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Linking
Thank you for saying Hi.. Please help me fix page Johann and Page Anton Rupert so that Johann on this page directs to existing page Johann Rupert Thank you Gregorydavid 18:33, 22 January 2006 (UTC)
 * I've fixed that on the Anton Rupert page, in this example the trick is : Johann --Alf melmac 08:08, 23 January 2006 (UTC)

Borders of Africa in Anton Rupert article
Well, "hi" from me as well to another South African! Thanks for your supporting comments regarding this issue ... the Anton Rupert article really didn't seem the correct place for that particular debate/statement to me either. Regards, Elf-friend 12:30, 23 January 2006 (UTC)

Johann
I'll assume you forgot the "please" in the "Could you fix and explain" part of your message ... otherwise it sounds awfully like an order ... and I don't take orders from anybody except my wife :-) ...

Anyway, when somebody (you?) put the redirect in the disambiguation page it seems to have ignored the rest of the page and made it just a redirect page ... I have deleted the redirect and just added Johann Rupert to the dab. list.

Regards, Elf-friend 09:10, 24 January 2006 (UTC)

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Pretoria
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List of South Africans
Hi Greg, I commend you for your enthusiasm about Wikipedia in general and you seem to be doing good work adding people to List of South Africans, but I don't understand why there are som redlinks because the list is supposed to be about South Africans with Wikipedia articles? Regards, Elf-friend 06:53, 27 January 2006 (UTC)

Hi Elf-friend, you and user janto have questioned my practice of including links / red links to non- existent pages. If I do in clude the link it shows up existing content immediately, and I can go and examine it, if it shows up red I will quite soon create the content. I think the links I create have the same status generally than those that exist elsewhere. Who is to judge or estimate the probability of content being provided for links or key words?

As I say I will take responsibility to revisit thos articles I work on so that un-finished strings are dealt with.. Regards, Gregorydavid 11:22, 27 January 2006 (UTC)


 * The article that I started on Elisabeth Eybers is actually quite old (see its history) ... you just spelled it incorrectly (Elizabeth) in the list ... which shows one of the problems with your approach, I think.


 * As to the list itself, its stated purpose is to list all the South Africans for whom articles already exist, so I would again kindly request that you refrain from adding names for whom there are not yet articles. But by all means go ahead and create a (separate) list of notable South Africans who do not have articles yet - I think you will find that separate "request for article" lists are commonly used in Wikipedia.


 * Kind Greetings, Elf-friend 14:46, 27 January 2006 (UTC)


 * Hi Greg, I certainly hope that myself and other Wikipedians have been patient with you, as one should certainly not bite newcomers :-). List of South Africans is certainly not for living South Africans only, otherwise I certainly wouldn't have added Mrs. Ples ;-). Kind Regards, Elf-friend 08:28, 30 January 2006 (UTC)

Hi Elf-friend, Sometimes I have to go back again and read carefully what was said, I see you said existing articles and not existing people for the List of South Africans. Did you see all the red links under South African Writers? See Paul Roos where someone has reverted. I now know about three persons with the name Paul Roos. What does it mean to "know how to Wiki"? Regards, Greg Gregorydavid 08:45, 30 January 2006 (UTC)

Knowing how to Wiki
I do not know what that particular person meant by “knowing how to Wiki”, but I feel that whatever it is, he has probably not mastered it himself yet, - please see the message that I left on his talk page.

In the case of two or more persons sharing the same name, it is better to start a new article about him (or her), with a "differentiator" in brackets after the name, such as: Paul Roos (South Africa).

Regards, Elf-friend 07:29, 31 January 2006 (UTC)

Another belated welcome
Hi Greg; sorry for only typing this, but welcome to Wikipedia, also from a fellow South African. Good contributions so far, hope the Wikimania takes you too! dewet|&trade; 11:43, 2 February 2006 (UTC)


 * No problemo. And yeah, once the addiction sets in... ;)  By the way, it's considered bad etiquette to edit user's pages directly -- messages to them should be put on their talk pages.  But these are the small "rules of the game" that one learns as you go along...   Regards, dewet|&trade; 14:31, 2 February 2006 (UTC)

Cape of Good Hope
Howzit? I reverted this edit on Cape of Good Hope - the sense of the text changed with your edit. I believe that Cape Agulhas is where the oceans meet ? Wizzy&hellip; &#9742;   09:44, 8 February 2006 (UTC)

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Please fix if you can. Regards, Greg Gregorydavid 11:26, 11 February 2006 (UTC)


 * I put a request on Commander Keane's Talk page. This IP is probaby a proxy. Wizzy&hellip; &#9742;   11:39, 11 February 2006 (UTC)

