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Land of Destiny
Website: www.landofdestiny.com

Status: Open Beta

Developer: BasTijs

Description: Land of Destiny is a browser-based strategy game set in medieval times.

Development: Land of Destiny (LoD) was a project started in 2007. BasTijs was the only coder and artist for the project, which reached fulfillment in summer, 2008, when the game was released for Closed Alpha Testing. The game rapidly gained followers, with only one hundred people being allowed to Alpha Test the game. Rapidly fixing bugs and adding new features, LoD became fully-playable in late 2008, and BasTijs announced the release date for Open Beta on December 19th. With over 4000 registered users, LoD is a rapidly growing community, still looking for new gamers to shape its history.

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Population: 750+ registered players

Significance of Article
Speedy Deletion: "A7 applies only to articles about web content or articles on people and organizations themselves," Land of Destiny is a computer game; therefore its subject is not a person or organization.

Importance: Land of Destiny is a high-quality browser-based game with over 4000 users. The purpose of this article is to provide a short description of the game, and is linked-to by List_of_MMOGs and List_of_multiplayer_browser_games. --Diego Bank (talk) 14:20, 3 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Great. Add two or three reviews of the game in significant game magazines or web pages, and you'll show notability for this game, thus avoiding deletion.  -FisherQueen (talk · contribs) 14:45, 3 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Adding citations; I will get you and User:Wyatt_Riot to review the article when I feel that I have significant references. Diego Bank (talk) 16:59, 28 December 2008 (UTC)

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For guidelines on specific types of articles, you may want to check out our criteria for biographies, for web sites, for bands, or for companies. Feel free to leave a note on my talk page if you have any questions about this. Diego Bank (talk) 14:16, 3 December 2008 (UTC)

Speedy deletion of Land of Destiny
A tag has been placed on Land of Destiny requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done under section A7 of the criteria for speedy deletion, because the article appears to be about web content, but it does not indicate how or why the subject is important or significant: that is, why an article about that subject should be included in an encyclopedia. Under the criteria for speedy deletion, such articles may be deleted at any time. Please see the guidelines for what is generally accepted as notable, as well as our subject-specific notability guideline for web content.

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Land of Destiny
Website: www.landofdestiny.com

Developer: BasTijs

Description: Land of Destiny is a free online strategy game set in medieval times.

Development: Land of Destiny (LoD) was a project started in 2007. BasTijs was the only coder and artist for the project, which reached fulfillment in summer, 2008, when the game was released for Closed Alpha Testing. The game rapidly gained followers, with only one hundred people being allowed to Alpha Test the game. Rapidly fixing bugs and adding new features, LoD became fully-playable in late 2008, and BasTijs announced the release date for Open Beta on December 19th. With over 4000 registered users, LoD is a rapidly growing community, still looking for new gamers to shape its history.

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Significance of Article
Speedy Deletion: "A7 applies only to articles about web content or articles on people and organizations themselves," Land of Destiny is a computer game; therefore its subject is not a person or organization.

Importance: Land of Destiny is a high-quality browser-based game with over 4000 users. The purpose of this article is to provide a short description of the game, and is linked-to by List_of_MMOGs and List_of_multiplayer_browser_games. --Diego Bank (talk) 14:20, 3 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Great. Add two or three reviews of the game in significant game magazines or web pages, and you'll show notability for this game, thus avoiding deletion.  -FisherQueen (talk · contribs) 14:45, 3 December 2008 (UTC)

Deletion
I have recently had my article on Land of Destiny deleted (a game I am co-developing, which now has over 4000 registered users). This was because it was short-listed for deletion automatically, and when I had written my validation, the page no longer existed. After reading the applicable rules, I remade the page with my validation, and it was deleted a second time, for the same reason. I would like to know what I am doing wrong so that I can amend whatever was insulting in my formatting. Finally, the back-up on my personal talk-page was deleted without reason, so I feel that I should receive an explanation. Diego Bank (talk) 00:33, 9 December 2008 (UTC)
 * If you've carefully read WP:WEB and WP:COI, then I think you already know that the problem is not in your formatting. This doesn't appear to be a topic that is so significant that an international encyclopedia would need an article about it.  If it becomes notable in the future, you can be sure that someone who wasn't involved in developing the game will think it's important enough to write about, too, and you won't need to lift a finger. -FisherQueen (talk · contribs) 01:17, 9 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the response. Diego Bank (talk) 17:11, 9 December 2008 (UTC)


 * I concur with FisherQueen, and have nominated the article for deletion at AFD (not for speedy deletion). You can comment there.  NawlinWiki (talk) 23:38, 2 January 2009 (UTC)

