User talk:Doug Weller/Archive 51

Wikidata weekly summary #317
Here's your quick overview of what has been happening around Wikidata over the last week. 
 * Discussions
 * New request for comments: Clarifying rights and responsibilities of Property Creators


 * Events
 * Wikibase meetup on June 17-19 in Berlin
 * Past: Wikidata Lab VIII in São Paulo
 * Images, metadata, and gamification of Wikidata by Magnus Manske (video, slides)
 * Discovering and modeling knowledge in Wikidata by Andrew Lih (video, slides)


 * Press, articles, blog posts
 * WDAqua: Question Answering over Wikidata, by Dennis Diefenbach
 * CyTargetLinker app update: A flexible solution for network extension in Cytoscape, showing citation data in Cytoscape, by Martina Summer-Kutmon et al.
 * Harnessing the power of structured data: a Wikidata workshop, report of the Wikidata workshop day and Wikidata presence at EuropeanaTech 2018 last May in Rotterdam, Europeana Blog.
 * The new This Month in GLAM newsletter has, as always, a lot of Wikidata-related news!
 * Making Wikidata fit as a linking hub for knowledge organization systems. Lightning talk at ELAG 2018 in Prague by Jneubert


 * Other Noteworthy Stuff
 * The program of Wikimania 2018 in Cape Town is out, and here's a summary of all the Wikidata-related sessions
 * If you're building a tool using wb_terms database table, please give us input about it


 * Did you know?


 * Newest properties:
 * General datatypes: type locality (biology), SPARQL endpoint, display technology, property scope, jockey, attested in, publication in which this taxon name was established, revival or touring version of, United Kingdom railway station category
 * External identifiers: Redump.org ID, Taratata artist ID, NRJ artist ID, Akout ID, Church of Norway building ID, Lafonoteca artist ID, Party Number (Taiwan), Companies House officer ID, Webb-site person ID, AntWeb ID, Webb-site organization ID, France Culture person ID, B.R.A.H.M.S. work ID, DLCM ID, LONSEA people ID, Dictionary of Scottish Architects ID, Drouot artist ID, Protected Buildings Register in Finland ID, Kino-teatr.ua film ID, Kino-teatr.ua person ID, Protected Buildings Register in Finland Building ID, BioStor work ID, Swedish Signaturer.se ID, César Award film ID, César Award person ID, IUF member ID, Museo del Prado artist ID, Swedish National Archive ID, Swedish Academy member ID, fernsehserien.de ID, ARMB member ID, OCLC work ID, OpenDOAR ID


 * New property proposals to review:
 * General datatypes: runner-up, laps completed, load limit, abgeordnetenwatch.de ID for German politicians, API endpoint, type of water, ranking order, JMA Seismic Intensity Scale
 * External identifiers: Rom Galil settlement ID, Or Movement settlement ID, Bérose ID, AFI person ID, Google News ID, Legaseriea.it ID, Silentera.com movie ID, PC Engine Software Bible identifier, CAGE code, Printemps des poètes ID, Poetry Foundation ID, Poets.org ID, Playmates ID, SGJP Online ID, Laut.de ID, Amphibian Species of World ID, The Encyclopedia of Science Fiction ID, BNB person ID, MobyGames group ID, Operone composer ID, Operone opera ID, Encyclopædia Universalis author ID, YouTube Gaming game ID, National Gallery of Canada artist ID, GAMECIP platform ID, GAMECIP media format ID, Operissimo artist ID, British Council writer ID, IBDOF ID, Entomologists of the World ID, ASMP member ID, Académie des beaux-arts member ID, Dictionnaire critique des historiens de l’art ID, Académie des sciences d'outre-mer ID, Artcyclopedia ID, École normale alumnus ID, BIU Santé ID, Étonnants voyageurs ID, hoopla, Medicina ID, Akadem person ID, IGN video game ID, National Academy of Sciences ID, EGROKN ID


 * Low use properties, created >3 months ago:
 * FAPESP institution ID (P4597), title page number (P4714), symbolizes (P4878), World Rugby Women's Sevens Series player ID (P4879), FFR Sevens player ID (P4880), AFL Tables coach ID (P4885), AFL Tables umpire ID (P4888), ACE work ID (P4894), Patrons de France ID (P4891), segmental innervation (P4882)
 * Query examples:
 * Artworks and rooms of The Louvre museum shown in the latest Beyoncé video (source)
 * Goalscorers for the 2018 FIFA World Cup (source)
 * Female dancers and choregraphs having a picture and a Wikipedia article in English but not in French (source)
 * Nudes with cats (source)
 * [https://query.wikidata.org/#%23%20Museums%20in%20Italy%0A%23%20Colors%20represent%20the%20number%20of%20wiki%20articles%20for%20each%20item%0A%23%20Query%20by%20Andrea%20Mignone%20%40i_m_andrea%2C%20original%20idea%20by%20Synapta%20%40synapta%0A%23defaultView%3AMap%7B%22layer%22%3A%22%3FlinksBin%22%2C%20%22rgb%22%3A%22%3Frgb%22%7D%0ASELECT%20%2a%0AWHERE%20%7B%0A%20%20%0A%20%20%20%20BIND%28%0A%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20IF%28%3Flinks%20%3D%200%2C%20%22a%29%200%20wiki%22%2C%0A%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20IF%28%3Flinks%20%3D%201%2C%20%22b%29%201%20wiki%22%2C%0A%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20IF%28%3Flinks%20%3C%3D%203%2C%20%22c%29%20%5B2%3B4%29%20wikis%22%2C%0A%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%22d%29%204%2B%20wikis%22%29%29%29%0A%20%20%20%20AS%20%3FlinksBin%29%0A%0A%20%20%20%20BIND%28%0A%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20IF%28%3Flinks%20%3D%200%2C%20%22000000%22%2C%0A%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20IF%28%3Flinks%20%3D%201%2C%20%22ff0700%22%2C%0A%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20IF%28%3Flinks%20%3C%3D%203%2C%20%22ffa500%22%2C%0A%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%22007f00%22%29%29%29%0A%20%20%20%20AS%20%3Frgb%29%0A%20%20%0A%20%20%20%20%7B%0A%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20SELECT%20%3Fitem%20%3FitemLabel%20%3Fc%20%3Fimage%20%28count%28%3Fsitelink%29%20as%20%3Flinks%29%0A%0A%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20WHERE%20%7B%0A%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20SELECT%20%3Fitem%20%3FitemLabel%20%3Fsitelink%20%28min%28%3Fcoord%29%20as%20%3Fc%29%20%28min%28%3Fimg%29%20as%20%3Fimage%29%20%0A%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20WHERE%20%7B%0A%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%3Fitem%20wdt%3AP31%20%3Ftype%20%3B%0A%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20wdt%3AP17%20wd%3AQ38%20%3B%0A%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20wdt%3AP625%20%3Fcoord%20.%0A%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%3Ftype%20wdt%3AP279%2a%20wd%3AQ33506%20.%0A%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20OPTIONAL%20%7B%3Fitem%20wdt%3AP18%20%3Fimg%7D%0A%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20OPTIONAL%20%7B%3Fsitelink%20schema%3Aabout%20%3Fitem%20.%0A%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20FILTER%20REGEX%28STR%28%3Fsitelink%29%2C%20%22.wikipedia.org%2Fwiki%2F%22%29%20.%0A%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%7D%0A%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%0A%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20SERVICE%20wikibase%3Alabel%20%7B%20bd%3AserviceParam%20wikibase%3Alanguage%20%22%5BAUTO_LANGUAGE%5D%2Cen%22.%20%7D%0A%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%7D%0A%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20GROUP%20BY%20%3Fitem%20%3FitemLabel%20%3Fsitelink%0A%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%0A%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%7D%0A%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20GROUP%20BY%20%3Fitem%20%3FitemLabel%20%3Fc%20%3Fimage%0A%0A%20%20%20%20%7D%0A%7D%0AORDER%20BY%20asc%28%3Flinks%29 Museums in Italy colored by number of Wikipedia articles] (source)
 * Countries and their official languages, ISO codes and Wikimedia language codes (source)
 * Newest database reports: number of sitelinks to new WMF projects

You can see all open tickets related to Wikidata here. If you want to help, you can also have a look at the tasks needing a volunteer.
 * Development
 * Prototype for mobile termbox
 * Moving away from wb_terms table
 * Continued work on making WikibaseLexeme compatible with Wikibase clients (T195615)
 * Error handling and usability for entering lemmas was improved (T196342, T197453)
 * Lexemes no longer randomly pop up in rdf dumps (T194627)


 * Monthly Tasks
 * Add labels, in your own language(s), for the new properties listed above.
 * Comment on property proposals: all open proposals
 * Suggested and open tasks!
 * Contribute to a Showcase item.
 * Help translate or proofread the interface and documentation pages, in your own language!
 * Help merge identical items across Wikimedia projects.
 * Help write the next summary!

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Mića Jovanović of Megatrend (in)fame
Hello Mr. Doug, I've just checked page on Mr. Jovanović, and saw that someone deleted all content which was related to controversy around forged PhDs and irregularities around Megatrend (John Naisbitt) University.

Please, could you bring back deleted material and protect the page? Thank you 109.245.32.99 (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 10:34, 20 June 2018 (UTC)
 * Restored, but there's not enough activity to justify protection. Doug Weller  talk 11:00, 20 June 2018 (UTC)

Books & Bytes – Issue 28
 The Wikipedia Library Books & Bytes

Issue 28, April – May 2018  Arabic, Chinese, Hindi, Italian and French versions of Books & Bytes are now available in meta!
 * # 1Bib1Ref
 * New partners
 * Rock's Backpages
 * Invaluable
 * Termsoup
 * User Group update
 * Global branches update
 * Wikipedia Library global coordinators' meeting
 * Spotlight: What are the ten most cited sources on Wikipedia? Let's ask the data
 * Bytes in brief

Read the full newsletter Sent by MediaWiki message delivery on behalf of The Wikipedia Library team --MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 19:33, 20 June 2018 (UTC)

Please comment on Talk:Afsharid dynasty
The feedback request service is asking for participation in this request for comment on Talk:Afsharid dynasty. Legobot (talk) 04:23, 22 June 2018 (UTC)

Kingdom of Aksum
Hi, sorry for the long-delayed reply. Did you get the possible copyvio on Kingdom of Aksum figured out?

I remember editing some pages like that one after reading a few interesting books on early Indian Ocean trade/history/etc. It’s been so long I don’t remember details and no longer have the books I was using (library books), but I would be quite surprised if I had copied text from elsewhere. I’ve always tried to at least rewrite things into my own words. I’ve sometimes re-used a short phrase from a book when I just can’t come up with another way to state an idea. Then again, 2008? Maybe I was sloppier back then or more prone to mistakes (I did have a newborn then and could have been deliriously sleep-deprived—not that that is an excuse).

In short, I suppose it is possible I used too much text word-for-word from somewhere, but I’d be surprised (and ashamed!). However, looking at my text you linked does look suspicious and seems to cite an online source rather than the library book I remember. If I did copy it I am sorry and hope it was a one time lapse of judgement. Pfly (talk) 23:48, 23 June 2018 (UTC)

Love Jihad.
I got your message but when you include sources like aljazeera which are totally biased towards islam, you are bound to get a biased article. — Preceding unsigned comment added by LightKyle7 (talk • contribs) 08:09, 24 June 2018 (UTC)

Boumediene
Hi Doug. Would it be possible for you to review this edit? While I do not doubt the veracity of the info (at the time, Algeria was known as the "Mecca of the revolutionaries" and various well known people paid tribute to him), I do question the quality of the source used (the info is clearly taken from here) and whether such info -even if well sourced- deserves a place in Boumediene's article, since: a) there is no mention in the article of either the other revolutionary movements (such as the Black Panther Party, etc) or their leaders, and b) the source says that it was Algeria that was sympathetic to them and not specifically Boumediene. Thanks. M.Bitton (talk) 23:51, 21 June 2018 (UTC)
 * {{re|M.Bitton]], I've looked and looked and can't find anything to support it. Like you it wouldn't be surprising, but the source is thin and doesn't actually support the text. The source certainly doesn't say he provided the IRA with anything, let alone an "establishment", it just says that it and a number of other organisations had houses in Algiers. And as you say, it never says Boumediene was sympathetic to them. So I'm in agreement with you, it doesn't belong. Doug Weller  talk 13:15, 22 June 2018 (UTC)
 * Thank you so much for your time and effort. M.Bitton (talk) 23:21, 24 June 2018 (UTC)

Tigrayan/Tigrinya
Hi Doug. I responded to your comment about the merger. I am hoping that you can help me in correctly formatting the merger request. I want to merge the Tigrinya article with the Tigrayan article. Also, is there a way to prevent the creation of a new Tigrinya article in the future? I am sure that the same old socks will come back to make up a new ethnicity again. Thanks. Turtlewong (talk) 12:36, 25 June 2018 (UTC)

Atlantis page edit
Where what section would the theory of atlantis in sourh America be appropriate? If not in other theories? This theory has existed in the article going back to 2012 to totally remove it now as a theory seems wrong. Ylbissop (talk) 02:10, 25 June 2018 (UTC)
 * Ylbissop We should only include hypotheses that have been discussed in reliable sources. And other than the most well known of them, the rest should be in Location hypotheses of Atlantis. Allen's suggestion has been reviewed so it could be added there with material criticising it from here. Doug Weller  talk 14:12, 25 June 2018 (UTC)

Wikidata weekly summary #318
Here's your quick overview of what has been happening around Wikidata over the last week. 
 * Events
 * Wikidata LGBT group at the Pride march in Paris, June 30th


 * Press, articles, blog posts
 * Archives and Wikidata (in French) by Baptiste de Coulon
 * Share cultural data in Wikidata (in French) video workshop by La cinématèque québécoise


 * Other Noteworthy Stuff
 * Try the new prototype of the termbox on mobile and give feedback
 * There will be an IRC Office Hour for Structured Data on Commons on Tuesday, 26 June from 18:00-19:00 UTC. More information, including time and date conversion, is available on Meta. There is no set topic, you are welcome to bring any discussion that you would like to the office hour.
 * Edit #700,000,000 happened on June 21th
 * Magnus Manske released a new interface for QuickStatements V2. Among other changes, it now include links to EditGroups, a tool that allows people to discuss about or revert batch edits
 * WikiCite 2018 will take place in the San Francisco Bay Area on November 27-29


 * Did you know?


