User talk:HistoryofIran/Archive 10

About your manipulation in editing the text in the Dari language article
Are you an Iranian?! They are calling the Dari language, which is the old language of Iranians, in the name of Afghanistan, even the name Dari is from the Iranian dictionary, how can you be silent about this? Parmin khosravi (talk) 11:48, 28 December 2022 (UTC)
 * Hello. It's really not that deep. Dari is spoken in Afghanistan, not Iran. Thus it is native to that place. No one is denying the origins of Dari (which by the way, was originally spoken in Khorasan, where Afghanistan also is today), however the way you did it was not an improvement. Also, please be nice, I did not "manipulate" anything. --HistoryofIran (talk) 11:52, 28 December 2022 (UTC)

December 2022
 You have been blocked from editing for a period of 24 hours for edit warring, as you did at Hari (Afghanistan). Once the block has expired, you are welcome to make useful contributions. During a dispute, you should first try to discuss controversial changes and seek consensus. If that proves unsuccessful, you are encouraged to seek dispute resolution, and in some cases it may be appropriate to request page protection. If you think there are good reasons for being unblocked, please read the guide to appealing blocks, then add the following text below the block notice on your talk page:. UtherSRG (talk) 17:28, 29 December 2022 (UTC)

Even though you were technically correct, you participated in an edit war. I've blocked both of you for 24 hours. The correct thing to do would be to let it slide after one revert, and take it to the talk page, then elevate to either the WP:Teahouse or WP:AN or some other place where your actions wouldn't be contributing to a war. - UtherSRG (talk) 17:31, 29 December 2022 (UTC)
 * , I only did 2 reverts there, so I didn't even violate 3RR. And they were done to revert the obvious disruption (I guess WP:3RRNO applies?) and restore it to its original revision. I also did take it to the talk page, and WP:AN isn't needed for such a minor thing. And instead of blocking me from the article, you did it for all of Wikipedia? In other words, you gave me the exact same treatment as an actual disruptive user (that is User:هراتا). I will gladly admit my mistakes, but this is wrong. --HistoryofIran (talk) 17:33, 29 December 2022 (UTC)
 * Oh, it was 3 on Herat River, not the other one. Even so, I'm looking at the whole mess of both of those articles, and the associated spillover. Take this as a time to get a drink of water, walk around the block, and then fill out the unblock. I know you know better and expect you can fill it out properly, unlike your rival... - UtherSRG (talk) 17:37, 29 December 2022 (UTC)
 * That's still not a violation of WP:3RR. --HistoryofIran (talk) 17:40, 29 December 2022 (UTC)
 * Three reverts on Herat River isn't 3RR? Please explain. - UtherSRG (talk) 17:44, 29 December 2022 (UTC)
 * "An editor must not perform more than three reverts on a single page—whether involving the same or different material—within a 24-hour period." --HistoryofIran (talk) 17:47, 29 December 2022 (UTC)
 * And you performed 3 reverts on Herat River..... and even used "rv" in your edit summary. How did you not violate 3RR? UtherSRG (talk) 17:52, 29 December 2022 (UTC)
 * Because I did not make more than 3 reverts. 3 reverts is the limit. --HistoryofIran (talk) 17:53, 29 December 2022 (UTC)
 * Oh. Yeah, fair enough. (Sorry, been a long day.) You're right. 3 is allowed, though strongly frowned upon. I'll unblock. - UtherSRG (talk) 17:55, 29 December 2022 (UTC)
 * Thanks. Still, even if it was a violation of the WP:3RR, I don't see why that should result in a block (and from all articles a that), as I was countering obvious disruption. A lot of users have done similar, especially when an article(s) is targeted by socks/meatpuppets and/or a user/IP is on a rampage (WP:3RRNO comes once again to mind). One shouldn't get punished for helping (I know, this word is highly subjective and beaten to death in Wikipedia) the site. But I guess that's a discussion for another time. --HistoryofIran (talk) 18:02, 29 December 2022 (UTC)
 * Just noticed the unblock comment, which is quite disappointing to see. I did not "spiritually" violate the rule either. You were clearly in the wrong here, not me, and thus it's disappointing to see that you're trying to shift some of the blame on to me, especially since I've been calm and civil towards you. Full quote of what 3RR actually is; "An editor must not perform on a —whether involving the same or different material—within a . An edit or a series of consecutive edits that undoes or manually reverses other editors' actions—whether in whole or in part—counts as a revert. Violations of this rule often attract blocks of at least 24 hours. Fourth reverts just outside the 24-hour period will usually also be considered edit-warring, especially if repeated or combined with other edit-warring behavior." --HistoryofIran (talk) 18:18, 29 December 2022 (UTC)
 * Is there more to this block than HOI's edits at that one article? This does seem a bit unwarranted. It's rare to see editors blocked for two reverts, especially when the edits are admittedly "technically correct". In context, it's particularly strange to see, as you recently also reverted the same newcomer at Herat River twice (also technically correct, but not a 3RR exemption). Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 17:38, 29 December 2022 (UTC)
 * Lets get a review of this pls. Moxy -Maple Leaf (Pantone).svg 17:39, 29 December 2022 (UTC)
 * The history is best seen from the contribs of brand new User:هراتا, who I've also blocked. UtherSRG (talk) 17:59, 29 December 2022 (UTC)
 * At least six reverts across at least three pages, all very closely related. UtherSRG (talk) 17:57, 29 December 2022 (UTC)
 * UtherSRG, I thank you for the unblock. Hopefully we don't need to say anything more about this! Happy holidays. Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 18:00, 29 December 2022 (UTC)
 * Also, thanks to Firefangledfeathers and Moxy for their input, it was highly appreciated. --HistoryofIran (talk) 18:25, 29 December 2022 (UTC)

Will appreciate your views
at Talk:Magtymguly_Pyragy. TrangaBellam (talk) 12:25, 30 December 2022 (UTC)

Happy New Year, HistoryofIran!