Spam on your User talk page
It appears to be an article-under-construction, but I would strongly suggest removing that image, especially since it's labelled an "Advertisement Banner". Advertisements are not allowed on Wikipedia. Wyatt Riot (talk) 04:15, 12 December 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for the tip Diego Bank (talk) 13:59, 18 December 2008 (UTC)

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Land of Destiny

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Although the author has added some sources, which saves this from *speedy* deletion, I don't think any of the cited sources count as reliable for our purposes. This is a MMPORG which just began operations a couple of weeks ago. I don't think it meets WP:WEB. NawlinWiki (talk) 23:36, 2 January 2009 (UTC)
 * I disagree with the proposed-deletion of this article. The game, Land of Destiny, is not a MMPORG, it is a PBBG, also falling-under the categories of MMORPG and MMORTS, it allows gameplay in a "massively multiplayer" environment (currently 1540 play on the same map). The Wikipedia listing of multiplayer browser-based games uses similar submissions which required extensive sourcing to be listed (e.g. Kdice, NukeZone, Ogame, Utopia_(online_game), and Orion%27s_Belt_(game)). I do note the problem of many sources being dependent on the developers. Are the current references considered trivial due to their "brief summary of the nature of the content [of the site]"? While high-profile publications pertaining to Land of Destiny do verify the site's existence, I do not feel that a review on a website commonly associated with retail-reviews (such as Gamespot or PCGamer) would attract the game's target audience, as the more "high profile" the website, the better graphics readers are expecting. Yet a browser-based game is, by definition, a non-retail game which can be played without downloads. Exactly the genre that is considered "insignificant" by MMORPG-standards. This is likely why the game has received coverage and reviews on websites which promote free-to-play games, instead of high-profile websites promoting cutting-edge MMOGs. Diego Bank (talk) 00:46, 3 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Regarding the "newness" of the game, Land of Destiny has been in development since 2007, and Alpha-Testing began in April, 2008. There have been appproximately four rounds of Alpha Test (the more recent at accelerated gamespeeds), and of the last round, I found the gameplay similar (perhaps preferable) to the game's closest relatives - Travian (500,000+ users), Tribal Wars (500,000+ users), Ikariam (size unknown), and Damoria (100,000+ users). I find that the latter three are unlisted on Wikipedia. Perhaps due to their browser-based status? Is there a way to attach this article to the List_of_multiplayer_browser_games article? Diego Bank (talk) 00:46, 3 January 2009 (UTC)

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Land of Destiny
Land of Destiny is a browser-based strategy game set in medieval times. BasTijs is the lead developer of the game, which has over 50,000 registered users. Gameplay focuses on the economy, war, and expansion in a multi-user environment. The game was released to the public on December 19th, 2008.

About
Status: Open Beta

Synopsis: Land of Destiny is a browser-based strategy game set in medieval times.

Development: The Land of Destiny (LoD) project began in 2007, as a hobby of its creator, BasTijs. In April, 2008, the game entered Closed Alpha Test involving approximately 100 testers. In August, 2008, there was a large update. After fixing major bugs and adding new features to the game, Land of Destiny was improved for its public-release on December 19th. The game is now open to the public and has 24888 players in-game as of June 29, 2009 (an increase from 1400 players in-game as of January 1, 2009).

Gameplay
Early-Game: Players start with control of a single village, located on the world map. As players complete the in-game quests/objectives, their village can progress to become a mass-producer of raw and manufactured resources. The goal of each player may vary, but improving your village's economy lies at the heart of the game. Players leave newbie protection after ten days (or when a weaponsmith is built), and can then participate in inter-player warfare. Attacking other players can generate high profits, yet players are also prone to attack you to acquire your resources. There are various strategies to defending, and combat is affected not only by troops, but also by weather-patterns and in-game seasonal changes (seasons each lasting one week).

Mid-Game: Advanced players can also expand to new territory by training settlers (or conquering other players' villages and outposts). For example: At the time of that this article was typed, the writer had only his starting village. However, his first settler has just been trained, and he has the ability to found an outpost. Now he has just created the second outpost - ever created - in the game (as of January 2, 2008).

End-Game: Still in development.

Unique
There are four features which make Land of Destiny unique:

1) A manufacturing system, inspired by The Settlers, allows players to create advanced items from their raw resources. This includes such products as beer, planks, and building-specific tools.

2) The Imperial Protection system gives newbies optional soft-caps against being repeatedly raided.

3) Seasons and weather play an active part in the game. During winter, farms do not produce grain, during storms, attackers suffer a loss to morale. Studying the seasonal changes can help players gain an advantage in-game.

