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 * ~ Veledan • Talk + new 11:20, 25 September 2005 (UTC)

Congratulations, and thank you for taking it for us. Happy new year!!
 * Darn, didn't sign. Happy new year again!! Raven4x4x 06:22, 1 January 2006 (UTC)

Picture of the day
Hi Debivort,

Just to let you know that your photo Image:Bee pollinating a rose.jpg is due to make an appearance as Pic of the Day on the 11th December. As this will be a weekend, it should also appear on the Main Page. If you get a chance, you can check and improve the caption at Picture of the day/December 11, 2005. -- Solipsist 10:25, 7 December 2005 (UTC)

Nice colors! Shawnc 03:06, 11 December 2005 (UTC)

Twiffy Project Space
User talk:Debivort/twiffy

Incandescence
I've put a comment on the FPC page. Check it out, and, if you agree, please correct what I think is a factual error. Thanks! --Janke | Talk 09:19, 18 December 2005 (UTC)

White Mountain panorama
The panorama you added to White Mountains (New Hampshire) would be more useful if you captioned the image with the peaks from left to right. JJ 13:08, 18 December 2005 (UTC)


 * I'm assuming (so I could be wrong) that the photo was taken looking north from Loon. Is that correct?  If so, I'll give you the peaks (I hope!) and a reference. JJ 16:49, 18 December 2005 (UTC)


 * This is an indispensable reference: Scudder, Brent E. Scudder's White Mountain Viewing Guide, High Top Press: Bellmore, NY 1995. He has drawn panoramas from many of the major peaks in New Hampshire, including Loon.  You are more familiar with the exact direction when you took the photograph, but I believe the peaks are, from left to right, Mount Lincoln, Mount Flume, North Twin (in the distance), Osseo Peak, Whaleback Mountain, and Potash (right foreground).  Send me your image (to john-at-whitemountainart-dot-com) and I'll label them for you so that you know what I'm talking about.


 * [[Image:Loon Panorama.jpg|thumb|left|650px]].


 * I have received your message, but I can't find where you have labeled the peaks. Let me know.  Thanks. JJ 12:13, 19 December 2005 (UTC)


 * If the vantage point is low, your identifications may be right. I confess to being pretty confused myself!  Let's see if anyone else pipes in.  JJ 18:04, 19 December 2005 (UTC)

Possible FPC discussion

 * Thanks for taking the time to look at and comment on this image in preparation. I was hoping to gather your opinion (well informed as it is about FPCs) regarding the potential of this image. Obviously, to date, the Margin and Venation sections aren't done, but I've done one example for each of those categories. I will complete it either as 1) a set of 3 images illustrating variation in leaf shape, margin, and venation, or 2) a poster-like compilation of all three, as in the mock-up above. Do you think it would be favorably received as an FPC in either of those forms? neither? Do you think it should adorn articles as a single image or as parts? Thanks for any thoughts. - Debivort 09:36, 5 January 2006 (UTC)
 * Wow, it is certainly well received by me :-). Hard to say how the response on FPC will end up. Look at Featured_picture_candidates/DrugChart where part of the discussion was about how the pic would look as a thumbnail on the main page. What are you using to create the pic? Looks vector based and thus would suggest using SVG as a file format (postersize printouts would be possible) plus you could even hyperlink words to WP articles. Well, it looks like this is becoming a pretty valuable contibution anyhow, let's worry about FPC later :-) --Dschwen 10:04, 5 January 2006 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the thoughts on the morphology image. I am making it in Adobe Illustrator. I am not familiar with the SVG format, but would be happy to format it that way, assuming I dont have to do it all again from scratch ;-) Do you know about Illustrator and SVG? Also, is it possible to set the thumbnail manually? If so, several close ups from the image could make attractive thumbs, like Rosette or Whorled or Tripinnate. Thanks again Debivort 10:51, 5 January 2006 (UTC)
 * As far as I know, Illustrator can save as SVG, so no additional effort needed. Not sure about adding hyperlinks though. --Dschwen 11:03, 5 January 2006 (UTC)
 * Maybe there should be a Featured Illustration category, separate from FP?Debivort 10:54, 5 January 2006 (UTC)
 * I agree. It has been discussed before, maybe you should suggest it again. --Dschwen 11:03, 5 January 2006 (UTC)


 * Thanks for thinking of me! I don't see any major problems that might prevent it from becoming an FP, though I think an SVG version would be preferable. The second, 'poster', form is my preference. This really does look like a great diagram; visually attractive and very informative. Raven4x4x 09:53, 5 January 2006 (UTC)


 * It's a great diagram! Very clear, and good looking, too. (Not to mention - superbly encyclopedic!) By all means, do finish it and put it up on FPC (but don't forget to put it in an article first... ;-) However, and I'm sorry to say this, but I may abstain from voting, since I don't think diagrams in general look very good when featured on the Main Page, in that small size - and it really should "grab you" even that small... That's why I opposed the drug chart, and was neutral on the tranformer - but, to be honest, your graphic design here is far better than that, so there's no way I can oppose it.--Janke | Talk 13:59, 5 January 2006 (UTC)
 * You've done a great job. Since I wrote substantial parts of the article Leaf, I've been looking in vain on the web for a GFDL image like this. JoJan 09:43, 6 January 2006 (UTC)
 * Well ... up it goes as a Featured picture candidate. Let's see how it does.
 * Well, it seems kind of late (sorry!), but I'll give my feedback here anyways: I like it, but the only thing that's bothering me is the font. It's not bothering me that much, but something about it I just don't like. Would it be possible to create another image with more standard font (i.e. Times New Roman or such) and compare it? I still can't finger what's bothering me, but I like it overall. Thanks! Flcelloguy (A note? ) 22:25, 6 January 2006 (UTC)

Re: Math Collaboration of the Week
Heya Debivort!

I completely agree about Multiple comparison, but I was thinking that if we're going to get people really interested again we should start off with a fresh slate. I would either wait a week, or if you're really excited about it maybe just put a new nomination up. In theory multiple comparison just finished being "collaboration of the past three months", so I'm not sure people will be too thrilled about it.