 * Newest properties:
 * General datatypes: angular diameter, laps completed, Alexander polynomial, Conway polynomial, Jones polynomial, school district
 * External identifiers: Bérose ID, Rom Galil settlement ID, Or Movement settlement ID, Or Movement regional council ID, Google News ID, SilentEra.com film ID, Lega Serie A soccer player ID, AFI person ID, Poetry Foundation ID, Poets.org poet ID, Printemps des poètes poet ID, PC Engine Software Bible ID, Playmates Playmate ID, Amphibian Species of World ID, abgeordnetenwatch.de politician ID, Laut.de artist ID, The Encyclopedia of Science Fiction ID, Operone opera ID, Operone composer ID, MobyGames group ID, BNB person ID, ASMP member ID, Académie des beaux-arts member ID, British Council writer ID, Internet Book Database of Fiction writer ID, Operissimo artist ID, YouTube Gaming game ID, National Gallery of Canada artist ID, Encyclopædia Universalis author ID, Entomologists of the World ID, GAMECIP media format ID, Dictionnaire critique des historiens de l'art ID


 * New property proposals to review:
 * General datatypes: auxiliary verb, Number of works accessible online, model year, CETAF specimen ID, floor number, has pattern
 * External identifiers: MobyGames game group ID, Amazon.com ID, Behind the voice Actors tv show ID, Behind the voice Actors movie ID, Behind the voice Actors franchise ID, Radio Courtoisie host ID, archINFORM project ID, Bulgarian Antarctic Gazetteer ID, Classiques des sciences sociales ID, cipM ID, Poets & Writers ID, Poetry Archive ID, Norwegian Polar Institute place name ID, VIN, GeoNLP ID, Online Books Page publication ID, Tierstimmenarchiv ID, The Canadian Encyclopedia article ID, TDKIV term ID, Gfycat tag, Gfycat user ID, RYM ID, Identifient pour artistes du Centre national des arts plastiques, Whonamedit? ID


 * Query examples:
 * Timeline of scientists dying a non natural death before 1900 (source)
 * Most P2860-cited surname (source)
 * Newest WikiProjects: Research projects

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 * Development
 * Include Wikibase dispatch lag in API "maxlag" enforcing (T194950)
 * Run full constraint check when saving a statement (T194760)
 * Show map on items to preview coordinates (T184933)
 * Implement property scope constraint to say if a property should be used on main snak qualifiers or references (T197473)
 * Investigate on replacements for some parts of wb_terms table (T197161)
 * Fix a UI glitch on Lexeme editing interface (T195298)
 * Add names and descriptions for Lexeme, Form and Sense datatypes on Special:ListDatatypes (T189935)
 * Display a warning message and prevent entering of lemmas with the same spelling variant (T195372)
 * Work on showing description in Item selector in Special:NewLexeme (T165597)


 * Monthly Tasks
 * Add labels, in your own language(s), for the new properties listed above.
 * Comment on property proposals: all open proposals
 * Suggested and open tasks!
 * Contribute to a Showcase item.
 * Help translate or proofread the interface and documentation pages, in your own language!
 * Help merge identical items across Wikimedia projects.
 * Help write the next summary!

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Please comment on Wikipedia talk:Disambiguation
The feedback request service is asking for participation in this request for comment on Wikipedia talk:Disambiguation. Legobot (talk) 04:28, 27 June 2018 (UTC)

answer to your msg
Please delete after you read it ! Hi Doug, To my knowledge, there is only one of "Your 2nd personal attack"... I removed most of it, keeping only "Your response is completely disproportionate for a one time only minor editing".

I'd like to discuss the subject ; until now, the objections are purely about WP rules, which I don't contest but simply don't know. Who has the authority to validate a change on this page? There is obviously a problem when opinions from some one are not quoted as such. All the more when the answer of the other protagonist is not even mentionned.

Regards. I was more concerned with the statement "Your response sounds like ideological terrorism". This followed after an unacceptable edit summary "comment was suppressed by a stalinist". Ah, I missed another edit summary, "some corrections on dishonest Lynn-bashing". As this seems to be a NPOV issue, you could ask at WP:NPOVN. Doug Weller talk 11:01, 27 June 2018 (UTC)

query about a reversion
Dear Doug, You reverted my addition of outside links to "Sargon of Akkad". Apparently the sin was adding more than one all at once to the same site.

Please can you explain to me what is the problem with doing this? I would like to understand it. The site is a very large one, so I added separate links, each going directly to the part of the site that is relevant for this particular Wiki article, as indicated in the different annotations to each of these links. Just a general link would not help the user since there are so many different topics covered there.

You mention the time element in your critique. Does that mean that I should wait a few days before adding another link to a different part of the linked site?

I have just a few minutes ago added more than one link to the articles "Political Satire", "Eannatum", "Chariot" and "Ur-Namma". Does this mean that they will all disappear soon?

Thanks in advance for any enlightenment.

Cordially, Susan, alias --Remotelysensed (talk) 09:28, 27 June 2018 (UTC)


 * Oops, I meant to explain on your talk page. Sorry. But I did say why in my edit summary, writing that it doesn't qualify as a suitable link under point 11 of WP:ELNO with a link. 11 is "Blogs, personal web pages and most fansites (negative ones included), except those written by a recognized authority. (This exception for blogs, etc., controlled by recognized authorities is meant to be very limited; as a minimum standard, recognized authorities who are individuals always meet Wikipedia's notability criteria for people.)" The website you are adding, although perhaps laudable, is still a personal website not written by a recognized authority. We have a board for discussing links at WP:ELN. Doug Weller  talk 10:55, 27 June 2018 (UTC)
 * Many thanks, Doug, that's very useful. I suppose this is part of the general effort started a few years ago to insist on the naming of accepted sources when assertions are made in the text, which was a response to sometimes quite justified criticism in the early days about the irresponsible information being put into Wikipedia. I didn't know it extended to external links as well (I thought that's why there are "external" links, to avoid that problem.) I understand the logic.   Best regards,--Remotelysensed (talk) 12:33, 27 June 2018 (UTC)

Just a notice
Yet another ... — Paleo Neonate  – 13:03, 28 June 2018 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the checkuser, I believe that I have reverted most recent edits from those matching accounts. — Paleo  Neonate  – 19:59, 28 June 2018 (UTC)
 * Thanks, that saved me some time. Doug Weller  talk 20:19, 28 June 2018 (UTC)

Category

 * 1) The Conservatism US category is too big and is being WP:DIFFUSED. When the process started it had almost 500 pages. See Bots/Requests_for_approval/LioneltBot_2
 * 2) World Net Daily is already categorized in category:American conservative websites which is a subcat of category:Conservatism in the United States. Per policy Categorization articles should be placed in "the most specific" category which is American conservative websites. – Lionel(talk) 10:31, 29 June 2018 (UTC)
 * ok, I saw that in the other edits I noticed, missed it there. Sorry about that. Doug Weller  talk 11:56, 29 June 2018 (UTC)
 * No apology necessary, Doug ;-)  – Lionel(talk) 11:59, 29 June 2018 (UTC)

Curious message
If you have a moment, can you take a look at this message and tell me if it seems legitimate to you? The idea of an editor changing an article on someone else's behalf makes me uncomfortable, but I don't know if it is a violation. Please advise. Thanks. --- The Old Jacobite The '45 16:07, 29 June 2018 (UTC)
 * , they've obviously been editing on behalf of Harry Northup for years. I note one talk page edit where they tell someone Northup doesn't want an IMDB link on his page. So I've placed a notice on their talk page about conflict of interest and asked them what their relationship is with the subject. Just in case I miss it, please let me know if there's a reply there or elsewhere. Doug Weller  talk 18:31, 29 June 2018 (UTC)
 * Thanks. I didn't revert the change they made to the film article they mentioned – frankly, despite my misgivings, the edit is so minor I felt it wasn't worth making a big deal over.  But, the idea that someone is here making edits at someone else's behest is troubling.  Whether Mr. Northup wants an IMDb link on his page is irrelevant.  I would wager that such a link can be found on every actor's page on WP.  If I hear anything further, as you say, I'll let you know. --- The Old Jacobite The '45</i> 00:02, 30 June 2018 (UTC)

The Signpost: 29 June 2018
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User:KindOfHuman
Surely you realize that I was not calling you a bot, but, an account registered under the name "Humankindbot". It was blocked and chose to change its name - a name which appears to me to be a sly and ambiguous implication that the account is not entirely human. ( was the unblocking administrator.) KindOfHuman has made 217 edits in 11 days: almost 20 edits per day, all with the same purpose, all with the same edit summary, and without first establishing discussion or WP:CONSENSUS anywhere but relying on the guideline MOS:GNL. Setting aside the MOS implications of the singleminded edits, let us discuss the implementation details. I am not overly familiar with WP:BOTDEF, but it would seem to me that the account in question is, at the very least, being assisted programatically. (I would personally hate to do nothing else but manually execute 217 edits that are all the same.) The account might be entirely automated, but based on the volume of edits, time-of-day active, and breaks between sessions, I would say it is probably not. So, being possibly assisted by automation, should this account go through a WP:BOTAPPROVAL process? It would make me feel better, and less likely to revert its edits, if the account had approval and a consensus mandate from the community regarding its purpose and implementation. 2600:8800:1880:91E:5604:A6FF:FE38:4B26 (talk) 19:01, 28 June 2018 (UTC)
 * I'm not going to weigh in on this beyond helping the IP formulate their query better: This is an example edit where it appears the account is operating in an automated way. It purports to be replacing "mankind" with "humanity", but ends up replacing "humankind" with "huhumanity". I have no opinion on whether or not this evinces any sort of situation where further attention is needed. ᛗᛁᛟᛚᚾᛁᚱPants   Tell me all about it.  19:10, 28 June 2018 (UTC)
 * Ok, I had no idea that's what you meant. Reading KindofHuman's talk page it's clear that the editor is not a bot. Yes, they seem to be here to enforce a guideline, but that's not the worst sort of SPA. It appears to me as though they've done a search and are working through it alphabetically, something that can be done pretty quickly. I've done that sort of thing before. I presume they are using search and replace and that's something that needs care. Doug Weller  talk 19:22, 28 June 2018 (UTC)
 * Huhumanity will forever be Wikipedia's cdesign proponentsists. It's perfect too, replacing the duplicitousness of creationists with the pedantry of Wikipedia. ᛗᛁᛟᛚᚾᛁᚱPants   Tell me all about it.  20:13, 28 June 2018 (UTC)
 * So I am curious why you would not allow some editors to form consensus against KindOfHuman's decision in selected articles? "Mankind" has been a gender-neutral word for eight centuries, and that is still the primary usage supported in dictionaries. It is not unreasonable for many Wikipedia editors to feel that there are appropriate situations for using this descriptive English word to refer to all human beings. 2600:8800:1880:91E:5604:A6FF:FE38:4B26 (talk) 23:43, 28 June 2018 (UTC)
 * Why do you feel we should ignore the guideline? Past usage is irrelevant - many things we now reject have been done/used for more than 8 centuries. The Oxford dictionary says "In the second half of the 20th century, the generic use of man to refer to ‘human beings in general’ (as in reptiles were here long before man appeared on the earth) became problematic; the use is now often regarded as sexist or old-fashioned. In some contexts, terms such as the human race or humankind may be used instead of man or mankind. Certain fixed phrases and sayings, such as time and tide wait for no man can be easily rephrased (e.g., time and tide wait for no one). Alternatives for other related terms exist as well: the noun manpower, for example, can usually be replaced with staff or crew, and in most cases, the verbal form to man can be expressed as to staff or to operate"
 * I see we sometimes, maybe often, agree about other edits/articles. For instance, thanks for this. Doug Weller  talk 12:38, 29 June 2018 (UTC)
 * Hi, it's not an automated bot, but I am using a script to help make the repetitive edits. I am working through a list of articles where I found the term "mankind" and am manually reviewing every article I edit. I am NOT altering quotes, titles, or obvious references to the use of "mankind" in the source material — and to err on the side of caution, I am skipping many articles where it's unclear. Thanks for catching "huhumanity." I've updated my script and that won't happen again. The account name is not intended to be a sly reference to semi-automation, but a comment on the use of masculine language to refer to all of humankind. Though it's not an automated bot, I will take a look at the WP:BOTAPPROVAL process. KindOfHuman (talk) 10:35, 30 June 2018 (UTC)

Doctor Harablert
Thanks for the edit-warring warning you gave to this user. His lack of response in any forum and consistent failure to use edit summaries looks like a case of WP:NOTTHERE. He's also obsessed with that film, judging by his contributions. ---<b style="font-family: Georgia;"> The Old Jacobite </b><i style="font-family: Courier New;">The '45</i> 00:52, 1 July 2018 (UTC)

Please comment on Wikipedia:Village pump (policy)
The feedback request service is asking for participation in this request for comment on Wikipedia:Village pump (policy). Legobot (talk) 04:28, 1 July 2018 (UTC)

Talk of Moors
Please there are right now a discussion in the talkpage of Moors. i invite you ti be participate to the discussion, due you are interested in the article. i thank you that, opinions are welcome--BrugesFR (talk) 23:50, 1 July 2018 (UTC)
 * Per, NOETHNICGALLERIES, "Articles about ethnic groups or similarly large human populations should not be illustrated by a photomontage or gallery of images of group members." --Kansas Bear (talk) 23:56, 1 July 2018 (UTC)

Mail
- LouisAragon (talk) 13:44, 2 July 2018 (UTC)

New instance of user Rithme4?
Hi Doug, can you please have a look at user. They make exacly the same kind of bad edits as user. I asked on the former's talk page whether they are the same person as the latter, but there's no response. After the question and the warnings on their talk, they happily continue making the same kind of edits. They seem to have no idea what they are doing, making either pointless edits, or inducing red links and errors in articles. Looks like a case of wp:CIR. - Cheers. DVdm (talk) 12:32, 29 June 2018 (UTC)
 * the language used is a bit different but in any case there's the same problem. Let's give it another day or so, although I may take action after their next cycle of editing. Doug Weller  talk 18:20, 29 June 2018 (UTC)
 * Forgot to ping you. James took care of things over yonder. Cheers - DVdm (talk) 14:27, 2 July 2018 (UTC)

Wikidata weekly summary #319
<div style="margin-top:10px; padding-left:5px; font-family:Georgia, Palatino, Palatino Linotype, Times, Times New Roman, serif;">Here's your quick overview of what has been happening around Wikidata over the last week. <div style="-moz-column-count:2; -webkit-column-count:2; column-count:2; -webkit-column-width: 400px; -moz-column-width: 400px; column-width: 400px;">
 * Events
 * Celtic Knot Conference, dedicated to Wikimedia projects and minority languages, July 5-6, in Aberystwyth (Wales). A lot of Wikidata workshops will take place during this event.


 * Press, articles, blog posts
 * 4800 Welsh portraits added to Wikimedia Commons and Wikidata, blog post at the National Library of Wales by Jason Evans, National Wikimedian of Wales
 * LIPID MAPS identifiers and endocannabinoids on Wikidata, blog post by Egon Willighagen


 * Other Noteworthy Stuff
 * Change for maxlag impacts bots and semi-automated tools
 * The five-thousandth lexeme, about a interjection "jau" in Nynorsk language, has been created
 * The Commons template Wikidata infobox has now passed 1.3 million uses on Commons categories, with plenty more still to come. A new help page gives advice on how to add, extend or improve uses of it, and how to fix data problems.
 * You can discuss the right properties to describe files on Commons, to help moving on with Structured data on Commons
 * Help improving the fight against vandalism with ORES
 * Sixth birthday of Wikidata: it's time to think about what you'd like to organize in your area! There will be a phone call for organizers, and the deadline to request swag is September 7th.


 * Did you know?


 * Newest properties:
 * General datatypes: JMA Seismic Intensity Scale, permanent resident of, auxiliary verb, homograph lexeme
 * External identifiers: École normale alumnus ID, Académie des sciences d'outre-mer member ID, BIU Santé person ID, Medicina author ID, Étonnants voyageurs participant ID, Akadem person ID, GAMECIP platform ID, National Academy of Sciences member ID, EGROKN ID, Behind The Voice Actors franchise ID, archINFORM project ID, Behind The Voice Actors film ID, IGN video game ID, Behind The Voice Actors tv show ID, Bulgarian Antarctic Gazetteer ID, Classiques des sciences sociales author ID, Norwegian Polar Institute place name ID, Poetry Archive poet ID, cipM poet ID, Poets & Writers author ID, Canadian Encyclopedia article ID, Online Books Page publication ID, Tierstimmenarchiv ID, TDKIV term ID, GeoNLP ID, CNAP artist ID, RYM artist ID, Rendez-vous de l'histoire ID


 * New property proposals to review:
 * General datatypes: JMA Magnitude, Coached by, Harmonized System Code, reverse lemma, reference properties, LilyPond notation, valency, section number, propdef, antonym, Central Index Key (CIK), note
 * External identifiers: Flanders Music Centre ID, Île en île ID, Fantastic Fiction ID, mhk object ID, CeBeDem ID, Ricochet ID, Common procurement vocabulary, pixiv ID, NYRB ID, The Paris Review ID, GS1 GPC brick code, Pasteur Institute ID, The Trading Card Database person ID, Legaseriea.it team ID, Deutsche Biographie person ID, Setlist FM artist ID, Setlist FM venue ID, Poetry International Web ID, EuroVoc ID, Språkrådets termwiki ID, Elysee.fr president ID, Reseñas Biográficas (Biblioteca del Congreso Nacional de Chile), abuse filter ID, Herder Encyclopedia author ID, Collège de France professor ID


 * Query examples:
 * Map of the birth places of people who have had taxa named after them (source)
 * Space observatories and their namesakes (source)
 * Timeline of computer games (source)
 * List of companies owned by Disney (source)
 * Same gender spouses (source)
 * Newest WikiProjects: WikiProject Patents
 * Newest user-scripts: d:User:Husky/ifff-viewer-link.js (shows selected parts of images, according to P2677 qualifiers - for example Q17335769.)

