User talk:Ethicoaestheticist

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I thought you might find it useful to have some information about references (refs) on wikipedia. These are important to validate your writing and inform the reader. Any editor can removed unreferenced material; and unsubstantiated articles may end up getting deleted, so when you add something to an article, it's highly advisable to also include a reference to say where it came from. Referencing may look daunting, but it's easy enough to do. Here's a guide to getting started.

Good references
A reference must be accurate, i.e. it must prove the statement in the text. To validate "Mike Brown climbed Everest", it's no good linking to a page about Everest, if Mike Brown isn't mentioned, nor to one on Mike Brown, if it doesn't say that he climbed Everest. You have to link to a source that proves his achievement is true. You must use Reliable sources, such as published books, mainstream press, authorised web sites, and official documents. Blogs, Myspace, Youtube, fan sites and extreme minority texts are not usually acceptable, nor is Original research, e.g. your own unpublished, or self-published, essay or research.

Simple referencing
The first thing you have to do is to create a "Notes and references" section. This goes towards the bottom of the page, below the "See also" section and above the "External links" section. Enter this code:


 * ==Notes and references==
 * to the top of the page that has been nominated for deletion (just below the existing speedy deletion or "db" tag), coupled with adding a note on the talk page explaining your position, but be aware that once tagged for speedy deletion, if the article meets the criterion it may be deleted without delay. Please do not remove the speedy deletion tag yourself, but don't hesitate to add information to the article that would would render it more in conformance with Wikipedia's policies and guidelines. Lastly, please note that if the article does get deleted, you can contact one of these admins to request that a copy be emailed to you.  ninety:one 12:47, 24 May 2008 (UTC)

IP
Hi Ethico, I sent the ip a warning: about WP:3RR and NPA and suggested the ip start a separate article about the Sherman film, I noticed that you said the same. I'd appreciate it you'd keep on eye on the article, I am as well. Thanks Modernist (talk) 16:30, 29 May 2008 (UTC)

you may want to chime in at
Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents. -- brew crewer  (yada, yada) 16:10, 2 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Thanks for bringing this to my attention. It looks like things have been sorted out now.--Ethicoaestheticist (talk) 17:38, 2 June 2008 (UTC)

Question
I noticed on the Post Modernism discussion page, that you edited out the "Everything has been done already", I can't find any context of the original Allison Hetter, who was responsible but its made its rounds. Any clue as to where its from? Oregoniansdoitintherain (talk) 07:26, 25 June 2008 (UTC)
 * I think you're referring to the Postmodern art article. I suggested the quote should be cut on 20 February 2007, when the article looked like this: . It was actually cut by User:Stirling Newberry as part of a major overhaul of the article: . Largely as a result of Newberry's intervention, the article is in much better shape now. Hetter's quote can still be found on the internet, and in all probability comes from the old version of the Wiki article itself, generated by mirror sites.--Ethicoaestheticist (talk) 18:11, 25 June 2008 (UTC)

RTFM pointers for Flag templates
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Mike Libby
Thanks for adding the references. I've added a few internal links myself to try to improve the orphan status. Amhantar (talk) 11:42, 16 July 2008 (UTC)
 * I'm embarrassed to say that I prodded the article. User:Phil Bridger deserves the thanks for adding the refs and saving it from deletion.--Ethicoaestheticist (talk) 12:48, 16 July 2008 (UTC)

AfD nomination of Adamo Macri
An article that you have been involved in editing, Adamo Macri, has been listed for deletion. If you are interested in the deletion discussion, please participate by adding your comments at Articles for deletion/Adamo Macri. Thank you. Do you want to opt out of receiving this notice? Hoary (talk) 13:44, 2 August 2008 (UTC)

Los Angeles art
Thank you for your compliment and contributions! Please add whatever you see fit to the category. I tried to keep it broad in order to fit many different types of things relating to the Los Angeles art world. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Adamstamp (talk • contribs) 21:47, 23 August 2008 (UTC)

Ongoing
Hi Ethico - you might want to know about this ongoing thread - especially in regards to Michal Heiman

see part 3 in particular. Modernist (talk) 16:47, 26 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Thanks, I could see that something was going on so it's reassuring that people have been trying to get to the bottom of it. I've added some of the art-related articles to my watchlist.--Ethicoaestheticist (talk) 17:33, 26 August 2008 (UTC)