Meekohi 00:28, 6 January 2006 (UTC)

Featured Picture
Congratulations, and thank you for taking it for us. It is a wonderful image. Raven4x4x 05:52, 10 January 2006 (UTC)

Request
I was much impressed by your picture on leaf morphology. I wonder if you could also make such a drawing of the different types of radula (the "teeth" of a mollusk) for the article Radula. Without such an image, this article is hard to explain to an outsider. I've been looking in vain on the internet for a GFDL image.

Among the Google images for radula, I found these that could serve as example for a drawing : and [http://www.wildsingapore.com/chekjawa/text/i900.htm (look for the word "radula")

For a schematic view of the mouth of a gastropod, I recommend following pictures (look each time in the text for the word "radula"): [http://pst.chez-alice.fr/svtiufm/manganim.htm (in French) and [http://www.weichtiere.at/Schnecken/land/weinberg/seiten/ernaehrung.html (in German) ).

A new drawing of the types of radulae and one of a schematic view of the mouth would greatly illustrate the article. Any thoughts ? JoJan 14:04, 10 January 2006 (UTC)


 * Thank you for your offer. I had the following in mind :
 * a first illustration showing a transverse view of the radula in the buccal cavity in a retracted state and then in a protruded state (with the radula in a different color to enhance its visibility), each time also showing the cartilaginous base, the odontophore protractor muscle, the radula protractor muscle and the radula retractor muscle.
 * a second schematic illustration with the seven different types of radula, with different colors for the central tooth, the lateral teeth and the marginal teeth.
 * I hope the links I provided, will give you enough guidance how to proceed. I know it is a technical and somewhat obscure matter, but it shouldn't be too hard to draw. I worked hard on that article and with these illustrations it would be complete. JoJan 14:46, 16 January 2006 (UTC)
 * You've done it again ! This draft shows in a simple and informative way how how the radula works inside the buccal cavity. As to the placement of the muscles, there are small differences between the genera. So, I wouldn't worry too much about that. But I have two suggestions (if you could still alter slightly the picture) :
 * there should be a maxilla in the upper jaw, and a cartilage under the rasping part of the radula. Look for this on . It is the letter B (B = Kiefer) and D (D = Radukakorpel) in that drawing.
 * at the entrance of the mouth, there is a continuous line between the upper part and the lower part, giving the impression that the mouth is closed. This black line should be removed.
 * I realize that it must have been hard for you to make this simplified schematic view of the buccal cavity. And I appreciate this. As to the second scheme with the different types of radula, the article Radula and the drawing on should give you ample indications how to draw. JoJan 15:31, 29 January 2006 (UTC)
 * The cartilaginous base is indeed the odontophore. My mistake. But looking at the drawing again, could you alter the color of the "teeth" (perhaps a light gray...) ? JoJan 19:08, 29 January 2006 (UTC)

Re: current MCOTW
Hello Meekohi - Is Small World Network the current MCOTW? If so, it should be labeled and and advertised as that to get work going. Currently the nomination page says that the next COTW will be chosen on the 14th. If any article will be chosen between now and then, it will have less than a week available to work on it as a MCOTW. Ready to get my collaborate on, Debivort 13:03, 10 January 2006 (UTC)


 * Hey Debivort - currently there is no MCOTW, since the program was just restarted last Thursday. We'll pick the first new MCOTW (looks like it's going to be Small-world network) on Saturday, and from then on we'll have a MCOTW every week. I think we'll make an excellent article next week. Looking forward to getting my collaborate on as well ;)
 * Meekohi 15:51, 10 January 2006 (UTC)

MATH COTW
Meekohi 16:21, 14 January 2006 (UTC)


 * Heya Debrivot, I left a comment on Talk:Small-world network related to your edit. Sorry I haven't been working on the article much, I plan on getting some time near the end of the week to help out. Meekohi 13:29, 17 January 2006 (UTC)

Gill morphology chart
Hi Debivort Nice leaf morphology chart, and very informative. That made me think of something similar. A mushroom gill morphology chart would be very very welcome and you have the skill to make one. The type of gills is critical to determining mushroom species and words simply won't do to explain. The current article on gills is a stub and there must be a clear illustration of gill types if wikipedia is ever to be used for identifying mushrooms. Jens Nielsen 09:17, 16 January 2006 (UTC)
 * I see the chart is finished. I'm impressed, it looks very nice and it's exactly what we need. It can still be a bit improved though. The boletoid showing the pores could look more convincing, particularly the pores. Order of appearance could also be changed - subdecurrent right after decurrent, for example.


 * Where to put it? Mushroom hunting for a start, but as mycologists also need to identify mushrooms without being out to 'hunt' them, I think it should eventually find its permanent place in an article to be named 'mushroom identification' or similar. Eventually, all species pages should include information on gill type and hyperlinked to that diagram (or a small inset of relevant gill type would be highly educative). As I am still new to the mushroom pages, I'll think of where to link to it or put it. As a side comment, I sense a strong American POV on many mushroom pages. But not all grow on other continents, and all should be able to benefit from the information. Since I suppose you are north american, I can properly ask you this specific question: does your mushroom book mention anything about that Galerina could possibly be confused with Armillaria and Psilocybe? If so, which species are we talking about? My book about scandinavian mushrooms has no such suggestion, and particularly the galerina vs psilocybe seems very far off. Jens Nielsen 08:56, 22 January 2006 (UTC)

Non-annotated "Leaf morphology no title.png"?
Do you have a graphics-only version of Image:Leaf morphology no title.png that could be placed in Commons for use in other language Wikis? TIA, RickP 19:07, 18 January 2006 (UTC)
 * Exactly what I meant; thank you so much.
 * I uploaded it to commons and plan to use for the Hebrew wikipedia.
 * RickP 21:30, 19 January 2006 (UTC)

Congratulations. I can't think of a more illustrative chart on WP. Thanks heaps for creating it. Raven4x4x 07:39, 20 January 2006 (UTC)
 * Ditto congrats, very nice work. &mdash; Matt Crypto 17:27, 26 January 2006 (UTC)