You can see all open tickets related to Wikidata here. If you want to help, you can also have a look at the tasks needing a volunteer.
 * Development
 * Working on prefilling spelling variant of new form representation (T195708)
 * Start breaking down stories in order to implement Senses
 * Finding a better solution for dewiki's Modul:Wikidata isParent (T179155)
 * Adding support for linking to a particular statement (T169224)
 * Implement property scope constraint (T197473)
 * Track maxlag for wikidata on grafana dashboard (T196868)


 * Monthly Tasks
 * Add labels, in your own language(s), for the new properties listed above.
 * Comment on property proposals: all open proposals
 * Suggested and open tasks!
 * Contribute to a Showcase item.
 * Help translate or proofread the interface and documentation pages, in your own language!
 * Help merge identical items across Wikimedia projects.
 * Help write the next summary!

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File:Yale.png
Typically the copyright in degree certifcates as it exists is held by the issuing institution? You had uploaded this under a self-claim, which seemed unusual. Not that NFCC covers anything outside Articles, but here, the justifcation for NFCC application would be "To provide visual confirmation of an academic qaulification awrded to the uploader,.." ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 16:59, 3 July 2018 (UTC)
 * I didn't know that, I was assuming as it was my diploma there wouldn't be a problem. That was in fact the rationale so that it could be seen as a source elsewhere where it was being claimed I had no degree. I don't know how to fix it, any possibility you could? Or tell me how? Doug Weller  talk 17:40, 3 July 2018 (UTC)


 * I'd leave a note on the file description pages explaining the situation. ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 17:41, 3 July 2018 (UTC)
 * Thanks very much. Doug Weller  talk 18:20, 3 July 2018 (UTC)

Need help with an editor
. The CIR is strong with this one, but if we can at least get him to use edit summaries and to accept input from others he might avoid a trip to ANI. Could you perhaps try to speak to him on his talkpage? He has so far responded negatively to contact from anyone:, , , ,. I'm going to invite and  as well. Softlavender (talk) 19:12, 3 July 2018 (UTC)

Administrators' newsletter – July 2018
News and updates for administrators from the past month (June 2018). Administrator changes
 * Gnome-colors-list-add.svg Pbsouthwood • TheSandDoctor
 * Gnome-colors-view-refresh.svg Gogo Dodo
 * Gnome-colors-list-remove.svg Andrevan • Doug • EVula • KaisaL • Tony Fox • WilyD

Bureaucrat changes
 * Gnome-colors-list-remove.svg Andrevan • EVula

Guideline and policy news
 * An RfC about the deletion of drafts closed with a consensus to change the wording of WP:NMFD. Specifically, a draft that has been repeatedly resubmitted and declined at AfC without any substantial improvement may be deleted at MfD if consensus determines that it is unlikely to ever meet the requirements for mainspace and it otherwise meets one of the reasons for deletion outlined in the deletion policy.
 * A request for comment closed with a consensus that the promising draft template cannot be used to indefinitely prevent a WP:G13 speedy deletion nomination.

Technical news
 * Starting on July 9, the WMF Security team, Trust & Safety, and the broader technical community will be seeking input on an upcoming change that will restrict editing of site-wide JavaScript and CSS to a new technical administrators user group. Bureaucrats and stewards will be able to grant this right per a community-defined process. The intention is to reduce the number of accounts who can edit frontend code to those who actually need to, which in turn lessens the risk of malicious code being added that compromises the security and privacy of everyone who accesses Wikipedia. For more information, please review the FAQ.
 * Syntax highlighting has been graduated from a Beta feature on the English Wikipedia. To enable this feature, click the highlighter icon (Codemirror-icon.png) in your editing toolbar (or under the hamburger menu in the 2017 wikitext editor). This feature can help prevent you from making mistakes when editing complex templates.
 * IP-based cookie blocks should be deployed to English Wikipedia in July (previously scheduled for June). This will cause the block of a logged-out user to be reloaded if they change IPs. This means in most cases, you may no longer need to do /64 range blocks on residential IPv6 addresses in order to effectively block the end user. It will also help combat abuse from IP hoppers in general. For the time being, it only affects users of the desktop interface.

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Londonistan
Doug, what are the guidelines for writing book summaries without falling into WP:OR? Knobbly talk 00:01, 4 July 2018 (UTC) Knobbly talk 00:01, 4 July 2018 (UTC)

Please comment on Wikipedia:Village pump (proposals)
The feedback request service is asking for participation in this request for comment on Wikipedia:Village pump (proposals). Legobot (talk) 04:30, 4 July 2018 (UTC)

User: NearEast
Hi Doug, see this page the user NearEast made a change to the old article version, using his own interpretation of the sources, for example the Cambridge ancient history state: '''At Edessa, the Abgarid dynasty was Arab. Arab cults are attested at Hatra (the eagle god Nasr) and at Edessa (the twins Monimos and Azizos). Nevertheless the cultural setting was fundamentally Aramaic..''', however NearEast alteration is the following: Arabic is one of the supposed origin.. In another paragraph concerning the account of Tacitus on Abgar V, he described it as pseudo-Tacitus using a source that questions the authenticity of the Annals attributed to Tacitus from 1 to 6, though the Abgar accounts were not from those parts. The user judging from his talk page [which you left him a message) have this pattern of adding his personal analysis into articles. Nabataeus (talk) 02:10, 4 July 2018 (UTC)


 * I do not see your discussion on the article talk page, either.--Kansas Bear (talk) 02:13, 4 July 2018 (UTC)


 * Hm, The problem I rised to Doug isn't the user lack of communication (though I suggested that he open a discussion that I will be part of..) but rather his interpretation and personal analysis of the said sources. Nabataeus (talk) 02:34, 4 July 2018 (UTC)
 * Hmmm,


 * "rv, take your concerns to the talk page instead of edit warring....."
 * So, why not start your own discussion instead of edit warring? You know you might actually persuade some other editors and gain this thing call "consensus". Oh, and btw, I do agree about the 19th century sources. --Kansas Bear (talk) 02:47, 4 July 2018 (UTC)


 * Yes, I suggested that he open a discussion but he showed no sign of inclination (but still that's not my initial concerns that I rised to Doug). I thought that was enough, judging by the patterns of experienced users. If not, then my bad I guess mere advising is not sufficient. Aside from that, my main problem is his bent interpretation of the sources. It is really worrying. I concur with the 19th century sources. That's why I left the Aramaean claim. Nabataeus (talk) 03:04, 4 July 2018 (UTC)

After investigating NearEast's two sources that appears reliable and not outdated for the Abgar being "Parthian Arsacid king of Armenia" claim, this is what I found really troubling; in his sources "Treasures from the Ark: 1700 Years of Armenian Christian Art p. 224", and "Rome in the East - Warwick Ball" is the following:


 * '"Movses Khorenatsi in his history of the Armenians regards Abgar as king of Armenia and Edessa." (accessible source)
 * "At this time, Osrhoene was still a part of Armenia, but after Abgar I's death the kingdom of Edessa (called Armenia by Moses Khorenats'i) was divided into two, perhaps as a result of Armenia's defeat"' (Here the referenced page)

There's no mention of any ethnic background ascribed to Abgar or the royal family of Edessa in both sources, only geographical designations which the editor added his own interpretation of the sources. Two remaining sources of the claim are left, but they were written in the 19th century, thus outdated. I truly have my doubts on the book of the bee source that call Abgar V Aramaean, unfortunately I couldn't find accessible source, perhaps you could help ? --- Nabataeus (talk) 04:23, 4 July 2018 (UTC)
 * I found a source for Abgar VIII calling him the "Aramean philosopher". --The Cambridge History of Early Christian Literature, page 162. So far, nothing on Abgar V. All statement(s) concerning ethnicity should not be in the lead and should be moved to the body of the article. Also, we should move this discussion to the article talk page. --Kansas Bear (talk) 04:58, 4 July 2018 (UTC)


 * Yes I found that also when I was assessing NearEast's sources. I removed the ethnicities from the lead to the body of the article as you said(this version ) but I was reverted.
 * I have moved this discussion to the article talk page. Thank you Doug for the use of your talk page. --Kansas Bear (talk) 05:14, 4 July 2018 (UTC)

Dante8's IP's
Thanks for this. What do you think should be done about the IPs, such as this, this and this one, though? As seen with that last one, Dante8 is still editing. It looks like Dante8 will continue to edit as IPs until eventually registering another Wikipedia account. Flyer22 Reborn (talk) 06:36, 4 July 2018 (UTC)
 * actually that was before my block. I see no edits after my block, but I do expect them. Let me know and I'll block. Doug Weller  talk 16:14, 4 July 2018 (UTC)

Help
I am being ATTACKED - WP:STALKING and WP:HARASSMENT by this person - User:Hullaballoo Wolfowitz for many months, he apparrently hates me and the visual arts. Please get this guy off my back. Thank you...Modernist (talk) 15:26, 5 July 2018 (UTC)
 * Please note that a short time ago Modernist was warned by NeilN about using invective like this to characterize ongoing content disputes, a warning Modernist has repeatedly disregarded. This comes out of a longrunning content dispute regarding the use of nonfree images of visual art, where Modernist is among those who strongly reject NFCC policy (see, for example, Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Visual arts, and the related deletion discussions at Files for discussion/2018 June 18 (where many of the disputed uses that Modernist advocated for have already been removed). The underlying issue is whether certain articles on the visual arts are exempt from (or subject to much more relaxed application of) basic WP:NFCC, WP:V, and WP:RS policies. With his side not prevailing in the dispute, he is again personalizing the issues rather than substantively addressing serious policy concerns. The Big Bad Wolfowitz (aka Hullaballoo). Treated like dirt by many administrators since 2006.   (talk) 16:11, 5 July 2018 (UTC)

IP 14.192.52.187
Hi Doug Weller, a few days ago you anonblocked IP User_talk:14.192.52.187 for disruptive editing. The block expired, and they are back... the ANI discussion is still open, but I'm not sure who's paying attention. The IP and their account User talk:Drvedjindal are kind of persistent, so I wanted to check if you could have an eye on that and take the necessary steps. I'm pretty sure that they'll also come back through their account once the block on that expires... Thanks, Averell (talk) 08:58, 5 July 2018 (UTC)
 * blocked for 2 weeks but I haven't dealt with their edits. Doug Weller  talk 13:34, 5 July 2018 (UTC)
 * Thanks. I dealt with the edits. Lets see what happens... Averell (talk) 20:12, 5 July 2018 (UTC)

Please comment on Wikipedia talk:Citing sources
The feedback request service is asking for participation in this request for comment on Wikipedia talk:Citing sources. Legobot (talk) 04:33, 8 July 2018 (UTC)

SPI?
I suspect the following to be socks from their history, but I'm not sure if this warrants an SPI yet, I could be wrong. Considering that you have CU, I'll leave it at your discretion, if you think they are worth a check. Please let me know if I should still file an SPI. Thanks again, — Paleo Neonate  – 11:22, 7 July 2018 (UTC)
 * (atypical nickname considering the space)
 * (typical nick and edits)
 * your time would be best spent undoing their edits, they're now blocked socks. Doug Weller  talk 14:07, 7 July 2018 (UTC)
 * Thanks! I'll get to that when I return later on today.  — Paleo  Neonate  – 14:19, 7 July 2018 (UTC)
 * Yes check.svg Done. I meanwhile stumbled on another suspect  (although evidence is not unequivocal yet)...  — Paleo  Neonate  – 10:04, 8 July 2018 (UTC)
 * Those edits have also been reverted. Thanks again, — Paleo  Neonate  – 11:56, 8 July 2018 (UTC)

July 2018
Constructive contributions to Wikipedia are appreciated, but a recent edit that you made to User talk:2.228.123.59 has been reverted or removed because it was a misuse of a warning or blocking template. Please use the user warnings sandbox for any tests you may want to do, or take a look at our introduction page to learn more about contributing to the encyclopedia. If you think I made a mistake, or if you have any questions, you may leave a message on my talk page. Thank you. Rob3512  chat?   what I did   11:12, 8 July 2018 (UTC)

@ seriously? You're templating me instead of discussing it? That was my alternative to a block. If they did it again I would have blocked them, now you make it look as though they won't be. Note that the template says you've reverted or removed it, but of course you haven't. Nor do I need to use a sandbox or read introductory pages, that's just patronising. I presume you realise that they've made that edit 3 times now. Doug Weller talk 11:21, 8 July 2018 (UTC)
 * Then you should have either blocked them outright, or used successive templates. I admit that I did not realise they edited the page multiple times. Rob3512   chat?   what I did   11:59, 8 July 2018 (UTC)
 * Rob3512, did you not even look at the IP's contributions before starting this ill-judged effort to tutor a much more experienced editor than you are yourself? And do you realize that if you post a template, you are responsible for what it says — everything it says — in this case "take a look at our introduction page to learn more about contributing to the encyclopedia" and the like ridiculously inappropropriate phrasing. To avoid looking like a fool, you're safer using your own words rather than templates. I've removed your nonsensical strikeout on the IP's talkpage. uw-vandalism4im, the "only warning" template, exists for a purpose. Bishonen &#124; talk 14:18, 8 July 2018 (UTC).

Stateless nation
Doug Weller African Americans are a stateless nation according to the UN definitions of the status. "a political term for an ethnic group or nation that does not possess its own state and is not the majority population in any nation state." And the AA community has been cited and recognized by the UN as a specifically stateless nation on many occassions. African Americans do not hold a majority or majority power in any American state or territory. African American culture, history, music, art, religion (AAME, various American Muslim chapters and Black Baptist Church historically and predominantly), and language (African American Vernacular English, or 'Ebonics' as it is prejoratively named outside of African American media circles in the United States). No African American or White American alive would actually argue that AA are not a specific culture in the United States anymore than a person would claim a Mexican American Tejano of Texas would be the same as an Bostonian Irish American. Not sure what your goal in deleting African American's as a specified people is, but this is the second time sources have been offered and ignored before AA were deleted from the list. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:601:9680:D3E:5C30:4516:B2FD:8C29 (talk) 02:58, 9 July 2018 (UTC)
 * You'll need reliable sources which widely describe African-Americans as being a "stateless nation," not just a sort of passing offhand mention that they could hypothetically be considered as such, but that they don't actually want independence. The article in question specifically discusses that As not all states are nation states, there are a number of ethnic groups who live in a multinational state without being considered "stateless nations". What you added simply doesn't have adequate sources to verify the inclusion. I have removed it again; this is without prejudice to a version which is sufficiently sourced at some point. But you need to do the work before adding the passage. NorthBySouthBaranof (talk) 03:08, 9 July 2018 (UTC)

that page relies too much on one dubious source. I intend to start an RfC suggesting that entries require 3 independent reliable sources, none of which are media. Comments? Doug Weller talk 14:40, 9 July 2018 (UTC)

Wikidata weekly summary #320
<div style="margin-top:10px; padding-left:5px; font-family:Georgia, Palatino, Palatino Linotype, Times, Times New Roman, serif;">Here's your quick overview of what has been happening around Wikidata over the last week. <div style="-moz-column-count:2; -webkit-column-count:2; column-count:2; -webkit-column-width: 400px; -moz-column-width: 400px; column-width: 400px;">
 * Discussions
 * New request for comments: Help:Modelling


 * Events
 * Past: Celtic Knot Conference, including a Wikidata track, 5-6 July, Aberystwyth (Wales)
 * Upcoming: Wikidata Lab: Structured narratives in Wikipedia, São Paulo, August 9th


 * Press, articles, blog posts
 * Ewan McAndrew publishes case study for teaching data science with Wikidata: see the case study on Commons
 * "Wikidata and GLAM catalogues: a round-up" by Martin Poulter


 * Other Noteworthy Stuff
 * Structured Data on Commons: There is a workshop on Commons to identify properties that files will need for statements. You are invited to participate.
 * Querying Wikidata with SPARQL for Absolute Beginners, a new video tutorial by Asaf Bartov
 * Items now contain an average of 10 statements.
 * For the first time Wikidata has less than 2 million empty items.
 * Input for Creation of separate user group for editing sitewide CSS/JS is being sought.