4) Players can stack armies from multiple armies and villages to form defense-networks or military camps, thus decreasing the need for military micro-management.

Significance of Article
Speedy Deletion: "A7 applies only to articles about web content or articles on people and organizations themselves," Land of Destiny is a computer game; therefore its subject is not a person or organization.

Importance: Land of Destiny is a high-quality browser-based game with over 4000 users. The purpose of this article is to provide a short description of the game, and is linked-to by List_of_MMOGs and List_of_multiplayer_browser_games. --Diego Bank (talk) 14:20, 3 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Great. Add two or three reviews of the game in significant game magazines or web pages, and you'll show notability for this game, thus avoiding deletion.  -FisherQueen (talk · contribs) 14:45, 3 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Adding citations; I will get you and User:Wyatt_Riot to review the article when I feel that I have significant references. Diego Bank (talk) 16:59, 28 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Added. We now have reliable gaming-websites as citations, and quite a few of them! I'm going to make a list of other browser-based games which do not have as much citation (in order to compare with the quality of references required to be taken off the to-delete list. Diego Bank (talk) 23:45, 1 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Here are some pages on Wiki which cover other browser-based games, three of which I have played: Kdice, NukeZone, Ogame, Utopia_(online_game), and Orion%27s_Belt_(game). Should I put up some user-guides in this article? Definitely. (Ah - nope - apparently we can't have manuals or references to forum-posts.)

I would like to add a section on "Notable Players of 2008" (ie. Longest-Active, Winner of Alpha Test, First to Write a Guide, and First to Found an Empire). Not sure if this breaches anything, but it would provide more background on the Land of Destiny community. Diego Bank (talk) 03:07, 2 January 2009 (UTC)

How does this look (will it get Speedy Deletion)?

Article-in-Progress
 * Almost certainly. Per Notability, articles should have multiple references from reliable, third-party published sources with a reputation for fact-checking and accuracy and there should be text indicating what makes the subject notable and encyclopedic. I would strongly suggest looking for some higher-profile references and write a few paragraphs about the game itself. You'll probably want to look through our Manual of Style for some tips on how an article should be organized. Let me know and I'll look it over again! :) Wyatt Riot (talk) 20:34, 24 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Edited. I'd like to have this article added by Friday. Also - how do I cite the number of players registered in-game, when the only way to count them is to look at the in-game rankings? The homepage states the number of "registered" accounts, but this is less than the actual number of players in-game. Thankfully - many other browser-games do not need very much referencing. This should look better now (see article above). Diego Bank (talk) 00:32, 2 January 2009 (UTC)
 * There's really no way to cite in-game players unless it's mentioned by a reliable source. A high number of registered accounts can help towards proving notability but it doesn't necessarily mean anything.
 * As for the article you have, I'd try to bulk up and copyedit the Development section a little. You'll need a lead section explaining more about the game itself, too. The How to Play section isn't necessary, because it currently violates WP:EL (in this case, because it has links to forums) and WP:NOT (Wikipedia is not a manual, guidebook, or textbook). As for the formatting, I'd strongly suggest using the Infobox video game template (like on the World of Warcraft article) and filling in the blanks. I hope this helps! Wyatt Riot (talk) 00:49, 2 January 2009 (UTC)
 * I enjoy reading the lead section to the lead section. Thank you for your wonderful help; I shall read these. Diego Bank (talk) 01:50, 2 January 2009 (UTC)
 * I have added each of the things which you told me to add. Thank you for your help. I am not sure if I should keep the 'Gameplay' and 'Unique' sections of this article, as I feel they are positively-biased towards the game. Please tell me whether these should be kept, and whether there is anything else I should know before submitting the Article? Diego Bank (talk) 06:12, 2 January 2009 (UTC)

Suggestion on article
Take a look at wp:rs what we look for is reliable 3rd party coverage. let me know if you have questions. There is a road, No simple Highway (talk) 06:04, 29 June 2009 (UTC)


 * I agree. You need to cite reliable independent sources to show notability per WP:WEB. NawlinWiki (talk) 21:22, 30 June 2009 (UTC)

The very hungry caterpillar
Hi, I was a bit confused by all the game stuff, but anyways, I have come to talk to you about something else. Was the comment on the discussion page about The very Hungry Caterpillar genuine? If you like the book and want to make the article good, I'd appreciate it if you could remove the comment and put something constructive about the article down instead since the discussion page policy is it's for discussion of the article and not the subject itself, in this case Eric Carles book. I am not the person to delete it - it's the job of yourself or an admin really. I'd thought about it and decided to be good! Kathybramley (talk) 08:42, 8 April 2011 (UTC)

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