SVG font rendering
I saw your comment on how you were unable to save the leaf diagram as a SVG because of font rendering. I recently encountered this problem myself. It is because Wikipedia renders the svg into a png before displaying, but does not keep the original font. A way to fix this is converting the text to a path. Unfortunately I don't know how to do this in Illustrator (I use Inkscape). If you can't find out how to convert the text into paths, you can always send the file to me and I'll try doing it. (PS, great pic by the way.) DynaBlast
 * After you've converted the text into paths it should render perfectly on Wikipedia. (See a Before and After here.) The only downside is that it will be difficult for other people to edit the text. DynaBlast 19:02, 28 January 2006 (UTC)

Radula teeth types chart
I've been very busy lately. And then I have been pondering your question. I've colored the teeth on the chart in different colors, so as to distinguish them. But I don't want to put this (clumsy) attempt as an image in Wikipedia. Therefore, if you could send me an email (see toolbox : email this user), then I'll send you the image by email with some instructions. JoJan 09:41, 9 February 2006 (UTC)

Russula species
While trying to be the one to publish the 1,000,000th article I've added 6 Russula species including your taxobox. Since you have some proper English-language literature + maybe some information on US mushroom geography, please have a look if you can add something. Jens Nielsen 23:30, 1 March 2006 (UTC)


 * Re:disclaimer template. I'm not familiar with the disclaimer policy, but I'll have a look at it and reply in a day or so. Jens Nielsen 07:26, 2 March 2006 (UTC)

pollination
I created a new, narrower category:Plant reproduction, where category:Pollination sits now. mikka (t) 07:53, 5 March 2006 (UTC)

Request
Hi Debivort,

My name is Fernanda Viégas and I have been studying Wikipedia for a while now (you can see a paper I published on the subject here). I would like to ask you a few questions about your activities as a Wikipedia photographer and illustrator. I am fascinated by the pictorial side of Wikipedia and it would be great to hear about this community from one of its members. Would you be available for an email interview? Thanks, &mdash; Fernanda 00:30, 4 April 2006 (UTC) | talk

Brilliant photograph
Todays Featured Picture of the Bunsen Burner flame is brilliant, congratulations. What did you use in taking it? Loom91 09:21, 13 April 2006 (UTC)

Agreed. Well done. Wolverineblue 21:09, 13 April 2006 (UTC)

It is indeed. What exactly is it a picture of? What's causing the sparks? --SheeEttin 23:40, 13 April 2006 (UTC)

beautiful pictures!
I found a lot of interesting fungi pictures from your wiki pages. I suggest to you to develope them on WikiCommons so they will be available to all.. thx --87.1.88.204 16:08, 3 May 2006 (UTC)

Barnstar


-- Primat e #101  02:59, 6 May 2006 (UTC)

Re: cycle graph disambiguation
Sure, that's reasonable. I removed it because it's generally not standard on pages with parenthetically disambiguated titles to link to the disambiguation page (e.g., Graph (data structure), Madonna (entertainer), Ace (tennis)). However, I don't feel strongly about this point, so I've restored (a standardized version of) the disambiguation link. —Caesura(t) 15:54, 23 June 2006 (UTC)

View from Titan
This is fantastic. A definite improvement over the older one. --Doradus 13:06, 26 July 2006 (UTC)

Picture
Hi there! I thought your work was so illustrative and beautiful, that I have added it to the list of featured pictured candidates. Thanks for the wonderful work you do for Wikipedia. --HappyCamper 02:22, 18 August 2006 (UTC)

Regarding this same picture Tetrahedral group cycle graph.png. Which program did you use to create it? --Dschwen 16:59, 18 August 2006 (UTC)


 * It was all done in Adobe Illustrator. Debivort 02:59, 19 August 2006 (UTC)

Featured Picture
Congratulations, and thanks for making it for us. Raven4x4x 09:28, 26 August 2006 (UTC)


 * Ditto the above :-) --HappyCamper 14:58, 26 August 2006 (UTC)

This is to let you know the Featured Picture you uploaded and/or nominated Image:Tetrahedral group 2.svg is scheduled to be Picture of the day on October 26, 2006, when it will be featured on the Main Page. Congratulations!

Since I haven't taken a math class in almost 20 years, to create the blurb all I did was copy-paste the caption that was in the FPC nomination. Would you mind taking a look (at the date linked above) and copyediting it so that it might be understandable for non-mathematicians? Thanks.  howch e  ng   {chat} 16:55, 26 September 2006 (UTC)
 * The rewrite looks great. I've copied it to the other versions. Thanks so much!  howch e  ng   {chat} 21:37, 26 September 2006 (UTC)

Re: Mike Malloy Timing
As of August 30, he announced (via his website) that he was no longer on Air America Radio. That's good enough for me. --Fightingirish 15:58, 1 September 2006 (UTC)

Good eye!
Thanks, my friend. Thanks for your help! --Rednblu 17:44, 20 September 2006 (UTC)

Re: FSM FPC
I know what we're aiming for on FPC discussions is consensus, but if we were to adopt a strict interpretation of consensus, we'd rarely promote any image. In fact, references to "consensus" on the FP tag were removed a month or two ago, replaced with something like "members of the community." It seems like no matter how excellent a given image is, there is always a contingent of people who are opposed, and no matter how poor a given image is, there is always a contingent that thinks it's great. So instead we've been using a 2/3 supermajority as a general guideline, taking the various comments into account. It's not consensus, but currently it's the only workable solution. -- Moondigger 15:09, 21 September 2006 (UTC)

template rendering
it looks fine in the article provided - weird. i guess if it works it works; i dont think it will be a problem to leave the template as is. JoeSmack Talk (p-review!) 23:50, 28 September 2006 (UTC)

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 * Fixed!Debivort 20:51, 22 October 2006 (UTC)

Circles
Hey there! Would you mind revisiting Featured picture candidates/Villarceau circles to see if you support the newer version of the image? Thanks for your comments! --HappyCamper 14:33, 3 October 2006 (UTC)

Supermarine Spitfire FPC vote
Hi Debivort, I was wondering if you had a preference for an edit version on Featured picture candidates/Supermarine Spitfire XVI? If you do not specify an edit, your vote will count as a support for the original version. Thanks! --Fir0002 23:48, 7 October 2006 (UTC)

mycomorphbxes
Just saw you were the person who did these. Although I do find loads of boxes frustrating I had intended using them when I had time as I have added a load of new fungi to Wikipedia (see my contributions). Been busy trying t get Stegosaurus featured. Will try some soon cheers. Cas Liber 00:26, 8 October 2006 (UTC)


 * Just had another idea as i was working on species lists for various mushroom genera and adding common names and some geographic localities - maybe the edibility icons could go next to the species in species lists as well.....Cas Liber 01:52, 19 October 2006 (UTC)

Image:Telluride Panorama annotated metric.jpg listed for deletion
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Featured picture promotion!