Happy New Year! HistoryofIran, Have a prosperous, productive and enjoyable New Year, and thanks for your contributions to Wikipedia.

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 * Thank you and likewise, Packer&#38;Tracker 😁. --HistoryofIran (talk) 11:16, 31 December 2022 (UTC)

Notice of Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents discussion
There is currently a discussion at Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. The thread is Doubts about copyright of machine-translation. Thank you. RPI2026F1 (talk) 13:13, 30 December 2022 (UTC)


 * This is a closed topic. Just a note that since software function in its work (translation here) is governed by ownership or licensing, so in the OP's case of Google translate, Google as operative owner of Google translate will technically have a layer of copyright in its output (the translations) too; if you translate on a different site than mega Metro (Google), the programmers and the site owner and owner's rights may be different too, so who has the layer or if it is multiple layers of copyright may not be immediately obvious. All this while we have not yet technologically progressed to where the recipient (even behind the eyes of a photonic viewer of a text, be that you or a camera or scanner) will later be acknowledged as capturing a derivative version, not a pure copy of what was perceived (think how musical notes get played and then heard differently). . . but that higher detail and its scrutiny only arrive tomorrow, likely in many of our lifetimes. Wikimedia already deals with photos of paintings, but with word translations which are always choices of synonyms and different connotations, not just denotations, in contexts, what is understood as a meaning from one layer to the next, and also gets transmitted, shared, reinterpreted in conveyance to others, in future even more without change in media than passing a printout or a site page today, are going to be a more detailed question. Bear in mind, copyright is a relatively modern invention, and infamously China's modernization leaped from ignoring it as an issue bothering them from nations where it had status, while convenient for China, to its desire to now be a leader, not just an equal, in global principles so just as with environmental policy for our common future, and because copyright is wished for its own entities viz a viz the rest of the world, China's tune has drastically changed. In the old days which yesterday China used as its ethics, even having a long printing history, repetition of another author was a compliment. Around the world, before the idea of copyright, creators amd inventors who did not automatically reap rewards, or potential title to them, through copyright, was revered because what they did benefited everyone. Potentially right away. So human use of this concept evolves, and in the early 21st century we are merely at a midpoint it its development. Pandelver (talk) 18:07, 31 December 2022 (UTC)

Translation Copyrights
Happy New Year, HistoryOfIran! ~ Pandelver

Are you a cartographer, HistoryOfIran?
 * Hi Pandelver - thank you and likewise! Well I could you guess kinda say that? I have some map making experience, though it's not anything extraditionary, if I do say so myself. --HistoryofIran (talk) 01:26, 1 January 2023 (UTC)


 * Very good History, I will enjoy exploring your maps. I use Adobe's Photoshop and InDesign a good deal, though not for W. Maps are a medium where most viewers rarely appreciate how much long work - and delicacy - you put into creating them. But then, I have no doubt you are already used to audiences who don't see so much about where they're immersed themselves and I know for sure you appreciate long views of changing cultures which make the present, or any period, make far more sense. It strikes me as a good approach that you often take the trouble to pass GA status, as we are in a site which is both immensely powerful and historically ground breaking - for its readers' uses -- and where the دیوانه ways مردم frequently انتقاد کنید what they could لذت بردن in other flavors of آتش they greet is quite a ملیله کاری.
 * غیر ایرانی know Rumi first, who has benefited from translations. Aware of how much is lost when you translate out of the combined elegance and passion of Persian languages, Afrikaans, French, and Māori, what favorite poets of yours may I find in English translations you feel either capture their spirit or are good in their own right, and are any of them to be found online by now, Iran? Pandelver (talk) 06:55, 1 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Why thank you. Yes, map making sure does take time. Well, I'm not really into poetry, but I am trying to get into it. I unfortunately can't understand the Persian script either. I recently ordered The Divine Comedy by Dante Alighieri, which is translated by John Ciardi, whom I've heard very good stuff about. --HistoryofIran (talk) 21:14, 1 January 2023 (UTC)

Reaction of ISIS in Assassination of Qasem Soleimani
Sir every other reaction has been mentioned the section, the US, the UN, Iraq, even Russia and Noam Chomsky so doesn't it make sense to include a reaction from a group that was the subject's adversary. Its relevant to the section otherwise I would not bother. Izan Mehdi. (talk) 16:34, 2 January 2023 (UTC)

As an Iranian, tell me
Hello. This guy wants to pretend that only the 'bad guys' (ISIS terrorists and what not) celebrated when the other terrorist (Soleimani) was killed in a US strike. Apparently most regular Iranians were mourning for the guy responsible for killing them in the streets in the 2019 protests, but only terrorists were cheering. Is the IRGC beloved by the Iranian people? Do you think that paragraph is appropriate? Thanks and sorry for bothering you.--Duponiuex (talk) 16:27, 2 January 2023 (UTC)