User blocked again
Your user name or IP address has been blocked from editing. You were blocked by Alkivar for the following reason (see our blocking policy): "Autoblocked because your IP address has been recently used by "Crowbaaa". The reason given for Crowbaaa's block is: "constant disruption of WP:AN / WP:ANI, trolling"." Your IP address is 196.25.255.210. That is me who has been blocked again.. Gregorydavid 14:40, 21 March 2006 (UTC)


 * User:Dewet has raised it with Alkivar. Wizzy&hellip; &#9742;   15:14, 21 March 2006 (UTC)

Hi, I am still blocked, sent e-mail to User:Alkivar yesterday and again today.. Contributions are drying up.. Regards, Gregorydavid 07:00, 22 March 2006 (UTC)

Hi. does anybody know how smart the Wiki autoblocking software is? Thanks Gregorydavid 07:37, 22 March 2006 (UTC)


 * I presume that when blocking "Crowbaaa", there is an option to block IPs used by that user - I would guess as an extra option for vandals that use proxies. If that is done, your login is (currently) not checked. (Of course, it should be, but will require additions to the mediawiki software). All edits from that IP are then blocked. Find another proxy, on a port other than 80 ? You can set it in your browser. the SAIX one is transparent - nothing you can do about it. Try another SAIX proxy, explicitly ? Google for "SAIX proxy" and stick it in your browser. Wizzy&hellip; &#9742;   08:30, 22 March 2006 (UTC)

Hi, thanks for caring.. I shall wait a while longer.. do some real work.. Cheers! Gregorydavid 08:39, 22 March 2006 (UTC)
 * You're not blocked. If it's your IP, please put the tag, along with a reason, on the IP's talk page. -- Rory 0 96 05:00, 24 March 2006 (UTC)
 * Do you know what the IP is? -- Rory 0 96 06:08, 24 March 2006 (UTC)
 * Do you know what the IP is? -- Rory 0 96 06:08, 24 March 2006 (UTC)

User blocked again and again
Hi, thanks all for trying yesterday. I think my e-mail to User: Commander Keane worked. Pleas try again, thanks. Gregorydavid 15:25, 23 March 2006 (UTC)

Edits to date
Username Gregorydavid Total edits 259 Image uploads 0 (0 cur, 0 old) Distinct pages edited 115 Edits/page (avg) 2.25 Deleted edits 0 (browse) First edit 2006-01-20 08:41:45 Edits by namespace Namespace Edits Articles 218 Talk 13 User 2 User talk 23 Project 1 Project talk 2 The end of contributions till unblocked.. Regards, Greg Gregorydavid 13:03, 11 February 2006 (UTC)


 * And whining like this gets you nowhere. I have posted again to Alkivar. Chill. Wizzy&hellip; &#9742;   08:32, 22 March 2006 (UTC)

Categories
Hi Gregorydavid! You recently put the article BBC into the category "24 hour news channels". I've reverted this change. The BBC article is about the organisation as a whole - and it is not a 24-hour news channel, it is a broadcaster. The article on BBC News 24, the BBC's 24-hour news channel, is already, correctly, in the category, so the BBC article doesn't need to join it. Hope this explains the reversion. If you've any questions, or need any help, please get in contact with me on my talk page and I'll be delighted to assist! Cheers! ➨ ❝ R E  DVERS ❞ 11:11, 22 February 2006 (UTC)


 * Hi again! Categories are necessary but horrible, horrible things. They're never what you expect them to be and never work as you plan them to! But there's a dedicated and hardworking team at Category schemes trying to keep things straight.


 * As such, there's no easy way of deciding - even the Category advice page says they are "cumbersome (categories can't be edited directly)" and "awkward (category listings are not present at the point of data-entry forcing user to remember category names on his own or guess)". I really hate to say this, as it's probably no use to you and certainly no use to me, but the only way of deciding on the fly is commonsense. I told you it was no use!


 * Category is a long page with advice, which boils down to: place an article in the lowest possible subcategory, except where a better-focussed article is already there. Which isn't much use either!


 * The two ways I find correct categories are to either slowly drill down through Browse or to search. The search facility is less than helpful when not looking for articles: I do a search for something that won't come up as an article (ie "category broadcasting" = Special:Search?search=category+broadcasting&go=Go) then scroll to the bottom, untick everything, tick "category" and remove the word "category" from the search string. That cumbersome method produces a search of categories that mention the other term (= Special:Search?ns14=1&search=broadcasting&fulltext=Search).


 * A third way is to look for similar articles and find what category they are in. If the original article isn't there, then add it.


 * A rule-of-thumb might be to say that if both the category and the article have existed for a long time and one is not in the other, there's probably a reason for it.


