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Kappa Sig
Only and administrator can totally remove a page and no one can clear a history as far as i'm aware without removing the whole page. Only a AFD or a speedy delete tag can begin this process. You are welcome to nominate any page that you believe falls into this category but it must meet certain conditions and in the case of AFD the community at large must comment on it and a Admin will delete or keep based on the consensus he feel has been reached. Don't nominate pages in bad faith or that clearly do not meet any of the criteria for AFD or Speedy delete as this is considered vandalism. As for a particular section if it does not pertain to the article or is all un-verifiable content then feel free to be Bold and delete it its self. just be aware that other editors will scrutinize your actions. They may attempt to add the section back in more so if the content was cited or if it was a core part of the article in which case you may need to defend your actions in debate, and be prepared to listen to other Wikipedian's arguments.

Finally as for just a line that says a secret phrase or describes a secret process of an organization then that can promptly be deleted as i said before since its unverifiable.

Hope this helps any questions or comments just leave them on my talk page. And if no one has done it yet Welcome to Wikipedia! And if you haven't already since this seems to be an issue that concerns you join WikiProject Fraternities and Sororities Its where we who watch out for and improve Greek Pages like to hang out and there is lots of good info on the talk pages and plenty to do.

Thanks and Good Luck!Trey (talk) 19:38, 9 January 2008 (UTC)

Good edit concerning the religious requirement -- I think it aptly summarizes the situation. I had hoped it would stay off the page, but if it has to be there, I think your edit puts it most appropriately. AEKDB Jheiv (talk) 07:14, 30 May 2008 (UTC)

see: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Kappa_Sigma#traditional_history —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.18.209.208 (talk) 23:33, 29 July 2008 (UTC)

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Kappa Sigma Convention in 1939
The convention in 1939 is listed as being Glacier National Park, however that leads to a disambiguation page. Was the convention in Montana, USA or British Columbia, Canada?
 * Don't know. The Docet just says Glacier. My guess is in Montana.--Enos733 (talk) 18:30, 8 September 2010 (UTC)
 * OK. Any idea where that information can be gotten?Naraht (talk) 01:43, 9 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Not off hand - older Docets or Caduceuses? Actually if someone has their old magazines, that would be a great place for historical information--Enos733 (talk) 06:42, 10 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Nothing like continuing a thread four *years* later... I found out that it was in Montana. http://fultonhistory.com/Newspaper%2011/Corning%20NY%20Evening%20%20Leader/Corning%20NY%20Evening%20%20Leader%201939%20Dec-Mar%201940%20Grayscale/Corning%20NY%20Evening%20%20Leader%201939%20Dec-Mar%201940%20Grayscale%20-%200042.pdf (the article whose title starts "Corningite given".Naraht (talk) 13:28, 10 November 2014 (UTC)
 * Naraht, dare I ask how you happened to come across this paper? Amazing find. "Of all the gin joints ... in all the world"...--Enos733 (talk) 03:53, 12 November 2014 (UTC)

Lists of Constitutional Court cases
Thanks for all your work on the ConCourt case lists! I know how timeconsuming it can be, from the ones that I've done. I hope you don't mind the changes I've made to them. - htonl (talk) 20:39, 23 January 2011 (UTC)
 * No. That is Wikipedia is for - to expand, correct, and made the world's information easily accessible. --Enos733 (talk) 04:24, 24 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Also, where are you finding the sort key? It is not the neutral citation, nor on most of the information I find accessible?--Enos733 (talk) 04:27, 24 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Ah, the sort key for the case no. column I derive from the "CCT xx/yy" case number. Basically, take the year part (yy) and expand it to a four-digit year and then add a dash and the xx part (with a zero in front if it is only one digit). So, "CCT 23/99" becomes "1999-23", and "CCT 4/02" becomes "2002-04". That way, when you sort the case number column, it sorts by the year part first and then by the number of the case within that year. If there wasn't a sort key, it would sort by the number part first and then the year, which wouldn't make much sense. - htonl (talk) 04:54, 24 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Makes sense. Although we seem to have a good method for these tables, have you checked out the lists of cases for the Supreme Court of Canada (2002 reasons) or the lists for the United States Supreme Court (2002 reasons)? Let me know what you think and how we might improve these lists.--Enos733 (talk) 06:27, 24 January 2011 (UTC)
 * I had seen those, but I thought it seemed like too much work! I certainly don't mind if you want to do that to the ConCourt lists. - htonl (talk) 10:37, 24 January 2011 (UTC)
 * I do not have that info at hand, but I would expect that eventually what we are doing will turn into that format.--Enos733 (talk) 18:30, 24 January 2011 (UTC)