 * Did you know?


 * Newest properties:
 * General datatypes: Romanization of Belarusian (2007 system), has decorative pattern, floor number, Han character in this lexeme, Japanese pitch accent type, position of accent nucleus, position of devoiced vowel, number of viewers/listeners, signum, research measurement, model year, reference value, lower limit, upper limit
 * External identifiers: mhk object ID, Fantastic Fiction author ID, Île en île author ID, Flanders Music Centre person ID, CeBeDem composer ID, Ricochet author ID, The Paris Review interviewee ID, Whonamedit? doctor ID, Common procurement vocabulary, Pasteur Institute person ID, NYRB contributor ID, GS1 Global Product Classification brick code, The Trading Card Database person ID, Lega Serie A team ID, IPTC Newscode, Poetry International Web poet ID, Setlist FM artist ID, Setlist FM venue ID, Gfycat user ID, pixiv ID, EuroVoc ID, Elysee.fr president ID, Herder Encyclopedia author ID, Biographical Articles of the Library of Congress of Chile, Collège de France professor ID, Language Council of Norways termwiki ID


 * New property proposals to review:
 * General datatypes: confers, Narrative role, CJKV variant character, synonym, derived from form, station category, Number of twitter follower, mentioned in work, model year code, peninsula of location, position of nasal sonant, number of people depicted, artist-info artist ID, artist-info curator ID, artist-info location ID, Mormon Literature and Creative Arts Database, The Reptile Database
 * External identifiers: Logicielsmoto identifier, House of Representatives Morocco ID, BIA PSY ID, My Heritage Surname ID, identifiant Inventaire des sanctuaires français, USNPL ID, Guide to Pharmacology Target ID, Historia de la Medicina ID, TasteAtlas ID, GlyphWiki ID, AE member ID, Conseil constitutionnel ID, French Academy in Rome ID, RHE doctor ID, Scottish Poetry Library ID, RHE professor ID, SBN books ID, Australian Poetry Library ID, A Church Near You church ID


 * Deleted properties: GHS hazard statement (P728) + GHS precautionary statements (P940), spectral line (P2224)
 * Query examples:
 * Map of places in the UK starting with "Llan" (source)
 * Number and percentage of articles about female scientists for all Wikipedias (compared to all articles about scientists) (source)
 * Statements disputed by their subject (source)
 * Emulators and what they emulate (source)
 * Map of items near me that have a label in English but not in Welsh (source)
 * Newest WikiProjects: Categories
 * Newest tools: TopicMatcher, by MagnusManske, looks for items related to topics


 * Development
 * Making progress towards being able to query for constraint violations in the query service
 * Included the dispatch lag in the maxlag parameter to give better feedback to tools and bots if they can edit at the moment (T194950)
 * Added support for linking to a particular statement (not just a statement group) (T169224)
 * Set up L as an alias for the Lexeme namespace (T195493)
 * Worked on making lexical category, language and grammatical feature show up on WhatLinksHere (T195302)
 * Worked on Persistent IDs for Senses (T198033)
 * Improve placeholder text for Lexeme language and lexical category field on Special:NewLexeme (T195439)
 * Show description on the item selector on Special:NewLexeme (T165597)
 * Add "mis" language code to the list of language code options on Special:NewLexeme (T194771)

You can see all open tickets related to Wikidata here. If you want to help, you can also have a look at the tasks needing a volunteer.


 * Monthly Tasks
 * Add labels, in your own language(s), for the new properties listed above.
 * Comment on property proposals: all open proposals
 * Suggested and open tasks!
 * Contribute to a Showcase item.
 * Help translate or proofread the interface and documentation pages, in your own language!
 * Help merge identical items across Wikimedia projects.
 * Help write the next summary!

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Quirinius's Census
I have a concern regarding the use of a particular source within this article. Namely the use if Raymond E Brown's collection of essays on the topic of the birth of Christ. While I do respect much of Dr. Brown's work, I do feel as someone with credentials in the field that his take on this particular instance is off base. The issue at hand is that historical proofs regarding the exact dating of the census, its frequency, and requirements are fuzzy. Not to mention, it completely discounts the ancient text itself as a source document (a contention I would personally make as it is closer to the events that occurred than every ounce of documentation that we have regarding Alexander the Great and Julius Caesar). This coupled with newer research and more plausible explanations has given rise to more earnest debate on this topic within the SBL academic community as well as others. The statement made makes for a conclusive argument against Luke's account, a conclusion that most of the scholarly community most certainly does NOT agree with (despite the article stating differently). I am bringing this to your attention so that a battle of edits may not ensue and that wikipedia's growing credibility is not hindered. The below citation is from an article that gives a good overview of the issue and yet finds a way to discuss new findings while also staying away from a conclusive statement allowing the reader to make their own judgments based on the arguments presented. I urge you for this article to take a similar stance. Thank you for your time.

Dąbrowa, Edward. "The Date of the Census of Quirinius and the Chronology of the Governors of the Province of Syria." Zeitschrift Für Papyrologie Und Epigraphik 178 (2011): 137-42. http://www.jstor.org/stable/41616761.

Sincerely, Justin Eimers thenerdytheologian@gmail.com — Preceding unsigned comment added by Thenerdytheologian (talk • contribs) 01:07, 10 July 2018 (UTC)


 * this discussion belongs on the article's talk page so that others can participate. Doug Weller  talk 11:32, 10 July 2018 (UTC)

I don't understand why you knocked this back - how can I get this accepted?
Hi, writing to you about this...

The talk pages are complicated, I don't understand them much. Sorry to post here, I realise the is an aspect of it wasting your time somewhat. I also point out you've wasted mine too. Will restrict my effort to the main pages...

Thought about what you said...

"Arguably Humphreys' most successful foray into archaeology is getting the two lists of exodus census data to add up. By showing that if 'elef' is interpreted as 'fighting unit' rather than 'thousands', this is possible. This reduces the the number of people involved in the exodus from millions, to tens of thousands without any modification of the biblical text itself. [13]"

1) WP:NOR - I'm quoting it from Kitchen's book, rather than the journal it appears in. 2) WP:Verify - he gets the totals to add up... that's verifiable isn't it? 501 elef 400 tribe A 502 elef 900 tribe B 1003 elef 1300 total (rather than 1,104,000 ie carry the hundreds into the thousands/elefs)

So perhaps your issue is with "Arguably Humphreys' most successful foray"... I could understand that. I suspect that's not the real issue though: this page is a politically correct page.

So... how would you phrase my edit?

My personal opinion is he is a smart guy in field A, that has some wacky ideas in field B, however on this particular occasion, he is right on... Other experts in field B have noticed this too.

So happy to give up after this attempt, I'm not a zealot. But reason wouldn't be the winner in that circumstance. — Preceding unsigned comment added by BenSWiki (talk • contribs) 00:27, 11 July 2018 (UTC)

ACT! for America
Hey Doug, the quote wasn't in as you so condescendingly stated, but in a ref following used in. And yes, I did check before tagging, since you evidently require an explanation for a citation needed. If you're going to be snide like that, you could at least know what you're talking about. —Sangdeboeuf (talk) 12:04, 11 July 2018 (UTC)
 * I don't know how I got that wrong, but I've made a null edit to make clear I did. I hope that's sufficient. Doug Weller  talk 12:15, 11 July 2018 (UTC)

The UDC does not ask for race, color, or religion, or any other discriminatory information on member applications, and prospective members can apply without ever being seen in person. UDC does not collect or log that type of information, therefore, without seeing a picture of every single UDC member, it would be impossible to tell how many members are black. A White Supremacist organization would most certainly ask for that information. Galndixie (talk) 14:58, 11 July 2018 (UTC) Galndixie (talk) 14:58, 11 July 2018 (UTC)

Formation and Purpose Section, Second Paragraph Change the quote from Kristina DuRocher from this "Like the KKK's children's groups, the UDC utilized the Children of the Confederacy to impart to the rising generations their own white-supremacist vision of the future." To this: “The object of the organization included uniting the “children and youth of the South in some work to aid and honor ex-Confederates and their descendants.” The Children of the Confederacy was intended to “indoctrinate southern youth into the culture of the Confederate ‘Lost Cause.’”

Quote replaced with two quotes making the same statement in more neutral language, using the same source by Kristina DuRocher, pages 88-89 The updated statement makes the same point about the Children of the Confederacy, but it removes the reference to the KKK to make the language more neutral. Any reference to the KKK is not neutral, and including it indicates a bias against the group.

In reading Kristina DuRocher’s book, the behaviors outlined for both the KKK’s children’s groups and the Children of the Confederacy are not the same. The two groups are compared, with the KKK groups making clear overt statements that the white race is superior. The Children of the Confederacy is taught Confederate history, which implies a nostalgic view of the relationship between slave owners and slaves. The Klan groups were focused on separation of the races in contemporary society. The Children of the Confederacy were focused on the history of their ancestors during the antebellum and bellum periods, with no mention of contemporary race relations.Galndixie (talk) 15:05, 11 July 2018 (UTC)

Please comment on Talk:Alt-right
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Bringing up old history
I was trying to make sense of an entry in the List of group-1 ISBN publisher codes page and found that you were involved in a minor discussion on that entry. It seems the entry for "Artof4Elements Publishing" doesn't belong in the 6-digit publisher codes (869800-999999) section at all. Counting digits and checking for some of their book titles on Amazon, I find that it isn't a Group-1 English ISBN at all. Apparently the first real digit in the ISBN is a 9, and it appears to that the Registration group identifier is a five digit one, so the ISBN could break down as: "99957-541-2-6" (I can't be certain of the middle hyphen without a full listing of how 99957 group is defined).

As such, I will be removing that entry from the Group-1 List.

I've copied below the conversation I found on your talk page from way back then, possibly helping you remember the situation.

Thanks WesT (talk) 20:10, 12 July 2018 (UTC)

Alchemy of Love Mindfulness Training Page
Dear Doug,

just to let you know that I followed your instructions and send an e-mail from Artof4elements.com to permissions-en@wikimedia.org to confirm that I represent the copy-right holder.

Many thanks, Mario — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mariojohns2010 (talk • contribs) 10:42, 4 April 2017 (UTC) Thank you but that doesn't help with the fact that we would rarely use material from a self-publisher. Doug Weller talk 10:50, 4 April 2017 (UTC) The Artof4Elements (www.artof4elements.com) is the Publisher of the books. It uses print on demand to reach other than Maltese markets. It is based in Malta. The books published are from a group of authors (Mirjana Musulin, Olivera Rosić, Ivana Milosavljević, Jason Lu, Christine Cutajar, Jeni Caruana and Nataša Pantović). Both Malta National Books Council Database (http://ktieb.org.mt/) and http://www.isbndatabasemalta.org/ have Artof4elements within their database. I hope this helps. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mariojohns2010 (talk • contribs) 14:44, 8 April 2017 (UTC)


 * thanks, always glad that there are editors taking on these detailed issues which may look minor but are vital to a quality encyclopedia. Doug Weller  talk 15:11, 13 July 2018 (UTC)

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WP:RADAR and some recent sockdrawers
The edits on Native Americans. I'm seeing some familiar patterns from Especially after what we went through with the sockdrawer involving Editor Interaction is minimal. It's more the "I don't hear you" and editing patterns. (Continuing with same POV push after attempt to discuss, zero edits to talk, etc.) - <b style="color:#44018F;">Co</b><b style="color: #003878;">rb</b><b style="color: #145073;">ie</b><b style="color: #006E0D">V</b>  ☊ ☼ 20:24, 13 July 2018 (UTC)
 * sorry, missed this. I don't have as much time as usual because my wife fell and has a colless fracture, so I need to do whatever needs two hands! I'll try to take a look. As you'll see, I have to disagree with you on one issuel. Doug Weller  talk 17:54, 14 July 2018 (UTC)
 * I'm so sorry to hear about your wife! Please, she's more important than any of this. The 'pedia can wait. Health and strength to you both. <3 - <b style="color:#44018F;">Co</b><b style="color: #003878;">rb</b><b style="color: #145073;">ie</b><b style="color: #006E0D">V</b>  ☊ ☼ 18:25, 14 July 2018 (UTC)
 * Oh I'm still editing, just not quite as much. Doug Weller  talk 18:26, 14 July 2018 (UTC)

Please comment on Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style/Words to watch
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Not sure how to reply to your message on my talk page.
First of all let me apologize if this is not the "correct" way to reply to your comment left on my talk page. I couldn't find a reply button. In the comment you say I'm removing sources based on my opinion; of course I am we all are. Any decision is based on what you think. However I have been removing biased information because its biased. I cited proof in my discussion with C.Fred that I'm not the only person complaining about the bias against intelligent design. Now I know you are going to respond with majority consensus but I would like to point out that less then 75 years ago the "majority consensus" was that negros were inferior to whites and undeserving of the same civil rights. The policy you linked to says when reliable sources disagree give equal weight to both sides. Oh and here is the proof I mentioned that I'm not the only one complaining about how you cover intelligent design.

https://www.christianpost.com/news/design-proponents-accuse-wikipedia-of-bias-hypocrisy-27307/ — Preceding unsigned comment added by LordFluffington454 (talk • contribs) 11:30, 15 July 2018 (UTC)


 * I will let Doug Weller answer you in relation to the topic. However, this is information which may help you for the technical side of using talk pages.  To reply to a message, you can use the closest above title's edit button, or the main edit button (at the top of the page).  You can then place your comment below the one you are replying to, beginning with colons (: is like a  key and will cause the message to be indented rightwise).  Finally, you can sign your message by ending it with four tildes (~) in a row ( ~ ).  For more details, please see WP:TALK.  I hope this helps, — Paleo  Neonate  – 11:46, 15 July 2018 (UTC)

Tigrayans
I have restored my last version of the Tigrayans article as it is the last stable and accurate version of the article after the merger (of which I waited 30+ days to do after starting the merger discussion). There seems to be edit warring so I will apply for the article to be under page protection. As you have also noticed the edit warring, I would appreciate it if you could add to this discussion. Thank you. Turtlewong (talk) 03:18, 15 July 2018 (UTC)
 * sorry, in the notification I just saw the bit about restoring the last stable version so didn't look at my talk page. I see it's been protected now, so that's good. Doug Weller  talk 18:36, 15 July 2018 (UTC)

Wikidata weekly summary #321
<div style="margin-top:10px; padding-left:5px; font-family:Georgia, Palatino, Palatino Linotype, Times, Times New Roman, serif;">Here's your quick overview of what has been happening around Wikidata over the last week. <div style="-moz-column-count:2; -webkit-column-count:2; column-count:2; -webkit-column-width: 400px; -moz-column-width: 400px; column-width: 400px;">


 * Events/Press/Blogs
 * Wikimania and Hackathon 2018, in Cape Town, South Africa, 18-22 July. See also the page listing the Wikidata-related events