Bahram Alivandi
Dear Ethicoaestheticist, You recently added a notability tag to the article that I created about the Iranian contemporary artist Bahram Alivandi. Since Mr. Alivandi is a contemporary artist, and not highly commercially successful (i.e. his work does not command high prices), he has not been published extensively, as is the case with most contemporary artists who have not yet become as famous as others. However, Mr. Alivandi is a genuine - and active - artist: he attended recognised art schools in Tehran, Iran, and has exhibited extensively in Europe, and continues to do so. I have information that his work is about to be included in future sales of Iranian contemporary art at Sotheby's and Christie's, auction houses. Since it seems he is about to receive more recognition and fame, since the international market for Arab and Iranian contemporary art is currently going from strength to strength, I thought it was of interest to create an article about him and show a selection of his artwork (there are articles about fellow Iranian contemporary artists on Wikipedia already, and none have notability tags). My biographical information comes from French and German language biographies that I translated with the help of one or two friends, and from direct contact with the artist himself. All of the information in the article is factual, and the artist is well known to a whole generation of older Iranian artists. I have tried to write the article using critical skills and academic conventions on how to write about art that I learnt while gaining my degree in Art History from the University of Bristol.

I do not know what I can do to improve the notability of the article, since Mr. Alivandi does not appear in any books or English language magazine/newspaper articles. However, I have many newspaper clippings about the artist from Austrian and Iranian newspapers.

I don't, personally, feel there is any question regarding the notability of the article, and I would be grateful if you would let me know why, specifically, you felt the article's notability is questionable. Please don't interpret my question as hostile, I'm simply not a very experienced Wikipedia user (I have only created three articles thusfar) and I would appreciate your guidance and assistance with this matter. All best wishes, Mahboubian (talk) 11:42, 15 September 2008 (UTC)


 * Dear Ethicoaestheticist,
 * Thanks for your advice. I have created a bibliography section - with information on articles and exhibition catalogs - and a section for prizes, to make the article more notable.


 * Regarding the links you brought to my attention: one of the guidelines for 'Creative Professionals' at WP:CREATIVE requires that: "The person is regarded as an important figure...by their peers or successors", and that is certainly the case with Alivandi. He was one of Iran's leading modernist painters before the Iranian Revolution of 1978-9, because of which he was forced to leave the country (since the Islamic government is opposed to free artistic expression). Famous Iranian contemporary artists all know and regard Alivandi, and so I believe he meets the notability guidelines for Creative Professionals at WP:CREATIVE. Moreover, the introduction to that whole section on Notability states that a person ought to be: "significant, interesting, or unusual enough to deserve attention or to be recorded", and that "Notable in the sense of being "famous", or "popular"...is secondary." While Alivandi is not "famous" he is "significant" because he was one of Iran's leading modernist painters during the 60s and 70s and was an "official" painter of the nation (he held a government-appointed position), and taught/influenced a host of famous contemporary Iranian painters. Furthermore, he is "interesting" to anyone interested in contemporary and/or Iranian art. Therefore he deserves "to be recorded" in order to preserve his name and his position in Iranian art before the Revolution, which has caused his reputation to become less known.


 * With your permission, I would now like to remove the notability tag that you placed on the article, and I will endeavour to continue adding information to the article to make it more notable (I need to meet once more with my German-speaking friends for help with translating the articles I have). Best wishes, Mahboubian (talk) 13:24, 16 September 2008 (UTC)
 * You don't need my permission. I added the notability tag to indicate concerns with the article. These concerns have now been addressed and it's looking much better now. A polite exchange of views, an improved article, WP as it ought to be!--Ethicoaestheticist (talk) 20:01, 16 September 2008 (UTC)

résumés
Hi Ethicoaestheticist.