United States presidential election, 2012
Please note that a "straw poll" has been added at Talk:United States presidential election, 2012 for an issue you discussed.--William S. Saturn (talk) 17:26, 6 June 2011 (UTC)

Mayors
I think you missed part of my own statement, if you think any of what you just said is actually a counterargument to any of it — for one thing, I included both nationalized coverage and a significant volume of local coverage as ways that a mayor's notability could be properly demonstrated. A mayor of Calgary or Atlanta or Sacramento would clearly be considered notable, for example, because they're large and clearly important cities and the volume of coverage they could show would absolutely be extremely high locally — but it would also quite regularly nationalize too. Naheed Nenshi, for instance, regularly gets covered in The Globe and Mail and the Toronto Star and on the national television newscasts in Canada, and if I Google Keisha Lance Bottoms I get hits from CNN and The New York Times and television newscasts in Pittsburgh. (I know she's not quite the mayor yet, but she's the name I remember because as the new mayor-elect she's newsy right now.)

I'm not saying city size is entirely irrelevant to mayoral notability — it's pretty obvious that a mayor of a large city is much more likely to be notable than the mayor of a small village is. All I mean when I talk about the population test not being the deciding factor is that it's not a hard cutoff — it is possible for a mayor of a smaller city to clear the bar as the subject of more and/or wider coverage than usual (for an example, see Merle Dickerson, which cites literally 800 per cent more nationalized coverage than I've ever been able to find for any other mayor of his small city or even most mayors of the significantly larger city I grew up in), and it's possible for a larger city mayor to fall below the bar (some mayors, even in large cities, are internally selected by the city council and serve more as ceremonial than true executive mayors.) Historically, as well, people tended to misinterpret the population test as an automatic inclusion freebie that somehow exempted a mayor from actually having to satisfy any other notability criterion: if the place was 100K or more, then the article had to be kept regardless of any other considerations like sourcing problems or the elected-vs.-ceremonial issue. One of the biggest reasons we finally deprecated having a hard population test written directly into the notability standard for mayors was the situation in England — where the vast majority of all mayors are the ceremonial kind and only a very small number are actually directly elected, but people regularly interpreted the population "in" as an exemption from the ceremonial "out".

And even for some major cities, the articles have remained very inadequate and minimally sourced in the long term, because once the initial "Jane Smith is the mayor of Cityville" is in place there isn't always very much actual editor commitment to expanding it to ever actually say or source anything more than that.

Basically, it's more of a sliding scale: a mayor of a small town can sometimes be more notable than the norm, and a mayor of a bigger city can sometimes be less. Population is a factor, but it's just one factor among several rather than the be-all and end-all in and of itself. That's all I mean. Bearcat (talk) 07:06, 17 December 2017 (UTC)
 * Bearcat I completely agree with the ceremonial mayor/mayor in a council manager form of government distinction as the primary distinction whether an individual mayor is notable. However, since most mayors (at least in North America) are independently elected, the local/national coverage question would nearly always be questioned. An example I can think of is Marc Demers, the current mayor of Laval, Quebec (population 422,993 - 13th largest in Canada). A quick news search (first four pages) of the mayor is primarily local coverage (from both Montreal papers) and a couple CTV Montreal stories that mention his reelection campaign. On the surface, it would not appear that he would meet the nationalization test you lay out. However, suggesting that he would not be notable would not pass my sniff test (and why at some population, city size is sufficient to consider a mayor a high-profile individual). --Enos733 (talk) 17:46, 17 December 2017 (UTC)