 * This is to let you know the Featured Picture you uploaded and/or nominated Image:Coquina variation3.jpg is scheduled to be Picture of the day on January 13, 2007, when it will be featured on the Main Page. Congratulations!  howch e  ng   {chat} 17:07, 14 December 2006 (UTC)

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 * Fixed! Debivort 20:50, 22 October 2006 (UTC)

The photographer
I dislike the presence of the scanning artifact, but would support a version without it, User:Debivort dixit. Well, it's done. - Alvesgaspar 18:43, 20 October 2006 (UTC)
 * I can still see the scan artifacts in the main version. Debivort 20:50, 22 October 2006 (UTC)

Mike Malloy 3RR
I have reported the user to administrators. If you want to help you can make an additional comment there. Thanks for reverting since I didn't want to risk breaking 3RR myself. Gdo01 00:43, 23 October 2006 (UTC)


 * Thanks for doing this. Its clear that Capsource1 has violated policy. An anonymous user reverted earlier today. I'll be sure to watch the page and revert if Capsource1 continues to post his unecessary information. Pumpkin Pi 02:13, 23 October 2006 (UTC)

List with icons
Say, what about this as a use for edibility icons? :)

[]

cheers Cas Liber 07:15, 26 October 2006 (UTC)


 * Nah, redlink ones are ones which ain't got no pages yet. There are hundreds of species and I am not familiar enough with them to know which are synonyms of others etc. Note that some redlinks do have edibility icons :) Cas Liber 07:42, 26 October 2006 (UTC)


 * Yeah, where i know what they are I would, otherwise an unknown icon if the literature says they're unknown. I have some books.....Cas Liber 06:05, 28 October 2006 (UTC)


 * OK, I went for it and stuck 'em onto Amanita and Boletus pages. I took out the species I couldn't find out about. They're not exhaustive lists anyway. Only thing is, looking at 'em all together is the similarity in colour between choice, edible and inedible. Question is, what colours? My old guidebooks had a mushroom icon for edible and a mushroom with two lines 'X'ed over them for inedible and mushroom in parentheses for edible after cooking, one book had one skull for poinsonous and two for deadly, the other book (Haas) had white skull and black skull. cheers Cas Liber 09:48, 2 November 2006 (UTC)

Image:Tetrahedral group 2.svg
Congratulations on your featured picture Image:Tetrahedral group 2.svg and thank you for making it. It certainly makes Symmetry group that much better. --MarSch 10:00, 26 October 2006 (UTC)

Your vote on Featured picture candidates/Dragonfly compound eye
Hi Debivort! I was wondering if you could specify your prefence (b/w the two versions) on the dragonfly compound eye FPC nom? Thanks, --Fir0002 08:05, 31 October 2006 (UTC)

Hey Debivort,
Re, I found out about the picture nomination by random wikisurfing! I think I've made comments that illuminate certain dark aspects regarding this picture and would like you to evaluate them and respond. Thanks! •N i k o S il v e r• 11:45, 6 November 2006 (UTC)

Reed Bed panorama
I have uploaded a new version on FPC, which you might check out. It addresses the concerns voiced by the opposers. Greetings, --Janke | Talk 15:30, 8 November 2006 (UTC)

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Mycomorphbox at Mycena
The template you added to Mycena lists the genus as Marasmius. I assume this is a copying error; and are the characteristics correct for this genus? I haven't changed it; please update either the name or the other information as appropriate. Rigadoun (talk) 21:42, 17 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Thanks for catching this. You are right it was a copy error. All the generic genus characteristics for marasmius and mycena are the same except for the cap shape (convex / conical) as far as I can tell. It is fixed now. Debivort 21:45, 17 November 2006 (UTC)

New mycomorphbox
I can see that the new ones are needed if there is more than one item in each criterion (mainly cap shape), and the other format can't support that. There is quite a bot of white space in the box, but making it narrower means it doesn't align nicely with the taxobox. Maybe on the left of the page instead (?). Depends hoe narrow it can be, only feasible on left if can be shrunk to 140px or less I guess. Sorry about delayed reply, just got back from a few days away....(and sifitng thru 500 emails..) cheers - Cas Liber 12:56, 18 November 2006 (UTC)

Poisonous Psilocybes?
You recently added mycoboxes to several articles including Psilocybe cubensis and other psychoactive mushrooms. Are these mushrooms poisonous in the sense that genuses such as Galerina or various Amanita are? It is fairly well agreed upon, I believe, that psilocybin mushrooms do not cause sickness (much less death), but rather an altered state of consciousness. Calling these mushrooms poisonous seems to be a point of view, albeit one supported by some authorities. However, there is no agreement in the mycological community, so far as I can ascertain, regarding the classification of these mushrooms as either poisonous or psychoactive in the hallucinogenic sense. Would it be possible to create a new category for the mycobox reflecting the edibility status of such mushrooms to something such as "psychoactive" or a similar term reflecting this? Wowbobwow12 01:45, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
 * I'd be happy to create a new category for the edibility of psilocybin mushroom species. I think that it would be simplest to call the category "psychoactive", since this term is (I believe) neutral yet inclusive of the full range of psychological effects. As for the accompanying image, I haven't figured out what would be appropriate.  Any ideas? Wowbobwow12 03:50, 29 November 2006 (UTC)