 * Sorry I can't be of more help - as I say, categories are horrible, horrible things! ➨ ❝ R E  DVERS ❞ 13:54, 22 February 2006 (UTC)

Hi Redvers, Thank you for confirming what I thought.. I used a precedent approach, ie I thought BBC is synonymous with CNN is some respects, hence my tagging BBC with a like category..

The delay in introducing TV to South Africa was a form of censorship, thats why I have tagged those two articles, ie SABC and Television in South Africa with that category.. I hear one must be bold on Wiki, so I know there are plenty of experts around who have plenty of time to fix things eventually..

It is interesting thinking about the modus operandi of all the types and roles of Wiki people..

Thanks for the time and effort to fill me in.. Regards, Gregorydavid 06:17, 23 February 2006 (UTC)

DKW fans
Hi Greg

Great to have at least two active contributors to this site! Keep on the good work! I know the SA page quite well, I've even contributed to an article there about Monte Carlo Rallying. I guess I have to add a section and picture about the Monza on Wiki pretty soon. Using that name and not writing anything...

Rgds,

Morten Dkwmonza 22:27, 5 February 2006 (UTC)

Panama Canal mess
Hi, thanks for the notification about that bit of vandalism. Actually, all the pages I'm working on are on my watchlist, so I tend to notice things like that pretty quick; also, there's a whole bunch of good folks working on keeping the article clean right now (it's getting loads of edits because it's on the front page). Cheers, — Johan the Ghost seance 20:57, 23 February 2006 (UTC)


 * You're welcome! Basically, it's a case of responding pretty quick, so that when someone does a bad edit I can just revert it (ie. edit the last good version and save it).  Since articles like Panama Canal tend to be in lots of peoples' watchlists, that happens most of the time.  If some good changes are made then a bunch of bad stuff, it's a case of manually sorting the good from the bad, starting with whichever version is nearest the desired result; but that doesn't happen too often.  Of course, sometimes mistakes are made, so if a well-intended edit is chucked out with the bathwater, I hope you won't take it personal!  (You did exactly the right thing by bringing it up in the talk page.)  Cheers, — Johan the Ghost seance 21:29, 23 February 2006 (UTC)

Couch Rugby
Couch Rugby has been proposed for deletion. Please see the article for details. NickelShoe 01:39, 24 February 2006 (UTC)
 * The guideline you should look over would be WP:NEO. You'll notice the article is being discussed at Articles for deletion/Couch Rugby.  They're arguing that this is a negligible term and the thing it describes lacks widespread popularity.  If you can show otherwise, make sure the article makes that clear, and make sure and say so at the deletion discussion.


 * I don't know how popular this is, so I couldn't say whether it's salvagable or not. NickelShoe 13:09, 7 March 2006 (UTC)

Account Unjustly Blocked
I have discovered that my account "Happyjoe" is blocked from editing due to some sort of misunderstanding over the Big Spring, TX article. I am uncertain who to contact to have this mistake fixed. Please remove this block so that I may complete necessary editing on other articles. Thank you for your timely assistance in resolving this problem... Happyjoe 69.145.215.206 04:08, 27 February 2006 (UTC)

Hi, Happy Joe, you need to contact one of the Wiki Administrators, User:Commander Keane once helped me with a simmilar problem. He may need to contact you via e-mail. I shall leave him a message. Regards, Gregorydavid 14:10, 27 February 2006 (UTC)

Falkirk Wheel
Hey there! I uploaded a few more pictures from the day I was there to commons, and made a link on the artcle page. You can see from this pic Falkirk_Wheel_lock_SMC.jpg where the bottom section links to the lower canal. Falkirk_Wheel_Sign_SMC.jpg gives a bit more info on how it works, hopefully that helps work out your question. Sorry but when I went I didn't go on the boat so I don't know what the entry point looks like close up. Cheers SeanMack 15:59, 27 February 2006 (UTC)
 * Just checked again and loaded up a few more pics - yeah it does seem that the arms move within a dry box - however I guess we would need a picture of the bottom of it (or someone from there to go look) to tell us how dry it actually is...SeanMack 16:31, 27 February 2006 (UTC)

South African Companies
Well, sometimes things are a bit sloooow at work ... :-) Elf-friend 11:45, 7 March 2006 (UTC)

Can't Move Contributions
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The Game
Hi mate, just bringing to your attention The Game - check out the dab link I created for the South African show. The link to Gavin Hood has nothing to do with the Football (Australian rules) show. Just letting you know, cheers -  R o  gerthat  Talk  02:19, 8 March 2006 (UTC)

Harington etc
Hi, glad you like the user page. Anyone can contribute to it so if you can find improvements that need to be made feel free.

