * Thanks for agreeing to "Recipient" -- "Awardee" sounds very alien to elderly British ears! Vidoue (talk) 18:31, 20 February 2010 (UTC)

Lancelot Ridley
Just created, one of the original Six Preachers, and quite a significant figure in his own right. Do you have anything to add? Charles Matthews (talk) 10:21, 31 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Thanks, Charles. The looks good. I've checked the data with Derek Ingram-Hill book on the Six preachers but there is nothing new. Is it worth typing in the complete list of names (with dates) from DI-H's book? There are over 200 altogether. David. Vidoue (talk) 16:10, 1 August 2010 (UTC)

Probably not, at this point. There are a couple of pages from Diarmaid McCulloch's biography of Cranmer that I shall use to put Lancelot Ridley in context (as one of the Six Preachers). Ecclesiastical lists are interesting and useful, but I sometimes wish I hadn't started in on archdeacons! Any such list helps to fit in certain people. No, I was wondering about Ridley in particular when I wrote that. Charles Matthews (talk) 19:26, 1 August 2010 (UTC)

Isaac Bargrave
The relevance of the template is to the Tenterden article. In Bargrave's case, he was added to the template because he is Wikinotable and was a rector of Tenterden, even if it was for a short time. The template is not obtrusive in its normally collapsed form. Mjroots (talk) 11:59, 24 November 2010 (UTC)

Archdeacons of Maidstone
Perhaps you could look over List of Archdeacons of Maidstone some time. Right now it's at best sketchy. I don't seem to be able to find the Fasti I need on British History Online, when I need them.

I was really interested in Bernard Harrison (archdeacon), for whom you started drafting in userspace. And that was for a a project I've just started: User:Charles Matthews/Tracts for the Times. Newmanmania may be dying down in the media, but I'm not exactly satisfied with what we have on the Tractarians as a whole.

I was intrigued to come across your own library wiki. Wikis are not usually classed as "reliable sources", but in that case I think we might make an exception. Charles Matthews (talk) 21:36, 16 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the reminder, Charles. As you have noticed, I have been somewhat involved in other ventures. The first draft of my page for Benjamin Harrison (Archdeacon of Maidstone) is now complete and in place. I have more on him which is specifically related to his library collections which I shall add to my Canterbury Cathedral Library wiki at http://ccl-history.referata.com. I hope to be able to add a few bits to your List of Archdeacons of Maidstone page. Vidoue (talk) 18:50, 19 December 2010 (UTC)

Quantitative aspects of incunables
Hi. Where in the Incunabula Short Title Catalogue of the British Library did you get all the quantitative material from? I can't find most figures in the database. Gun Powder Ma (talk) 09:30, 28 February 2011 (UTC)
 * Thanks for your query. I didn't derive the figures myself. My edit in 2009 was a tidying up and re-organisation of the existing text. My guess is that the figures were produced by using the ISTC's Browse menu, selecting "Place of printing" and searching for "*", and then counting the results. It's possible that the ISTC team itself have other tools to access the data. DavidShaw (talk) 10:26, 28 February 2011 (UTC)

John Twyne
I have started this off (from the old DNB text) and tried to deal with some of the looser ends; but the matters leading back to St. Augustine's certainly aren't tidied up yet. Charles Matthews (talk) 11:42, 30 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Thanks, Charles. This is an interesting new page. I've always found Twynne a bit of a mystery. I seem to remember other recent articles on him. I'm about to go off to Antwerp to give a lecture (4 days left to complete my PowerPoint), so I will put off following this up until I get back. David. DavidShaw (talk) 15:33, 30 March 2011 (UTC)

Maybe up your street
I have just been rescuing Eastbridge Hospital of St Thomas the Martyr, Canterbury from a state of confusion. It is now referenced to a couple of pages of "British History Online", which list the masters of the hospital to some point in the late 18th century; quite a number of those people are notable. The history subsequent to Hasted's work then becomes more mysterious. Charles Matthews (talk) 07:44, 30 July 2011 (UTC)
 * There is a book published by the Canterbury Archaeological Society: The Ancient Hospitals and Almshouses of Canterbury by Derek Ingram Hill (1969), new edition by Marjorie Lyle (2004) - £7.50. I can't find a copy on my shelves, so I will buy (another) copy on Wednesday and follow this up. DavidShaw (talk) 16:23, 1 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Copy purchased. I've rewritten most of the text: see User:DavidShaw/Sandbox/EastbridgeHospital. Any comments? or shall I copy it over? DavidShaw (talk) 13:29, 3 August 2011 (UTC)