 * My line in no way indicate that the IRCG is beloved by the Iranians. Where are you taking this?. The section does not deal with the normal people in Iran. It deals with relevant Countries, groups or organizations. Izan Mehdi. (talk) 16:41, 2 January 2023 (UTC)
 * No, the IRGC (and the IRI) are vehemently hated by the vast majority of Iranians. --HistoryofIran (talk) 22:54, 2 January 2023 (UTC)

Speedy deletion converted to PROD: Operation Nasr 4
Hello HistoryofIran. I am just letting you know that I have converted the speedy deletion tag that you placed on Operation Nasr 4 to a proposed deletion tag, because I do not believe CSD applies to the page in question. Thank you. BangJan1999 15:40, 3 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Fair enough, thanks! --HistoryofIran (talk) 15:49, 3 January 2023 (UTC)

Happy New Year, HistoryofIran!


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 * Hi Moops! Thank you and likewise 😁. --HistoryofIran (talk) 02:11, 4 January 2023 (UTC)

Terrorism, Drug Trafficking, and the Globalization of Supply.
The source deals with the similarity of Hezbollah and the Taliban in illicit drug trade to expand their respective malicious influence. It does not say that Hezbulla finances the Taliban. It's like saying that Iran and Israel fund each other. Again, Hezbollah is a Shia extremist group while Taliban is a Wahabi-Sunni extremist group. The line about Hezbulla funding the Taliban is incorrect and unencyclopedic. 39.41.145.115 (talk) 13:37, 6 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Hello. I have reverted myself. --HistoryofIran (talk) 13:52, 6 January 2023 (UTC)

Could you possibly have a look at this new article?
Hi HistoryofIran.

Please see Azure way museum. Your thoughts about this?

As always, good faith assumed.

Peter in Australia aka User:Shirt58 (talk) 🦘 13:37, 6 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Hi Shirt58. Unfortunately, I know nothing about this subject. The article could certainly use a major rewriting though, I can barely understand what it says. --HistoryofIran (talk) 13:53, 6 January 2023 (UTC)

Mahsa (Jina) Amini
Hi I see you've mentioned my latest contribution to the page on Mahsa Amini as 'unconstructive'. I'm confused on why you deem it as such, please do let me know why?

I'm well aware of the policies and guidelines and I don't see where I've overstepped them?

Thank you Academic10 (talk) 02:25, 8 January 2023 (UTC)
 * 1) You removed the Persian and Kurdish spelling that was in the note, instead adding the Kurdish spelling in the lede. 2) For some reason you added "Kurdistan province", and as a part of the Saqqez link too. 3) For some reason you added "Jina Amini" under native name, even though that place is reserved for the Persian transliteration (thus the "native" part) of her name, which you also removed. --HistoryofIran (talk) 02:29, 8 January 2023 (UTC)
 * 1) Which note are you referring too? I didn't remove either. On the title of the box I added the Persian spelling of the name - only for the Jina Amini name did I add a Kurdish spelling.
 * 2) Saqqez is in Kurdistan Province that is just a fact.
 * 3) Her native name is Jina Amini. There was a subtitle dedicated 'native name' and was filled with Mahsa Amini - If there's going to be such a subtitle then it might aswell be filled with her actual native name (hence why mahsa amini is in the title of the box and i added the persian transliteration to the title instead. And jina amini in the native name) Academic10 (talk) 02:36, 8 January 2023 (UTC)
 * 1) Click here, then Ctrl + F "Efn", that's the note in the lede that you removed. Also, I'm not sure why according to you her Persian name shouldn't be in the lede, even though she was from Iran.
 * 2) It's irrelevant, whats most significant is her city and country. Oh well, I cba arguing over something so trivial, feel free to re-add it, but link it properly please.
 * 3) Yeah no. This has been discussed to death. Take it to the talk page of the article, including everything else related to this. My talk page isn't the place. --HistoryofIran (talk) 02:43, 8 January 2023 (UTC)
 * 4) Read WP:RIGHTGREATWRONGS. --HistoryofIran (talk) 02:43, 8 January 2023 (UTC)

Tenth anniversary on Wikipedia!
Hi Chris Troutman. Time sure flies eh, thank you very much! --HistoryofIran (talk) 00:30, 9 January 2023 (UTC)

Invitation to join the Ten Year Society
Dear ,

I'd like to extend a cordial invitation to you to join the Ten Year Society, an informal group for editors who've been participating in the Wikipedia project for ten years or more. &#x200B;

Best regards, Chris Troutman  ( talk ) 00:11, 9 January 2023 (UTC)


 * This is neat, I'll gladly join! --HistoryofIran (talk) 00:30, 9 January 2023 (UTC)

Amendment request: Community ECR request closed and archived
The Arbitration Committee has closed and archived Amendment request: Community ECR request which you were a party to. You can view the archived request at. For the Arbitration Committee, Dreamy Jazz talk to me &#124; my contributions 13:16, 10 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Hello Dreamy Jazz, thanks for info! --HistoryofIran (talk) 15:05, 10 January 2023 (UTC)

ECR proposal is not progressing at Arbcom
Hello HistoryofIran. I happened to see an ARCA request that was filed last November, in reference to a a prior discussion at AN where you participated. The ARCA was requesting that WP:AA2 and WP:KURDS be enhanced to put edit-confirmed protection on all the associated articles. This would make those topic areas be under the same restrictions as WP:ARBPIA. The EC protection was your idea per AN, but the ARCA was by User:El C who employed great patience in navigating the bureaucracy. This request is not progressing. The chance that Arbcom will swing over to support seem low at present.