Harington was set up as a disambiguation page that wasn't actually disambiguating anything. What are the worldwide uses of the specific spelling Harington (one r)? If there is only one use then that should be where the article is located, with a note to say that Harrington (two rs) is an alternative spelling. If there is more than one use then it is appropriate to have a disambig page there, but you need to say what those uses are, rather than just having links to the alternative spellings. If there are no individual uses for that spelling then a redirect to the Harrington disambig page would be more appropriate.

On the Harrington page please place the alternative spellings under a "see also" at the bottom, not at the top of the page. Sorry I deleted them, I have a habit of being too brash at times. -- Francs2000 13:12, 8 March 2006 (UTC)

Hi, the article was disambiguous of nature when I created it, but there is more to come.. Thats why I went there again.. I tend to create some articles instintivly while working on others, so that is why I still have to create the perfect one.. Cheers, Gregorydavid 14:59, 8 March 2006 (UTC)


 * Just a note then, it's worth bearing in mind that these things get judged very quickly for whether they are valid articles or not, and those that don't appear to be get deleted quite fast. What I would recommend is making sure there is at least a couple of sentences stating what the article is about; either or just leaving a red link that you can come back to later. -- Francs2000 [[Image:Gay flag.svg|25px|  ]] 15:02, 8 March 2006 (UTC)

Hi, I can take the punch, it started with Padraig Harington sourced from the internet with no article on Wiki, so I created a Miki article and the next day someone had sorted out the disambiguation after finding the two R version.. Thanks Gregorydavid 15:08, 8 March 2006 (UTC)

Harrington (with two "r"s) is not an alternative spelling where Sir John Harrington is concerned. My grandmother still has the name Harrington passed down fron Sir Harrington. That meens that I am related to him and wouldnt be saying this if I wasnt, or I hadnt done a ton of research on him. I still get angry when I see his name spelt with only one "r". The surname of the man who inveted the first flushing toilet has two "r"s in it. –jenzy

Re: Impressive
Hi, I'm not entirely certain what you are referring to. I have had very little influence on the apartheid article, save for a few modifications here and there, and I wasn't responsible for creating it (the credit must go to others). I'm also unaware what ELXLE is, could you perhaps explain further? Thanks, &mdash;  Imp i  09:12, 10 March 2006 (UTC)
 * Ah, I see now. Please remember though that even when speaking of articles I have started, others do come afterwards to add to those. I don't think anybody on Wikipedia can take full credit for any decently-sized article, at least not for long at any rate. Thanks for the explanation of what ELXLE meant, as it is certainly interesting, but might I ask what the relevance of the question was? &mdash;  Imp i  12:19, 10 March 2006 (UTC)

Cape Agulhas

 * ''original

Re "fractions of minutes must be reduced ...", I think you may have misread what was there, 'cos all I did was revert — it was originally deg, min, sec, frac. No big.

The English part of the plate says "Cape L'Agulhas / You are now at the southern most tip of the continent of Africa". As for the erosion thing, as I said on the talk page, it is interesting, but I'm not sure how you tell which way the currents are going from the sat pics? I'd love to see this explained. Cheers, — Johan the Ghost seance 11:01, 10 March 2006 (UTC)

Replies

 * original

User conversations are one weak area of WP, IMHO. This is why, if you're talking about an article, it is far better to keep all the talk on the article's page. Cheers, — Johan the Ghost seance 19:29, 10 March 2006 (UTC)
 * You can just reply on the other person's page; this makes sure that they see it, but then anyone following the conversation has to flip back and forth between pages.
 * You can do what I do, which is manually place links to the replies: go to the history, select the appropriate diff, and paste in the URL. Tedious, but it displays the whole chain.
 * Some people keep all replies on one talk page. Sensible, but it requires the other person to have it in their watch list.

Bridge 14
Hi Gregory, I don't have any book sources for this, though an Internet search may be rewarding:. I recall there was also an SABC TV movie about it some time later?

Regards, Elf-friend 07:50, 15 March 2006 (UTC)

Seamless searching
I agree - the current "interworking" between the different Wikis leaves much to be desired. Kind Regards, Elf-friend 11:09, 17 March 2006 (UTC)

How to read coordinates off google satelite images?
Hi, do you know how to pick up coordinates off google images? I need this so that I can direct users to specific places. Thanks, Gregorydavid 07:26, 23 March 2006 (UTC)
 * Hey there, it depends on what you are trying to do exactly and what tools you have access to. The easiest way I think is using this webpage:
 * http://www.giswiki.org/hjl_get_CoorE.htm


 * I personally use an addin to google earth that does pretty much the same thing, but from within Google Earth. Does this help? Regards SeanMack 12:19, 23 March 2006 (UTC)