 * Press, articles, blog posts
 * The EU NanoSafety Cluster as Linked Data visualized with Scholia in the EU NanoSafety Cluster Newsletter
 * Converting any SPARQL endpoint to an OpenAPI, blog post about using grlc to convert the WDQS to an OpenAPI service
 * Wikidata on Azure, blog post series about hosting Wikidata data in Azure cloud
 * Wikibase workshop in Berlin
 * Research showcase about the ArticlePlaceholder
 * Keine Schwalben: Schauspielernde Fussballspieler in Wikidata


 * Other Noteworthy Stuff
 * New tool: Wikidata Cradle, by Magnus Manske, to create new items by filling a form. You can build your own forms.
 * Ordia (the tool to search for Lexemes and Forms) now displays a graph of grammatical features
 * The Wikidata Lexeme form tool got support for more languages and expanded support for the existing ones.
 * Global preferences are now available on all Wikimedia wikis
 * item Q&#8202;55&#8202;555&#8202;555 was created


 * Did you know?
 * Newest properties:
 * General datatypes: grants academic degree, model year code
 * External identifiers: Inventory of French sanctuaries ID, BIA PSY person ID, House of Representatives of Morocco ID, My Heritage Surname ID, Logicielsmoto identifier, USNPL ID, SGJP Online ID, TasteAtlas ID, Conseil constitutionnel ID, Guide to Pharmacology Target ID, RHE doctor ID, RHE professor ID, AE member ID
 * New property proposals to review:
 * General datatypes: horizontal depth, correct form, Mormon Literature and Creative Arts Database Works, Young's modulus, Billed height, Billed weight, Billed from, IPHAN ID, Ultimate tensile strength, Brenda Tissue Ontology ID, Belgian Heritage in Brazil ID, derived from language(s), description of glyph, Unicode block, mode of derivation, word with diacritical signs, rhyme, artist-info exhibition ID, invasive to, number of platform faces, state of conservation, Yield strengh, Hardness
 * External identifiers: OSM node ID, NATO Stock Number, EDIT16 IDs, GameSpot ID, SMS Power identifier, RPO ID, Split the Rock ID, Base de datos de premiados ID, legabasket.it player ID, Les voix de la poésie ID, Poetry in Voice ID, BD Gest' ID, Médicos históricos ID, Doroszewski Online ID, Boijmans work ID, RISM ID, WorldCat Registry ID, Poetry Society of America ID, LRB ID, WikiArt ID, MAPS ID, archINFORM ID (Personen und Körperschaften), DEFA-Filmdatenbank-ID, Enciclopèdia de l'Esport Català
 * Query examples:
 * Map of birthplaces of football players at 2018 FIFA World Cup
 * People born furthest from their place of education (source)
 * Timeline of discontinued Google products (based on source)
 * Paintings depicting the Bastille Day (source)


 * Development
 * Worked on persistent storage for Senses on Lexemes - started by giving them a stable ID (T198033)
 * Adding "mis" language code to the list of language code options on Special:NewLexeme (T194771)
 * Made the Items used for Language, Lexical Category and Grammatical Feature show up on Special:WhatLinksHere (T195302)
 * When adding a new Form the spelling variant is now filled out automatically based on the Lemma's (195708)


 * Monthly Tasks
 * Add labels, in your own language(s), for the new properties listed above.
 * Comment on property proposals: all open proposals
 * Suggested and open tasks!
 * Contribute to a Showcase item.
 * Help translate or proofread the interface and documentation pages, in your own language!
 * Help merge identical items across Wikimedia projects.
 * Help write the next summary!

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Your revert at Timeline of human prehistory
I am afraid there is a misunderstanding probably due to less than perfect formulation in the MRCA article: ".. younger than the age of both Y-MRCA and mt-MRCA, estimated at around 200,000 years" If you read the four articles about (Y-MRCA), (mt-MRCA),  (IAP), (MRCA) and check the references they give, you will see that the time estimates for these four vary a bit depending which estimator, and are respectively as follows: The 200,000 years that appears in the citation above is relevant for single parent estimates (Adam and Eve), not the two parent estimates (IAP and MRCA). I am going ahead and reverting back your deletion which I assume was due to this unfortunate formulation. Cobanyastigi (talk) 21:15, 15 July 2018 (UTC)
 * thanks, but it was due to my reading the Mrca article which says in its lead "The age of the human MRCA is unknown. It is necessarily younger than the age of both Y-MRCA and mt-MRCA, estimated at around 200,000 years, and it may be as recent as some 3,000 years ago.". I've added two more sources on the talk age, but they aren't more recent. Once unsourced material is removed, it should not be replaced, as WP:VERIFY is fundamental policy. If you can find a peer reviewed source (more than a letter), then feel free to restore it as I think it should be in the timeline. Doug Weller  talk 18:09, 17 July 2018 (UTC)
 * Thanks. I think one of the references in IAP article should suffice for both IAP and MRCA. Its abstract concludes with the following:
 * This study introduces a large-scale, detailed computer model of recent human history which suggests that the common ancestor of everyone alive today very likely lived between 2,000 and 5,000 years ago. Furthermore, the model indicates that nearly everyone living a few thousand years prior to that time is either the ancestor of no one or of all living humans.
 * Further references on alternative, more detailed but essentially similar views (even a formula for calculating the time) are given in the main article.Cobanyastigi (talk) 19:08, 17 July 2018 (UTC)

Sock IP of "Astore Malik" (?)
Saw you reverting one of his edits today (rightfully). Made a brief search; this IP, is, in all likelihood, used by "Astore Malik". He's the same user who created the "Sadduzai" article today and redirected "Sadozai (Pashtun tribe)" to it. Though the account was created recently, a brief look at the account's talk page shows that he has already received many warnings by numerous veteran users.. - LouisAragon (talk) 00:55, 17 July 2018 (UTC)


 * consulting about the best way to handle this as it's more complex than what you've told me. Tomorrow. Doug Weller  talk 20:26, 17 July 2018 (UTC)

Topic Ban
based on what edit am i being topic banned? עם ישראל חי (talk) 21:23, 17 July 2018 (UTC)
 * I don't know the backstory but I had a look at your talk and see that it had a final warning regarding the addition of "He is also a traitor" to a WP:BLP article with this edit. That would be sufficient reason for a topic ban. An article is not a collection of bad things people have said and it is obvious that declaring a politician to be a traitor in a BLP article is totally misguided. For one thing, no one can be traitor unless convicted after a court procedure. You may not be aware how WP:BLP is applied so I have left a BLP notification on your talk (and note that you have received two US politics alerts and one Arab–Israeli alert: 18 September 2017 + 17 October 2017 + 5 February 2018). Johnuniq (talk) 05:56, 18 July 2018 (UTC)

if its that one edit then why the topic ban which doesn't have anything to do with that edit עם ישראל חי (talk) 14:59, 18 July 2018 (UTC)

Please comment on Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style/Biography
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Is "Democracy Now!" an American leftist or progressive alternative radio or television program?
Concening our back-and-fourth in Alternative media (U.S. political left), I thought it would be best if we discuss whether Democracy Now! meets the criteria to be listed. It seems to me that the critera to be met are being: 1. American media 2. Alternative media: 3. Progressive/leftist: Given the evidence, it is my opinion that the answer to the above question is yes. If you believe there are additional criteria to be met or that Democracy Now! does not meet these critera, please explain. --Talib1101 (talk) 19:16, 20 July 2018 (UTC)
 * From Wikipedia's Democracy Now! article, "Democracy Now! is an hour-long American TV, radio and internet news program," meeting the criteria for American, radio, and television.
 * From Wikipedia's Alternative Media article, "These media disseminate marginalized viewpoints, such as those heard in the progressive news program Democracy Now!..."
 * Democracy Now! is listed by Kathleen D. Rickert, a reference librarian at St. Catherine University in St. Paul, Minnesota, in "Media and Democracy: Resources for alternative news and information," published by The Association of College and Research Libraries, a division of the American Library Association in College & Research Libraries News Vol 72, No 1 (2011). This indicates that democracy now is considered an alternative news resource.
 * From Wikipedia's Progressivism in the United States article, "In the 21st century, progressives continue to embrace concepts such as environmentalism and social justice."
 * From Wikipedia's American Left article, "Leftist activists in the United States have been credited with advancing social change on issues such as labor and civil rights, civil liberties,[3] peace, feminism, LGBT rights, minimum wage and environmentalism, as well as providing critiques of capitalism."
 * From Wikpedia's Democracy Now! article, "[Democracy Now!] combines news reporting, interviews, investigative journalism and political commentary with an eye toward documenting social movements, struggles for justice and the effects of American foreign policy." and "[Democracy Now! is] described as progressive by fans as well as critics..."
 * Democracy Now! is linked to three times in Wikipedia's Progressive talk radio article.
 * I'm happy to discuss this on Democracy Now's talk page where others can see it, not here. You'll need sources saying DN is leftist or progressive alternative. Those are required by policy. Please always start new discussions at the bottom of a talk page. Thanks. Doug Weller  talk 19:33, 20 July 2018 (UTC)

Please comment on Talk:InfoWars
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Re My Edits
I felt my edits on Conspiracy Theory were quite well done. I don't know why I bother to contribute to Wikipedia when I do a really really really fair and accurate well sourced fix like that. — Preceding unsigned comment added by TotalFailure (talk • contribs) 07:36, 23 July 2018 (UTC)


 * I presume you noticed that I wasn't the one who warned you - by the way, did you understand the warning and read the link? In any case, talk pages are the appropriate place to discuss edits. You should use them more especially if you are going to make major changes. I see a lot of your edits are being reverted. Doug Weller  talk 11:34, 23 July 2018 (UTC)


 * There were multiple issues: WP:POV (i.e. a media meme) and the alteration of text, that no longer represented a summary of the sources used. — Paleo  Neonate  – 15:47, 23 July 2018 (UTC)


 * I just came back to this page and saw that my script that strikes through blocked editors had struck through this one. Blocked for continued disruptive editing - poor sources, fringe, etc. Doug Weller  talk 16:22, 23 July 2018 (UTC)
 * Indeed, I also noticed it but because their talk page was on my watchlist. Thanks for the notice, — Paleo  Neonate  – 16:24, 23 July 2018 (UTC)

How does BP usually work?
Not the way what usually works? Why not? Say more words. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.22.3.186 (talk) 09:16, 25 July 2018 (UTC)


 * I assumed you understood it better. I've replied at your talk page. Doug Weller  talk 10:46, 25 July 2018 (UTC)

Please comment on Wikipedia:Village pump (policy)
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Help me ban that user who reverted the Super RTL article !
Please help me file an banning arbitration to Spshu. He keeps reverting the Super RTL and he thinks it's owned by CLT-UFA and Buena Vista International Television Investments. It's not. It's owned by Disney and RTL Group. I'm asking you to kindly file an arbitration case toward Spshu and permaban him across the Wikimedia sites.

Here's his talk page: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Spshu#Stop_reverting_Super_RTL_with_lies!

And here's the arbitration filing page: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case

I hope you'll find it useful. --Westj1211 (talk) 21:01, 26 July 2018 (UTC)


 * I’ve let this user know how incredibly off-base they are in their approach to this extremely minor dispute. Beeblebrox (talk) 23:34, 26 July 2018 (UTC)

dr doug
hi — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.209.193.208 (talk) 03:08, 29 July 2018 (UTC)

Care to take a look?
User:Buhedyar made an ultimatum demanding evidence of Persian/Iranian presence in Anatolia before the Seljuk Turks arrived. When shown two sources(Cambridge & Oxford University), to which Buhedyar's response was, "So all we have is some odd claims about a Persian minority in Eastern Anatolia in 600 BC. Backed up with no solid evidence (census, tax records etc)".

Then Buhedyar accuses me of disruptive editing, when they have no real argument against the two sources. --Kansas Bear (talk) 00:14, 30 July 2018 (UTC)

Please comment on Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style/Television
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Map of Indo-European Languages (by Phonology)
Hi, AllEmpires.com is my own website and the map was created by me, I'm an academic historian and an expert in linguistics. Please don't remove my contributions. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mojshahmiri (talk • contribs) 05:15, 30 July 2018 (UTC)

Wikidata weekly summary #323
<div style="margin-top:10px; padding-left:5px; font-family:Georgia, Palatino, Palatino Linotype, Times, Times New Roman, serif;">Here's your quick overview of what has been happening around Wikidata over the last week. <div style="-moz-column-count:2; -webkit-column-count:2; column-count:2; -webkit-column-width: 400px; -moz-column-width: 400px; column-width: 400px;">
 * Discussions
 * Closed request for comments: Help:Modelling


 * Press, articles, blog posts
 * Ce que révèlent les noms des rues de Paris (fr): a study about the names of the streets of Paris, using data from OSM and Wikidata


 * Other Noteworthy Stuff
 * EditGroups can now revert batches which created items. These items are deleted in the revert batch. This feature is only available to administrators but other users can easily request revert from the tool.
 * populationWDvsOSM: a new script that compares the population in OSM place nodes and boundary relations with Wikidata
 * user:Lakokat is back to adminship, congratulations!
 * Terminator, a tool by Magnus Manske that finds Wikidata items that lack a label, description, or article in a specific language, has now a version 2 (blog post)


 * Did you know?


 * Newest properties:
 * General datatypes: four-corner method, Cangjie input, toughness, Unicode block, fanqie, horizontal depth, valency, yield strength, Hangul of a Chinese character
 * External identifiers: Virtual Laboratory person ID, Auvergne-Rhône-Alpes Regional Inventory identifier, CONDEPHAAT ID, Academia Brasileira de Letras ID, Belgian Heritage in Brazil ID, Altmetric ID, Central Index Key, L'île author ID, Kopaliński Online ID, Open Media Database person ID, Prison History ID, Swedish place name register SOFI


 * New property proposals to review:
 * General datatypes: toponym, Bpk-Identifikator, number of arrests, Multi-channel network, Coefficient of friction, expiration date, number of persons depicted, located in the ecclesiastical territorial entity, surface roughness, environment, force, atomic mass, fatigue limit, Pitting resistance equivalent number, casting director, touringclub.it destinazione, organizational unit id
 * External identifiers: INEPAC ID, La Vie des idées ID, IDIH ID, CNRS ID, Institut culturel de Bretagne ID, CSDE Lynching Database ID, Tebeosfera character ID, QS World University URL, MUSE journal ID, Times Higher Education World University ID, iNaturalist observation ID, Indian census area code (2011), archINFORM ID (Orte), code Transport Canada, Lyrically artist ID, Flight Report Airline ID, NooSFere author ID, NooSFere book ID, PRELIB ID


 * Query examples:
 * Ancient Greek pottery items stored in Museum St-Raymond, France (source)
 * Timeline of early aviators who died in an accident (source)
 * Timeline of direct-to-video sequels of theatrical movies (source)
 * Music albums from Argentina (source)
 * Newest WikiProjects: iNaturalist
 * Newest database reports: list of lexemes, number of lexemes by languages and lexical categories


 * Development
 * Corrected several translation errors on Lexeme page (confusing Form word) (T191614)
 * Working on merging of Lexemes (T198105)
 * Working on adding a better HTML title to Lexeme pages (T195386)
 * Further work on supporting Senses on Lexemes - specifically persistent IDs for Senses and preventing the deletion of the last Gloss of a Sense (T198032, T198199)
 * Adjusted colors of the Query Service UI to be more in line with Wikimedia style guide (T192235, Thanks abian!)
 * Fixed validation of input length on Special:NewItem (T145932)
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Rheged source dispute
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Syrians
again, sorry to bother you.

but I've asked for consensus and i got ignored.

so, do i keep reverting the Syrians article until i get blocked for no reason?

because i requested consensus in the talk page before i edit, and nothing happened.

i understand that you're busy, but will you please give your opinion or at least give me an admin that will do so.