So I am wondering if you would be satisfied with a weaker restriction. Let us make it possible for any administrator to apply WP:ECP to any challenged articles in either of those domains, if necessary on talk pages as well. My impression is that this is already allowed under terms of the existing arbitration decisions. Admins can already apply indefinite ECP under DS authority and they just need to make entries in WP:DSLOG. This ECP can be challenged in the usual way if anyone disagrees. What would you think of this as a response to the recent disruption? Would it make the proposed blanket ECP less necessary? (As an aside I am aware there is frequent Turkey-related disruption for which no Arb remedy currently exists). Call this remedy 'manual ECP' since admins would need to apply the protection to articles individually. If you think this idea has promise, someone should put together a list of articles that should be protected. EdJohnston (talk) 05:14, 9 January 2023 (UTC)


 * my understanding is that a topic-wide ECR is now authorized (though certainly not fully enacted) by community consensus at AN. A failure of the ARCA means that the remedy will not be absorbed into the DS/CT regime, but it will presumably continue as a community imposed sanction. Is that not correct? Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 05:18, 9 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Sorry for not replying yet, I am still pondering on what to say here. --HistoryofIran (talk) 15:41, 9 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Well, it's closed now . Ngl, I don't quite get what is going to happen now. --HistoryofIran (talk) 15:05, 10 January 2023 (UTC)
 * By the wording of WP:ARBECR which this echoes, it means that everyone who edits AA2 or KURDS articles is restricted by the 500/30 rule, even if no special protection has been applied to the specific article. EdJohnston (talk) 02:17, 18 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Was just about to learn how this will be applied and come for some advice from @HistoryofIran. As to my understanding it means we initially assume good faith but if an issue arises, we can go to an Admin and request ECR protection? I suggest to ECP protect the People's Defense Units, where an IP wants the POV template at the top of the article seemingly for not having included that the EU, USA, Australia etc. classify the YPG as terrorist as you can see from this discussion downwards. They were invited to provide sources for its inclusion, but my patience has its limits. And the the word terrorist gets included every now and then anyway by some other IP... Paradise Chronicle (talk) 07:08, 18 January 2023 (UTC)

This is interesting

 * Pm - Orontid dynasty


 * T-f(their 21st edit) - Orontid dynasty

This overlap is intriguing.

Thoughts? --Kansas Bear (talk) 21:53, 18 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Interesting, though it could also be a coincidence, as a lot of similar edits were done a few years ago in these articles. This wouldn't be the first time either that Techno-Freaks edits has mirrored that of others, as we saw in the SPI back in November . --HistoryofIran (talk) 00:05, 19 January 2023 (UTC)

Tati language
Hello.

There is a false indication that the Tati language is a southwestern Iranian language, whereas actually it is a northwestern Iranian language. Even if you look at maps that show the areas where Tati speakers are approximately located, none of the areas are in southwestern Iran. In fact, they are mostly in the northwest of Iran and some Tati speakers currently exist in the Republic of Azerbaijan. Please consider changing "Southwestern Iranian language" to "Northwestern Iranian language". Thank you,  Unsung0044 (talk) 02:15, 31 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Living in northwestern Iran does not equal speaking a northwestern Iranian language. For example, Balochi is a northwestern language spoken in southeastern Iran. Sorry, but if WP:RS says that Tati is southwestern Iranian, then it is southwestern Iranian. --HistoryofIran (talk) 11:06, 31 January 2023 (UTC)

Esmail Qasemyar and "International Journal of Social Science and Humanities Research"
Hello! A big request to express your opinion in this discussion. I guess Esmail Qasemyar's article and this journal don't meet the requirements described in WP:RS. KoizumiBS (talk) 07:16, 2 February 2023 (UTC)
 * Hi. I will check it later, bests. --HistoryofIran (talk) 12:18, 2 February 2023 (UTC)

Tigranes The Great: Pompey and submission to Rome
Hello again. In a article about Tigranes II is a literally contradictory title saying Tigran was only "formal" ally and actually was client state of Rome (named in all sources ally, not client state), while Pontus is named everywhere directly client state. "He[Tigranes] was not a 'client of Rome' as it is sometimes averred. He had bought off Pompeius and was not in any sense a tribute-paying king." |The kingdom of Armenia, Chahin, M., 1912-| LexaneAlex (talk) 15:09, 5 February 2023 (UTC)
 * Please use the talk page of the article for this, and please provide more context. I havent touched the article that much and in some time, so I dunno/cant remember what youre specifically referring to. HistoryofIran (talk) 15:18, 5 February 2023 (UTC)
 * "In late 66 b.c., Pompey advanced toward Armenia. Realizing that it was pointless to resist, Tigranes met Pompey and placed the diadem (crown) at Pompey's feet as a sign of submission. Pompey replaced the crown on his head, thereby allowing Tigranes to reign by his own (and the Roman People's) permission." --Ancient Rome: A Military and Political History, Christopher S. Mackay, Cambridge University Press, page 138.
 * Definition:


 * Client-King -“Client kings” is the modern English term commonly used to describe monarchs who were bound to Rome in an asymmetrical relationship and/or unequal alliance and whose rule depended on Rome’s continued approval.
 * Sounds like a client-king to me. --Kansas Bear (talk) 18:15, 5 February 2023 (UTC)

Dear, Kansas Bear, I cited you words of a historian who was specified in Tigranes The Great and history of Armenia at all, and still then why is Pontus directly called client state while Armenia an ally LexaneAlex (talk) 18:57, 5 February 2023 (UTC)


 * Christopher S. Mackay, Department of History and Classics, published by Cambridge University Press. Either you can not or did not read the quote I posted. Your loss. --Kansas Bear (talk) 19:04, 5 February 2023 (UTC)


 * "Pompey was well aware that Tigranes would be of more value to Rome as ruler of his ancestral kingdom than as an exhibit would prevent either monarch from becoming a menace to Roman rule. Tigranes, therefore, was received into the camp, where, after making obesance he was informed of the terms imposed by the conqueror." --Rome Rule in Asia Minor, Volume 1, David Magie, Princeton University Press, page 357.
 * "Lucullus had often talked about his great days in the East. He claimed that his campaigns had so weakened Mithridates and Tigranes that Pompey with his much greater resources had little more to do than round them up. He was at least half right. Tigranes readily submitted to Pompey without a fight." --Roman Realities, Finley Hooper, Wayne State University Press, page 227.
 * "However, when Pompey arrived , the elder Tigranes submitted and was restored to his throne..." -- The Cambridge History of Iran, A.D.H. Bivar, volume 3, issue 1, Cambridge University Press, page 47. --Kansas Bear (talk) 19:23, 5 February 2023 (UTC)
 * Well, I guess we'll reach the WP:CONSENSUS here then. I have quite a few sources about Armenia, so it's fortunately pretty easy to find stuff; "Unable to save Artasat, and in order to prevent its sharing the fate of Tigranakert, Tigran II agreed to make his submission to Pompey from whose hands he received back the royal diadem, thus acknowledging the Roman protectorate over Armenia. The peace of 66 B.c. stripped Tigran of all his conquests in Syria, Phoenicia, Mesopotamia, Atropatene, Cilicia, Kommagene and even Sophene, reducing his realm to Greater Armenia proper. A formidable indemnity of 6,000 talents plus additional gifts to each of the Roman soldiers was required of Armenia, and the younger Tigran, to whom Sophene had first been offered but who continued to prove untrustworthy, was sent with his family to Rome to be displayed in Pompey’s triumph (Plutarch, “Pompey,” xxxiii, pp. 202/3-204/5). In spite of this, the situation was by no means desperate. Pompey proclaimed Tigran II a friend of the Roman people, thus halting any further attacks on the Armenian heartland, which remained untouched, and even returned to him considerable territories in Mesopotamia. Still bearing the title of King of Kings, acknowledged to him by Pompey, in spite of the objections of Parthia, Tigran II ruled peacefully for another decade before dying in extreme old age in 56 or 55 b.c." - page 59, The Armenian People From Ancient to Modern Times, Volume I: The Dynastic Periods: From Antiquity to the Fourteenth Century, Richard G. Hovannisian


 * I feel like Chahin often makes fringe claims. --HistoryofIran (talk) 19:47, 5 February 2023 (UTC)

Queens of Persia
Hi. First of all, thanks for correcting my mistake on the article about Kavad I. I was simply following what was appearing on the Persian page, which incidentally does not mention that Newandukht was a fictional figure. That needs to be corrected. On the other hand, I was wondering if you could take a look at list of queens of Persia. I have tried to expand it based on the available information and sources on hand, similar to list of monarchs of Persia. I think it would benefit from a review, and maybe you could correct some errors or add missing people. Cheers. Keivan.f Talk 21:50, 5 February 2023 (UTC)
 * Hello. Sorry, but I'm not sure what the goal of this article is. It says "This is a list of queens of Persia (queens regnant and queens consort) of the Iranic peoples, in present-day Iran, some of whom were known by the royal title Shahbanu." But then lists Parthians, Medes and other queens during when a time Iran/Persia was not the political/official name of the state? (well, technically Persia was never used). --HistoryofIran (talk) 00:22, 6 February 2023 (UTC)
 * I did not personally choose "Persia" to be included in the name, but it is clear to me that it is a reference to the geographic location or landscape. It's basically the same way list of monarchs of Persia has Parthians, Medes, and monarchs from other dynasties such as Rashiduns and Abbasids included. An alternative name for both pages could be considered through an RM or the opening sentences could be reworded, but content-wise I think they are fine because these people held power over what is present-day Iran. Keivan.f  Talk 04:11, 6 February 2023 (UTC)
 * I understand, but I am still not too fond of both articles tbh. Anyways, I'll add List of queens of Persia to my watchlist and see what I can later do. --HistoryofIran (talk) 11:15, 6 February 2023 (UTC)

Do you have any Social media i wanna talk about Urartu +Tigranes maps
Do you have any Social media i wanna talk about that maps ArturMusheghtyan (talk) 20:11, 7 February 2023 (UTC)
 * You can just write to me here. --HistoryofIran (talk) 20:17, 7 February 2023 (UTC)