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Your name is mentioned
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Articles for deletion/Institute for Social Ecology
Would you please undo your closure of this discussion? Those "keeps" all came within the final hours of the listing and I didn't have a chance to respond. czar 07:19, 4 March 2021 (UTC)
 * Czar, what I saw in evaluating the discussion and determining a close was appropriate was one delete/redirect nomination saying that secondary sources don't exist, your redirect comment saying that secondary sources don't exist, and then three comments demonstrating sources do exist and no rebuttal to those sources. I'm curious what you would say that would change the outcome of the discussion, as I think the keep voters all adequately demonstrated that secondary sources exist, and even if the AFD were re-listed, there would be a strong likelihood that the next person to close would close as keep or no-consensus (barring a flurry of support for a redirect). That said, if you continue to feel that it should be reopened, I will be willing to do so. --Enos733 (talk) 08:01, 4 March 2021 (UTC)
 * The secondary sources provided in the last 24 hours of the listing were not sufficient for significant coverage and would have been further discussed had the discussion been relisted instead of closed. I am requesting that it be relisted. czar  03:02, 8 March 2021 (UTC)
 * Czar, I have asked for assistance in re-listing the discussion, but I do think the sources were sufficient. Not only does the NY Times piece exist, there is a lengthy article from Vermont Public Radio. --Enos733 (talk) 04:06, 8 March 2021 (UTC) UPDATE - undone close. --Enos733 (talk) 06:30, 8 March 2021 (UTC)

Candidate sandbox
I wasn't sure where you wanted input to go, so I left some thoughts on the talk page at User talk:Enos733/sandbox/Candidate notability. Bearcat (talk) 14:19, 25 June 2021 (UTC)

Thank you for participating in my RFA
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AfD closure
Hi Enos733, while your closure of Articles for deletion/Henry Spencer Law is correct insofar as the article should be kept, I think you should include something in your closure along the line of "some editors raised the concern that notability guidelines perpetuate systemic WP:BIAS." JBchrch  talk  20:09, 28 July 2021 (UTC)
 * , not all closing discussions require additional comments and I rarely see closing comments that address larger questions about the notability guidelines. While I agree that your statement could be included, I don't think it was necessary (in this case) to summarize the close. --Enos733 (talk) 06:25, 30 July 2021 (UTC)
 * I would go even further and say that most of closings do not require additional comment. However, when applicable, I think it's useful to document how the consensus is moving on our guidelines. But if you are not inclined to include it I won't push the issue any further. (and just for the record, just wanted to say that I would have written the exact same talk page message if the discussion had been closed by an admin) JBchrch   talk  08:22, 30 July 2021 (UTC)
 * , I am quite sympathetic to your point, as that show the notability guidelines favor individuals who live in areas with a printing press (and that people written about tend to be male). As I reread the discussion I only see Vladimir.copic and (to a lesser extent) yourself suggesting hindsight bias exists when thinking of The Times as a paper of record. No other editor (I count 10 in the discussion), addressed the point. For me, WP:OUTCOMES is a better place to show how consensus is moving or at another forum dealing with notability, rather than on a single AfD page. --Enos733 (talk) 15:35, 30 July 2021 (UTC)
 * I also count Mztourist and Hawkeye7. But again don't want to push it. JBchrch   talk  15:46, 30 July 2021 (UTC)

Comment Articles for deletion/Paul Meijer (politician)
Hi - given your comment regarding subnational bodies, you might find this table I've been working on of interest: Presumed notability of members of subnational parliaments (legislatures). There's a large body of work that intersects political science, sociology and public law around the distinctions between federal and unitary states, which is pretty consistent on the distinctions between jurisdictional power at subnational levels. And while there has definitely been a trend since the late-middle 20th Century by central governments towards devolution, this is usually marked far more by financial/fiscal devolution rather than juridic-political (and the trend of course in policing, surveillance etc is the opposite, ie higher, expanded centralisation). Regards, --Goldsztajn (talk) 00:09, 10 January 2022 (UTC)