 * I think the psychoactivity image you created is perfect. Thanks for adding it to P. cubensis, etc.; I'll go ahead and do the same to other Psilocybe and Panaeolus species for which it would be pertinent. Wowbobwow12 01:22, 1 December 2006 (UTC)


 * I have gone ahead and changed all of the Psilocybe mushroom articles to edibility: psychoactive. However, when one clicks on edibility: psychoactive, it links to the mushroom poisoning article. I believe that linking to the psychedelic mushroom article would be more accurate, given the edibility category. Could you help me make this change? Wowbobwow12 19:06, 4 December 2006 (UTC)

dinosaur illustration needs
Hello Firsfron - I've been snooping through your Dinosaur efforts and am in awe. I was wondering you your effort wanted help in the form of illustrations? I enjoy tackling wikipedia requests and you can see the nicest examples here: radula, ascocarp,, and Symmetry_group. Let me know. Debivort 20:47, 30 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Hi Debivort,
 * Thanks so much for your nice note. Your message is like manna from heaven. Wikipedia has over 1,000 dinosaur articles, but only a hundred or so even have one illustration, despite the team's best efforts over the past year to collect photos.
 * One major issue is accuracy. Because dinosaur anatomy is an ever-changing field, WikiProject Dinosaurs has been hamstrung from the very beginning by outdated and inaccurate images. We're stuck using images from before 1923 in many instances, and while those are fine from an historic perspective, it would be great to have a modern illustration, too.
 * It is very difficult to find artists willing to put so much hard work into images, especially as a lot of the information is contradictory at times. I'm not sure if you are interested in illustrating dinosaurs, or stuff relating to dinosaurs, but there is a ton of work that has to be done, and even one image would be an improvement.
 * Where did you want to start? Thanks again for volunteering, Debivort! Firsfron of Ronchester  21:09, 30 November 2006 (UTC)


 * The only thing I can add is I feel it is best to start with the most complete skeletons as these are the ones we have least to guess with. Examples include Shunosaurus, Amargasaurus, Leptoceratops and Protoceratops. Some of these have illustrations already - will try to think of some others. cheers Cas Liber 22:56, 30 November 2006 (UTC)


 * I'm absolutely delighted you'll be doing some illustrations, Debivort! I've reviewed your images, and they look really good. Illustrations like the ones you have done, but for dinosaurs, would be a huge boon to our project. When I was looking at the snail, it made me wonder if you could do something similar for a dinosaur? Like a cutaway, showing the innards. Much of dinosaur soft anatomy is speculation, based on living relatives and fossil impressions, since the organs don't normally fossilize. But skull cross-sections, or something along those lines, would be great. A Google search doesn't pull up much, but maybe you'll understand what the heck I'm talking about. If you'd rather not do that, you could, of course, illustrate any of the dinosaurs on the List of dinosaurs. Most of the articles have no illustrations whatsoever, and many that do only have pictures of the fossils themselves.
 * Some simple tips for illustrating dinosaurs include things like:


 * Make sure theropod dinosaurs aren't shown with pronated (palms downward) hands (a very common blunder in dinosaur illustration)
 * Make sure theropod dinosaurs are illustrated with feathers, if they're on the Feathered dinosaurs page, or closely related to these groups
 * Make sure theropod tails are depicted as fairly stiff, not snake-like, unless they are Herrerasaurids, which may not actually be theropods
 * Nodosaur tails don't get clubs, while other ankylosaurs do
 * Try to make sure whatever reconstruction you're using, it is fairly up to date.
 * Try to stay away from the dinosaurs in the Category:Invalid dinosaurs category, unless you are a glutton for punishment.
 * I have a specific list of dinosaurs for which illustrations would be good (such as Eoraptor, as we recently lost the image), if this is all too vague. Again, thanks. Firsfron of Ronchester  23:08, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for your notes, Debivort. Diplodocus is one dinosaur we will want to send to Featured Article candidacy fairly soon. It would be nice if we had a skull-cross section (or a tail cross-section, or...), but, honestly, anything you could do would be great. I'm not sure if cross-section images like this are even available on-line, but that is one route. Additionally, it would be really nice if you could illustrate some random genera. Thank you. WikiProject Dinosaurs/Image review is the place to go for review of preliminary and final versions of the images. Yes, any illustration of theropods where the hand are curled downward ("bunny hands") is no longer considered accurate, at least by many/most paleontologists since some papers by Sereno in 1996. Back around March, we purged dozens of pictures that would otherwise have been acceptable. this, not this. They should be in a "shaking hands" position instead of "bunny hands", if that's more clear. Firsfron of Ronchester  04:02, 1 December 2006 (UTC)
 * You're quick, Debivort!
 * I couldn't find a decent on-line cross-section of a Diplodocus skull, and although I have a really nice dinosaur book with lovely skull (and body) cross-sections, there isn't one for Diplodocus. So, that idea is out the window (for now). Would it be possible for you to do, say, a nice scale model for Diplodocus, similar to the one shown on the Stegosaurus page? It would show a side-view of Dippy in comparison with a human. Could you do it? As far as dinosaur genera, you are more than welcome to sift thru the huge List of dinosaurs, but here is a brief list of dinosaurs for which Wikipedia has no images: Barosaurus, Riojasaurus, Lufengosaurus, Heterodontosaurus, and Lambeosaurus. There are a thousand others (literally), but these are, I believe, among the best-known, so it should be fairly easy to illustrate them. Feel free to contact me at any time; I really appreciate your efforts! Best, Firsfron of Ronchester  07:38, 3 December 2006 (UTC)

List of Cortinarius species
Like List of Russula species, this is gonna turn into a monster list............Cas Liber 02:58, 2 December 2006 (UTC)

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Leaf shape chart
I was wondering if it was possible to separate the stem placement terms (whorled, alternate, opposite, rosette, possibly perfoliate [maybe add decussate too?]) from leaf shape, because any shape of leave can be alternate, or whorled... "Disposition" would make a good header for that. Circeus 13:25, 4 December 2006 (UTC)