Bro at First that Urartu map isnt fake but it was in a small moment of history but it was so i dont understand why do you deleting it. And second even wikipedia says that Tigranes realy controled Persia (watch list of wars involvoing Armenia Great parthian campagine) so i again dont understand why you deleted that map ArturMusheghtyan (talk) 20:24, 7 February 2023 (UTC)
 * If you believe you're so right, then surely you have WP:RS to back it up? Wikipedia can't be used as a source, which is fortunate, since the article List of wars involving Armenia is a WP:POV nest. --HistoryofIran (talk) 20:33, 7 February 2023 (UTC)

Could you be please check out my sandbox talk
Could you be please check out my sandbox talk. It is related to Sarduri II article expanding LexaneAlex (talk) 10:25, 10 February 2023 (UTC)

Zooming
Hi HistoryofIran: "zooming in just removes all the text." Can I ask what web browser you are using? I use Google Chrome, and zooming works fine... पाटलिपुत्र (Pataliputra)  (talk) 05:13, 17 February 2023 (UTC)
 * Hello. I also use Google Chrome. I guess I could have been more clear; By zooming I meant clicking on the image. --HistoryofIran (talk) 12:58, 17 February 2023 (UTC)
 * Ahhhh OK. How does this one work? पाटलिपुत्र  (Pataliputra)  (talk) 13:02, 17 February 2023 (UTC)
 * This is better. But sorry, why does the infobox need two maps? I really think it's overkill, especially since I don't think (respectfully) think this map brings more to the table. Why not have a more detailed version of instead? --HistoryofIran (talk) 13:04, 17 February 2023 (UTC)
 * Country infoboxes have been designed to have two maps ("map_image" and "map_image2"). One map can provide the global geopolitical context, the second one can focus on the detailed geography of the specific country with its cities etc... It is often difficult to get a sense of the actual expanse of a territory and its geopolitical situation without a broader contextual map... पाटलिपुत्र  (Pataliputra)  (talk) 13:13, 17 February 2023 (UTC)
 * Country infoboxes have been designed to have two maps ("map_image" and "map_image2").
 * Yes, but that doesn't mean that it should be used, which it very rarely is to start with it.
 * It is often difficult to get a sense of the actual expanse of a territory and its geopolitical situation without a broader contextual map...
 * I mostly agree with this, though it's ultimately a map of the described dynasty/kingdom/empire, thus I don't think that much focus should be put into its geopolitical situation, especially not by showing almost three continents. --HistoryofIran (talk) 14:00, 17 February 2023 (UTC)

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Hi, about asking your opinion and Sarduri II
Hello, dear Historyofiran. I don't know why you reverted my changes even not checking anything with some kind of negative notes. You mentioned that "even you admitted yourself that this is plagiarism". You could just check that I fully rewrote whole content of text. And I gave credit as well LexaneAlex (talk) 16:01, 20 February 2023 (UTC)
 * I see, you did try to alter it, my bad; I did actually look but I misread it somehow. Though it was still considered plagiarism here . --HistoryofIran (talk) 17:17, 20 February 2023 (UTC)

So can I revert it back or no? LexaneAlex (talk) 22:39, 21 February 2023 (UTC)
 * Not if it was considered plagiarism by an admin too. This for example, is more or less the same word for word just changed places a bit; "His conquest of the remainder of Commagene and Urartu's complete victory over Assyria in Mannai are proudly described in a second 500-line tablet." / "Another 500-line text describes with pride his conquest of the rest of Commagene and Urartu's complete triumph over Assyria in Mannai." See WP:PLAGIARISM for more info. --HistoryofIran (talk) 23:42, 21 February 2023 (UTC)

Latest Revert
I made a edit to "Religion in Armenia" which I edited the percentage because they weren't correct but you decided to revert them. I have now edited it back and please don't change it for I searched on sites and even calculated the numbers to get this result. Artasheshian (talk) 13:13, 22 February 2023 (UTC)
 * Not how it works. You need to cite reliable sources for this, you cant just alter already sourced information because you did your own supposed searches. --HistoryofIran (talk) 14:00, 22 February 2023 (UTC)

Category:Sasanian governors of Egypt has been nominated for merging
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GAN
Hi there, hope you're doing well. I have a request: would it be possible for you to do some reviews at GAN? At the moment, you have 59 GAs and a few more up for nomination, but you haven't done any reviews. This would also help with your placing in the queue, which has been reordered so that people with a higher ratio of reviewers to nominations are placed higher. AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 13:09, 2 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Hello AirshipJungleman29, thank you and likewise. Yeah, I guess it's finally about time I try to dip my feet in that realm. --HistoryofIran (talk) 15:00, 2 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Thanks for already getting started! I find that doing two or more reviews for every nomination is a good ratio. AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 17:08, 2 March 2023 (UTC)

Disruptor
I don't know who Patriotic afghan can be; I found no evidence of socking though it seems like a sock account. Drmies (talk) 23:02, 3 March 2023 (UTC)
 * I see. Well, at the rate they're going, they're gonna get themselves easily blocked anyways. --HistoryofIran (talk) 23:07, 3 March 2023 (UTC)