Thank you
Well, that's embarrassing, thank you for cleaning up my mistake! Regards, Goldsztajn (talk) 23:06, 7 March 2022 (UTC)


 * You are very welcome. I've made similar mistakes. Cheers. Enos733 (talk) 23:37, 7 March 2022 (UTC)

WikiProject Deletion sorting/Olympics
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Thank you for your recent edit of Six-Bid Solo, which I haven't reverted as it works in this case. Please note that Wikipedia does not deprecate the use of "he or she"; in fact, it is a recommended way of avoiding single-gender pronouns. Cheers. Bermicourt (talk) 08:31, 19 December 2022 (UTC)


 * You are correct that the use of "he or she" is not depreciated, but Wikipedia (and Commons) policy demonstrates a commitment "to providing a welcoming environment" (and to write policies in a gender-neutral language). Across the board, the general guidance is to rewrite the sentence to avoid the use of gender whenever possible and preserve the clarity of the passage. - Enos733 (talk) 16:33, 19 December 2022 (UTC)
 * Thank you @Enos733 for your fixes to Puzzle Pirates; I've taken the liberty of fixing up the grammar and resolving the use of "he or she" elsewhere in the article too! Also glad people still care about the game I worked on briefly over 15 years ago! Lizthegrey (talk) 10:20, 10 January 2023 (UTC)

Enos, your Kappa Sig edits
I note you have worked on the Kappa Sigma pages, and have recently updated the list of chapters. Thanks for that.

Should you have further interest in Greek societies, we'd welcome your participation on our shared project, the Fraternities and Sororities Project.

For many of us, these institutions represent a very impactful period in our lives. I know of several chapter advisors among the regular 300 participants, along with general alumni and undergrads that are Wiki-savvy. We presently keep an eye on 1,500 or so Greek pages, while a fairly substantial number of recent or dormant local chapters don't make the cut. There are perhaps 6,000 locals that do not have a Wikipedia article, and maybe 50 that do - mostly at Ivy League schools. Long ago, the Baird's Manual editors decided to include as national groups those societies that had three or more chapters, or locals that met a certain bar of longevity: ten years or more. We follow that same logic.

The Project page lists several items on our To Do list, but among them are:


 * 1) Review any of our watched pages for vandalism.
 * 2) Update chapter information for the many lists of chapters.
 * 3) Help us with our major effort to update all the lists of chapters - see the note on the project's Talk page.
 * 4) Write an article to list the Greeks on a particular campus. 50 of these have been done, so far.
 * 5) Research a new article for a page that is missing. On our watchlist, these show up as red links.
 * 6) Vote on whether to keep a contested page or not.

There is a debate among editors on Wikipedia about whether to aggressively delete articles or allow their inclusion, based on a notoriously fickle determination of NOTIBILITY. Once an article is factually and cleanly written, I personally favor Inclusion, in order to make life easier for future researchers. Especially for fraternity, sorority and collegiate society articles.

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List updates for fraternities
Hi Enos. I've seen your latest work on Fraternity and Sorority Project list pages, and appreciate all you are doing. May I ask you a favor? I thought I would ask you instead of doing it myself as that can appear like I am correcting you. (Not my intent. I applaud your efforts.) It's just that we are attempting to standardize these lists to also include a city and state column. Would you add those two fields?

I just looked at Delta Xi Phi. In the case of State University of New York at Old Westbury I'd suggest you abbreviate it like this: SUNY Old Westbury. When adding cities, similarly use something like: Bowling Green, and pair that with the next field, noting the state. Jax MN (talk) 20:14, 15 January 2023 (UTC)

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RFA2024 update: phase I concluded, phase II begins
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Deaths in 2024
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