You've linked to WP:RESUME in an AFD. There's a discussion about that essay going on at Wikipedia talk:Wikipedia is not the place to post your résumé - you might want to join in. --Hugh Charles Parker (talk - contribs) 19:11, 10 October 2008 (UTC)

Esao Andrews
What would help this article? Clearly Esao has prodigious talent. Also, I have to ask why visual arts are not a category included in the Notability Guidelines. Thanks in advance. BingoDingo (talk) 15:49, 23 November 2008 (UTC)
 * The notability guidelines do include visual arts. See WP:CREATIVE, a subsection of the notability criteria for biographies. If Andrews doesn't meet the specific criteria for visual artists (works in museum collections, major awards etc.), notability can also be established through significant coverage in reliable third-party sources. I hope that helps.--Ethicoaestheticist (talk) 20:38, 23 November 2008 (UTC)
 * His works have been featured at Jonathan LeVine Gallery, Chelsea Art Galleries, BoingBoing, Beinart.org featured artist, Dorothy Circus Gallery, Rome, Italy, and a featured Artist at Juxtapoz.com. This from a ten minute Google search. Please note that beinart.org is considered a "one stop source" for contemporary surrealists. BingoDingo (talk) 16:46, 28 November 2008 (UTC)
 * I've added the above comments to the article talk page, where they really belong.--Ethicoaestheticist (talk) 20:47, 28 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Please check the discussion page for Talk:Esao_Andrews. BingoDingo (talk) 23:01, 30 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Again, please check the discussion page for Talk:Esao_Andrews. Thank you. BingoDingo (talk) 21:51, 5 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Don't worry. It's on my watchlist. I'll have a look.--Ethicoaestheticist (talk) 22:56, 5 December 2008 (UTC)

John Yates (artist)
Hey there, can you explain why you removed the category of Contemporary artists from this article? Did John die? Murderbike (talk) 23:21, 22 December 2008 (UTC)


 * hmm. can you explain the difference? Murderbike (talk) 23:36, 22 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Graphic designers design graphics (eg for album covers) artists make art (eg for art galleries). Is that enough? Seriously though, if you want to put the category back, go ahead.--Ethicoaestheticist (talk) 23:43, 22 December 2008 (UTC)

Please help me
Hello Ethicoaestheticist, Can you please help me in improving the article: Shaikh Rashid bin Khalifa al Khalifa, painting for himself, by himself, for himself? Please let me know specifically where my mistakes are so I can improve it. I did not mean for it to be an advertising page. I believe that this article about his book is very important because he is one of the two established artists in Bahrain and the text in the article is just explaining his works. I would really appreciate your expert opinion and guidance. I am sorry I am new to all of these. Many thanks --Tokistar (talk) 23:54, 6 February 2009 (UTC)

Thank you
Hi Ethicoaestheticist, I appreciate your help and I will do my best to comply. Kind regards --Tokistar (talk) 13:18, 7 February 2009 (UTC)

Curious
Hi Ethico, I noticed your recent edit on Postmodern art...(I agree we aren't in a postmodern era anymore) I had a conversation a few weeks ago with a graduate student who asked me to characterize these times or this era and I said.."well I guess everything still goes and its still a pluralistic time."..the student agreed...what are your thoughts?..Modernist (talk) 23:19, 10 March 2009 (UTC)

You have been nominated for membership of the Established Editors Association
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Improvement of 2 articles
Hello Ethicoaestheticist. Could you please take a look. I improved 2 articles Franz West and Christiaan Tonnis. Can the notability tags be removed, or is further improvement to do? Thank you! Best wishes, Blaise Mann (talk) 14:25, 29 December 2009 (UTC)

Thank you so much for your help ! Best wishes, Blaise Mann (talk) 18:04, 29 December 2009 (UTC)

Articles for deletion/Richard Tylman (4th nomination)
Hi, Ethicoaestheticist. Because you participated in Articles for deletion/Richard Tylman (2nd nomination), you may be interested in Articles for deletion/Richard Tylman (4th nomination). Cunard (talk) 02:38, 26 April 2010 (UTC)

Kitsch non-controversy
Your latest comment at Articles for deletion/Kitsch controversy in Sarasota, Florida looks most amicable ... but is cryptic. Could you perhaps elaborate on it there? -- Hoary (talk) 00:31, 15 July 2010 (UTC)


 * You said "Keep and move to Unconditional surrender (sculpture)". Given that there's virtually no evidence for any controversy in Sarasota, that seems an improvement. Now that the article has been "kept", could you care to go ahead and do it? (I fear that after my nomination for deletion and the bizarre little non-conversation near the foot of the talk page of the oddly terse closing administrator, my own renaming and stripping of what's peripheral and/or hearsay might be labeled vandalism or sour grapes or something.) -- Hoary (talk) 09:25, 29 July 2010 (UTC)