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Battle of Amritsar
Hey there! I just want to let you know that Hari Ram Gupta's the history of Sikhs is in fact a reliable source since it is written by an academic.Various scholars and historians have used his work in their own papers and books aswell.Also my apologies if i may have accidentally altered any previously cited information,most of the previously cited info prior to my revision is still on the page to my knowledge. Twarikh e Khalsa (talk) 00:35, 13 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Hello. Sorry, I may have been too hasty on what I did and said. I retracted my comment regarding the source. I won't say more till I have properly checked the changes, though I'm probably too lazy to do that. Bests. --HistoryofIran (talk) 00:36, 13 March 2023 (UTC)
 * don't worry brother it's fine.I will improve on the article and fix any mistakes that i have made.Take care Twarikh e Khalsa (talk) 03:20, 13 March 2023 (UTC)

علی‌نژاد
Hi

Please check my description of the edit for changing the surname to علی‌نژاد Shkuru Afshar (talk) 01:21, 14 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Hello. Sorry, I had a howler there, with the Persian name too. --HistoryofIran (talk) 01:24, 14 March 2023 (UTC)

Recent removal of edit
Hi, how is the edit I put about R.S Sharma on the Kamboja wiki plagiarism. I quoted her words but didn't pass them off as my own. Trigarta (talk) 00:05, 13 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Sorry, I didn't realize that was your intention. If you're gonna quote her (or someone else for that matter), you have to write the exact quote (not even slightly change it), and put it in quotation marks. --HistoryofIran (talk) 00:06, 13 March 2023 (UTC)
 * no problem Trigarta (talk) 00:15, 13 March 2023 (UTC)
 * How come the removal of this passage? It was well sourced and relates to the previous Assakenian section which is a crucial part of the history.
 * 'Acording to Arrian(IV.24.6–25, 4), the Aśvaka followed a scorched Earth policy and describes an event during Alexander the Greats invasion, Then crossing the mountains Alexander descended to a city called Arigaeum, and found that this had been set on fire by the inhabitants, who had afterwards fled. Quintus Curtius Rufus(VIII.10.23–9) vivdly describes the moment Alexander the Great was wounded in the calf by an Assacani arrow during a scouting operation of the city of Masaga. When the battle of Masaga commenced, the Assacani gained a reputation for their women fighting side by side with their husbands in what was a last stand for survival' Trigarta (talk) 13:38, 16 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Did you even read my edit summary? --HistoryofIran (talk) 13:40, 16 March 2023 (UTC)
 * your reasoning was in reference to Lamotte whereas the source in reference to Arrian and Q.Curtius was by Baij Nath Puri UNESCO and János Harmatta Trigarta (talk) 13:44, 16 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Lamotte does not treat it as a fact, he suggests it as a theory. The UNESCO source you used simply quotes Arrian and Q. Curtius, however, neither of those two historians actually mention the Kambojas, they mention the Assakenoi, who in the UNESCO source are ironically treated as a separate people from the Kambojas, i.e. the UNESCO source mentions both groups, but not as one group. In other words, you went on to treat a theory as a fact, and by using a source which don't even support the theory a that. Moreover, this theory is on the realm of WP:UNDUE, I could easily name various sources that do not consider the Kambojas to be the same as the Assakenoi. And no, a source doesn't have to directly say Assakenoi =/= Kambojas for it to mean that they don't consider that theory to be valid, that's not how books are written. If a book talks about the Kambojas, and don't mention the events of Alexander (or vice versa), then they obviously do not consider the Kambojas and Assakenoi to be the same. --HistoryofIran (talk) 13:49, 16 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Also filling an article with quotes because you don't want to rewrite the sentences is not an improvement. --HistoryofIran (talk) 13:51, 16 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Quoting Diodorus would be better since its a long quote (avoids clutter) Trigarta (talk) 13:53, 16 March 2023 (UTC)
 * I never claimed they were Kambojas in that edit, only Assakenian as its relevant to the previous section in reference to them Trigarta (talk) 13:51, 16 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Assumptions on what is not stated would be Verifiability which states 'Its content is determined by prev published info rather than editors beliefs, opinions or experiences' so simply stating they believe they're not same due to no mention would be going against Wikipedias rule Trigarta (talk) 13:57, 16 March 2023 (UTC)
 * It's not just Diodorus, you quote a lot of stuff, and when you do rewrite it, it's often different from the sourced material. You are contradicting yourself. If the Kambojas are not the Assakenoi then why is it relevant to have the whole history or at least a major part of their history in the Kambojas article? Also, I did not understand a word of your Verifiability comment. Anyhow, my points above still stand. Please cease this, read WP:CIR too. --HistoryofIran (talk) 13:58, 16 March 2023 (UTC)
 * You stated 'if a book talks about the Kambojas, and don't mention the events of Alexander (or vice versa), then they obviously do not consider the Kambojas and Assakenoi to be the same' which goes against wikiepedias rule on Verifiability which states that 'Its content is determined by prev published info rather than editors beliefs, opinions or experiences', so simply stating they believe Kambojas and Assakanoi are not same due to no mention would be going against Wikipedias rule.
 * Please add your opposite view point in Kambojas not being Assakenois and follow Neutral point of view which states that 'if a reliable source disagrees then maintain a Neutral point of view and present what the VARIOUS sources say giving EACH SIDE its due weight'. Simply removing them due to your own opinions, inferences and evidence is not allowed. Provide both sides.
 * Also I will rewrite them then. No issue Trigarta (talk) 14:08, 16 March 2023 (UTC)
 * That's not what Verifiability means... you are clearly misinterpretating. Want sources? Check the sources in the Bibliography. Zero mention of the Assakenoi being the Kambojas, zero mention of the Kambojas fighting Alexander. The most recent major source for the Kambojas doesn't mention it either . I think you should leave this article alone till you have learned of our guidelines and how to write articles, see how WP:GA articles are written for example. I feel like I have been more than enough patient, you aren't exactly a brand new user either, you have been heavily editing since January. If you continue this pattern, I will report you to WP:ANI for lack of WP:CIR and whatnot. Also, I assume the articles you have heavily edited (History of Punjab, Punjab, Yaudheya) have received the same treatment that Kambojas did, one might ought to check that. Those edits should probably be reverted too. --HistoryofIran (talk) 14:19, 16 March 2023 (UTC)
 * I ma sure I understand it well, as it describes it as it is, simply 'Its content is determined by prev published info rather than editors beliefs, opinions or experiences, in your case your belief that no mention = doesnt approve of theory/belief.
 * No problem, I will also be reporting you too Trigarta (talk) 14:23, 16 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Ironically you're the one using your personal opinion by treating a theory as a fact, and then using WP:RS which contradicts that opinion to support it. Feel free to report me (WP:OUCH). --HistoryofIran (talk) 14:25, 16 March 2023 (UTC)