Looks fine. You could remove the stub notice. Charles Matthews (talk) 15:52, 3 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Done. DavidShaw (talk) 17:44, 3 August 2011 (UTC)

William Warham (priest)
Hiya. You're quite right that that Warham was not a priest! I was a bit blindsided by that – usually dab by order is sufficient, and we tend to avoid dab by rank (archdeacon) and go for dab by specific role (Archdeacon of Canterbury). This is because every Anglican cleric is in one of three orders – deacon (usually only briefly), priest (including vicars, archdeacons and deans) or bishop (bishops and archbishops). DBD 18:37, 10 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Well, never having been a priest, he hardly could've stayed where I put him... Cheers for letting me know! DBD 18:50, 10 August 2011 (UTC)

The Saxon Cathedral at Canterbury and The Saxon Saints Buried Therein
Gday David. I emailed you about Charles Cotton, and I have now completed transcribing his book at Wikisource and it can be found at The Saxon Cathedral at Canterbury and The Saxon Saints Buried Therein. The scans of the images was not the best, however, the text looks fine. Maybe one day we may even get better scans of the images. Anyway, there may be text in the work that is useful for your additions at this place. — billinghurst  sDrewth  16:13, 23 August 2011 (UTC)
 * On a secondary note, not sure whether Notes on the churches in the counties of Kent, Sussex, and Surrey may also be of interest, though it is not quite finished, the index is taking me forever. — billinghurst  sDrewth  16:20, 23 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Thanks very much for your messages. The Saxon Cathedral at Canterbury looks wonderful -- not a book I had read. It will be really useful to have it available online. DavidShaw (talk) 16:35, 23 August 2011 (UTC)

Joseph Mendham
A DNB conversion of mine, and I was going to ask you if you knew about him; but I got my answer to that swiftly from Google. Does the Library have such a thing as a relevant image that could go with it? I see that Minuscule 521 got away, to the Bodleian, where we'd dearly like to have some contacts, in fact. I did a bit of bibliophile work recently on John Theyer, with User:Johnbod; but that is under the heading of GLAM with the British Library, and these days I seem to be a jobbing writer doing whatever comes along. Mendham was only because he edited a work of William Watson and I'm busy working over the articles relating to the first years of James I, which where gunpowder is not involved aren't that good. Charles Matthews (talk) 16:05, 29 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Thanks, Charles. I've just edited the page for Joseph Mendham to correct an error (my article was in Swedish, not German!) and to add a ref to the modern printed catalogue of Mondham's library which I helped to produce. On the Bodleian, I could send you a name or two by email if it's of interest. It would be good to organise user sessions there as at the British Library. DavidShaw (talk) 17:13, 29 November 2011 (UTC)
 * I should have added that I don't know of a picture of JM. DavidShaw (talk) 17:29, 29 November 2011 (UTC)

Introductions to the Bodleian would be more than welcome. (I'm itching to do something about their frieze in the Upper Reading Room, having encountered it obliquely via more Jacobean things.) As for an image, I was thinking rather that you might have a snap of a book in the collection. Charles Matthews (talk) 18:02, 29 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Yes, I have images for the article I published in Biblis but unfortunately they are official photos supplied by the Cathedral Library with permissions only for that article. However, there are several of Mendham's works available digitally from which you could extract an image of a title page: try http://www.eromm.org/use_eromm-eromm_search?term=joseph+mendham. For email addresses for Bodleian people, I would rather send them privately. DavidShaw (talk) 18:57, 29 November 2011 (UTC)

Edward Meetkirke
Curiously the Bodleian frieze project has led me to Edward Meetkerke (his father is one of the heads). Your userpage shows you have some further info on him - so far I've just edited the DNB article (the ODNB indeed has more). The frieze draft is coming along. Charles Matthews (talk) 11:35, 16 December 2011 (UTC)
 * My link to Edward Meetkirke is because he is listed in the Benefactors'Book as giving a book to the Chapter Library at Canterbury: see http://ccl-history.referata.com/wiki/Benefactors%27_Book, f. 105r.

The Bodleian frieze project sounds interesting; I will look at some of the names which still lack pages -- I recognised one or two. DavidShaw (talk) 12:47, 16 December 2011 (UTC)


 * Now created as painted frieze of the Bodleian Library: the biographies are all present. Charles Matthews (talk) 08:39, 5 January 2012 (UTC)

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