because you and the other two that I've mentioned are the only ones i know in this site.

cheers. Nacirian (talk) 07:50, 1 August 2018 (UTC)

Citizens for Global Solutions
I have no conflicts regarding this organization, other than an interest in the subject. I added in "additional citations for verification" as requested. I understand I erred in etiquette in removing the tag, but I did not understand that it must undergo further review. That said, I think my extensions and revision of the article were useful and should be restored. — Preceding unsigned comment added by PJOinDC (talk • contribs) 12:22, 1 August 2018 (UTC)


 * I didn't suggest you had a coi. However, if you look at the talk page of the article, there is the name of an editor who does have a coi. I didn't remove your edits and I suggest you discuss them at the talk page. Please sign your name with 4 tildes, eg ~ Thanks. Doug Weller  talk 12:36, 1 August 2018 (UTC)

Noah's ark and undue curtailing of debate
Please provide a reasonable justification for your reverts and don't rely solely on your opinion about an issue. If you feel that the cited source contains the information I rephrased please state so instead of making editors think there are implied threats for making good faith edits. You should engage in debate and politely point out issues you believe need to be addressed. Your edit there suggested that you were relying on your opinion and tried to quash dissenting rationales and could be seen as misusing administrative tools. Thinker78 (talk) 05:21, 2 August 2018 (UTC)


 * But that wasn't a good faith edit. You're trying to push a Creationist view here. And I didn't use my Admin tools. Scientific opinion is that the biblical Ark never existed. Doug Weller  talk 08:41, 2 August 2018 (UTC)
 * Doesn't the guideline says assume good faith? I'm not trying to push a Creationist view here. If the scientific opinion is that the biblical ark never existed then it should be properly sourced. Thinker78 (talk) 09:20, 2 August 2018 (UTC)


 * Scientists are not required to prove that something does not exist. Experiments and studies often conclude that the existence of a thing is highly unlikely. The burden on believers is to prove that something they believe in does exist. For instance, all those reports of the discovery of the ark have to be taken with copious quantities of salt. See Snopes on Noah's Ark discovery. - Donald Albury 12:37, 2 August 2018 (UTC)

Please comment on Wikipedia talk:Deletion policy
The feedback request service is asking for participation in this request for comment on Wikipedia talk:Deletion policy. Legobot (talk) 04:30, 3 August 2018 (UTC)

Hi, please note this and this. The first adds an unsourced BLP violation. The second attempts to cover it by moving it to before an existing citation. However, the citation is from years before the alleged offence. Zerotalk 09:17, 3 August 2018 (UTC)

Also topic ban violations:. Zerotalk 09:22, 3 August 2018 (UTC)

And again (also a 1RR violation). Zerotalk 11:33, 3 August 2018 (UTC)


 * ((re|Zero0000}} I've been out. I need to decide what's appropriate, but obviously I'll stop this. Doug Weller  talk 11:37, 3 August 2018 (UTC)

Domosaurus Rex
My entry Domosaurus Rex was wrongfully taken down for G3 citing a hoax or fraud, this is totally untrue! Almost defamation of character. Please help me reinstate page or tell me what was wrong with the format


 * User:RHaworth deleted it after User:Drmies tagged it for deletion, yet you come to my page? Doug Weller  talk 15:44, 3 August 2018 (UTC)
 * Cause you're my sock, you know. Drmies (talk) 15:53, 3 August 2018 (UTC)
 * Doug, maybe you and can have a look at the new and improved Draft:Domosaurus Rex. The jam "Drip When I Splash" is found here. There's some ridiculous claims in there; on the whole I think this is a case of NOTHERE (since at best this is promotional). Thanks, Drmies (talk) 15:57, 3 August 2018 (UTC)
 * Ooh. Can I nominate it for speedy deletion as spam? 2601:188:180:11F0:65F5:930C:B0B2:CD63 (talk) 16:07, 3 August 2018 (UTC)
 * Done. Feel free to remove the template if there's a preference for allowing this to play out. 2601:188:180:11F0:65F5:930C:B0B2:CD63 (talk) 16:22, 3 August 2018 (UTC)

There's some ridiculous claims in there; on the whole I think this is a case of NOTHERE (since at best this is promotional). Thanks, Drmies (talk) 15:57, 3 August 2018 (UTC) What claims? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Joseph Gambino (talk • contribs) 17:37, 3 August 2018 (UTC)
 * I've blocked to keep the WP:CIR issues from spreading to yet more user talk pages. I don't know if the editor is capable of following our guidelines but that can be worked out on his talk page. --<b style="color:navy">Neil N </b> <i style="color:blue">talk to me</i> 19:57, 3 August 2018 (UTC)


 * Thank you all for helping out. *lesigh* Anyway, I hope that some of you listened to the song and enjoyed it; I thought it was, well, let's just say that there's a lot more excitement in a half a minute of Fresh Fargo, and he's not the best in this top 10. Drmies (talk) 23:54, 3 August 2018 (UTC)
 * The unblock request at UTRS is something to behold. --<b style="color:navy">Neil N </b> <i style="color:blue">talk to me</i> 23:59, 3 August 2018 (UTC)
 * I'm sure, but I got distracted looking for some tunes by Super Nard. If you got nothing better to do, watch the video for "Break the Scales", but make sure there's no kids in the room. Drmies (talk) 00:06, 4 August 2018 (UTC)
 * I really got into it until I realized I was watching the ad before it started. If you wish to say something negative, read this first: . O3000 (talk) 00:17, 4 August 2018 (UTC)
 * Thanks, all, for helping out with this. Did WP:SPAs always get this ballistic when their promos got canned, or is the air getting hotter lately? 2601:188:180:11F0:65F5:930C:B0B2:CD63 (talk) 02:32, 4 August 2018 (UTC)


 * I've changed the block to a no legal threats block. Doug Weller  talk 08:12, 4 August 2018 (UTC)

Administrators' newsletter – August 2018
News and updates for administrators from the past month (July 2018). Administrator changes
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Guideline and policy news
 * After a discussion at Meta, a new user group called "interface administrators" (formerly "technical administrator") has been created. Come the end of August, interface admins will be the only users able to edit site-wide JavaScript and CSS pages like MediaWiki:Common.js and MediaWiki:Common.css, or edit other user's personal JavaScript and CSS. The intention is to improve security and privacy by reducing the number of accounts which could be used to compromise the site or another user's account through malicious code. The new user group can be assigned and revoked by bureaucrats. Discussion is ongoing to establish details for implementing the group on the English Wikipedia.
 * Following a request for comment, the WP:SISTER style guideline now states that in the mainspace, interwiki links to Wikinews should only be made as per the external links guideline. This generally means that within the body of an article, you should not link to Wikinews about a particular event that is only a part of the larger topic. Wikinews links in "external links" sections can be used where helpful, but not automatically if an equivalent article from a reliable news outlet could be linked in the same manner.

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User:Fofo235
Hey Doug,

A new editor with a history of edit warring is currently restoring some wp:or content to this template (Template:Historical Arab states and dynasties). He's not here to build an encyclopedia. The discussion is not going anywhere, and he have some friends (Umayyadinian, MWahaiibii). Regards -Aṭlas (talk) 23:27, 3 August 2018 (UTC)


 * another Admin has blocked him for editwarring. Doug Weller  talk 08:13, 4 August 2018 (UTC)

Friends? because i was against you edit warring i became his friend? dude you were edit warring an established fact about South Arabia being Arab its in every Wiki that talks about Arabs, and you still edit warring and reverting! Admin you should block him Aṭlas  honestly not that user if you checked editing history. MWahaiibii (talk) 09:55, 4 August 2018 (UTC)


 * Your attempt to get him blocked for a 3RR violation failed because he didn't exceed it. Doug Weller  talk 10:00, 4 August 2018 (UTC)
 * He's helping him by restoring the wp:or version of the page. -Aṭlas (talk) 20:11, 4 August 2018 (UTC)
 * How did he not exceed it ? he kept reverting within way less than 24h.

MWahaiibii (talk) 09:25, 5 August 2018 (UTC)
 * 1)
 * 2)
 * 3)


 * Exactly, 3 is less than 4. Of course, if someone does 3 reverts every 24 hours to the same article they would probably get blocked, or if they did 3 reverts and than another exactly 24 hours later they might be blocked. Doug Weller  talk 10:44, 5 August 2018 (UTC)

Please read this
When you find the time, please read this. Thank you. --Kansas Bear (talk) 13:43, 6 August 2018 (UTC)

Wikidata weekly summary #324
<div style="margin-top:10px; padding-left:5px; font-family:Georgia, Palatino, Palatino Linotype, Times, Times New Roman, serif;">Here's your quick overview of what has been happening around Wikidata over the last week. <div style="-moz-column-count:2; -webkit-column-count:2; column-count:2; -webkit-column-width: 400px; -moz-column-width: 400px; column-width: 400px;">
 * Discussions
 * Open request for adminship: Bovlb
 * Closed request for comments: Association Football Matches


 * Events
 * Past: State of the Map, the OpenStreetMap equivalent of Wikimania, was held in Milan from 28-30 July. There were two meetups on interactions between Wikimedia and OSM, and Wikidata was mentioned in several sessions, including:
 * OpenStreetMap and Wikimedia:A Quick overview
 * Maps based on Wikidata queries
 * Wikimedia in disaster management and humanitarian aid: an overview
 * Incoming: Wikidata workshop in Harvard University, MA, USA, on August 8th


 * Press, articles, blog posts
 * Machine-Generated Knowledge Bases - harvesting tuples from news and scholarly corpora and releasing them as open data
 * Wired story on the above


 * Other Noteworthy Stuff
 * Wikibase quality constraints are now loaded into the Query Service and can be queried. Queries on property talk pages have been adapted.
 * Wikidata Toolkit 0.9 has been released
 * A list of Wikidata-related activities for coursework has been started at d:Wikidata:Wikidata curricula/Activities
 * We know have more than 10,000 Lexemes in Wikidata
 * A challenge about months of the year is running, you can create Lexemes with the ones in your language


 * Did you know?


 * Newest properties:
 * General datatypes: derived from form, schematic, passive voice, registration district, expressed in, coefficient of friction, number of arrests, invasive to, microstructure, normalized Unicode character, number of works accessible online, Poisson's ratio, moisture absorption, number of platform faces, relative humidity
 * External identifiers: Auteurs en Auvergne-Rhône-Alpes ID, Eulalie ID, RedTube ID, Paris Faculty of Science professor ID, Literature Ireland ID, Livre et lecture en Bretagne ID, Paris Faculty of Letters professor ID (1909-1939), Paris Faculty of Letters professor ID (1809-1908), College de France professor ID (1909-1939), CICLIC author ID, INEPAC ID, La Vie des idées ID, Courrier international topic ID, CNRS ID, IDIH ID, Courrier international source ID, KLEKs ID, Interbibly author ID, Le Monde ID, MUSE journal ID, Institut culturel de Bretagne ID, Tebeosfera ID, CSDE Lynching Database ID, CRAN project, RubyGems gem, National Research Institute for Cultural Properties dead artist ID, Python Package Index project, Tebeosfera character ID, NooSFere author ID, NooSFere book ID, archINFORM ID (locations), CAGE code, EDb company ID, Indian census area code (2011), flight-report.com Airline identifier, Norwegian National Road DataBase ID, NATO Stock Number, QS World University ID, SMS Power identifier, Times Higher Education World University ID, Libris-URI, oric.org identifier, Artcyclopedia artist ID, Places of Worship Inventory ID, P5599


 * New property proposals to review:
 * General datatypes: value is inherited from, Guss, Countries with high prevalence, chieseitaliane ID, legal status, Match Score, topic's subcategory, Covered by, Alexander–Briggs notation
 * External identifiers: U-Multirank University ID, Trove newspaper ID, Belvedere object ID, Aosdána ID, Chercheurs d'Asie ID, Evene ID, OpenMath ID, GLAMOS ID, Swimsuit ID, archINFORM ID (Schlagwörter), CMI ID, Featured Biographies ID, CNT ID, Comédie-Française ID, DOLF ID, Marvel character ID, FFF character ID, FFF author ID, National Cartoonists Society ID, Number World ID, legabasket.it coach ID, Black Ferns ID, WSO Online ID, IEEE standard, ITU-T Recommendation, ITU-R Recommendation, LOA ID, Bibliothèque de la Pléiade ID, Global Invasive Species Database ID, iTunes music video ID


 * Query examples:
 * minerals named after women (source)
 * [https://query.wikidata.org/#%23%20which%20genres%20are%20more%20likely%20to%20be%20in%20major%20key%2C%20which%20in%20minor%20key%2C%20which%20are%20about%20equally%20distributed%3F%0A%23%20note%3A%20some%20tonalities%20are%20neither%20major%20nor%20minor%2C%20e.%E2%80%AFg.%20Q211745%20atonality%0ASELECT%20%3Fgenre%20%3FgenreLabel%20%3Ftotal%20%3Fmajor%20%3Fminor%20%28%3Fmajor%20%2F%20%3Ftotal%20AS%20%3FmajorRatio%29%0AWITH%20%7B%0A%20%20SELECT%20DISTINCT%20%3Ftonality%20WHERE%20%7B%0A%20%20%20%20%5B%5D%20wdt%3AP826%20%3Ftonality.%0A%20%20%7D%0A%7D%20AS%20%25tonalities%0AWITH%20%7B%0A%20%20SELECT%20%3Ftonality%20%3FisMajor%20%3FisMinor%20WHERE%20%7B%0A%20%20%20%20INCLUDE%20%25tonalities.%0A%20%20%20%20%3Ftonality%20rdfs%3Alabel%20%3FtonalityLabel.%0A%20%20%20%20FILTER%28LANG%28%3FtonalityLabel%29%20%3D%20%22en%22%29%0A%20%20%20%20%23%20TODO%20https%3A%2F%2Fwww.wikidata.org%2Fwiki%2FWikidata_talk%3AWikiProject_Music%23Items_for_major_and_minor_keys%0A%20%20%20%20BIND%28STRENDS%28%3FtonalityLabel%2C%20%22%20major%22%29%20AS%20%3FisMajor%29%0A%20%20%20%20BIND%28STRENDS%28%3FtonalityLabel%2C%20%22%20minor%22%29%20AS%20%3FisMinor%29%0A%20%20%7D%0A%7D%20AS%20%25tonalitiesWithMode%0AWITH%20%7B%0A%20%20SELECT%20%3Fgenre%20%3Ftonality%20%28COUNT%28DISTINCT%20%3Fcomposition%29%20AS%20%3Fcount%29%20WHERE%20%7B%0A%20%20%20%20%3Fcomposition%20wdt%3AP31%2Fwdt%3AP279%2a%20wd%3AQ207628%3B%0A%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20wdt%3AP136%2Fwdt%3AP279%2a%20%3Fgenre%3B%0A%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20wdt%3AP826%20%3Ftonality.%0A%20%20%20%20%3Fgenre%20wdt%3AP31%20wd%3AQ188451.%0A%20%20%7D%0A%20%20GROUP%20BY%20%3Fgenre%20%3Ftonality%0A%7D%20AS%20%25genresAndTonalities%20WITH%20%7B%0A%20%20SELECT%20%3Fgenre%20%28SUM%28%3Fcount%29%20AS%20%3Ftotal%29%20%28SUM%28IF%28%3FisMajor%2C%20%3Fcount%2C%200%29%29%20AS%20%3Fmajor%29%20%28SUM%28IF%28%3FisMinor%2C%20%3Fcount%2C%200%29%29%20AS%20%3Fminor%29%20WHERE%20%7B%0A%20%20%20%20INCLUDE%20%25genresAndTonalities.%0A%20%20%20%20INCLUDE%20%25tonalitiesWithMode.%0A%20%20%7D%0A%20%20GROUP%20BY%20%3Fgenre%0A%7D%20AS%20%25results%20WHERE%20%7B%0A%20%20INCLUDE%20%25results.%0A%20%20SERVICE%20wikibase%3Alabel%20%7B%20bd%3AserviceParam%20wikibase%3Alanguage%20%22%5BAUTO_LANGUAGE%5D%2Cen%22.%20%7D%0A%7D%0AORDER%20BY%20DESC%28%3Ftotal%29%20DESC%28%3Fmajor%29 Frequency of major and minor key tonalities per genre] (source)
 * Timeline of Writing Systems (source)
 * Nonprofit organizations and the software they develop (source)
 * Map of newspapers in Oregon (source)

You can see all open tickets related to Wikidata here. If you want to help, you can also have a look at the tasks needing a volunteer.
 * Development
 * Allow to show incoming links on the graph explorer dialog on WDQS (T197778)
 * Fulltext search for Lexemes and Forms (only in Lexeme namespace) has been merged (T196188)
 * We are now collecting click data when completion search on Wikidata is used (T196186) which would serve us to improve search relevancy
 * Fix a lot of issues with our test system (T200693)
 * Disallow merging of items that link to each other in references and qualifiers (T119614)
 * More work on merging Lexemes (T200884)
 * Provide useful HTML title for Lexemes (T195386)
 * Improve the validation and error message when a label, description or alias is too long (T145932, T200780)
 * Expose constraint violations to WDQS (T192567)
 * Add the possibility to download result of a query from the embed mode (T176797)
 * Get persistent editing of Senses done (T196270) (you can try it now on the beta system)
 * Work on edit summary of Senses (T196290)
 * Work on diffs of Senses (T196289)

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Please comment on Wikipedia:Reliable sources/Noticeboard
The feedback request service is asking for participation in this request for comment on Wikipedia:Reliable sources/Noticeboard. Legobot (talk) 04:29, 7 August 2018 (UTC)

Chuck DeVore Wiki
In deleting the reference to my Investor's Business Daily piece by the San Francisco Chronicle on the coming threat to the Mubarak regime in Egypt, you cite an "even earlier version wasn't backed by the relatively poor source." I'm rather surprised to hear that you consider a post by a professional journalist with the San Francisco Chronicle as a "relatively poor source." With that standard, what counts as a good source?