 * Google Maps (which WP links to) doesn't do this, wich is a real pain. Google Earth is the thing I use; I don't think you need an addin, just set a placemark on the place you want and read off the co-ords from its properties.  You need Windows for Google Earth, but apart from that it's really cool, and well worth trying.  Probably need a fairly fast PC too.  — Johan the Ghost seance 18:44, 23 March 2006 (UTC)
 * The addin I have is made by the same person as the web page I added above - the advantage it has over and above the basic co-ordinates is that it can format a co-ordinate template for pasting directly into wikipedia - saves a lot of hassle. Cheers SeanMack 12:43, 25 March 2006 (UTC)
 * I came across this users page: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Dschwen and thought you might be interested in the mapping parts. Cheers SeanMack 16:03, 28 March 2006 (UTC)

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Constitution of South Africa
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Edit made to the Porcelain article
User: Gregorydavid. It appears that you made an offensive edit of the Porcelain article yesterday (24th April). Can you throw any light on this please? Regards, Nick. Nick 10:38, 25 April 2006 (UTC)

Barnstar

 * Hi Elf-friend,

I do appreciate your support. There is so much to do on Wiki and so many examples of such good work that one can only but try.. Gregorydavid 09:36, 11 May 2006 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Fair use criteria
Hi,I see my potato has been deleted and this has attracted some response.. See :Fair use criteria to find out what fair use is.. Gregorydavid 06:41, 18 May 2006 (UTC)

Notable Alumni from Stellenbosch University
Good work! --Janto 11:15, 23 May 2006 (UTC)

Great work...
...on all the South Africa (and especially Stellenbosch) related articles you've been doing recently. Just thought you'd like to know: it doesn't go unnoticed! dewet|✉ 11:44, 24 May 2006 (UTC)

Kees
I have temporarily restored the Kees page under User:Gregorydavid/Kees so that we can review it. I would say that one should put his most important assertion(s) of notability (such as winning the yacht race) in the introductoty paragraph, to prevent his notability being questioned. Regards, Elf-friend 06:15, 25 May 2006 (UTC)


 * Thank you.. I always assume that articles belong to the whole Wiki community and I do not normally have readymade articles available, so I am pleased to hear he got time to sail too.
 * Gregorydavid 06:19, 25 May 2006 (UTC)


 * I think the Bruynzeel article has come along nicely now! Just a comment:  In general I prefer not to use in-line linking, but rather explicit references as I've done to the article now.  I don't have time to check now, but I'm pretty sure somewhere in the WP:MOS there is something about that.  Anyway, well done!  dewet|✉ 15:29, 26 May 2006 (UTC)
 * It has, and as I say, I have learned a lot from you. I do need to pay attention to the correct way to cite a reference, particularly when it is not just straight off my head.. I remembered last night that his South African company was also known as Bruply, and maybe it has been sold to Pgboard.
 * Cheers, Gregorydavid 08:03, 27 May 2006 (UTC)


 * Really? Do you know whether it was located where PG Bison is now, next to the sawmills? dewet|✉ 10:06, 27 May 2006 (UTC)


 * Yes, the sawmill just west of Distell and near Voëltjiesdorp is where the Stellenbosch factory was. There was another works at Parow on Voortrekker Road where large logs from overeseas were shaved into verneers for the manufacture of plywood. I found out this morning that Bruply Doors (Pty) Ltd is now called Steinhoff Doors and Building materials (Pty) Ltd reg 1972/004708/07 and that his chipboard interests were sold to PG Bison. The sawmills at Stellenbosch also produced laminated pine beams and chipboard. The timber was from local forests an also came in by rail..
 * Gregorydavid 10:21, 27 May 2006 (UTC)

Amazing. My dad used to operate a wood furniture factory just behind (what's now) PG Bison, and I had no idea that it had such a history... dewet|✉ 14:32, 27 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Maybe my dad knew your father and his business. I do remember that road going out to Devon Valley. My dad used to get reject doors and plywood from Bruynzeel Timber which were useful and economical for all sorts of projects..
 * Gregorydavid 14:43, 27 May 2006 (UTC)


 * (Sorry for re-indenting; its going all over the place! :) You might want to avoid the line break before your sig, since that resets the indenting.) I just checked with my dad;  indeed, he confirmed that Bruynzeel Timbers occupied the grounds of what is today Mondi Timbers and PG Bison.  He also said that Bruynzeel was fond of 'bending' pine wood (presumably using steam/heat), and even went to far as building an ornate entry for the trucks delivering logs to his timbers.  Small, small world.  dewet|✉ 15:14, 27 May 2006 (UTC)


 * No problem.. Yes, the laminated beams were purpose made from strips of timber that were glued together in the curved shape that was required by the client. Then you got the straight ones too. The Silviculture and Timber Science departments at Stellenbosch University also contributed to some of the research. Carl Borgine was the Norwegian scientist who worked on the research and his wife Sieve was a librarian at the University. Gregorydavid 15:54, 27 May 2006 (UTC)

Bush Telegraph
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Chain
Thanks for the encouragement on my chain reformat. It's good to know that someone appreciates my work.