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Tariqa page
Naqshabandis have dual silsilat. One through Abu Bakr and one through Ali. I’m unsure why you won’t let me add this fact to the wiki on Tariqa. Bartleby12 (talk) 12:05, 23 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Because you're altering sourced information. In Wikipedia we rely only WP:RS, not our personal opinions. See also WP:RIGHTGREATWRONGS. --HistoryofIran (talk) 12:13, 23 March 2023 (UTC)


 * can you read arabic? Here is a scan of the silsila of Naqshabandi Sheikh Mehmet Effendi in arabic will you let me fix it now?


 * https://ibb.co/PYQFM7v Bartleby12 (talk) 12:37, 23 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Sorry, but that's not how it works, a random picture isn't gonna suffice. Please see WP:RS. --HistoryofIran (talk) 12:43, 23 March 2023 (UTC)
 * From ‘Rashahat ayn al-hayat’ by Ali Safi Kashifi.
 * https://ibb.co/L6Q8N11
 * https://ibb.co/QvCNs2q
 * now may I please correct the article? Bartleby12 (talk) 14:31, 23 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Can you please read WP:RS and WP:VER? Where is the source even from? Who is Ali Safi Kashifi? --HistoryofIran (talk) 14:33, 23 March 2023 (UTC)

Shahrokh page
What you do in shahrokh afshar page it was wrong information Suleiman never rulled to until 1796 Iranist00001 (talk) 17:25, 23 March 2023 (UTC)
 * You added Shahrokh as his own predecessor twice, which made no sense. The article is based on scholarly sources, you cant just change that. --HistoryofIran (talk) 17:26, 23 March 2023 (UTC)
 * because its wrong
 * The first reigon exactly tell the time that shahrokh was ruled and not adel shah and for better understanding you can see it in his description
 * And again in secend reigon he was the ruler
 * And not suleiman
 * And even at 1796 shahrokh visited the agha mohammad khan qajar, Not suleiman
 * if you think it can make problem to article
 * Then tell me how we put instead of it
 * Maybe it better i prepare 3 reigon for article Iranist00001 (talk) 17:42, 23 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Sorry, but I don't understand what you're saying. I think you're misunderstanding what the infobox is trying to display, it's not saying that Shahrokh didnt rule in 1796. Either way, we follow what WP:RS says, not our personal opinions. --HistoryofIran (talk) 17:50, 23 March 2023 (UTC)
 * sorry are you persian? For better talking i say
 * Ok i make article in another way Iranist00001 (talk) 17:52, 23 March 2023 (UTC)
 * I am, but I cant read the Persian script. And can you please not change the article again without any WP:CONSENSUS? HistoryofIran (talk) 18:19, 23 March 2023 (UTC)
 * sure
 * I try my best Iranist00001 (talk) 18:29, 23 March 2023 (UTC)
 * oh man why??? That was true, that is shahrokh page and he ruled khorasan twice and soleiman II ruled betwin him
 * Why the predecessor is adel shah if even the adel wasn't before shahrokh and it was ebrahim afshar
 * Why 2 reign if there is 3? and how the hell Suleiman II ruled to 1796!!!
 * I think maybe you don't know about this Iranist00001 (talk) 20:08, 23 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Can you please read the article? Then all your questions will be answered. Your edits make no sense, you added that Shahrokh was his own predecessor thrice? --HistoryofIran (talk) 20:10, 23 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Oh relly sorry
 * I try my last chance hope you know what i wanna do, i'm not that person how distroy pages
 * These are my early edits and i'm amateur Iranist00001 (talk) 20:51, 23 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Please don't try that again. The infobox is good, it's based on the article itself, which is fully sourced. It doesn't need to be changed. --HistoryofIran (talk) 20:56, 23 March 2023 (UTC)

DYK for Rudaki
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A cup of tea for you!

 * Thank you! --HistoryofIran (talk) 11:48, 29 March 2023 (UTC)

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