Dino images
Debivort, Thanks for your kind words. For Heterodontosaurus, sorry I've already done it (check on the image review page) but I am happy to let you do the others. I very much like your Diplodocus size comparison graph. Very neat. Will you be able to do something similar for other dinosaur genera ? Your Eoraptor in motion is cute too. Great work. ArthurWeasley 17:55, 6 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Unfortunately, there is no wishlist of the most wanted dino illustrations. You'll have to go through the List of dinosaurs and check each individual entries to see if image is missing. Check also the WikiProject Dinosaurs/Dinosaur collaboration page. This is where you could find a short list of dinosaur articles that people would like to have improved (you are welcome to vote). Size comparison charts would be nice for the next winner (looks like there is a tie between Iguanodon, Triceratops and Ankylosaurus). A sign up sheet for dino illustration is a good idea, you might want to propose it on the WikiProject Dinosaurs page. In the meantime, we could just let each other informed of our intentions. In the near future to-do list, I have Lystrosaurus (not a dino, already have a sketch), Cynognathus (not a dino), Agustinia, Scelidosaurus, Polacanthus, Tsintaosaurus, Pachycephalosaurus, Einiosaurus, Elasmosaurus (not a dino), Iguanodon, Irritator, Ornitholestes (redo), a few pterosaurs, and some prehistoric mammals, birds, different archosaurs and marine reptiles. I have a tendancy not to stick strictly to the list depending on the mood but I'll keep you informed and send you a note before starting a sketch of something not listed here ArthurWeasley 19:03, 6 December 2006 (UTC)
 * I've just created a to do list page on my user page: User:ArthurWeasley/To do list. I took the liberty of adding your to-do list so that I know what not to do. Please feel free to update when needed. ArthurWeasley 19:13, 6 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Thanks for coordinating efforts like this. I'm absolutely delighted at this turn of events: two artists illustrating the articles! Please don't stop illustrating dinosaur articles, though, Debivort! Even with a talented artist like Arthur, we are still woefully under-illustrated. We need your talents! :) Firsfron of Ronchester  19:25, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

Debivort, I've put a note on the WikiProject Dinosaurs page. Hope others will found this to be useful. I am totally in support of Firs' comment: we need your talents. Your illustrations are awesome and I don't speak solely for your dino ones. ArthurWeasley 22:40, 6 December 2006 (UTC)
 * "a talented artist like Arthur", Firs, I feel so flattered! Thank you. ArthurWeasley 22:40, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

James Watson
I've shaken hands with James Watson. Which one? -Spyforthemoon 19:56, 6 December 2006 (UTC)
 * This one. Will DAB my user page at some point. Debivort 20:19, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

Award!
Hi Debivort,

I just wanted to take a moment and thank you for your great illustrations. Thanks for sticking with us. Also, welcome to WikiProject Dinosaurs! It's great to have you aboard! Best wishes, Firsfron of Ronchester  19:09, 8 December 2006 (UTC)

Noasaurus
Hi Debivort! This is the best reconstruction of Noasaurus out there, though since no other fingers are known it's hard to tell how/if the claw may have stood out. Masiakasaurus is a close relative, so it may help you fill in the blanks.Dinoguy2 04:26, 12 December 2006 (UTC)
 * If I were doing the drawing, I'd probably give it the outward-pointing teeth. However, there's no evidence of the jaws in Noasaurus, or any other noasaurid besides Masiakasaurus, and it's entirely possible that the latter's unique jaw adaptations were not shared by other noasaurids. so, it's up to the artist. Which do you like better? I'd support the inclusion of either version in the article :) Dinoguy2 20:11, 15 December 2006 (UTC)

Thanks
Hi Debivort!

Thankd for reorganizing the WP:Dinosaur page. Looks much better. You know, we've been adding and adding to that page for a year, now, and things tend to get disorganized after a while... Firsfron of Ronchester 04:12, 14 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Seems just fine to me. At least, I don't notice anything wonky. Firsfron of Ronchester  05:41, 14 December 2006 (UTC)

Spam links on mushroom pages - reply
Sorry, am a bit incommunicado currently. Had a quick look and agree the link is tenuous at best. Only on dialup and have a load to do but the link on mycology was dead anyway. Agree that ditching was probably warranted/ cheers Cas Liber 14:07, 14 December 2006 (UTC)

cameron crazies
thanks for changin my edit to the cameron crazies article. i understand why you did it. i just thought it would be interesting to put up there as i am a student at the cba. there's nowhere i can get a citation, and i knew i probably needed one anyway, i was reluctant to make the edit actually. thanks anyway. 68.38.167.15 23:57, 16 December 2006 (UTC)

Dinosaur images
Hey Debivort,

I've left some feedback for your Udanoceratops image. Hope I didn't come across as too critical. I always worry about that. :/

BTW, your edit summary here cracked me up. "Product placement" indeed. Actually, even though very few dinosaurs are known from Australia, Qantassaurus isn't the only example of an Aussie dinosaur named after a company: Atlascopcosaurus is another.

Best wishes, Firsfron of Ronchester  21:43, 17 December 2006 (UTC)

Jewel Beetle picture
Thank you for your welcome note and pointing out that I had removed an earlier image. That was totally unintended - I am not sure now how it happened but I had some trouble getting images to sit well on the page and it must have occurred while I was doing this. Oops! Thanks so much for restoring it!!! John Hill 04:47, 18 December 2006 (UTC)

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Mycomorphbox
Please upload images to Commons. Your work is being used in other Wikipedias too. Otherwise, it's splendid. --Eleassar my talk 16:25, 19 December 2006 (UTC)


 * Ok, I see you did that for some. Thanks very much. I've uploaded some others although I have not provided such a fine description as you did. --Eleassar my talk 16:36, 19 December 2006 (UTC)


 * Do you know perhaps what should be done so that the template recognises .svg images that have been uploaded to Commons? --Eleassar my talk 14:47, 20 December 2006 (UTC)

Virgin, child and St. Anne
You suggested I downsample this image I nominated. This has been done, but now the support is ambiguous - could you qualify your vote for/against the edit? Leon 01:03, 25 December 2006 (UTC)

Merry Christmas!