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Bhisho/Bhiso/Bisho
Hi Gregory, please take a look at Talk:Bhiso where I have asked for citations about the name change. I could not find any reliable-looking evidence for the name Bhiso, although I have found some for the name Bhisho. Do you have anything to add on this? Thanks, Zaian 15:22, 8 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Hi, my PC is currently blocked from editing, so I shall reply here.. I realised that I had made a mistake shortly after reveiwing what I had done, but I thought I would let the dust settle before I go and fix all the relevant articles. In the meantime I have not had convenient access for a while. I do have a Government source for the new spelling which is Bhisho but I think I made the mistake because I was using a number of sources which all used different spellings..

Thanks Gregorydavid 08:03, 12 July 2006 (UTC)
 * I've moved the page from Bhiso to Bhisho. Regards, Zaian 07:32, 17 October 2006 (UTC)

isiZulu
Hey there :) I see you left a comment on the main page of the Zulu version of the site? Do you want to write a couple articles? I've just started browsing that wikipedia and am horrified! Most of the articles are just pictures (and very very Eurocentric ones) so I've tried to write a couple of sentences in each.. but Zulu is so damn hard! How's your Zulu? :) Joziboy 12:57, 22 July 2006 (UTC)

Tupperware
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Harington
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2006 Cape Town truck-train collision
Hi,

I was forced to undo your edit to the above article where you changed the number of fatalities from 27 to 20. This is because, while 20 may well be right, there is already a news source up that says 27. What was your source for this information? If it is a good source, we may have a tough call deciding which one is right. Blood red sandman 12:28, 19 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Hi,

Yes, I have added a source. The figure of 20 fatalities was announced sometime after the accident, but when the memorial service was held the figure of 19 was quoted on SABC. Gregorydavid 12:34, 19 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Thanks. Sometime within the next 24 hours I will use the reference to expand to include the confusion regarding casualties. Blood red sandman 12:38, 19 November 2006 (UTC)


 * Ignore that completly, you added the source as I was writing the above. Blood red sandman 12:29, 19 November 2006 (UTC)

Locus (mathematics)
Hello. You added a figure of an epitrochoid to Locus (mathematics) without explanation. Could you fix that? Perhaps changing the caption, or adding comment to the text to indicate why that figure is in the article. Thanks, Doctormatt 17:01, 15 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Yes, the epitrochoid is certainly an example of a locus. In fact perhaps that could be the caption: "An epitrochoid is an example of a locus.".  Cheers, Doctormatt 04:04, 16 May 2007 (UTC)

van Schalkwyk
Amazing how sensitive whites seem to be about labelling someone a supporter of apartheid. Yes he was the leader of the NNP. He was also chairman of the Afrikaans-only ASB, the Afrikaans-only Jeugkrag, the Ruiterwag (Broederbond youth brigade) and an apartheid military intelligence operative. All of this was before 1988, 2 years before the ANC was unbanned. Suidafrikaan 06:50, 28 May 2007 (UTC)
 * All the National Party voters were supporters of apartheid then, as well as those who voted Prog and thanked God for the Nationalists.Gregorydavid 06:58, 28 May 2007 (UTC)


 * NP voters - true. Prog voters - your POV. The difference being that these faceless voters do not have wikipedia pages. Those that do should be categorised as such if those opposed to apartheid are going to be classified as anti-apartheid activists. I am, however, going to add a category for contrite supporters - those who apologised in public (e.g. van Schalkwyk, Leon Wessels, Adriaan Vlok).Suidafrikaan 07:07, 28 May 2007 (UTC)
 * I agree there are those faceless supporters, then we need to check up on Marais who plugged into the Tri-cameral System while it represented some power, Lucas Mangope, Oupa Gqozo and Stella too. The Constituency System also made it difficult for non-supporters to un-seat the Nats. Gregorydavid 07:46, 28 May 2007 (UTC)