 * I see you're already hard at work. Well done! When you seem to have stopped (or paused), I may make some further changes. -- Hoary (talk) 10:43, 29 July 2010 (UTC)


 * Well well, "Unconditional Surrender (statue)" too. -- Hoary (talk) 12:01, 29 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Thanks for your dogged determination post-AfD. By which I mean, following it up with the closing admin and reminding me to improve a poor article that I helped to save.--Ethicoaestheticist (talk) 19:32, 29 July 2010 (UTC)
 * "Real-life" commitments unfortunately undog me. Given more time, effort and dog, I'd make an issue out of the closing admin's laziness. I see no sign that he read or has any interest in what was said in the AfD, or that he is willing either to think for himself or (perhaps because he is suddenly busy) to pass on this responsibility to somebody who will do so. But Tyrenius has done a good job. -- Hoary (talk) 00:06, 30 July 2010 (UTC)

Sourcery
Aestheticist, I wonder whether the possibly ethical matters I've raised here might interest you. -- Hoary (talk) 01:07, 5 August 2010 (UTC)

Something to think about: discussion on your Art & Language page
I would like to wade in with an opinion on this confusion, even if it is two years too late. The entire article reads like a discussion of Australian cricket in the thirties which is desperate to ignore Donald Bradman; it's like a description of quantum mechanics acknowledging Enrico Fermi as important as Paul Dirac. I'm not comparing Art Language's contribution to that of quantum mechanics or cricket. Nor am I comparing Michael Baldwin, Mel Ramsden and Charles Harrison to Paul Dirac. Rather (if this isn't too big a word for you) it was a metaphor, serving to highlight the absurd skew in the article. The thinly veiled - and moderately juvenile - attempts to radicalize and politicize the ex-members reeks of a desperate need to make them sound more important than they really are. I'm sorry for whoever you are, but please stop editing this article, and find a more constructive way to make yourself feel important, and please contain your slightly priapic relationship with Jerry Saltz's crtiticism. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Blanchot (talk • contribs) 11:46, 16 February 2011 (UTC)
 * I think there's a misunderstanding about how WP works here. The Art & Language article isn't my page. I've contributed to it, as have several others. A couple of anonymous IP addresses have edited the article, and have posted comments on the talk page suggesting that there's some kind of attempt to exclude specific artists. I genuinely don't understand this. Both (Michael Baldwin and Mel Ramsden) are referred to in the article. Sometimes editors that work on only one article assume that other editors have a single focus as well, and see conspiracy where none exists. Personally, I think that Art & Language is hugely significant, as are Baldwin and Ramsden, but I added Jerry Saltz's criticism because it's a legitimate source. That's because Art & Language is best served by having a well-sourced WP article. Like User:Syrthiss on the talkpage, I encourage Blanchot to be bold, but also to state sources.--Ethicoaestheticist (talk) 23:18, 18 February 2011 (UTC)

Orphaned non-free image File:Cinema1 deleuze french.jpg
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Contemporary art
Hi Ethicoaestheticist. i would like to revitalize the wikiproject contemporary art. I added some resources and edited a bit the project pages. I think it would be useful to have a coordinated space for contemporary art. it is still needing quite a lot of effort to improve that Wikipedia offers in this field. hope you like the idea and thanks.--Iopensa (talk) 10:23, 24 September 2013 (UTC)
 * Thanks Ethicoaestheticist for your feedback. Actually the statement on the contemporary art project page is not mine; i just moved some of the content from the front page in other tabs. I think your remarks are right and it is a very good hint to start on a single issue. let's see. for the moment i probably simply regret that there is still little content related to contemporary art on Wikipedia and it would be useful for everybody to improve it. I guess projects are sometimes a way to supplicate for help because you feel there is too much work. starting from a single issue is also here the way to go. best, --Iopensa (talk) 17:11, 17 November 2013 (UTC)

You're invited to join WikiProject Women artists!
SarahStierch (talk) 18:32, 21 December 2013 (UTC)

Speedy deletion nomination of User talk:1stArtHistorian


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 * Nothing to do with me. Posted in error...?Ethicoaestheticist (talk) 21:31, 24 August 2014 (UTC)

Thanks
Hi, just wanted to say thanks for your work. I edit articles about contemporary artists, and its nice to see someone with such succinctly overlapping interests! :) OR drohowa (talk) 15:46, 14 December 2014 (UTC)

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