 * Merry Christmas and Happy Holidays ! | A ndonic O Talk 01:04, 15 December 2006 (UTC)

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Template:Mycomorphbox
Hi Debivort, the images will have to be replaced by commons images. I do not seek any goodness in reverting the changes. I would say to make appropriate changes in the template to remove the non-english word. Could you make some changes in the template to solve this problem. I would request you for not reverting changes which will cause to restore the images which are already available on commons. Regards, Shyam  ( T / C ) 07:55, 1 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Thanks for your message. The image was available in svg format on commons with the same name. Someone has tagged the images to the different image name on commons which were not suitable to the transcluded template easily. Sorry to being bothered you. Shyam  ( T / C ) 06:37, 5 January 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for all of your work on the Mycomorphbox. One thing it really needs, though, is more spore colors. "Brown" covers several distinctive and ID/taxonomically-important spore colors. (For example, purple-brown vs reddish-brown spore print is one of the main ways of telling Psilocybe from Galerina.) I suggest adding "purple-brown" (or alternately "blackish-brown", which is close to the same, or maybe a more general "dark brown") and "reddish-brown". (Keep "brown" for medium-brown colored spore prints.) – All the best – Peter G Werner 06:04, 11 January 2007 (UTC)

items for discussion on wikiproject fungi talk page
Hi, I have put 2 subjects for discussion on the Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Fungi talk page concerning common names and species lists for discussion in order to get some consensus and then they can go on the guidelines on the project page. cheers Cas Liber 11:03, 4 January 2007 (UTC)

Fungi lists
Sorry re belated reply - we now have a category to stick fungal lists on :) cheers, Cas Liber 08:31, 8 January 2007 (UTC) Category:Lists of fungal species

Wikipedia Fungus Collaboration as of Jan 2007
DYK there are no fungal Featured Articles on wikipedia at all? I've modelled this on the dinosaur collaboration which has yielded a few FAs. Please have a look and cast your vote and we'll try a concerted attempt at an FA. Link here......Fungi Collaboration

(hope I got all the templates right...) cheers Cas Liber 03:18, 10 January 2007 (UTC)

Barnstar
Thanks! ArthurWeasley 08:04, 12 January 2007 (UTC)

Mycomorphbox colors/Sporocarp and related articles
OK, for the mycomorphbox colors, I'd add blackish-brown, reddish-brown, green (needed for Chlorophyllum molybdetes), and yellow-orange (found in some Russula). The name "salmon" you might change to "pinkish-brown" to reflect the range of such tones seen in the Entolomataceae and the Pluteaceae.

Also, there's been a bunch of low-level and scattered discussion as to what to do with the articles fruiting body, sporocarp, basidiocarp, and ascocarp. I have a comprehensive plan for these articles at Talk:Sporocarp. Have a look at this proposal and weigh in on it if you have an opinion. Peter G Werner 17:59, 12 January 2007 (UTC)

Telomere photo
How embarrassing. I'm so used to sulphur being yellow that my fingers typed it even while my brain thought phosphorous. Thanks for catching that! TimVickers 18:37, 12 January 2007 (UTC)
 * I made a new version you might like more than the original. link. Thanks. TimVickers 18:01, 13 January 2007 (UTC)

Help with a prolific spammer
When I logged in, I saw that the problem had already been solved. But then I started wondering, why aren't you an administrator yet ? In my opinion, you certainly fit the profile and it would make it much easier for you to deal with vandals. If you're willing, I can submit a request for adminship. You certainly deserve it. Just give me a sign and I will nominate you.

JoJan 09:24, 6 February 2007 (UTC)

Adminship ?
Knowing you as a trustworthy, high-quality contributor, I would have no qualms proposing you for administratorship. But now that I’ve been looking into your stats, things look a bit differently. You have made at this point a total of 1877 edits. This could be a serious obstacle for many voters (when I was nominated, I had already over 9,000 edits). Nominees with lower edit counts are less likely to succeed, but still have a small chance if voters are willing to take into account the quality of the edits. I suggest you read Guide to requests for adminship. This will give you a good idea how the process works. There is no rush and it’s better to get it right the first time. Just let me know. JoJan 09:44, 14 February 2007 (UTC)

Requested image
And now another matter. Recently I wrote the article Anterior cervical discectomy and fusion (saving a stub from a speedy delete). As this is a rather technical article, I searched for a fitting image on the Commons but I could find none. Then I thought of you. You have already provided the article Radula with fitting illustrations. I wonder I you could do the same for this article. The exterior links of the article give very good illustrations of the cervical vertebrae and how the operation is performed. Perhaps you can take a look at them and give me your opinion.

As to the requested colored illustrations, I was thinking along the following lines :
 * 1) a drawing of the cervical vertebrae with the cervical discs, spinal cord, nerve roots and foramens
 * 2) a drawing of a disc with the nucleus pulposus (jelly-like substance) and the annulus (outer ring) in the normal state
 * 3) the same drawing but with the nucleus (slightly) bulging out and touching a nerve root
 * 4) the same drawing as (1) but with seen in front and with the disc removed, so that one can see the nerve roots situated between the back of the (removed) disc and the spine. This would illustrate very well how a small bulge of the disc readily touches the nerve root and can cause this immense pain.  JoJan 19:16, 7 February 2007 (UTC)


 * The drawings with a top view of a vertebra and the disc are even better than I imagined. They can be used for any vertebra, cervical or lumbar. However I would suggest a deep yellow color for the spinal nerve (as to put emphasis on the nerve) and another color for the foramen (perhaps a very light yellow or an even better contrasting color). As for the requested drawing (1): take a look at under the heading "Cervical pain".  As to drawing (4) I think it's better to give at least one drawing of the surgical procedure as shown in Image C..  JoJan 09:44, 11 February 2007 (UTC)


 * You should label the oblique view with the necessary elements : vertebra, disc, nucleus pulposus, annulus, spinal nerve, foramen, spinous process and spinal marrow. And again, it looks very good JoJan 06:01, 12 February 2007 (UTC)