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Apartheid events
GD, you are a treasure trove of information on events associated with apartheid, if you can think of any others please add them. Suidafrikaan 07:11, 1 June 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for the welcome
I'm an irregular contributor to Wikipedia, thus this isn't my first account. Usually I don't use accounts, but yesterday I felt like creating a few articles thus I required that permission. I might have one or two more articles on the way in the next week or so time permitting. It is a very interesting subject and there really is a dearth of coverage of the hurdles the international anti-apartheid movement had to overcome. Often from our current vantage point, as you mentioned, we tend to think that it was all easy and filled with constant progress, but in reality, the movement had its fair number of failures and setbacks over its 3 decades of existence. --CGM1980 21:46, 4 June 2007 (UTC)
 * I could see from your edits and work tempo that you are familiar with Wikipedia and have probably used other accounts too.Gregorydavid 05:18, 5 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Consistent user accounts are overrated if you just want to contribute content and are not interested in becoming an admin or getting involved in the various political wars that are wasting people's time.
 * BTW I've suggested disinvestment from South Africa as a "Did you know?" entry: Template_talk:Did_you_know. Feel free to endorse if you think it is good enough.  I'm going to go back over it now looking for grammar and spelling issues.  It could also use a picture, but I don't know of any suitable ones.  --CGM1980 18:57, 5 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Heh. I understand.  I actually covered that in the "Effects" section, I wrote that interest rates jumped to 12 to 15% a year.  Do you actually have a picture though?  You didn't link to one.  --CGM1980 20:30, 5 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Got it! I've added it with a caption.  It is a great picture of South Africa's industry and I've used it as such while mentioning the high inflation.  --CGM1980 20:58, 5 June 2007 (UTC)

Thank you
Hello Gregorydavid. This is just a note to say thank you for creating the gallery on the William-Adolphe Bouguereau‎ page. The article was becoming overwhelmed by the number of pictures. I do have one request though. Would it be possible to move the small picture of his signature back to the section about the confusion over his name. It was being used to illustrate the point being made in that section and it looks kind of forlorn in the gallery with the other complete pictures of his works. I would take a stab at it but I don't want to make a mess of the work that you have already done. Thanks again for your work and cheers. MarnetteD | Talk 13:13, 7 June 2007 (UTC)

re: Helen Zille
Hey, no worries! Thanks for getting hold of those images, I've updated the image description pages on the Commons to reflect that we've received permission. Cheers, Riana (talk)  07:39, 24 June 2007 (UTC)

Rock fracture
Hi - I would be interested in more information about the image Image:Cracks at Sunrise-on-Sea, Eastern Cape.jpg you added to Rock fracture - rock type, local geology, etc. My first impression was that it must be a part of some masonry project - the combination of radial fracturing with what appears to be circular fracturing is most unusual. The large horizontal seam across the center which includes a slab that bisects and is not cut by the radial fracturing seems out of place. As I look closer, the presence of standing water in the central fracture/seam suggests a horizontal attitude for the image, is this from a wave cut terrace? Also, some indication of scale would help. I find the image most intriguing and would appreciate further geologic info. Thanks, Vsmith 13:31, 25 June 2007 (UTC)


 * @Vsmith
 * Hi, my apologies for responding only now. I seem to remember having read your reply before. Gregorydavid (talk) 18:48, 19 February 2023 (UTC)

Hey there
Yes, I do think we share a bit of a common interest in South African topics. You might want to consider joining WikiProject_South_Africa, which, although a little bit low on activity, does seem to be getting along. My recent spurt of editing has been caused somewhat by involvement in a particularly stressful policy debate: I decided to go back to editing the articles that give me greatest satisfaction as a cure. :) -Kieran 12:02, 2 July 2007 (UTC)

Kees Bruynzeel
In Holland you would indeed check for both Bruijnzeel en Bruinzeel, though I wouldn't know why he would change the spelling of his name in South Africa. Afasmit 20:59, 4 July 2007 (UTC)

John Harington, poet/inventor
This page was just 'John Harington' as there are several of the same name. I went for (inventor) after the name, but if you think (poet) would describe him better, please move the page. ThanksBoleyn (talk) 19:20, 22 June 2008 (UTC)

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Lewis (lifting appliance)
Hi there Gregory David, in the article Lewis there seems to be material that can also be found in the material on a Freemasons' document. As you presumably wrote this part, can you tell us (on its talk page) if you found the material there, or if it is the other way around? Greetings, --Satrughna (talk) 17:17, 18 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Hi Satrughna, I contributed to the first three sentences of the Lewis (lifting appliance) article as it currently reads. I also did some work on categorising masonary tools.Gregorydavid (talk) 11:43, 19 July 2009 (UTC)
 * I'll take a better look at the history then. Thanks for your comment. Greetings,--Satrughna (talk) 12:20, 19 July 2009 (UTC)

Move (rename) engineering vehicle to heavy equipment
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Hi, thank you for the advice. I will be actively attending to the issues raised. Gregorydavid (talk) 18:05, 18 July 2017 (UTC)

