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F-104 edit
Hi, and I would like to add my own welcome. Please be aware that if you do not leave an edit summary your input may be questioned and reverted. Please also be aware that when you modify a statement that is directly referenced that there is a very good chance that the information will no longer match the reference. You are free to replace any statement with your own reference of course. I am relatively new here myself but if I can help in any way then please shout. Many thanks Nimbus227 (talk) 21:18, 28 February 2008 (UTC)

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F-104 Starfighter
Hi Duke, no problem on my part about the information regarding accident rates, just where it belongs and quitting the edit warring over the placement of the information. FWiW Bzuk (talk) 14:47, 25 September 2009 (UTC).

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NPOV?
You might try reading the actual source page, instead of trying so hard to cover up the screwups of those involved... You might also try less hard making this about my opinion.  TREKphiler any time you're ready, Uhura 01:37, 9 January 2010 (UTC)


 * It IS your bloody opinion, Trek. And it's wrong. Why are your being so damned stiff-necked about this? Dukeford (talk) 01:45, 9 January 2010 (UTC)

Watch your language, WP:CIVIL applies to everyone, and because of your edit warring and breaking WP:3RR I could have blocked both of you. Instead, I have protected the page. -MBK004 02:21, 9 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Also, you should discuss this on the article's talk page because if you continue to edit war once the protection expires, I will not hesitate to revoke your editing privileges. -MBK004 02:22, 9 January 2010 (UTC)


 * Agreed, we could've avoided this. I'll acknowledge my tone in the page may've been too strong. Have a look at what I tried putting back in: it leaves off blaming anybody too much (I hope), tho I do think mentioning inaction by English et al. is warranted (they were the immediate superiors) & Blandy's, as head of BuOrd, without going to "derelict". I also think what you said about the culture at the time should be included, because readers now won't get why not acting was OK. (I certainly didn't know it, & I thought I knew my way around the subject.)   TREKphiler  any time you're ready, Uhura 02:57, 9 January 2010 (UTC)


 * Where I stand? Leaving off mention inaction by Christie, FIfe, English, & Blandy is wrong. It gives an incomplete picture of the situation, & doesn't do justice to the sub sailors; it makes them look like whiners (unfairly, IMO). The "get over it" situation may be what was usual, & if it is, your remarks of what was usual & why bear adding, 'cause I'll bet there's quite a few other readers of Blair (& Beach, & O'Kane) who don't know it, either. Rewriting, I tried staying off strong language (my judgement of Withers' refusal was it was absolute, but...; & resetting the gyros approaches sabotage, IMO, but I know that won't fly); could be it's still stronger than it needs to be.  TREKphiler  any time you're ready, Uhura 04:35, 9 January 2010 (UTC)


 * I looked at the source page. It's well-written but far too wordy.  These articles aren't supposed to be essays, and that was the reason for my edits of your sourced info.  I think (and I'm not alone here) that the article is still too verbose, and could stand to be cut down even further.  I can appreciate your zeal, though.  I just don't think we need to get into that much detail. As an example, the Kelly Turner page was, at one time, essentially a treatise on how Kelly screwed up the intel at Pearl, etc. etc.  Well, it got rewritten (and condensed considerably) in the style of an encyclopedia page, which is what we should be aiming for here. Dukeford (talk) 18:44, 9 January 2010 (UTC)


 * I take a view "let it be as long as it needs to be". It's not a simple subject, especially for the uninititated. And to simply this for everybody, let's put the comments on the talk page there, instead.  TREKphiler  any time you're ready, Uhura 20:01, 9 January 2010 (UTC)

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King Derangement Syndrome
Well, I see that the King Haters have once again corrupted this article with more baseless and inaccurate vitriol on King's role in Operation Drumbeat. None of these recent edits can in any way be considered NPOV, particularly when throwing around terms like "bigoted" or "incompetent". What a mess.Dukeford (talk) 22:37, 2 August 2020 (UTC)

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