 * As expected, the drawings are marvelous. One more small request : in Image:ACDF coronal.png, could you extract the left image as a copy (= the normal situation of the vertebra) and re-upload it as an independent image. This way it can also be used in anatomical articles about the spine and the vertebrae. And last but not least, upload all the images to the Commons. I would also suggest to upload as well all the drawings without text to the Commons, so that wikipedians in other languages can use them as well (by adding text in their own language). Well done and thanks ! JoJan 09:42, 14 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Thanks for your efforts. I placed the illustrations in different articles. I also put them in several categories in the Commons. JoJan 13:32, 16 February 2007 (UTC)

Re: Rollercoaster Retard
Well yeah but come on look at him! --⁪froth T 08:04, 10 February 2007 (UTC)

FPC
You say the image of the Burrard Street bridge is unfixable. I was wondering if you knew of how to fix it. I did some googleing, and the results looked promising. How would you usually go about fixing artifacts? -- Selmo  (talk) 03:57, 16 February 2007 (UTC)
 * All I've got is the original JPEG from my camera, though that had a bit of image noise... --  Selmo  (talk) 04:25, 16 February 2007 (UTC)
 * I'll take a look, and do a rehoot. Thanks, for the help. -- Selmo  (talk) 04:31, 16 February 2007 (UTC)

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Your note re: Battlestar Galactica
Hello... I saw your note regarding the Battlestar Galactica article. If you're referring to this edit, I believe that you may have misread the edit history. As my comment ("Undid revision 109341872 by 69.77.132.17 (talk) rm. trivia") states, I only removed some trivia from the article, in this case a note about a mention of BSG on The Office. This is in keeping with Wikipedia guidelines on avoiding trivia. Thethinredline's work on the "Theology" section hasn't been altered. --Ckatz chat spy  20:32, 19 February 2007 (UTC)

Lists of fungal species
Why is this talk page in the Category: Lists of fungal species ??

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RE: thanks for the block
Hi TigerShark - thanks for responding so quickly to my request for admin intervention on User:65.197.95.190. Just for my curiosity, is the standard that a vandals being malicious after just coming off a block can be blocked again without warning? Thanks again! Debivort 22:17, 28 February 2007 (UTC)
 * No problem. Whether a block should be applied without another warning is a little bit of a grey area but, in this case, the number of recent blocks combined with the fact that the new edits are all vandalism warrants an immediate block in my opinion. The block is for anonymous users only, so there should be no collateral damage. However in most cases another final warning is probably appropriate, and it is better to err on the side of caution. Cheers TigerShark 22:23, 28 February 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for the new mycomorphboxes
Thanks for the new mycomorphboxes in the Gymnopilus luteofolius and Gymnopilus spectabilis articles.

I did have a question about them though - for both, you put the edibility as "poisonous or psychoactive". I have heard that they can be psychoactive or just bitter, but are you sure they can be poisonous? Where did that info come from?

Thanks

Alan Rockefeller (Talk - contribs) 19:53, 7 March 2007 (UTC)

List of people with heterochromia
I reverted your addition of McIlrath to that page. I appreciate that you attempted to source it (several people have tried to add him before without doing so), but unfortunately photos of him that appear to have two different-colored eyes aren't enough to satisfy WP:RS. Those require subjective interpretation, and it's possible that an effect is just a trick of the light, or a result of the application of specialty contact lenses (like Marilyn Manson wears), or a different condition entirely. What we need is a mainstream article that attributes the condition to him, or an interview where he talks about it, something like that. I've looked through a bunch unsuccessfully trying to find one, so if you could point one out, I'd be grateful. -Hit bull, win steak(Moo!) 13:59, 21 March 2007 (UTC)

Batu Lintang camp
Thanks for your eagle-eyed edit, Debivort Jasper33 20:05, 22 March 2007 (UTC) PS Cool user page! Jasper33 20:07, 22 March 2007 (UTC)
 * I would love to improve the article and possibly put it up for FA: however, there's only two of us adding content (me and User:Grant65) so I feel all at sea! User:Camptown suggested that a peer review might be the first step. Would you be interested? Cheers, Jasper33 10:01, 23 March 2007 (UTC)

Mycomorphbox redux
I'll add a box for Tricholoma pardinum when I get a minute, but it's going to take a bit of research. This species doesn't seem to have as much on-line "scientific" (as opposed to casual) documentation as one might expect from its nasty reputation for causing severe GI distress. Some of the box entries may therefore be a bit tentative. If you find something there before I do, by all means feel free. -- Bill-on-the-Hill 01:56, 23 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Your example looks good, but rather than simply omitting a trait, it would be better to have an option for "don't know" or "awaiting research" or something like that. I haven't seen any papers stating that T. pardinum is mycorrhizal, for example, but I'd bet that it is, and a diligent search might turn something up.  Leaving this as something "to be added" (maybe the best option) would tee it up as needing some help.  Who "owns" the template and could do that?
 * BTW, I was intrigued to see references to Wilson Peak, El Diente and Mount Sneffels on your user page -- 14ering is a long-standing passion of mine, and El Diente is one of only 8 or 9 Colorado 14ers that I have not climbed, despite three attempts. I've toyed with improving some of the Colorado mountain articles, but there are only so many hours in a day ... -- Bill-on-the-Hill 14:41, 23 March 2007 (UTC)
 * I think "To be added" is right, maybe represented by a question mark superposed on a broad, light green arrow. I'm not graphics-literate or I'd make one.  Maybe you can do better.
 * Stuck at base camp once on El Diente due to weather; made a route-finding booboo another time; the third, I stared at the Mount Wilson-El Diente traverse after summiting the former and said "Nah..." Similar stories with Kit Carson, BTW; I've failed four times to get up that one, despite having climbed the Crestones.  As for yours, I met my wife while climbing Wilson Peak, and later, she would summit Sneffels with me while pregnant (her, not me!). -- Bill-on-the-Hill 17:11, 23 March 2007 (UTC)

vandalism
i'm sorry it must've been my mistake i just was trying to erase the idiotic comment by User:Bat man2244