Unreferenced articles
Hi! You seem to have created a number of completely unreferenced articles on various bridges. What makes you think they are notable? Why not create a list of them instead, withsome proper sources, and then split them out if they become unduly large in relation to the whole list? I've redirected Injaka Dam Bridge for now. What next, lamp-posts? Justlettersandnumbers (talk) 18:00, 18 July 2017 (UTC)

Hi, I am working on all three of them simultaneously. They are already listed in list of Bridge Collapses which I have updated. Gregorydavid (talk) 18:04, 18 July 2017 (UTC)

You are rather hasty deleting Injaka Dam Bridge. Fourteen people died on the bridge during construction. Gregorydavid (talk) 09:56, 19 July 2017 (UTC) The title of the article was redirected 15 minutes after I created the article. Gregorydavid (talk) 17:51, 19 July 2017 (UTC)

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A kitten for you!
Thanks for working on the President's Keepers. Note that the page numbers are from the index inside the printed copy of the book.

Please see if you can find any government officials not yet listed.

Do you think we should also list all other names?

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 * Thank you Skvery, I have subsequently noticed the list refers to the index inside the printed version of the book Gregorydavid (talk) 15:21, 15 November 2017 (UTC)


 * Skvery There are former government officials and current Members of Parliament which have not been listed. Gregorydavid (talk) 15:26, 15 November 2017 (UTC)


 * Gregorydavid The list is for current current government officials paid by the state. Ex officials like Marius Fransman and Michael Peega are [hopefully] not part of government any more...  I am more interested in Ximba and others that I have missed or cannot find on websites.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Skvery (talk • contribs) 15:58, 15 November 2017 (UTC)


 * Skvery Eventually all government officials will become former government officials. Shouldn't the list indicate the positions held at the time of publishing? Former Minister of Finance Pravin Gordhan is still a Member of Parliament. Gregorydavid (talk) 16:08, 15 November 2017 (UTC)


 * Skvery Great work! Wish I could do more.Gregorydavid (talk) 07:10, 16 November 2017 (UTC)


 * Gregorydavid, I would rather include Richard Mdluli that is still suspended with full payment. (Ministers in and MPs not, as MPs are not appointed but selected officials?)  I agree that the publication date is applicable.

Skvery We need to increase the number of sections in the table, eg. prominent families Mazzotti, Gupta, Fraser and Zuma. Many former spies and agents.Gregorydavid (talk) 16:56, 15 November 2017 (UTC)
 * Gregorydavid Done. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Skvery (talk • contribs) 18:56, 15 November 2017 (UTC)


 * Leonard McCarthy is at the World Bank now. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Skvery (talk • contribs) 17:04, 16 November 2017 (UTC)


 * Mandisa Makweni is not quoted in the printed index of the book. Can you undo?  (You should really purchase a copy if you can afford it!) Skvery (talk) 20:22, 23 November 2017 (UTC)

ditto for two more... Skvery (talk) 20:25, 23 November 2017 (UTC)


 * Skvery We really need a section for names not indexed. Can't we also improve the infobox to show the other versions of the book? Gregorydavid (talk) 07:02, 24 November 2017 (UTC)


 * Skvery By the way, the name is Dr Mandisa Mokwena, and I don't recall making any edit containing "Mandisa Makweni" Gregorydavid (talk) 07:22, 24 November 2017 (UTC)


 * The pdf vesion of the book does not have an index but is searchable, therefore it is not required. Sz. *Mokwena.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Skvery (talk • contribs) 07:36, 24 November 2017 (UTC)


 * Skvery both PDF and printed versions of the book are searchable. What's the point of omitting names that have not been indexed? Gregorydavid (talk) 07:49, 24 November 2017 (UTC)


 * Skvery "Mandisa Mokwena 3 128 alleged SSA agent " comes up when I search on Wikipedia. Gregorydavid (talk) 08:07, 24 November 2017 (UTC)


 * The names are listed along with the number of hits in the pdf version of the book. The index refers to the first printed edition and if the name does not appear in the printed edition, it is marked -.  We are not omitting names that do not appear in the index. "Mandisa Mokwena" appears three times in the pdf version of the book but is not listed in the printed version index.  Suggest we mark it as 3 | -. Skvery (talk) 08:29, 24 November 2017 (UTC)


 * btw. found your Twitter feed to follow! Skvery (talk) 08:39, 25 November 2017 (UTC)

Discussion about missing values

 * Skvery Hopefully you find the feed useful. I was thinking about using an "*" instead of a "-" to refer to comments etc. Will stick to established understanding in the meantime. Gregorydavid (talk) 08:46, 25 November 2017 (UTC)

I researched the use of "*" (asteriks) and "-" (dash) and suggest that the best way to indicate missing words is "&mdash;&mdash;" entered as. See my edit at Other uses for dash.

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