Linked here: https://blog.sfgate.com/politics/2011/02/15/did-ca-goper-chuck-devore-yes-chuck-devore-beat-the-cia-to-predicting-egypt-crisis/ regarding:

The former Irvine Assemblyman raised his concerns on the issue of Egypt’s future in a Jan. 11 piece in Investors’ Business Daily entitled “A Restive Egypt Faces Succession; Islamacists May Make a Bid for Power.”

BTW, that said, I thought the unnamed user's addition was superfluous. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Chuckdevore (talk • contribs) 19:26, 7 August 2018 (UTC)


 * I retract my comment about the source itself, I hadn't noticed who it was. I was concentrating mainly on the fact that the edit said "That’s right: the California GOP former U.S. Senate candidate published an analysis back in January warning Egypt was on “the brink of a chaotic transition of power” — weeks before anyone had even taken to the streets of Cairo." and the text in your article said "He also was one of the few in the West to warn of the danger to the Mubarak regime in Egypt before it was overthrown by the Muslim Brotherhood in 2011." Not the same thing. The other thing is to show that this is significant (see WP:UNDUE) you need to show it got more attention than just one short piece. You need to find sources that back the text and suggest it on the talk page of the article about you. I wouldn't be surprised if you were one of the few sources, but it's a big statement so needs more than one source and the sources must precisely back the text. I hope you appreciate it that this sort of policy protects biographies from a one-off negative comments. Don't forget to sign with 4 tildes, eg ~ Doug Weller  talk 18:32, 7 August 2018 (UTC)

Thanks. To avoid editing my own page, might you then restore the comment but remove the harder to prove part about being one of the few in the West to warn...? Though I'd contend that the SF Chronicle's headline about my "Beating the CIA" rather makes that point.

As for the four tildes, I got nothing -- I edit a few pages from time-to-time, but am hardly the expert. User:Chuck DeVore Chuckdevore (talk) 18:59, 7 August 2018 (UTC)


 * Struggling to find time, I'll try to think about this tomorrow. Doug Weller  talk 19:23, 8 August 2018 (UTC)

An editor with a revisionist afrocentrist agenda
Hey Doug,

I'm just letting you know that there is an editor (Daniel Power of God) with an afrocentrist agenda. You encountered him in some pages. He's not here to build an encyclopedia. As he's misrepresenting sources, using unspecialist/outdated sources and cherry picking sources to push his point of view in many pages. Just take a look at his edits and you'll see what I'm talking about. Kind Regards -Aṭlas (talk) 21:41, 7 August 2018 (UTC)
 * I've run into him before, but I'm struggling for time. I need some good examples, I can't do the research right now. Doug Weller  talk 19:25, 8 August 2018 (UTC)

Gungywamp
Hi Doug, I noticed that when searching the home page for Gungywamp it initially includes the word "mountain" (see attached screen shot). Mountain is not correct and needs to be changed to "archaeological site" but I can't figure out where to change it. Any help is appreciated! Thx, Station9 (talk) 20:43, 8 August 2018 (UTC)




 * The problem seems to have been in WikiData, where Gungywamp was classified as a mountain. There was no other information about Gungywamp, so I changed it to "archaeological site". - Donald Albury 00:54, 9 August 2018 (UTC)


 * Thank you! -Station9 (talk) 11:11, 9 August 2018 (UTC)

YGM
- DVdm (talk) 17:31, 9 August 2018 (UTC)

Wider forum for move request
Hi, Doug Weller, I've put in a move request at Talk:Hagley Park, since I believe it needs to be disambiguated from Hagley Park, Worcestershire, on which I'm working at present. There's a matter of principle over primacy involved and I therefore think a wider forum needs to be alerted to the discussion so that it doesn't fall victim to regional rivalries. I know there's a mechanism for inviting wider participation and would be grateful if you'd let me know how to initiate it. Sweetpool50 (talk) 20:07, 8 August 2018 (UTC)


 * I see you've been given a link as to the proper way to do it, which I suggest you follow. A dab page can then be created called Hagley Park, if the move succeeds. I suggest you mention that. Doug Weller  talk 15:37, 9 August 2018 (UTC)

Yes, thanks, that seems to have done the trick. Sweetpool50 (talk) 22:08, 9 August 2018 (UTC)

Please comment on Talk:Ohio gubernatorial election, 2018
The feedback request service is asking for participation in this request for comment on Talk:Ohio gubernatorial election, 2018. Legobot (talk) 04:31, 11 August 2018 (UTC)

FYI
At Wikipedia_talk:Vital_articles/Level/5, you used Template:Feminist. Did you mean to use, much I did to ping you? p b  p  03:46, 11 August 2018 (UTC)


 * oops. Thanks. Doesn't matter now as I had it all backwards. Doug Weller  talk 13:45, 11 August 2018 (UTC)

birthday of Max Simon Cohn (aka Max Frank Collin)
http://www.muenchen.de/rathaus/gedenkbuch/gedenkbuch.html

Do you consider the Munich Gedenkbuch a reliable source? The entry for Siegfried Cohn (father of Max Simon Cohn) lists his birthday as August 23, 1913  (born in Munich). See the bottom of this pasted entry (I made it bold):

Cohn, Siegfried (Itzig) Kaufmann Geboren am 09.03.1868 in Waitze, Kr. Birnbaum, Bez. Posen verheiratet

Deportiert am 04.06.1942 nach Theresienstadt Ermordet am 23.03.1943 in Theresienstadt (16. Adar II 5703)

Eltern: Moritz Simon Cohn, Kaufmann und Pauline Cohn, geb. Ury

Geschwister: Gustav, geboren 28.10.1877 Wronki, gestorben 19.01.1942 München, Suizid

Heirat: Heirat am 28.01.1909 in Hannover mit Gertrud Anna Cohn, geb. Hoffmann, geboren am 28.04.1882 in Hannover, gestorben am 27.06.1941 in Heilanstalt Bendorf-Sayn

Kind(er): Max Simon, geboren am 23.08.1913 in München Ruth, geboren am 03.09.1920 in München

Thanks,

Precis (talk) 19:28, 12 August 2018 (UTC)

Editor behavior
Hi Doug. See this version and this version.

The former overview of Saudi Arabian history was messy and every kingdom/state has its section, Nabataean, Lihyan, Kindah, Thamud and Dilmun (two sentences maximum for many sections, transmitted from their respected articles long time ago). What I did was for the most part merely re-writing and adding additional informations, given utmost concern to WP:MOS, including consistency and layout.

This version is preferred by me, Wikavianiand Jbh. And even asked a third party to give his opinion, who stated there probably shouldn't be separate sections for every kingdom/state and adviced to make the history section more concise.

It is a dead end with Oxfordlaw, he is determined to revert the version. Nabataeus (talk) 03:21, 8 August 2018 (UTC)


 * try WP:DRN. Doug Weller  talk 19:26, 8 August 2018 (UTC)


 * I tried the 3O method of dispute resolution, and the participant cited his opinion (separate sections shouldn't be made), not only did Oxfordlaw insist on his manuel of style that was discouraged by the third party, but he goes against the preferred version of three users, thus against the general consensus. I really did everything possible to extract opinions and multiple users' thoughts on the issue, which they gladly did, however all of it was in void in the face of Oxfordlaw determination. So my last resort was trying to ask for an admin arbitration. You could direct me to another admin if you're busy. Best regards. Nabataeus (talk) 15:48, 9 August 2018 (UTC)


 * I'm very sorry, but that's not part of our role. [WP:DRN]] is quite different from third opinion. If you do that and a decision goes against him, then I can deal with conduct if he ignores it. Let me know what happens. Doug Weller  talk 15:52, 9 August 2018 (UTC)


 * My case was closed, since Oxfordlaw was not engaging in the discussion! Anyhow, the version that Oxfordlaw revert is supported by multiple users, hereand here, and me (while the former version was not preferred by anyone). There's a consensus but Oxfordlaw would edit war the minute I restore the version. What should I do? Nabataeus (talk) 23:12, 12 August 2018 (UTC)

User violating ban?
Is this user in violation of his ban? He's putting all kinds of BLPs on AfD. I only recognize Heather Boushey, who is an influential liberal think tank wonk. Snooganssnoogans (talk) 19:38, 10 August 2018 (UTC)


 * Noting that the user was blocked as a sock. Doug Weller  talk 12:12, 13 August 2018 (UTC)

Wikidata weekly summary #325
<div style="margin-top:10px; padding-left:5px; font-family:Georgia, Palatino, Palatino Linotype, Times, Times New Roman, serif;">Here's your quick overview of what has been happening around Wikidata over the last week. <div style="-moz-column-count:2; -webkit-column-count:2; column-count:2; -webkit-column-width: 400px; -moz-column-width: 400px; column-width: 400px;">
 * Discussions
 * Open request for adminship: Bencemac


 * Press, articles, blog posts
 * Celtic Knot 2018 – How can Wikidata support minority language Wikipedias, by Delphine Dallison
 * The rise of Wikidata as a linked data source, by Karen Smith-Yoshimura on the OCLC Research blog
 * A global collection of astrolabes in linked open data, by Martin Poulter, University of Oxford. With the Museum of the History of Science which is part of the university, Martin is exploring a possible "Sum of all Astrolabes" project. This post is to promote the idea to researchers and GLAM staff.
 * Where do Mayors Come From: Querying Wikidata with Python and SPARQL, by Nikolai Janakiev


 * Other Noteworthy Stuff
 * list of badged items without claims has a new format
 * Sitelinks for the new Santali Wikipedia (satwiki) can be added. Links to the new Chinese Wikiversity (zhwikiversity) can be made
 * The logs of (anonymized) SPARQL queries are now available
 * wikidata-edit now supports 'somevalue' and 'novalue' claims and qualifiers
 * thus, wikidata-cli now also supports 'somevalue' and 'novalue' claims and qualifiers
 * During Wikimania 2018, 25 people attended to a workshop about Lexicographical data. The results of this experience and the related tickets are summarized here.
 * New admin: Bovlb. Welcome on board!


 * Did you know?


 * Newest properties:
 * General datatypes: station category, located in the ecclesiastical territorial entity, fatigue limit, type of water supply, pitting resistance equivalent number, Vietnamese reading
 * External identifiers: U-Multirank university ID, TCI destination ID, Chercheurs d'Asie ID, Trove newspaper ID, archINFORM keyword ID, DOLF ID, Split This Rock poet ID, OpenMath ID, chieseitaliane ID, legabasket.it ID, Bibliothèque de la Pléiade ID, Aosdána ID, CNT ID, Comédie-Française ID, Evene ID, LOA ID, FFF author ID, FFF character ID, Marvel character ID, National Cartoonists Society author ID, Global Invasive Species Database ID, WSO Online ID


 * New property proposals to review:
 * General datatypes: Prisoner count, relative to, Railway traffic side, code DGAC, Membro della squadra nazionale, linear thermal expansion coefficient, glass transition temperature, heat deflection temperature, compressive strength, bulk modulus, flexural modulus, flexural strength, shear modulus, shear strength, tear resistance, abrasion resistance, Vicat softening point, thermal diffusivity, chemical resistance, permeation, electrical resistivity, relative permittivity, relative permeability, dissipation factor, magnetic ordering, noun for other gender, combines lexemes, form is subject of, Airline Accounting Code, dummy value, identifier
 * External identifiers: iTunes music video ID, New Zealand Business Number, Brasseur ID, football.it female player ID, Gynopedia place ID, MuIS collection ID, CNL ID, RSL ID, LARB ID, Canal Académie ID, World Rugby Women's World Cup player ID, New Zealand Book Council ID, ANZL ID, Carthalia ID, TRBC, Theatrum ID, VGMdb product ID, Amphi-Theatrum ID, Persons of Indian Studies ID, National Humanities Medal ID, Expedia hotel ID, anime AniDB ID, creator AniDB ID, character AniDB ID, SR Nummer, identifiant Inventaire et Documentation du Patrimoine Culturel du Maroc, Exoplanet Data Explorer ID, Morse code, Extrasolar Planets Encyclopaedia ID, NASA Exoplanet Archive ID, France Musique ID, Académie française ID, Académie de Mâcon member ID, Académie de Montpellier member ID, Académie de Versailles member ID, Invasive Species Compendium Datasheet ID, MusicBrainz release ID, Saskatchewan Sports Hall of Fame ID, Cartooning for Peace ID, Savoirs ENS ID, Diffusion ENS ID, Quais du polar ID


 * Deleted properties: USGS-ANSS event page (P5089), Projeto Excelências ID (P2731)
 * Query examples:
 * Topics for which the English Wikipedia wikilinks to the University of Virginia but the corresponding Wikidata entry does not
 * Map of institutions where Canadian citizens got their PhD
 * Space probes that have their own Twitter accounts (source)
 * Newspapers in Wikidata with a recorded place of publication (source)
 * Countries whose capital city can be spelled out only using letters from the country's name (source)
 * Amara taxons and their Wikispecies link (source)
 * Things related to open access to research in Japan (source)
 * Newest WikiProjects: Humanitarian Wikidata


 * Development
 * More work on merging Lexemes (T198105)
 * Possibility to add statements to just created Forms (T201389)
 * Provide useful HTML title for Lexemes (T195386)
 * Remove a Sense (T196283)
 * View a referenced Sense (T196264)
 * Edit summaries for Senses (T196290)

You can see all open tickets related to Wikidata here. If you want to help, you can also have a look at the tasks needing a volunteer.


 * Monthly Tasks
 * Add labels, in your own language(s), for the new properties listed above.
 * Comment on property proposals: all open proposals
 * Suggested and open tasks!
 * Contribute to a Showcase item.
 * Help translate or proofread the interface and documentation pages, in your own language!
 * Help merge identical items across Wikimedia projects.
 * Help write the next summary!

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FYI
Hi Doug, hope you're doing well. Minor thing, but letting you know as the blocking admin. pointed out that has a declared alt on ar.wiki,. It hasn't edited here since your block, but I'm letting you know in case you want to match the block to the main account. TonyBallioni (talk) 12:08, 13 August 2018 (UTC)


 * , thanks, do you think I should just blocked that account? And I'm not sure which you are saying is the "main account". Doug Weller  talk 12:49, 13 August 2018 (UTC)
 * Jobas is the main account. Alaa said that on ar.wiki, Jobas1 declares itself as a valid alt of Jobas, which you blocked here. If it were me, I'd just match the blocks of the two accounts. TonyBallioni (talk) 12:53, 13 August 2018 (UTC)
 * I'm clearly having a bad day. Which two accounts are blocked? Are you saying I should block the Jobas1 on enwiki, which would make sense in any case? Doug Weller  talk 13:11, 13 August 2018 (UTC)
 * Yes. You blocked Jobas as a CU block. Jobas1 is not blocked, but is the same person according to ar.wiki admins. Sorry for any confusion. TonyBallioni (talk) 13:12, 13 August 2018 (UTC)
 * Thanks for help. Hello Doug, you blocked Jobas indefinitely on 30 May 2017, and here user Jobas1 wrote that his main account is Jobas 17:57, 13 August 2018 (UTC)
 * Also if you see this edit (and the page history) you'll see that he edited the page by both accounts -- Alaa  )..! 17:59, 13 August 2018 (UTC)


 * Alaa  thanks, although the link to "here" goes to a non-existent article. I can't seem to ping you, either it's my keyboard (which was wonky earlier) or the characters in your name, but I couldn't add "}}" after them.  Doug Weller  talk 18:06, 13 August 2018 (UTC)
 * Fixed. Thanks for notification -- Alaa  )..! 18:09, 13 August 2018 (UTC)

You comment at ARCA
I think you meant to ping Rebbecca but you mistyped the template --Shrike (talk) 13:45, 14 August 2018 (UTC)


 * , thanks. Did a new correct ping, signed, saved, removed the unwanted sig. That should work. Doug Weller  talk 13:48, 14 August 2018 (UTC)

Please comment on Talk:Sofia Airport
The feedback request service is asking for participation in this request for comment on Talk:Sofia Airport. Legobot (talk) 04:32, 15 August 2018 (UTC)

URGENT EMAIL - affecting PlusNet / EE phone network
Doug I have just sent you an extremely urgent personal email regarding a range block you placed earlier today. I believe it may impact upon an entire phone network - please read immediately and acknowledge here. It would seems appropriate for me to contact other admins if you are unable to respond soon. Many thanks. Nick Moyes (talk) 12:50, 15 August 2018 (UTC)
 * It looks like the issue has now been resolved. I'm no longer seeing a block on my phone network. Many thanks, Nick Moyes (talk) 13:21, 15 August 2018 (UTC)

Re: Euro colonization of America
Thank you for the welcoming. I understand your point of view as well. However it would be more enlightening I believe, to denote the Norse explorers as Norwegians, as "Norse" means whoever from Scandinavia at the time. The "Norse" went to Constantinople and Bagdad for trade as well, but there weren't many Danes and Norwegians among them, just to take an example. Same goes for the South of England, where there were mostly Danes. The Viking explorer leaders in America were all Norwegian, and the fellowship was almost exclusevily of Norwegian descent too. Erikson was also an official hirdman of the King, and knowledge of the new lands reached back, as witnessed by Adam of Bremen. But I will find a proper source before I edit that particular page again. All statements in the other page u made revisions in, were sourced properly and I also made a little comment for you about the area names in America. You seem to know a lot about this too, I assume you know that the locations of Helluland and Markland are believed by an abundance of researchers, to be Baffin and Labrador. Vinland however is disputed. The book with the map by professor Gjerset (1915) reflects historians' closest estimated analysis.

Regards! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Gange Hrolfr (talk • contribs) 18:50, 15 August 2018 (UTC)
 * As a person of predominantly Norwegian ancestry, I wholly endorse this argument (We were here First! Or maybe a distant second...). As a Wikipedian, however, I needs me some sources before I'll accept any claims in an article.
 * , please read Identifying reliable sources and using that guide, find some reliable sources that support this content. It shouldn't be too hard, as this is a subject I am not wholly unfamiliar with and your claims track very well with what I know. ᛗᛁᛟᛚᚾᛁᚱPants   Tell me all about it.  19:10, 15 August 2018 (UTC)

Merge Dul-Qarnayn and Alexander the Great in the Quran
Doug, can we begin whatever process is necessary to merge these two articles? Reading the Alexander the Great in the Quran article it seems clear to me that the only place he appears is in the Dhul-Qarnayn story, which means there's nothing that con't be covered in a single article.PiCo (talk) 03:22, 17 August 2018 (UTC)

Merger discussion for Alexander the Great in the Quran
An article that you have been involved in editing&mdash;Alexander the Great in the Quran&mdash;has been proposed for merging with another article. If you are interested, please participate in the merger discussion. Thank you. PiCo (talk) 08:01, 17 August 2018 (UTC) PiCo (talk) 08:01, 17 August 2018 (UTC)

Request for help
Hi Doug, a user whom you had some interactions with in the past has reactivated himself and is disrupting National Liberation Front (Greece) and Greek WWII-related articles. Could you please have a look? Constantine  ✍  17:00, 17 August 2018 (UTC)
 * Oh, and just now he was kind enough to send an email with the threat "Stop marxist propaganda commies or I will change tactics!" (I tried to keep the bad diction as best I could while translating). Cheers, Constantine  ✍  17:01, 17 August 2018 (UTC)


 * blocked him for disruptive editing and personal attacks. Funny thing, I edited Plevris's article today. (See my post on his talk page). Doug Weller  talk 17:47, 17 August 2018 (UTC)


 * Thanks Doug, I had just reported him at ANI (I guessed you'd be out on a Friday evening ;)). I'll go and remove it. Constantine  ✍  17:49, 17 August 2018 (UTC)


 * - I was on my way to shower when I got your notification. I've now fully protected the page for a week, we'll see how he behaves. Meanwhile, since Greece is under the Balkans DS, I've added a DS notice to the talk page and an alert to his talk page. Doug Weller  talk 18:26, 17 August 2018 (UTC)
 * Thanks a lot, again. Best, Constantine  ✍  18:32, 17 August 2018 (UTC)

Ukwuani people
My intent to summarize the Ukwuani source as briefly as possible, so as to try to avoid copyright or other related issues, had an effect on showing a neutral point of view. How would you recommend I go about balancing this? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Daniel Power of God (talk • contribs) 14:35, 18 August 2018 (UTC)


 * I think my edit did that. Doug Weller  talk 14:48, 18 August 2018 (UTC)


 * I meant more generally. A close, literal paraphrasing of a source seems to lead to possible violation of copyright and/or plagiarism policy. "Summarizing" a source seems to lead to possible violation of neutral point of view policy. Both seem to lead to warnings of being blocked from editing.--Daniel Power of God (talk) 21:01, 18 August 2018 (UTC)

Spherical Earth edits and omissons
Greetings Doug. I must say that the format and regulations here are much different than I'm used to. While the editing tools are much more numerous the format is a combination of facebook and a nicer discussion forum. Buts its the facebook resemblance that makes formating harder. Anyway, The section on the Hebrew Bible was historically incorrect and the sources come from the revisionist Wellhausen school of thought which has always been based on racial hated against Jews and nothing to do with actual education. Having mastered this view, and effortlessly defeating all opponents online in one consecutive debate after the other, it was only proper to get true information on to Wikipedia instead of the evolutionary bias. You will notice that in the write-up on the Hebrews the author had only parroted what he learned from the Wellhausen school which is false. In the section on the Hebrew I just removed the work that was there completely since it was a bias and not a true one. In a debate with any professor in the world I cannot lose since my information is the most reliable. After all, why should Wikipedia cater to a political bias against a group of people like Christians? Removing the hate speech and replacing it with education was and is my aim. The sooner the bias hatred against Christianity is removed the more useful Wikipedia will become. I offer real and useful knowledge...knowledge I have not only acquired over years of research, but also have debated and effortlessly won my debates. Also notice I did not edit the section on the Qur'an. Tafsir Al-Jalalayn says the Qur'an teaches flat earth but I did not add that. But since every worldview was given fair treatment it was only reasonable to lay down the truth about what the Biblical actually teaches which is not fairly represented here.

The section on the Book of Job is based on more reliable analysis from Henry Morris among others who have laid down a strong case for a much earlier date than the date atheists have assigned for the Book. There is no mention of the Patriarchs, the Mosaic Covenant, or anything Hebrew. Moses was the compiler and chief editor of the Book in which he preserved. The style of writing and language mirrors all ancient literature known of that time. Having read a great deal of Sumerian literature, the Book of Job is as old as they are. There is no way Job lived in the 4th century B.C. as atheists claim he lived in. Again, without a single mention of the Mosaic covenant or to anything Israeli for that matter proves the case Morris laid out. A good compromise would be to place the Book at 1000 B.C. but even then the style of writing and content therein does not match the the style of writing of any known literature of that later date. And while these days the most reputable scholars on the matter may indeed be the minority on the matter, education should never be a mob rules mentality. That is what I am trying to avoid here, and by doing so making Wikipedia a better and more respectable place for students to learn. As of right now no University professor will allow students to use this page due to the bias given on this page. If I am granted permission to edit out bias and false revisionist history and replace that with greater known facts then perhaps Wikipedia will lose the bias and truly become the online Dictionary it sought to become in the first place. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Fezzilla (talk • contribs) 19:35, 18 August 2018 (UTC)
 * , I really hope no professors are stopping students from reading Wikipedia. We wouldn't want our articles to be used as sources, but good articles will have useful sources that the can research. My advice to you is to use the article talk pages to suggest your edits and get consensus for them. Doug Weller  talk 20:11, 18 August 2018 (UTC)
 * Wikipedia does not aim to be a dictionary. It is also a secular encyclopedia with academic bias.  Wikipedia is not considered a reliable source for its own citations by its own criteria, since it could allow circular issues and is user generated.  Reading Wikipedia should be done with critical thinking and I agree with Doug above that very important are the sources used in articles.  Articles are expected to summarize and cite reliable sources, ideally secondary and tertiary scholarly ones.  — Paleo  Neonate  – 01:43, 19 August 2018 (UTC)

Please comment on Wikipedia talk:Identifying reliable sources
The feedback request service is asking for participation in this request for comment on Wikipedia talk:Identifying reliable sources. Legobot (talk) 04:30, 19 August 2018 (UTC)

About my omissions and additions[[]]
Doug Weller, I first want to apologize for opening up a second section to discuss the matter with you, as it may have been more appropriate to say everything in one message instead of two messages. That being said I do want to respond to the claims made that Henry Morris is not a reliable source of information. He is the father of modern creationism and accepted by just about every denomination as authoritative on issues related to Biblical creationism. Some of his best works include The Remarkable Record of Job and The Henry Morris Study Bible which was sources in the Book of Job section. The arguments Morris laid down for an early date for Job are accepted by the majority of Christians who are Christians. No atheist has any authority over the matter and should not be allowed to be in charge of Biblical write-ups here, as all of them are loaded full of errors which are very easily refuted with greater known facts. I used the most reputable sources known in the world for the Spherical Earth section and have spent a year debating atheists for several hours a day effortlessly winning all debates, no contest. I used nothing but the best and most reputable Hebrew lexicons which I sourced in the Spherical Earth section. I used the best English translation of the Bible which is the 1537 Matthew's Bible, as William Tyndale and his friends were the best translators ever and did the best job translating Hebrew and Greek into English as all lexicons and Bible Commentaries strongly agree with all Tyndale influenced translations over the erroneous blunders of the Geneva scholars. My rule violations were not intentional but the compilers of the original content made many deliberate errors which, I believe, has hurt Wikipedia's reputation as a true educational source. So perhaps you may take my information of the Spherical Earth and reformat the information in a way that best suits this site. I clearly am an amateur to this site and am now worried that any other edits I may do may result in me getting banned. I am merely here to contribute true information to this database that is based on higher sources of information and not the political bias. Christianity is the world's largest worldview and there is no reason why we should be bastardized by this site with false information coming from atheists who lose debates to me on a daily basis. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Fezzilla (talk • contribs) 22:07, 18 August 2018 (UTC) — Berean Hunter   (talk)  04:33, 19 August 2018 (UTC)
 * Sounds like we have a winner...

What Professors Really Do Say About Wikipedia
Doug Weller. Thanks for the reply to my first message. I will take your advice and discuss the information with others. Though I must be real and blatantly honest with you about what Professors say about Wiki and why they say these things. I have yet to meet a Professor or hear about a Professor from students and friends who have attended College that will allow their students to use Wikipedia. The reason is (a) students need to learn how to do their own research without assuming (b) Wiki holds a political bias against certain issues. Some Professors will fail their students for using Wikipedia. I have not been dishonest with you but have expressed to you the truth of what College Professors think about Wiki. But I figure if Wikipedia because more educational and lost the political bias then Professors, or at some of them, may change their tune a little. Now the contributors who do all the write-ups involving all things Biblical are wrong in everything I've read here. What good does it do to allow such erroneous write-ups if in the end the person who holds the view and debates someone like me will just lose their position rather quickly. Just think how strong and reliable Wikipedia information would be if indeed it lost the political bias against all things Bible.

I am out there debating people holding the same information your contributors here have posted in the sections I had corrected. These debates are humiliating atheists because their information is destroyed by my research in which I can and do destroy all arguments opposed to greater known facts. I have effortlessly refuted the information with the greatest of ease. With this said, I believe it would be less embarrassing to all students, regardless of their beliefs, if for once Wikipedia allowed Biblical facts instead of all the political bias which has done nothing but cause a constant friction among Americans and great embarrassment among those holding this fallacious information that very badly needs to be corrected before others are also embarrassed by me and others now using method of refuting atheists which is now causing mass extinction among the flat earth movement.

I am just trying to be reasonable and keeping it a real learning experience. Students need to be educated and not bastardized by a political bias. Keeping it real and genuine is what Wikipedia should be about. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Fezzilla (talk • contribs) 22:28, 18 August 2018 (UTC)
 * I am not answering for Doug Weller, only participating., : these are your personal beliefs.  Wikipedia editors, like anyone, have their own beliefs but that should not prevent them from making abstraction, reviewing reliable sources, selecting them and representing them.  We also have a related article, reliability of Wikipedia.  Thanks, — Paleo  Neonate  – 01:57, 19 August 2018 (UTC)
 * Also, bad sampling. My astronomy professor was all about checking Wikipedia to find the sources that were cited.  My early American lit prof thought it was better than any random Google search or Geocities page, just not stable or professional.  But "professors don't trust Wikipedia" is one of the usual complaints from people who didn't get their way that our grapes must be sour.
 * As for most of our Bible related pages, they're based on sources usually written by professors, many of them at seminaries, that just don't pander to the Sunday school crowd. There's a difference between being well-read and "anti-Bible." Ian.thomson (talk) 02:03, 19 August 2018 (UTC)
 * any professor who fails a student simply for misuse of Wikipedia has clearly failed in his duties as an educator. A key part of teaching is to teach students how to distinguish between good and bad sources, failure to do that is really pretty unforgivable. So is failing someone just because they used a poor source, of course. Doug Weller  talk 15:31, 19 August 2018 (UTC) Oops, broken ping for User:Fezzilla.  Doug Weller  talk 16:47, 19 August 2018 (UTC)
 * As a professor myself, the issue for me is the use of any tertiary source, not political bias. I tell my students it's fine to start here but to follow the sources.  Eve rgr een Fir  (talk) 16:26, 19 August 2018 (UTC)